Definition of Stage 1 vs. Stage 1+???

[jstrat812]

I have searched first, I promise!

I am serious about the chip, and from what I have read the 380cc injectors are a great compliment. I was under the impression that the chip + injectors = Stage 1+
A knowledgible VW/Audi friend of mine told me that you need the test pipe, intercooler, chip and injectors to be Stage 1+.

Is this true?

What is the true definition of Stage 1 vs. Stage 1+?

And how much am I looking to spend on 1+? (ballpark)

[A4ringedONE8T]

Stage 1 is software only, 1+ is different software and injectors

IC, TP, etc have nothing to do with it

The software for either should be $500 and depending on whether you go, REVO, APR, or GIAC, injectors will be anywhere from $200 - $400

[NJ_A4_Lion]

Great question and as a Noob myself, it will be my pleasure to help you out.

Stage 1 = flash only. APR quotes 215 hp and 245 Torque on 93 octane. While many will argue these numbers are not accurate this is what APR claims (if you go with their set-up). However to get closer to this number you would probably want to do other upgrades (intake, exhaust etc.) This initial upgrade will run you $500 + tax and labor

Stage 1+ = another flash with the addition of injectors (Audi TT injectors or 380 injectors). According to APR, this is supposed to give you 235 hp and 275 torque. As mentioned before many would argue this is not the case but you can judge for yourself. I am currently in the process of moving from the stage 1 to the 1+. However, I feel as though my car has plenty of power because I started with the supporting modifications (i.e. CAI, Full Exhaust, Diverter Valve). So by the time I received the chip the set up was just right to receive the additional power. This setup will cost you $1,000 + tax and labor unless you are upgrading from a stage 1 (should only cost about $600).

One thing to keep in mind is how far do you want to go. It is very simple to get carried away with these mods. So it is up to you to figure out what you want but eventually you will want more. If you see this happening just move to an S4 lol…

Hope this helps.

P.S. Fellas, let me know if I missed anything.

I have searched first, I promise!

I am serious about the chip, and from what I have read the 380cc injectors are a great compliment. I was under the impression that the chip + injectors = Stage 1+
A knowledgible VW/Audi friend of mine told me that you need the test pipe, intercooler, chip and injectors to be Stage 1+.

Is this true?

What is the true definition of Stage 1 vs. Stage 1+?

And how much am I looking to spend on 1+? (ballpark)

[Daddy MO]

I have stage 3 bitch!!!





3.SLOW that is

[old guy]

Great question and as a Noob myself, it will be my pleasure to help you out.

Stage 1 = flash only. APR quotes 215 hp and 245 Torque on 93 octane. While many will argue these numbers are not accurate this is what APR claims (if you go with their set-up). However to get closer to this number you would probably want to do other upgrades (intake, exhaust etc.) This initial upgrade will run you $500 + tax and labor

Stage 1+ = another flash with the addition of injectors (Audi TT injectors or 380 injectors). According to APR, this is supposed to give you 235 hp and 275 torque. As mentioned before many would argue this is not the case but you can judge for yourself. I am currently in the process of moving from the stage 1 to the 1+. However, I feel as though my car has plenty of power because I started with the supporting modifications (i.e. CAI, Full Exhaust, Diverter Valve). So by the time I received the chip the set up was just right to receive the additional power. This setup will cost you $1,000 + tax and labor unless you are upgrading from a stage 1 (should only cost about $600).

One thing to keep in mind is how far do you want to go. It is very simple to get carried away with these mods. So it is up to you to figure out what you want but eventually you will want more. If you see this happening just move to an S4 lol…

Hope this helps.

P.S. Fellas, let me know if I missed anything.

Hey, not bad for a noob! You have definitely been listening!

[Spinnetti]

BTW, "Stage" is just a marketing term, and varies by vendor, though the feedback you got is generally in line by what people mean by 1 or 1+

[Allwheel Driver]

I have stage 3 bitch!!!
3.SLOW that is

I thought you had Stage 3.0+ ?

[XipeR]

guess you didnt look hard enough...
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96446

Stage 1 = chip
Stage 1+ = chip+ any other mods without a turbo upgrade

[jstrat812]

Actually I looked at that "sticky" post first! If you can tell me where it says the difference between stage 1 and 1+ Id love to know.

4. Chip – A chip is probably the best bang for your buck and the most favored by most 1.8T owners. It remaps the feul and boost to push more hp on your car. The main companies are GIAC, APR, and REVO. Many choose based on which dealer is closest. All of them have upgrades for K04 and BT applications but prices vary. However… now there is a new form of “chipping” called “flashing”. Basically instead of putting an actual chip, the whole ECU gets deleted and a new file is put on for your application.

[roarincheetah]

Actually I looked at that "sticky" post first! If you can tell me where it says the difference between stage 1 and 1+ Id love to know.

4. Chip – A chip is probably the best bang for your buck and the most favored by most 1.8T owners. It remaps the feul and boost to push more hp on your car. The main companies are GIAC, APR, and REVO. Many choose based on which dealer is closest. All of them have upgrades for K04 and BT applications but prices vary. However… now there is a new form of “chipping” called “flashing”. Basically instead of putting an actual chip, the whole ECU gets deleted and a new file is put on for your application.

not sure where you were reading, but this kinda SPELLS it out for me...

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Stage 1 = chip
Stage 1+ = chip+ any other mods without a turbo upgrade
Stage 2 = K04
Stage 2+ = K04 with other mods
Stage 3 = BT at 270-350 chp
Stage 3+ = BT at 350-400 chp
Stage 4 = internal/head work making 400-500 chp
Stage 5 = Stand alone or making 500+ chp

CHP = Crank Horsepower
WHP = Wheel HP (usually AWHP for us)

[8E1POINT8]

While its brought up, how come there's hardly any guys going stand alone on b6s? The b5 guys are making tons o power, 034 has great stuff, people like Tom Ritt have even strapped Holset Cummings turbos on and have them tuned. What giveS?

[AudiBeer]

B6s are fat pigs - as opposed to our older brothers.

3700 lbs vs. 2998 lbs. (700 may not sound like much but it def makes a difference)

[AudiA4Style]

guess you didnt look hard enough...
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96446

Stage 1 = chip
Stage 1+ = chip+ any other mods without a turbo upgrade

Actually Stage 1+ = chip + bigger injectors

Also $500 is the going rate for "stage1", "Stage1" $550-600.

[AudiA4_20T]

While its brought up, how come there's hardly any guys going stand alone on b6s? The b5 guys are making tons o power, 034 has great stuff, people like Tom Ritt have even strapped Holset Cummings turbos on and have them tuned. What giveS?

Our fuel systems hold us back... Our fueling can only hold us up to around 350whp which is pushing it. In order to upgrade you can do B5 fueling but its custom there is no kit for it. Also our DBW limits us. And on top of all that, youd have to throw rods in your motor to support big hp. There are many going the big route but it is still new in terms of crazy hp on our motors. A few are pushing the limits we will see how it turns out. Id stay updated on Jordan and Shawns progress