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    Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

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    For those of you who DIY little simple parts here and there, you may seem to notice that people keep mentioning how the Coolant Temperature Sensor is a BE8atch to replace.

    I witnessed this firsthand today, so I have some simple tips to make the job go as smoothly and quickly as possible.

    1. remove the PCV valve (One time use clamp on the low pressure side attached to the hard-pipe)
    2. remove the breather hose that is attached to the crankcase breather bung and also attached to the high pressure side of the PCV valve. (Tension loaded hose clamp: reusable, although I just tossed a worm screw clamp on there instead)
    3. When the PCV is out of the way, there is an SAI valve that is block mounted onto the top of the engine. This is the major piece in the way. Some may wish to remove the whole valve to replace the CTS, but it is not necessary.

    BTW: the CTS is right under the SAI valve, and a little to the right. That is why it is almost impossible to see. I had to get the PCV out of the way before I even got a glimpse at the CTS.

    3A: here are some pics I borrowed from another thread for reference.



    That is the SAI Valve once you remove the Crankcase breather hose #2 above, and the PCV #1 above.

    There are two fittings on the SAI valve: 1" side, and a 5/32" side.

    The 5/32" side is the one that sits right above the CTS and is in the way.

    here is the key part: In order to create some more room to remove the CTS and replace it, I cut the 5/32" SAI hose at the end of the brass bung, then moved the hose out of the way.

    4. By this point, you should have a clear view of the CTS, sitting there in all its glory but causing you so much misery.

    5. Remove the C-clip with a flathead screwdriver, slip the CTS out of the reservoir, and a little bit of coolant will pour out. As long as the coolant reservoir cap is sealed tightly, coolant shouldn't spill out continuously.

    6. Put the new sensor in.
    7. Now you're stuck scratching your ass wondering how the hell you're going to put the C-Clip back into place.
    Consider: A) the clip engages with the open C facing the firewall.
    B) the engine block itself blocks your view
    C) There's no way in hell you can See what you're doing, AND fit your hand in there to shove the clip into retention.

    What' to do?!?!?!

    Here's a pic for reference.



    In Martini's picture above, the C clip is facing down. When you actually install the C Clip back into onto the coolant flange, its the opposite. The C Opens upward, and your hands are smashed up against the block trying to clip the CTS back in.

    YOu may have even dropped it a few times, and spent 10, 20, 30 minutes seraching for a bloody rage-enducing C Clip.

    here's what I did.
    I looped some masking tape onto the top of the C (in Martini's picture, where the arrow is pointing). The tape ran 10 inches or so. This way I could lower the clip down there engage the clip slot, then use the tape to pull the clip into place.

    SNAP!!! goes the clip, and you're done!!!!

    Many may think that there's no problem. Why use the tape trick? Well, when you get the C Clip lined up with the coolant flange in the correct slot (damn difficult already), it's nearly impossible to push the clip back into place. There is no space, and the C Clip is shoved up right against the block, so there's no room to wedge anything in there to push the clip into place. The angle is also way too steep.


    Some other notes:

    1. Small hands will not work. I don't care how small your hands are. Even if you are anemic and you are still eating baby food. Sorry, small hands are not the issue. The Engine block is in the way. The PCV is in the way. The Crankcase breather is in the way. The SAI vacuum line is in the way. The Bracket holding the wiring harness next to the crank case breather hose is in the way.

    2. Long fingers will work better, but still not suffice

    3. SAI Valve is a major pain

    4. Why Audi design a service part in that location escapes my reason and evades even my zealous imagination. Inside joke? Frivolous stealer prices? Only one man knows, and it sure as shooting aint me.

    Anyway, happy hunting.

    Keep modding away.

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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    Great write up!

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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    I'm not looking forward to doing this

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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    I dunno why this is so hard, it's a ~30 min job max if you do it the easy way
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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    Quote Originally Posted by jbrown7815 View Post
    I'm not looking forward to doing this
    why not? just be careful, I dont remove a single damn thing and get it done in 10 minutes
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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    Quote Originally Posted by AudiA4_20T View Post
    why not? just be careful, I dont remove a single damn thing and get it done in 10 minutes
    I have one sitting in my car at home needing install. Currently deployed so it's waiting for me to get home. I couldn't find it the time I looked for the sensor.


    What is the "easy" way?

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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    why put the c-clip back the way the factory had it? It will just make changing it next time that much harder. Just put the clip in with the opening facing the block. So next time you can just reach back and take it off without having to snake a long screwdriver down there and risk dropping it somewhere. Save yourself a headache. German engineers are great but they never have to work on the car they design.

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    anyone wanna change it for me, haha!!!
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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    Quote Originally Posted by tank8677 View Post
    anyone wanna change it for me, haha!!!
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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    I didn't remove any of that stuff and I have damn big hands... patience my friend!

    and I believe my C clip was in as pictured ... not reverse like yours... maybe that was a big difference as I was able to put the screwdriver straight down the firewall and pop it out. Did you try installling the clip as I pictured?
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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    Quote Originally Posted by jbrown7815 View Post
    I have one sitting in my car at home needing install. Currently deployed so it's waiting for me to get home. I couldn't find it the time I looked for the sensor.


    What is the "easy" way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackitorslamit View Post
    why put the c-clip back the way the factory had it? It will just make changing it next time that much harder. Just put the clip in with the opening facing the block. So next time you can just reach back and take it off without having to snake a long screwdriver down there and risk dropping it somewhere. Save yourself a headache. German engineers are great but they never have to work on the car they design.
    Here goes

    1. Unclip the top clip on the CTS and pull it away
    2. Peek around until you can see which way your clip is facing, mine had to be clicked out towards the block. Keep in mind, when you click it out the first click, it can come out
    3. Either drain the coolant or pull the cts and ram the new one in QUICK
    4. Make sure the CTS is ALL the way in so the clip can slide in the right
    5. When putting in the new clip, put it in with the opening facing the block
    6. Make sure it's in right and you can see that it has gone along the right grooves.
    7. Clip in your sensor
    8. enjoy
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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    Quote Originally Posted by martini View Post
    I didn't remove any of that stuff and I have damn big hands... patience my friend!

    and I believe my C clip was in as pictured ... not reverse like yours... maybe that was a big difference as I was able to put the screwdriver straight down the firewall and pop it out. Did you try installling the clip as I pictured?

    Yeah, that's what I thought too. No way in hell my hands would fit, and it didn't.

    I put the C Clip in the way that it came, opening toward the firewall. The way you pictured it (facing down), didn't work for me. Maybe I didn't try hard enough.

    Well, i'll wait for another 70K miles to replace it again. No biggie. I'll squeeze it in as you pictured it.
    I looked at the retaining flange, and it didn't look like it would have fit, but I'm glad I'm wrong, because designing it the way it is in the factory location is asinine.

    Thanks for your posts and website Martini. Very very helpful. I'm sure most on here will concur with me.

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    thank you, iwill do this soon
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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    You are all very welcome.

    I would follow Martini's advice, and put the C clip back facing down (as pictured on A4Mods.com).
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    I was going to do this one this weekend. Maybe I'll just wait till I'm close to Industry and swing by someone's house......
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    WOW.....My neck...my back........Holy crap..that thing is a biotch to replace...This better fix my problem...I dont want to pay and change my theromostat anytime soon..

    Thanks for the write up Z.

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    I just ordered a new CTS from ECS so it looks as if I will be doing this sometime this week! I cant stand the (O) flashing on my dash any longer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrwedtxboy31 View Post
    I just ordered a new CTS from ECS so it looks as if I will be doing this sometime this week! I cant stand the (O) flashing on my dash any longer!

    Good luck...its a biotch...

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    Hey guys, I have the running fan, with no CEL right now, is it safe to assume that its my CTS?
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    i changed me CTS and my fans are still turning on its pissing me off...i just got my car inspected and had them erase my cel but my cel has been on way b4 ny fans started spinning ...i callled 3 diff audis dealerships in my area..and they tell me to com in ..(blo me) and that the temp sensor has nothing to do with my fans and that its my Fan Cintroll Module witch runs about $300...and i dnt have a ross tech...but during my inspection 2day...he said he didnt see anything besides my injectors running rich...so idk what else to with these fcking fans....

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    its just been onething after anouther with this car....my 86 nissan z was more reliable that this fcking car...bout 2 pay some1 to steal it

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbrown7815 View Post
    I'm not looking forward to doing this
    dont worry... it literally takes 10 minutes top. I do this job in about 3 minutes if that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NjKreuzer27 View Post
    i changed me CTS and my fans are still turning on its pissing me off...i just got my car inspected and had them erase my cel but my cel has been on way b4 ny fans started spinning ...i callled 3 diff audis dealerships in my area..and they tell me to com in ..(blo me) and that the temp sensor has nothing to do with my fans and that its my Fan Cintroll Module witch runs about $300...and i dnt have a ross tech...but during my inspection 2day...he said he didnt see anything besides my injectors running rich...so idk what else to with these fcking fans....
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    Im thinking its a sensor, as now Im throwing a CEL and its getting cold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NjKreuzer27 View Post
    i changed me CTS and my fans are still turning on its pissing me off...i just got my car inspected and had them erase my cel but my cel has been on way b4 ny fans started spinning ...i callled 3 diff audis dealerships in my area..and they tell me to com in ..(blo me) and that the temp sensor has nothing to do with my fans and that its my Fan Cintroll Module witch runs about $300...and i dnt have a ross tech...but during my inspection 2day...he said he didnt see anything besides my injectors running rich...so idk what else to with these fcking fans....
    It could very well be your fan control module. Do it yourself for $180. Clicky click
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    my car doesnt over heat or anything it just doesnt idle at 2000 or whatever it is when u turn car on and and then lowers rpm after like 2min.......wouldnt it throw a code tho ...i just orderd the rosstech ...im just anoyed with this shit

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    just took out for a ride...and fans didnt com on...for the 1st time in months....idk if the prob is fixed...i hope so...i try again 2mo...i heard it would take like 5 or 6 starts...maybe alil more

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    Guys, I have steps 1-3 done, now Im at the Mongolian Task of putting the clip back on, as a matter of fact my car is sitting in the parking lot of my apartment with the sensor in, and unplugged waiting for me to figure out how to get the clip back on. Im wondering, should the sensor need a little pressure to get back in there or should it just sit? and do I need to push it down a little?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PETARDED View Post
    Guys, I have steps 1-3 done, now Im at the Mongolian Task of putting the clip back on, as a matter of fact my car is sitting in the parking lot of my apartment with the sensor in, and unplugged waiting for me to figure out how to get the clip back on. Im wondering, should the sensor need a little pressure to get back in there or should it just sit? and do I need to push it down a little?
    Push the new sensor(w/O-ring) down until it stops and slip the clip on perpendicular to the sensor and it will clip right in.

    its hard to explain, but make sure you are putting the clip in on the side with cut out for it, not the spot where the plastic would interfere.
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    Can you do this with the opening facing the Firewall or the block? Mine had the opening facing the firewall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PETARDED View Post
    Can you do this with the opening facing the Firewall or the block? Mine had the opening facing the firewall.
    either way. i did mine with the round part of the U facing the block.
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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    Others have posted clipping it back the opposite way you described, with the round part of the U facing the firewall and the open part of the U facing the block.

    This is much much easier to do.



    Posted below, EXACTLY as Martini has it pictured. That's the easiest way for it to go in.



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    Quote Originally Posted by A4natomical View Post
    either way. i did mine with the round part of the U facing the block.
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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    Can someone do it for me My temp gauge is erratic and I just ordered CTS and I hope fix the problem.

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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    This was so much easier to replace on my old B5. It's amazing what pain such a little part can create.

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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    when you do this, make sure you have a new oring and clip just in case... my sensor did not come w/ a new oring and the old one kept slipping off the sensor everytime i tried to put it back in. new oring will stay on the sensor.. and when i put the new oring and sensor back into the hole, it wasnt seated all the way and i didnt kno that so when i put the clip back on, it snapped in half... these are dealer items.. and for the pair of them, it's less than $2.. i had a pic on here.. let me show you what i mean.. i didnt take anything off the car, i used a mirror to see everything i was doing...

    yes, i kno, my mspaint skills are phenominal... anywho, if you can use a mirror, it will help you see if you have the sensor seated or not... i did a write up on this minus the pics... if this helps any bit...

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    well, it's a PITA!!! if you have an angled telescopic mirror (or a cd will work find too) and take off u'r engine cover... i found that if you take off u'r intake box you can reach around the pass side of the engine and reach around the back side for better access... the neon green color will be easy to see with a mirror. i used a very small pair of pliers and reached around and pulled the clip off with the pliers.. once the clip is off, you can wiggle the sensor and it will come out along w/ about a half a gallon of coolant (SOB).. putting the new one back in, no suprise, is also a pain in the ass. make sure you have a new oring or it will fall off the sensor and make you angry for a few hours.. make sure the sensor is pushed in all the way and use u'r mirror to make sure by looking at the grooves the clip goes into.. i'll draw a pic for ya... (INSERT PIC FROM UP ABOVE)

    again you have to use u'r mirror to make sure it's down far enough.. you will be able to see the copper part of the sensor in the grooves if it's not pressed down far enough... once it's in, this is the hard part.. getting u'r hands on the clip and lining it up and pushing it on.. this took me like 20 min to do. make sure you get another clip.. it was $.57 from my dealer and it's worth it to have an extra one just in case. and it will be a bitch to have your hands back there along w/ a mirror to line up the clip w/ the holes but once you hear that click that the clip is in, u'll feel much better... then just connect the wiring harness and u'r good to go. it didnt fix it right away but it did make the fans stop running full steam after about 2-3 key cycles. i hope this helps
    <--------yes, i used my audi to drag my deer out of the woods. it was heavy, i was cold, car had heat, much less work, and frankly, it was far. the deer was big, i am not, just seemed like the right thing to do. if it werent for the apr2+ i may not have been able to pull that monstrosity out of the woods w/out a helicoptor. i cant afford a helicoptor, i have a hard enough time affording my audi. all this being said, yes. that is an apr2+ awd audi pulling a deer out of the woods.

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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    hmm. i just picked up my sensor yesterday. i guess ALOT more people in the same situation.
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    Re: Here are some tips for Coolant Temperature Sensor REPLACEMENT

    Is anyone know if plastic clip retainer for audi a4 2003 same as VW, from the picture I seen, it looks the same. I just want second opinions. Thanks

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    Yep, they are all the same clips. Pretty much all modern Audi/VW cars use this same sensor, o-ring, and horseshoe clip. On the A4's it seems they have made it harder and harder to change over the years. Adding more and more crap right on top of it (SAI, PCV, etc). 99 and earlier 1.8T's is in the same location, but it's a piece of cake.

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    This thread (and a couple of others) really helped me with my ECT replacement. I want to contribute a tip that solved an issue I had, that I haven't really seen much discussion of. The issue of trying to put some pressure on the ECT to compress the O-ring a bit while simultaneously sliding in the U clip. To me that was like jumping rope and juggling at the same time. I don't how others were able to do this. I took about 4 tries before I came up with my idea, and each time I had a coolant leak, because the sensor was not held deep enough into the hole to hold in place with the clip.

    So, my idea was to slide a socket with enough size (about 5/8in?) to fit over the top of the sensor (obviously without the electrical connector attached) after placing it in the hole. Then I slid in a long extension bar into my socket and finally, connected my ratchet. I instructed my assistant to press down slightly but firmly on the knuckle of the ratchet while I slipped in the U clip. Finally, I had a leak free installation!

    Hope this helps someone on this ridiculously difficult simple sensor replacement!

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    Just completed this today without removing anything, thanks to the tips given here.

    It took me about 25 minutes, all the tips here apply without necessarily having to remove the extra parts. The best tip is placing the clip the opposite direction, saved me a lot of time.

    Thanks again!

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