differences in "fender rolling" and "fender pulling"

[Mr.Audi]

anyone that has any exp. in either please comment with any and all info.

i would like to know which or if either will help with rubbing iam exp with my 9.5in rear tires.

what are the differences between them?

thanks in advance!

jesse

[plokm]

you have to pull the rear fender because the b7 have nothing to roll. pulling it involves you knocking the fender outward while the rolling it involves you just rolling the ends of the fenders.

[06B7audiA4]

you have to pull the rear fender because the b7 have nothing to roll. pulling it involves you knocking the fender outward while the rolling it involves you just rolling the ends of the fenders.

Well I got all my fenders rolled and pulled, including the bck.

[craymond5]

rolling also does not include paint work unless you mess up and crack the paint while pulling involves having to repaint the fenders after they have been heated to work the metal. Agressive pulls called a full pull also need the bumpers flared to match the fenders, rolling costs about 250-300 pulling gonna cost you a couple grand full pull about 3k

[06B7audiA4]

rolling also does not include paint work unless you mess up and crack the paint while pulling involves having to repaint the fenders after they have been heated to work the metal. Agressive pulls called a full pull also need the bumpers flared to match the fenders, rolling costs about 250-300 pulling gonna cost you a couple grand full pull about 3k

Im glad I paid 75$ to get all 4 fenders pulled and rolled...the guy did great work, and tools were top quality...no paint needed

[craymond5]

Who pulled your fenders for 75$ that's a great deal to roll them but pull too wow! By tools do you mean the fender rolling tool that bolts to the hub? It must have been an etremely mild pull if no paint work was necessary, how wide did he pull them?

[06B7audiA4]

Who pulled your fenders for 75$ that's a great deal to roll them but pull too wow! By tools do you mean the fender rolling tool that bolts to the hub? It must have been an etremely mild pull if no paint work was necessary, how wide did he pull them?

Enough that when I had my 18s that were completely flush before, I could now run a nice size spacer to push them bk out..

I run 19x8.5 Wheels and its a very good pull to fit..Obviously the person that pulled them couldnt help you out, they are in South Jerz around here.

Yes the tools used were the ones you describe...No paint was needed..Nobody would even know unless your into cars.. the pull is perfect, no need to go any bigger..

[eskimopunk]

rolling also does not include paint work unless you mess up and crack the paint while pulling involves having to repaint the fenders after they have been heated to work the metal. Agressive pulls called a full pull also need the bumpers flared to match the fenders, rolling costs about 250-300 pulling gonna cost you a couple grand full pull about 3k

dude fender rollers cost about $300 to buy, if someone is charging close to that to do it then it's a complete rip off. I was lucky to have a friend help me out with his own for free

[elwigglero]

Could always get a baseball bat and a jack... I've seen some come out pretty well, but I'd personally never, ever, ever try it.

[craymond5]

Yeah the tool costs 300 to buy but not the expertise, I gave seen some horrible fender rolling when the tool has been used when they didn't know what they were doing. I'm not saying I would pay that much but I have talked to shops that charge that but they are responsible if the paint on the fender lip cracks, a lot of liability there. I'll drive to south jersey if you can hook me up with him, only about 3 hour drive. I was going to do a full pull but I am leaning against it now.

[Mr.Audi]

so rolling is not an option on our cars?? can someone confirm that for me, or have a way that i will be able to determine if it can be done?

also i would like to know more about pulling the fenders? does anyone know or have first hand exp. with this? Can anyone point me in the direction of someone that can take car of it for me???

[eskimopunk]

Yeah the tool costs 300 to buy but not the expertise, I gave seen some horrible fender rolling when the tool has been used when they didn't know what they were doing. I'm not saying I would pay that much but I have talked to shops that charge that but they are responsible if the paint on the fender lip cracks, a lot of liability there. I'll drive to south jersey if you can hook me up with him, only about 3 hour drive. I was going to do a full pull but I am leaning against it now.

there is NO expertise in rolling a fender. All you have to do is use a hair dryer to heat up the fender and attach the roller then roll it smoothly and make sure to keep the fender warm. There's almost no visual difference, but when you drive and don't rub around every corner and on every little bump (which i was) then you know it worked. ITS NOT HARD AND CAN BE DONE TO THE FRONT FENDERS ON OUR CARS. Idk about the rear cos i didn't need to do them. All this "You can't roll the fenders" is BULLSHIT

[eskimopunk]

and i'll try and find an example of a pulled fender... there's a b5 s4 with them that i saw pics of yesterday so i'll try find them again lol

[Quattro]

aren't they essentially the same concepts? when you roll, you sometimes pull..when you pull you roll? I find these words to be synonymous with each other.

I know that you cant really roll the rear fenders too much, because there is not much there!

[06B7audiA4]

dude fender rollers cost about $300 to buy, if someone is charging close to that to do it then it's a complete rip off. I was lucky to have a friend help me out with his own for free

ur totally off on that one...Obviously when there is 1 fender roller in like all of jerz that is recommended by others...75$ is nothing...helping is one thing, but its also a business...Ive given money to friends for helping me before and I dont feel its a big deal.

[Mr.Audi]

still really dont have any idea as to what my benefits to either would be... would one be better or are there certain situations you would use one and not the other...

i need help! lol....

[Quattro]

end result is the same, to help prevent rubbing or run wider tires and not rub!

[craymond5]

there is NO expertise in rolling a fender. All you have to do is use a hair dryer to heat up the fender and attach the roller then roll it smoothly and make sure to keep the fender warm. There's almost no visual difference, but when you drive and don't rub around every corner and on every little bump (which i was) then you know it worked. ITS NOT HARD AND CAN BE DONE TO THE FRONT FENDERS ON OUR CARS. Idk about the rear cos i didn't need to do them. All this "You can't roll the fenders" is BULLSHIT

Next time your at a car show say h2o pay attention to how many cars have cracked fender paint and come back and tell me any noob can do it. Yes yup use a hair dryer to heat the paint but get it too hot and you will mess up the paint and if you try to roll them to much you crack the paint. Pulling and rolling is not the same thing. I will post some pictures with pulled fenders, pulling is more agressive and there is a noticeable difference in fender width so you can run wider wheels. Think of true pulling as a mild metal widebody without extra metal welded in. Think of rolling as just folding in the inner fender lip. To answer your question rolling is usually sufficient when you are just barely rubbing, pulling is for when you want to run an agressive wheel fitment that needs a good amount more space say an inch or two.

[Mr.Audi]

^^^^^ you beat me too it!!!! lol

end result is the same, to help prevent rubbing or run wider tires and not rub!

iam with that.. stop the rubbing. I dont grasp the difference between them.

to me it sounds like "pulling" would actually make the car wider, in some minute way. Where as "rolling" them is just taking the inner lip and bending it into the fender or quarter panel.

i just have no idea what would be best for my situation... and obviously neither does anyone eles.... lmao

[craymond5]

I'm in Baltimore too we could meet up and I can take a look at your wheel fitment to see how much you're rubbing and give you my opinion.

[Mr.Audi]

thats whats up!!!

aight pm sent.

[craymond5]

end result is the same, to help prevent rubbing or run wider tires and not rub!

End result is the same for function, but appearance is drastically different. Here are pics of pulled fenders, you can't even notice the difference with rolled fenders visually most of the time.


notice the body work needed to "pull" fenders not just roll

[eskimopunk]

exactly what was needed - those are better pulled fenders than i've ever seen - cleannnn

[06B7audiA4]

^ exactly, those re pretty pulled and rolled fenders i feel...nice jobs too..

[TDI]

on my ex B6 they where rolled

[Jared@EACTuning]

Nice pics!!!

Fender rolling usually just rolls the sharp lip back into a nice folded edge.

Pulling is actually stretching the fender outward.

[craymond5]

bent metal customs does good work

[jimmya4]

does anyone have an example of this on a b7...

[craymond5]

I don't think anyone has done anything as aggressive as those on a b7 yet, but I'm working on it. I'll let you know if I definitely go through with it and will post pics. If anyone has done an agressive pull please post some profile pictures of the fenders.

[benficabryan92]

Enough that when I had my 18s that were completely flush before, I could now run a nice size spacer to push them bk out..

I run 19x8.5 Wheels and its a very good pull to fit..Obviously the person that pulled them couldnt help you out, they are in South Jerz around here.

Yes the tools used were the ones you describe...No paint was needed..Nobody would even know unless your into cars.. the pull is perfect, no need to go any bigger..

Where in south jersey did you them pulled and rolled? I'm trying to run 10s in the rear. :-)

[Operator]

With his last logon being 2 months ago, and last post in April, you might try pm'ing him.......

[jerseybrian]

Where in south jersey did you them pulled and rolled? I'm trying to run 10s in the rear. :-)

lemme know if you ever find out! :D

[jerseybrian]

I found the guy from S. Jerz... his name is Leon

[Paulito]

i have done both.

i pulled my fenders on my mk3, hammer dolley, alot of time, test fit after test fit, some filler, seam sealed and painted... to get my rs's snug.

I roll fenders, east wood roller... i did this to my b7 and evo and to my mk3 before i pulled them. I also only charged 60 to do the front and if it were all 4 corners i would do 150 because he rears are a pain in the ass.

You can also flare... this is where you use the roller to do just that... push the fender outwards, essentially like a pulled fender but retaining the line... i would do this for friends because its such a pain in the ass and takes a while to get it perfect and smooth.

I miss doing bodywork :(... Now i just play with numbers

[mr shickadance]

What ecs said is right

A "roll" is when you fold the centimeter of edge against the fender

A pull is when you stretch the fender and is much more complicated

You can not roll the rears.... Simply put there is no edge to fold against the fender

Anyone who says they rolled the rears is either misusing the term or is lieing

If u paid to have.the rears rolled....get ur money back


Fender rolling is a simple thing to do you need a roller, a laser thermometer, and a friend, keep the paint between 95-100 F and you will reduce the paint cracking chance

Sent from a galaxy far far away

[Paulito]

Stretch isnt a good term when it comes to body work... stretching is over worked metal. Pulling is a dramatic flare where bodywork is involved.

you can "roll" the rears but its technically a flare where you keep the body line... you will see the distortion visually.

Rolling isnt that complicated... heat gun, roller, hand... i dont see the need for 2 people and a laser heat pointer...

[VMRWheels]

The key with fender rolling and pulling is to go to a reputable shop. Inexperience is the last thing you want when going this route.

[mr shickadance]

Stretch isnt a good term when it comes to body work... stretching is over worked metal. Pulling is a dramatic flare where bodywork is involved.

you can "roll" the rears but its technically a flare where you keep the body line... you will see the distortion visually.

Rolling isnt that complicated... heat gun, roller, hand... i dont see the need for 2 people and a laser heat pointer...

the laser heat pointer, is a laser thermometer......its more for keeping the surface at a desired heat.....again im not sure the ideal temp, but i think it ranges between 90-110 degrees, but you have a friend hold a hair dryer, or heat gun, and the laser thermometer and yourself doing the pulling...you don'[t NEED a friend, but it certainly will make things easier.....try and find a buddy who wants to do it as much as you do, that way you can split the cost of renting a roller, and you can help each other out


pulling on the other hand is 100% to be done by a professional....you can really mess things up and one of the hardest things to do, is make a pull look even....especially with our cars considering the bumper is integrated into the fender, you need to be able to blend that in.....on different cars, sometimes its just the fender, but one ours, we have metal to pull, and plastic in the bumper that needs work


rolling is something that really anyone who can follow a simple diy like a FMIC could do.....but pulling is truly an artform that can be difficult even for a seasoned bodywork person

[Paulito]

nah i feel ya dude, i have to post some pics of my work... i kept it as a hobby so i dont hate it later on.

[Blu Ma Load]

I found the guy from S. Jerz... his name is Leon

Does the Leon dude have a shop or Business? bc im looking for someone legit to pull and possibly roll my fenders. if you could help i would appreciate it.