oil around cap and all over engine cover!!

[ItsThat2.0T]

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Ahh crap.

Well I searched a bit but I'm on my phone so it was a bit difficult.

As the title says: my oil light has been coming on every 2k miles and today I saw a ton of oil around the cap and on the engine cover.

I've read this before but I can't remember what its linked to.

TIA

[A4CE1]

usually oil all over the engine means your PCV failed. unless its something simpler like a bad seal on the oil cap.

[Sanjman]

you have 2 things messed up... first... top off your oil. second... get your pcv replaced... seems like you are changing your oil ever 10k and driving your car hard.

[ItsThat2.0T]

I don't drive hard at all. I think I've only floored it maybe 5 times in 20kmiles that it has.

Will the PCV be changed under warranty? I'm chipped too so I hope its not a problem.

Oh, ii didn't put any oil in it but the light went off. I just cleaned the cap with a rag. Hm

[eskimopunk]

pcv is a warranty thing im pretty sure there is a revised part. i got mine done not too long ago with the same problem now its all fixed

[HPW]

My PCV was fixed under warranty at 33k or so. There is a TSB for it. Chip shouldn't be an issue. Get it done soon - the oil out of my PCV caused a coilpack to fail on my car as well.

[Sanjman]

regardless... i'm pretty sure its 2 separate issues... our cars consume crazy oil when breaking in and even after... and the oil outside is related to PCV... PCV is the reason why some oil has been leaked i guess might have to do with your low oil light, i would still immediately drop some oil in ASAP...

[redhott06]

usually oil all over the engine means your PCV failed. unless its something simpler like a bad seal on the oil cap.

look at you charlie..

pcv/valve cover gasket. replace both via warranty

[Chb04]

I've been having same issue bought car Pre-owned and have been through 3qrts of oil and have oil all over the top of motor. When I needed the first quart I called dealer and they said normal but 3 qrts in 10,000 mile doesn't sound proper. Goes in Mn. for 45000 mile tune up so I will see what they say and post info.

[snackbarber]

PCV can be a recall part. I just made my first service appointment and the dealer said that there are recalls for my car for: PCV, fuel pressure regulator, and flash ECU to newer version.

[04Ultrasprt]

yea, its the PCV. HID had a nice write up on doing it yourself, you can even just clean it out for a temp fix if you cant get to the dealer right away.

[Mike@PureMS]

Just had my second one fail. Same problem, oil all over the cap and engine cover. Covered under warranty.

[Alecd90]

not to thread jack but i tend to find some oil around my engine cover and cap every now and then ...how much oil are we looking at for a pcv failure??

[krkspds]

Hey everyone,

This is my first Audi. I bought a pre-owned 05.5 with 30k mi. I have put roughly 3k on it, and it hasn't consumed any oil. Sanjman's comment concerns me, if my car isn't consuming oil should I be worried?

[Sanjman]

Hey everyone,

This is my first Audi. I bought a pre-owned 05.5 with 30k mi. I have put roughly 3k on it, and it hasn't consumed any oil. Sanjman's comment concerns me, if my car isn't consuming oil should I be worried?

Yeah I was exaggerating a little up there... you already have 30k on it... it should be broken in by now so thats why you don't notice your car consuming oil. Plus every acts differently in terms of how much oil actually gets consumed... I think majority of the people here change their oils around ever 5K miles just so our cars has fresh oil at all times... especially when chipped, driving hard, etc., as we all love to do.

[Chb04]

Well had the 45k service today and low and behold I had a cracked breather valve pin which was causing the oil spew all over. They replaced the pressure regulator valve, gasket, cleaned engine ,and all was under warranty because there is a TSB on it. So if you have the same issue of oil go to dealer and have them fix!

[ItsThat2.0T]

Update in first post!

[skeefer]

Does anyone have the TSB # for this issue? My car is currently at the dealer and they are completely clueless ("never saw this issue before"). I brought it in with 45K miles and oil all over the top of the engine and underneath the plastic cover. After asking me if someone had spilled oil on it (um...no) they apparently are in the process of adding dye to detect where the leak is, because they couldn't duplicate it by letting the engine idle for an hour.

[kuwaiti]

Someone told me that it doesn't matter how many newer version of the PCV they come up with, it's just going to fail eventually. Sort of a design defect that could not be sorted out. I got mine modded, check it out.




Suppose to take care of the oil leaks and spills around the PCV area, and restore a little of the boost. sigh! still notice some oil stains though

[ItsThat2.0T]

I'm sitting in Inskip Audi right now waiting for my 25k service to be complete; I also had them check out the oil issues...

The tech says there is a two part test to see if I am "using" too much oil (which has already been proven):

1- Drive until the oil light comes on and then call right away
2- Drive another 650 to see exactly how much oil its burning.

They said it most likely needs new rings but they cannot do that until this two step test.

Inskip is a really great place, don't get me wrong, but what the EF!! I don't want to keep driving with this shit wrong, fix my car!!!!

[ItsThat2.0T]

Fuck?

The tech just came over and said I'm pushing 20lbs of boost which they saw in the test drive. He asked if I was chipped and I said no haha. He just looked at me until I confessed...the rings aren't covered because of that.

Any suggestions guys??

Looks like I'm not buying this car out after lease.....

[Grishbok]

you can live with it or replace the rings yourself. Great way to learn your way around the engine yknow? If your replacing the rings yourself, you could go with some forged pistons and rods with the money your saving in labor cost.

[Bmeister]

The tech says there is a two part test to see if I am "using" too much oil (which has already been proven):

1- Drive until the oil light comes on and then call right away
2- Drive another 650 to see exactly how much oil its burning.

They said it most likely needs new rings but they cannot do that until this two step test.

Did they do a cylinder compression leak-down test? What were the results and what are the pressures between cylinders? It would be amazing to me that you need rings (i.e. oil control rings) if the compression rings were not also compromised. The dealer may be reaching at straws and looking for a nice fat arguably useless repair in which to make some $$$ off Audi. Are you BURNING oil or just losing it? How sooty are your tailpipes? Do you have significant or measurable amounts of blue exhaust smoke? Good luck.

[Jedidiah]

my dealer had to look up the TSB by VIN. but my car wasn't in the list. So they looked up the 2.0 FSI and were able to find the issue.

[B5A4Kevin]

actually, the 07 models only, came with a different piston design, and thus different rings. i believe (but may be wrong, they dont tell us these things) that its due to improper ring gap size and not due to an inferior design. it is also more common on cars that are driven very easy, or only short trips, as the pistons dont have time to fully expand and seal the combustion chamber. if your driving characteristics are more sporty/aggressive/enthusiastic, or just plain drive more miles/trip, the engine should consume less oil.

ive actually done this repair to one such vehicle that failed the oil consumption measurement test (2 part 630mi evaluation). there is a tsb for oil consumption which states to do the test (drain oil, measure amount put in, drive 630mi, measure amount drained). all these measurements are to the nearest gram, using an electronic scale, and the scan tool to calculate oil consumption/miles traveled. afaik, the 07's are the only ones that will actually fail the parameters of the test (more than 1 qt/1000mi). once it fails, you have to make a TAC contact, and they then tell you to do the compression test and leak down test. and in my case (compression and leakdown tests passed on the car i did rings on), they still told me to replace the rings. im not complaining cuz it payed 20 hours and was fun to tear apart a 2.0, but the dealer can only really do what they are told to do from Audi of America.

and yes, since your car is chipped, they can refuse to warranty any engine repairs. be glad they did the pressure regulation valve for you.


hope this helps. peace.

[ItsThat2.0T]

Thanks for all the input guys. Just an fyi I do not drive hard at all.

Two last questions:

-Should I get my chip removed to prevent any (further) damage? Or it won't change anything.

-I really don't want to keep spending money on all the oil and want the car off my hands. If I give the car back a year early would it be red-flagged for anything that may have me paying for down the road?

Thanks a lot I really appreciate all the input.

[ItsThat2.0T]

ttt

[Esko626]

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[Cyrik]

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Nice 11 year old thread revival lol

If you can't tell where a leak is coming from, clean it. Drive it 50-100 miles and check it again. Looks like a bad PCV judging from the fresh looking oil on the cap, read above. Not even a bad leak either.

Not to be an asshat here but I don't think your engine is from a B7...

[lumberwood]

Nice 11 year old thread revival lol

If you can't tell where a leak is coming from, clean it. Drive it 50-100 miles and check it again. Looks like a bad PCV judging from the fresh looking oil on the cap, read above. Not even a bad leak either.

Not to be an asshat here but I don't think your engine is from a B7...

^^this - good advice and for sure not a B7 motor.

That said, is there oil showing anywhere else? Vacuum pump? Rear PCV (breather)?

[Brillo]

Yes, as stated above clean your engine up and check soon after for the oil leak source.
Quite often (but not always) this is the result of a faulty PCV valve which VAG refers to as a 'pressure control valve'. Crankcase pressure might be pushing oil past the filler cap.
In the meantime try this: with engine idling remove the oil filler cap (clean cap and check the rubber gasket). Your engine should stumble with the cap off. Place the palm of you hand over the opening. You should feel some suction. If no suction you need to replace the PCV valve and, while you're at it, replace the the right side front breather check valve (which is part of the crankcase pressure control system).
If you do feel suction you will still need to assess the function of the two check valves, the one in the right front breather tube going to the pre-TC port, and the other in the PCV valve body going to the IM. If all that works out the cause of your leak is coming from somewhere else.

[Theiceman]

Yes, as stated above clean your engine up and check soon after for the oil leak source.
Quite often (but not always) this is the result of a faulty PCV valve which VAG refers to as a 'pressure control valve'. Crankcase pressure might be pushing oil past the filler cap.
In the meantime try this: with engine idling remove the oil filler cap (clean cap and check the rubber gasket). Your engine should stumble with the cap off. Place the palm of you hand over the opening. You should feel some suction. If no suction you need to replace the PCV valve and, while you're at it, replace the the right side front breather check valve (which is part of the crankcase pressure control system).
If you do feel suction you will still need to assess the function of the two check valves, the one in the right front breather tube going to the pre-TC port, and the other in the PCV valve body going to the IM. If all that works out the cause of your leak is coming from somewhere else.

keep in mind we are not sure what engine he has though . Even Early b7 does not have a check valve in the breather tube to the turbo. It is housed in the PCV. ( if we are talking about the same hose )

[Brillo]

keep in mind we are not sure what engine he has though . Even Early b7 does not have a check valve in the breather tube to the turbo. It is housed in the PCV. ( if we are talking about the same hose )

True. Good point Theiceman.

[Okedokey]

keep in mind we are not sure what engine he has though . Even Early b7 does not have a check valve in the breather tube to the turbo. It is housed in the PCV. ( if we are talking about the same hose )

Yep, but I just replced the whole PCV system including those hoses with the updated parts. One can update to the latest revision, only when all of the other parts are also at that same revision level.