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    Thumbs up KW V2 review - very detailed

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    well it's about a week into my experience with KW coilovers -- and i must say, i am impressed in every single way. criteria for my judging is as follows: looks, ride comfort, turn-in, brake dive, body roll, general handling/steering feel, ease of install/adjustment, and misc. comments.

    *NOTE* this is a comparison to the OEM NON-SPORT suspension.

    let me preface this by saying i am almost totally positive i would have been happy with just about ANY quality coilover out there.. but this is what i got a killer deal on, so this is what i got. normal street drivers wont be able to tell the difference between one set of coils and another if nobody tells them (assuming they're setup the same) so dont worry about brand (just make sure the company is reputable)... get what best suits your needs

    looks - absolutely top notch for my tastes. i do need to get some k-mac camber bushings, but only so that i dont absolutely slaughter my tires. i love the tuck (im dropped quite a bit) i love the construction and appearance of the shocks and springs themselves, and i love the overall aesthetic gains my car has gotten since install. i give them a 10/10 in this category (and i give audi and the a4 a 4/10 because its stupid that there arent factory included ways to further adjust the alignment of my car)

    ride comfort - here i am comparing it to the comfort levels of stock. in one respect, the car is less comfortable. you can feel bumps, dips, and every subtle change in the road right down to what kind of surface it is (tar and chip, asphalt, black top, etc)... to me however that isnt a bad thing. i would understand how someone would want a balance between performance and comfort though, so i give the KW's a 6/10 in this category. HOWEVER - the significantly decreased decreased body roll makes me less dependent on my shitty bolsters. so + 1 point for the KW's, bringing the ride comfort score to a total of 7 out of 10.

    turn in - ahh the crappy turn in of a heavy front engine car with a tendency to understeer.... not much can truly save the a4 from its snow plow ways (rs4 rear sway helps more than anything) but based on a bone stock non-sport to coilover comparison; the KW's cut the "plow" effect in half. properly adjusted rebound and equally well matched springs will do wonders for the way your car turns in and holds. this is where many coilovers will separate themselves from the competition. if you can afford rebound adjustable (and compression if you've really got the pockets) c/o's - get them. you WILL thank yourself later. for the effort they are putting forward in strengthening this weak spot in the a4's overall handling - i give KW a 8/10. only thing they could really do to bump to a 10 of 10 would be to offer a sway bar set which they recommend be paired with their c/o kits. but audi already makes a really nice sway bar - so just buy that instead.

    brake dive - brake dive sucks. our cars do it (even though they have EBD). not a whole lot you can do to fix it (other than BBK's and properly adjusted braking bias if you dont have EBD) but i have noticed a significant decrease in the feeling of brake dive since installing the coils. now i haven't done any scientific testing to see whether or not the stiffer suspension has physically altered the ways in which the car moves and distributes the negative acceleration generated during heavy braking, but it sure as hell doesnt throw me forward like it used to when i need to get on my puny little brakes. (perhaps it is just sitting flatter the whole time due to the lower center of gravity and the inertia is just FEELS more evenly dispersed as opposed to being distributed in a physically different way.. or maybe theres no difference between the two.. who knows - not me)

    bottom line here, it doesnt FEEL like it sucks as much - 9/10 (for suspension helping to correct a braking issue)

    body roll - first of all, see ride comfort. the car sits flat, and quite frankly reminds me of my porsche 944 turbo with the way it feels in a turn. that is a very very good thing. especially since the 951 was the best handling production car in america for like, 5 years or something like that.
    10/10 to you KW, very well done

    general handling/steering feel - the thumbs up really says it all. for one with performance in mind, the handling and steering feel really shot through the roof. i feel that now the car is much more predictable in a turn, or in any situation really. the SAME NIGHT that i finished my install i had to swerve to miss a dear ON THE HIGHWAY. you wanna talk about scary shit... i either would have hit it, or gone into a slide and not been able to control it if not for the coils. swerving to miss an animal which (i swear to god) came out of nowhere at 80mph is no easy task, i smoked half a pack of cigarettes after that - and i dont smoke. moral of the story is when the car started to kick loose (from sudden steering input at high speeds... i n00bed out and flicked the wheel lol) i was able to calmly (as much as possible) think about what was going on, and through the wheel felt like i had total knowledge and control of the way the road felt, and the way the car was moving. stock non-sport leaves a lot to be desired, and any of you with it, or who have had it know what i mean when when i say "you cant feel shit" with it. for saving my life, and completely turning my car into a whole new animal - KW gets an 12 out of 10. (bonus points for me and my car not getting royally f'ed up by that deer)

    ease of install/adjustment - hmmm... you may think that they're going to score low here --- WRONG. adjustment is actually very simple with these, as they're adjusted just like vogtlands and a couple others out there (you dont have to take the rear spring out to change the ride height). i did have to trim up the carpet in the rear wheel wells to reach the perch however.... whoopty do. takes a few minutes with a jack, allen wrench, and the spanner wrench to adjust the rear ride height. not hard at all - if you saw it you'd understand. minus half a point because it was annoying to cut out the carpet though. front shocks/springs are self explanatory, they go in same as the front, and adjust just like any other c/o. UNINSTALLING the rear setup can be the biggest PITA ever, and involves a lot of getting mad. i used darrick's (captain obvious) DIY when i did my suspension, and he was right. i found myself learning new curse words while working, but getting angry and really wailing on that rear spring got it to pop right out. getting the new springs and perches in however - was VERY VERY SIMPLE. high five to kw, all i had to do was disconnect my puny rear sway bar, and have a friend use a prybar to push down on the whole swing arm. slid right in no problem at all. took about an hour for each corner to get the springs out -- took about 5 minutes per side to put them back in (no spring compressors needed to put the new ones in either! yay!) so kw, for keeping me from killing myself while putting on your springs/perches, i give you a 9.5/10

    misc. comments - these things have been awesome, i have to be careful or i'll scrape now, and i've got some killer camber on all 4 wheels. it's about neg 2 and change in the rear, only neg 1 or so in the front just eyeballing it compared to other cars which i know have a certain degree of camber - to me it looks sick, unfortunately it makes my tires/wallet sick. only real complaint/regret is that i didnt do this sooner. having such a low ride height is kind of a bitch sometimes, and i cant tote around as many girls in the back of my car (just the other night i had to tell 3 girls to all get out of the back so i could go over a speed bump on the way back from a party lol) but just like in the preface - the average a4 owner is going to be happy with whatever they get. the BIGGEST thing about these particular coilovers is that they ARE rebound and height adjustable, and that the rear perch IS completely adjustable on the car. so to KW and to the fine products they produce. much love. many props.

    final (average) score -- 9.4/10 gotta love em
    Last edited by B6Lovin; 11-19-2007 at 01:57 PM.
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    Which suspension are you comparing it to? The oem sport or non-sport?
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    OEM non sport, edited with that information included in the beginning. i think i mentioned it, but i definitely didnt point it out. thanks
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    Sweet review. Thanks.
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    no problem - i feel like people should get an opinion of stuff that's out there in a little bit more detail, and they can use this as a guide/further basis of comparison for other brands.
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    what was your rebound set to?

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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    Great review. These are the kinds of reviews I wish I had before buying my suspension. That said, I absolutely love my STaSIS Streetsports.
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    Very nice review. Hopefully this will help others see the great aspects of the kW Product.

    My only quam with KW kits is that they spec too soft of a rear spring for track use or auto-x. Their kits are kick ass for street use, but with the front to rear spring rate spec could be improved to dial out some of the understeer tendancies and make the car more neutral.
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    Quote Originally Posted by ungucpho View Post
    what was your rebound set to?
    i dont have a way to tell you for sure, its somewhere between rebound only (easy to push in, hard to pull out i believe) and halfway to compression only... so like, 3/4 of the way towards being rebound only? that's the only way i know to describe it... dont have a scientific way to measure my settings. i just know it works, and it works very well for the springs supplied with the kit. (if the springs were stiffer i'd consider trying rebound only.)

    i might have that backwards... i cant remember, too lazy to check. but i know the feeling i'm talking about lol.
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    Quote Originally Posted by EBG 18T View Post
    Very nice review. Hopefully this will help others see the great aspects of the kW Product.

    My only quam with KW kits is that they spec too soft of a rear spring for track use or auto-x. Their kits are kick ass for street use, but with the front to rear spring rate spec could be improved to dial out some of the understeer tendancies and make the car more neutral.
    i hear ya on the springs, but i'm hoping that the rs4 rear bar will work in conjunction with the setup to further reduce understeer and the like.

    we'll see
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    nice.

    going from non-sport to any aftermarket suspension makes a world of difference to this car. non-sport makes the car look like it's on stilts and feel like it's a boat.

    after adding the rs4 rear sway and switching to the bilstein h+r setup, i am very impressed with the how the handling characteristics of the car have changed. the audi was always an effortless car to drive, however, with the tighter suspension and lower center of gravity it really is too easy to eat up the road.

    unfortunately, it is true about the a4 and it's weight; at a certain point, the effects of physics kick the a4's heavy ass, leading it to plow full speed ahead into the turn.

    the only thing that will ever really fix this is shifting more weight/power to the rear of the car, which audi is finally starting to do with the new models.

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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    Quote Originally Posted by B6Lovin View Post
    i hear ya on the springs, but i'm hoping that the rs4 rear bar will work in conjunction with the setup to further reduce understeer and the like.

    we'll see
    adding a 22mm rear bar will help alot. It will definitly neutralize it some, but will still default to some understeer if the car is pushed too far (which is a good thing sometimes).
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    yeah, my final absolute attempt at reducing the understeer of my car to being as close as humanly possible to zero is going to be the rs4 RSB, and the torsen dif mod... i think stasis does it? they shim something in your core dif or something like that. its decently priced, and i've heard that it makes the a4 drive like it should have from the factory.

    i just dont have the balls to totally gut my car like JJ. lol
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    STaSIS makes the 4:1 center diff mod. ~$550. They are out of cores for the 6-speed so i am still waiting for cores to come in so i can get one. I just can't deal with a week of down time to send my diff in to get modified. Hopefully sometime over the winter they will get some cores in...

    As far as getting the chassis neutral, it is really tough. My rear springs are 30+% stiffer than my front springs (700#F & 1000#R) and i am running the 22mm h-sport rear bar and my chassis is finally getting close to neutral. It still isn't perfect, but getting pretty close. It is honestly good enough for me and i still have to find out all the limits of my current setup.

    For comparison the KW V2's are 580#F& 470#R. You will see a very noticible difference with the rear bar.
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    sweet, thanks for the numbers/info.i couldnt find spring rates for the KW's, though i knew they were pretty soft. i'm definitely more than pleased with them though.

    cant wait for the rear bar
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    i did the rs4 sway before my suspension, and it made an astonishing difference on it's own for body roll.

    i kind of wish i did the suspension first, to see if body roll would have still been bad without the bar. i guess i'll never know...

    with the suspension and the rs4 sway, the a4 is a real driving machine now. it's incredible what $1000 in parts will do to this car...it used to be my little black boat.

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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    you can't really compare the spring rates between the 2 kits, as yours are linear rate springs and the KW's are progressive

    Quote Originally Posted by EBG 18T View Post
    STaSIS makes the 4:1 center diff mod. ~$550. They are out of cores for the 6-speed so i am still waiting for cores to come in so i can get one. I just can't deal with a week of down time to send my diff in to get modified. Hopefully sometime over the winter they will get some cores in...

    As far as getting the chassis neutral, it is really tough. My rear springs are 30+% stiffer than my front springs (700#F & 1000#R) and i am running the 22mm h-sport rear bar and my chassis is finally getting close to neutral. It still isn't perfect, but getting pretty close. It is honestly good enough for me and i still have to find out all the limits of my current setup.

    For comparison the KW V2's are 580#F& 470#R. You will see a very noticible difference with the rear bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ungucpho View Post
    you can't really compare the spring rates between the 2 kits, as yours are linear rate springs and the KW's are progressive
    The front springs on the KW are linear w/ a helper spring. The rear KW spring has a 'working range' (the only way to compare a progressive) that i listed above. Per KW the high end of the rate is about 10-12% higher than the working range they list. The low end of the rate is about 10-12% lower than the working range that is listed. Those specs are actually from KW. The purpose of my comment was in relation to the softness of the springs that KW supplies on their Audi kits. I really wish they used a higher rate spring as i would have prefered a set of V3's with the INOX shock bodies.

    As you said you can't do a straight apples to apples comparison but based on the info from KW you can atleast get a rough idea.

    Some companies like Koni have a working range and they may have a high rate of about 15-20% higher than the working range and a low rate of 5-10% from the working range. Unfortunatly like you you never actually know all the specs and most manufactuers are pretty tight lipped about the specs on their progressive springs. You can sometimes find folks in the race dept that are willing to let some of the numbers out..
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    Re: KW V2 review - very detailed

    i agree, i requested springs with a higher rate when i felt the rear was too soft, and they wouldn't disclose the spring rate. i would have wanted the opposite of what they supplied, progressive up front and linear in the rear to help with the understeer.

    that being said, KW's service is 2nd to none


    Quote Originally Posted by EBG 18T View Post
    The front springs on the KW are linear w/ a helper spring. The rear KW spring has a 'working range' (the only way to compare a progressive) that i listed above. Per KW the high end of the rate is about 10-12% higher than the working range they list. The low end of the rate is about 10-12% lower than the working range that is listed. Those specs are actually from KW. The purpose of my comment was in relation to the softness of the springs that KW supplies on their Audi kits. I really wish they used a higher rate spring as i would have prefered a set of V3's with the INOX shock bodies.

    As you said you can't do a straight apples to apples comparison but based on the info from KW you can atleast get a rough idea.

    Some companies like Koni have a working range and they may have a high rate of about 15-20% higher than the working range and a low rate of 5-10% from the working range. Unfortunatly like you you never actually know all the specs and most manufactuers are pretty tight lipped about the specs on their progressive springs. You can sometimes find folks in the race dept that are willing to let some of the numbers out..

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