Nissan Voids GT-R Warranty

[bsrpilot44]

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=25361


*CLIFF NOTES*

-Guy launches his car to achieve the advertised 3.2 0-60 times

-Guy blows his transmission

-Nissan REFUSES to fix the transmission

-Nissan sends the guy a bill for $20,000 for a NEW transmission(NOT INCLUDING CORE CHARGE/LABOR!!!!)

-Motor Trend gets involved, speaks with Nissan, issue confirmed.

[Quattro]

you have too much time on your hands to read all those pages =)

<3

[chubbychynk]

didn t read the thread, but that bullshit, they advertise the car a certain way the buyer has a right to see if it meets its expectations.

[Affinitive]

Just another example showing that Nissan produces nothing but junk.

It is pretty obsurd to think that turning off the traction control would "Void The Warranty"
I think P-Car has got it about right by logging the rev limiter and the number of times the red line rpm's were exceeded. From what I hear they're even pretty lenient on rev limiter counts. Exceeding the red line is a big NoNo

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[le91688]

This is a repost from the Car Talk section, but, theres more to the story than what he cliffed. Apparently, whether or not the owner beat the shit out of his car is in question.

[black99.5a4]

the owner went through the whole list of things needed to actually use launch control, 20 times in the matter of 2-3 months. to do this, this is what is required.

Activating launch control requires a sequence, not just VDC off:

Suspension to R-mode + Transmission to R-mode + VDC off + foot on brake + accelerator nailed + foot off brake.

i dont see why he'd even want it warrantied. its proof he beat the shit outta it far more then it should of been.. just like if i beat my turbo to shit and killed it b/c of cold runs, no waiting to cool off after a hard hard run, it blows.. audi wouldnt of replaced it if they could prove i misused it.

[T0M3K]

I guess everybody needs to start reading fine print. That sucks.

[koolade9]

It was only a matter of time... like how subaru won't warranty 1st and 2nd gear, mitsu won't warranty the transfer case, and both will completely void the drivetrain warranty if it is found that the car was ever on a track.

[Raudi 4.2]

didn t read the thread, but that bullshit, they advertise the car a certain way the buyer has a right to see if it meets its expectations.

PHUQ YEA!!

[bsrpilot44]

the owner went through the whole list of things needed to actually use launch control, 20 times in the matter of 2-3 months. to do this, this is what is required.

Activating launch control requires a sequence, not just VDC off:

Suspension to R-mode + Transmission to R-mode + VDC off + foot on brake + accelerator nailed + foot off brake.

i dont see why he'd even want it warrantied. its proof he beat the shit outta it far more then it should of been.. just like if i beat my turbo to shit and killed it b/c of cold runs, no waiting to cool off after a hard hard run, it blows.. audi wouldnt of replaced it if they could prove i misused it.

How does that even makes sense??!?!?! Nissan provided the cars with this "launch control" sequence + DSG in order to make the car less susceptible to human error, and enable the car to reach the performance numbers to justify it's sales price! Your argument places blame on the driver who you claim should not use the launch control, given to him by Nissan in his GT-R, in order to get the car he bought.

[Feeesh]

nissan blows.
/thread.

[black99.5a4]

How does that even makes sense??!?!?! Nissan provided the cars with this "launch control" sequence + DSG in order to make the car less susceptible to human error, and enable the car to reach the performance numbers to justify it's sales price! Your argument places blame on the driver who you claim should not use the launch control, given to him by Nissan in his GT-R, in order to get the car he bought.

The fine print in the warranty and very OPEN print in the user manual says do not turn off VDC, which you must do, to activate LC. It says if you turn off VDC, even once, your warranty will be voided if whatever breaks, turns out to be an abuse problem.

Its simple as that. the guy knew what he had signed, or he signed paperwork without reading it (retarded) and he neglected to read his user manual. (again, retarded)

and because of this, he disengaged his VDC to activate his LC 20 times in the first few months of ownership, then bitches his tranny is having problems.

[khmerguy978]

sucks to suck. 20g's for a tranny replacement? damn. go buy a ducati and you'll have the same 0-60 times for that price!

cheers... rocco

[Das General]

Last time I checked, working with the factory settings wasn't likely void your warranty.

Who buys a GT-R and doesn't beat the shit out of them?

[bsrpilot44]

Last time I checked, working with the factory settings wasn't likely void your warranty.

Who buys a GT-R and doesn't beat the shit out of them?

Well put!

[JackalS4]

I see what Nissan is doing and I don't like it.

They're covered, well that's great. All their customers are going to hate them - and potentially more now that the info is spreading. And the ones that don't currently have issues are now driving with paranoia - afraid to touch the wrong buttons or drive the car too hard.

Hope they revert back to manual, at least as an option, for the Spec-V....that'd be sick.

[JBM]

Wait...so for you to get to performance that Nissan claims you need to turn on LC yet if turn it on you will void your warranty.

Man that is paying for something you really can't get.

[OverSpun]

I see what Nissan is doing and I don't like it.

They're covered, well that's great. All their customers are going to hate them - and potentially more now that the info is spreading. And the ones that don't currently have issues are now driving with paranoia - afraid to touch the wrong buttons or drive the car too hard.

Hope they revert back to manual, at least as an option, for the Spec-V....that'd be sick.

theyre supposed to, from what I hear. I preferred the 6mt GTRs.

[B18b1ex]

the owner went through the whole list of things needed to actually use launch control, 20 times in the matter of 2-3 months. to do this, this is what is required.

Activating launch control requires a sequence, not just VDC off:

Suspension to R-mode + Transmission to R-mode + VDC off + foot on brake + accelerator nailed + foot off brake.

i dont see why he'd even want it warrantied. its proof he beat the shit outta it far more then it should of been.. just like if i beat my turbo to shit and killed it b/c of cold runs, no waiting to cool off after a hard hard run, it blows.. audi wouldnt of replaced it if they could prove i misused it.

If Nissan did not want people to use and enjoy the LC then disable it in the states, you can't tell a guy who buys that car "oh it has LC and can do this 0-60 but you aren't allowed to try to do it" that is not reasonable or prudent, simple as that! If he destroyed the clutches in the tranny sure he should have to fix it, but if gears broke or shafts failed then that is poor planning and or design! These cars were meant to be driven, tracked, and driven hard, if this is not the case then only sell them to collectors who will never appreciate the car they just want it to be able to say I have one.


As for your beating on your turbo, I'm pretty sure there is nothing in the audi manuals about proper warm up or cool down for our turbos. I did not see it in the S4 or tt manuals nor was it every mentioned by any service individuals. Most people get in the car and just drive expecting their car to work every time without issue.

[1997gtx]

This is a lose-lose for Nissan.

Either they do have to cover it and they lose the money.

Or, they don't have to cover it because of their 'fine print,' and their brand takes a huge hit -- if there was any brand left.
--Adam

[B18b1ex]

The fine print in the warranty and very OPEN print in the user manual says do not turn off VDC, which you must do, to activate LC. It says if you turn off VDC, even once, your warranty will be voided if whatever breaks, turns out to be an abuse problem.

Its simple as that. the guy knew what he had signed, or he signed paperwork without reading it (retarded) and he neglected to read his user manual. (again, retarded)

and because of this, he disengaged his VDC to activate his LC 20 times in the first few months of ownership, then bitches his tranny is having problems.

Nissan put an out clause in their warranty and excited people signed off with out reading, I'm so surprised, this worked for them as everyone reads the warranty while in the showroom before buying.

If this car was designed properly, the owner could launch his car everyday and yes parts will wear prematurely but they should not break. The car probably should have never come with an auto or launch control, if they knew it would break, and they did thus the clause in the warranty.

[JackalS4]

As for your beating on your turbo, I'm pretty sure there is nothing in the audi manuals about proper warm up or cool down for our turbos. I did not see it in the S4 or tt manuals nor was it every mentioned by any service individuals. Most people get in the car and just drive expecting their car to work every time without issue.

FYI, there is a specific clause in my (2001 S4) owner's manual entitled "Stopping The Engine". It basically says after a longer/extended trip or any hard driving to let the car idle for 2 minutes prior to turning it off.

I forget the title but there is also one for ensuring temps are up (when engine is cold) before any hard driving.

Wouldn't it be interesting if the GTR's turbos starting failing left, right and centre....wow that'd make things even worse - for everybody!

[Capt. Obvious]

[B18b1ex]

FYI, there is a specific clause in my (2001 S4) owner's manual entitled "Stopping The Engine". It basically says after a longer/extended trip or any hard driving to let the car idle for 2 minutes prior to turning it off.

I forget the title but there is also one for ensuring temps are up (when engine is cold) before any hard driving.

Wouldn't it be interesting if the GTR's turbos starting failing left, right and centre....wow that'd make things even worse - for everybody!

Never noticed that in my 2000 s4 manual, but I really didn't look either. I'm glad they replaced mine under warranty without issue.

[pijokS4]

fuck em they are trying too hard and its not working out... :( nissan BYE BYE

Warranty issues are not an issue if you make the car that way, if you are going to put a VOID warranty button in a car isnt everyone going to fucking HIT it??? WTF???

[Ptwiggens]

if you are going to put a VOID warranty button in a car isnt everyone going to fucking HIT it??? WTF???

Are you serious?

[B18b1ex]

fuck em they are trying too hard and its not working out... :( nissan BYE BYE

Warranty issues are not an issue if you make the car that way, if you are going to put a VOID warranty button in a car isnt everyone going to fucking HIT it??? WTF???

I tore three of the motor mounts on my car the one time I tried get 1/4 mile time, I took it in they fixed it and said don't do whatever you did to cause this, we cannot warranty it again. Needless to say it will never occur again.

You can't say that if you went through all the steps to use the Launch control and then a message popped up and said if you continue your warranty is void. 99.8% OF US WOULD NOT CONTINUE, a few who do not care about money would go ahead.

[FrimmelNoJerz]

Warranty issues are not an issue if you make the car that way, if you are going to put a VOID warranty button in a car isnt everyone going to fucking HIT it??? WTF???

oh my god. i think i just took a stroke.

[discontained]

LULZ! at the warranty button comments .. haha

[BavarianAudi]

[vinny.dtw]

fuck em they are trying too hard and its not working out... :( nissan BYE BYE

Warranty issues are not an issue if you make the car that way, if you are going to put a VOID warranty button in a car isnt everyone going to fucking HIT it??? WTF???

Fail.

Like big time...

[JackalS4]

Hahaha keep the funny pics coming!

theyre supposed to, from what I hear. I preferred the 6mt GTRs.

Here's hoping!

This is a lose-lose for Nissan.

Either they do have to cover it and they lose the money.

Or, they don't have to cover it because of their 'fine print,' and their brand takes a huge hit -- if there was any brand left.
--Adam

Exactly...and...the internet might be about to own them.

[ChrisAZ]

So if you buy a used GTR you better assume you have no warranty. You won't know how the previous owner drove it. This really is a crock of $h!t. You don't see Chevrolet denying warranty because people drive their Z06 Vette's hard. It is ludicris for a car company to sell a supposed "super car" and void the warranty for driving it like it was intended. GTR's are basically unwarrantied cars. I had considered buying a used one in a couple years but there is no way I will now that I know it will have no warranty and it's super expensive to repair. Too bad. At first glance the GTR seemed like a great car. I guess it was too good to be true.

[skunkoncrunk]

I've been following that thread since last week. I'm so disappointed with Nissan. In fact I was at Nissan checking out a red GTR they had yesterday and had a discussion about it with a salesman. One of the first thing I asked was "Can I launch this car?" He said no, at least he was honest. The guy was overall really cool about it and agreed what Nissan was doing was bullshit.

Nissan did this kind of shit before when it comes to trannys. With the 240 when they stuffed six gears in a five speed gearbox which made it like glass.

[ProOnThaSnow]

All good things come to an end I guess... It's really sad that Nissan won't stand by the vehicle they built, especially when they advertised the numbers. A used one in a couple years would pretty much be worthless.

[Akatsuki]

there are better cars for the price imho...

[CSHO1.8t]

Fail.

Like big time...

X2

This is one of the bigger fails I have witnessed

[davis449]

there are better cars for the price imho...

Damn right. Give me a used Aston Martin DBS over a GT-R any day.

[Dylan]

Wait...so for you to get to performance that Nissan claims you need to turn on LC yet if turn it on you will void your warranty.

Man that is paying for something you really can't get.

i'll play the devil's advocate on this one.

every single one of us has payed for something we really can't get - car companies advertise their cars as getting X mpg, but how many of us actually acheive those numbers?

performance numbers (top speed, accel, mpg, cornering, etc) simply state what the car is capable of in ideal circumstances, not what it can do on a regular basis. you think every ferrari enzo owner actually sees 3.65sec 0-60 times? or veyron owners actually go 253mph?

let's say your car has a 7k RPM redline, but the tach goes to 9k - does that mean you can drive it at 8k for 200 miles, and it'll still be under warranty? of course not.

i'm with nissan on this one. it clearly states that what he's done voids the warranty, but he's still bitching.

[khmerguy978]

if you have a 7k redline, it has a rev limiter, no? lets use my prelude as an example. the redline is at 7,200rpm, but there's a rev limiter at 8,000. i've driven that thing to 8,000k like no tomorrow, and it still runs amazing at 115k miles. They put it there so people don't blow up their engines by going any higher.

to me, it doesn't make sense to have something come stock on a car that will void the warranty. why give you a launch button, when using it will avoid your warranty? might as well not put it in, right? that's like saying audi put in software that allows you to raise your boost to 30psi and then you get mad when they won't fix it when the engine/tranny goes.

if i had the car, i'd be super paranoid to drive it hard. screw that.

cheers... rocco