Scion TC able to keep up??? I'm concerned!

[RLB6]

On the way home a Scion TC decided he wanted to play on the interstate..so, why not. I mean, I have 170HP stock compared to his 160HP. Plus, I am chipped (GIAC)so that's an extra 30+ HP, right? So on to playing we go......I pass him first but then I'm not leaving him. Not only am I not leaving him, he's gaining on me, then thank godness there's a corner coming up that he couldn't possibly take as fast as I could..then we hit the straights..and once again, he's gaining on me. Now, I'm thinking to myself "Either something is wrong with my ride or a Scion TC is not the slouch I thought it would be". He had temp tags on it plus I saw no sign of an exhaust.

One other note: I do have a CEL for the second O2 sensor, which is not connected because the wires were split but would this affect me that much?? Is there a boost leak? Doesn't feel like it but I could be wrong.

I was so concerned that I pulled my spark plugs out when I got home, they're all burning perfectly.

Also, what's this talk about a green top water temp sensor that's suppose to maximize my power. Can someone explain that too. Thanks

[favianjanitra]

weight factor?

[SeKKeY]

they are lighter and less drivetrain loss because they are fwd..also youre a tip..if he was manual he would have a little more advantage? time to go BI file with exhaust, then youll have no problem

[favianjanitra]

yes go BI and youll love the feeling like the car chipped again

[quattrotman]

I think the CEL from the O2 actually would've made all the difference. That 02 senses mixture and if it can't it will throw your whole mixtur off and car could be many horses under what it should be. An A4 chipped should easily take a Scion.

[RLB6]

I'm getting my borla system with down pipe installed on Wednesday so hopefully that will hold me til I get my 28RS eliminator kit

[RLB6]

I think the CEL from the O2 actually would've made all the difference. That 02 senses mixture and if it can't it will throw your whole mixtur off and car could be many horses under what it should be. An A4 chipped should easily take a Scion.

Eventhough it's the secondary O2 senor that's not connected. This would make that much of a difference? The primary one is just fine.

[crsjf]

yeah man.. a tC weighs like half of what our cars do..

[Monizzle]

yes go BI file and you'll be able to leave toyota's behind...maybe.
the fact of the matter is, the sooner you realize and accept that our cars are fat pigs, the less disappointed you'll be when a "insert any car here" passes you or keeps up with you.

[SeKKeY]

our fat pigs looks nice though

[B6driver]

i was running dead even with my friend who has a scion (maybe i would be ahead by a little)... he is auto and i have manual... both are bone stock.. i have an intake

[8E1POINT8]

Thats interesting. Im a tip with APR1 and I have no problem pulling away from my friends Release Series 2.0 TC. Do you have a boost gauge?

[initiala4]

Weight and quattro are horrible for rolling start

[TrojanRings]

TC's also have the option of a dealer-installed supercharger that boosts HP to 200 .... my brother has one.

[HeymyAudi]

Our Fat Pigs pulls more skinny girls than those toyotas which pulls more fat girls... lol... But they are nice when they have a intake and exhaust from Toyota my buddy has one and it has a lil pep

[DELUX]

A4 > Tc

[redline_redline]

tCs are great cars for the money. my bros got one and has some mods done to it. they can get like 1000hp with stock engine. ive seen one with 1400hp. anyway, he could have modded it to any extent because they have such a large group modding scions. my bros got an intake, lightweight pulley, and he's getting new headers this week. its gonna be just as fast as mine with injectors soon. dont hate on tCs just cause they arent german =]
and be careful if you wanna race certain ones cause who knows what they can have under their hood.

tC > a4 in terms of power and weight.

however, they are not comparable cars. the tC is meant to be modded like a supra. audis are luxary sedans.

[roarincheetah]

tCs are great cars for the money. my bros got one and has some mods done to it. they can get like 1000hp with stock engine. ive seen one with 1400hp. anyway, he could have modded it to any extent because they have such a large group modding scions. my bros got an intake, lightweight pulley, and he's getting new headers this week. its gonna be just as fast as mine with injectors soon. dont hate on tCs just cause they arent german =]
and be careful if you wanna race certain ones cause who knows what they can have under their hood.

tC > a4 in terms of power and weight.

however, they are not comparable cars. the tC is meant to be modded like a supra. audis are luxary sedans.

Thats all good stuff, but the fact that he said he had temp tags leads me to believe that it was stock.

He should have pulled on him.

I didn't pull on you that hard yesterday and you are stage 1 (tip) and I'm stage 1+, and i have pulled on stock TCs a lot harder. I think you could take one

[DELUX]

Seriously, these comparisons are stupid. If you got beat by a Volvo S40 or a BMW 3 series, then that's a valid comparison. TCs are not in the same class or category as A4s so cmon guys, quit it. There's always gonna be cheaper cars that are faster. They're never going to be as nice or the same quality as Audi or any other car in the Luxury sport-sedan category.

If you had an RSX or a Civic and you got beat by a TC, then you could cry all you want because it would be a similar comparison. I just find it really senseless to be complaining about losing to cars like those though when you own an Audi. You SHOULD NOT be surprised if lighter 'boy-toy' cars are faster than you. They are cars for kids and shouldn't be looked at the same way as luxury sedans.

/end rant

[Papachristou]

tCs are great cars for the money. my bros got one and has some mods done to it. they can get like 1000hp with stock engine. ive seen one with 1400hp. anyway, he could have modded it to any extent because they have such a large group modding scions. my bros got an intake, lightweight pulley, and he's getting new headers this week. its gonna be just as fast as mine with injectors soon. dont hate on tCs just cause they arent german =]
and be careful if you wanna race certain ones cause who knows what they can have under their hood.

tC > a4 in terms of power and weight.

however, they are not comparable cars. the tC is meant to be modded like a supra. audis are luxary sedans.

dont u mean new HEADER???? he would neeeda v6 to have two header?
maybe he has a v4

i have doubt about a little engine on a cheap ass car that could hold 1000-1400 HP stock, maybe if u stripped the whole thing down and rebuilt it with different internals but supras have trouble pulling past 800HP on stock internals reliably anyway at least from my understanding

[DELUX]

dont u mean new HEADER???? he would neeeda v6 to have two header?
maybe he has a v4

i have doubt about a little engine on a cheap ass car that could hold 1000-1400 HP stock, maybe if u stripped the whole thing down and rebuilt it with different internals but supras have trouble pulling past 800HP on stock internals reliably anyway at least from my understanding

There are 1.6L and 1.8L Honda motors that are putting down 1000+ hp out there. Anything is possible. As for the internals, there is no way that anybody is running stock internals with that kind of power. It is assumed that the engine is rebuilt in at least some way to achieve that type of power.

[B6driver]

There are 1.6L and 1.8L Honda motors that are putting down 1000+ hp out there. Anything is possible. As for the internals, there is no way that anybody is running stock internals with that kind of power. It is assumed that the engine is rebuilt in at least some way to achieve that type of power.

tCs share the same engine as the 4 cyl camrys.. highly modable jap engine, but i do agree that stock internals would turn to mush when highly modded.

1000hp on the engine... 150hp to the ground

[Daddy MO]

LOL... dont feel bad dude... I had a freakin bone stock Cobalt keep up yesterday. I mean, I barely had him as i just crept away. Im sure he though because when we got into traffic I didnt chase. Im sure I woulda smoked his ass if I didnt need a spark plug change and VAG shows misfire on cyl. 5 and 4.

[b6onboost]

Why you lost has already been stated above, but:

Since you have GIAC, get injectors and go with the FX file. The standard GIAC chip is very agressive from 2500-3500rpm but then trails off. Making it feel quick when passing people, or driving around town...as all the power is in really in that range.

With the FX file, you'll get the same acceleration just from 2500-5000+ rpm. It really makes the car feel alot quicker. This is why most people say they should've gone strait to the FX, BI, or 1+ file regardless of which chip company they chose.

[AudiHere04]

i pulled on stock TC ,auto...i was bone stock..no chip

[Doss]

<Still laughing>

Seriously, I know Scion isn't a competing brand, but it should by no means beat an Audi.

For those of you stating a little engine like that can make 1000+ HP on stock internals and engine management, keep dreaming. Those engines are built to the max and almost always have a stand alone engine management system. Parts have to be custom fabricated. I'm willing to bet a 1000+ HP Toyota motor has more than $15K in it.

You could do the same for one of our cars if you had the money to (if our block will hold out).

As people (and myself) have said before, this car is too heavy and lacks power. It is throttle fodder for most stock Japanese (and American) commuter mobiles. I don't care what your opinion of other makes is, these A4s are slow and bad mouthing other brands won't make it any faster.

If you're concerned about being the fastest regular car around, start with a K04 upgrade. If that's not fast enough, move to BT. It'll be faster than most any other car out there with four doors. You will possibly have trouble with the 335, RS4, most new AMGs, and 5-series Ms.

Keep your head up, most people didn't buy this car to be fast.

[K03]

thats why I'm going to a 335....talking about a scion shouldn't even be dicussed...Audi vs toyotas CHEAPER division....damn.....Audi needs to start adding some HP without having to buy an S4

[GTMRS4]

My bro's B16 civic is putting down 750WHP. Of course it has a motec comp, and been bored out to 2.2, and has a dual stage injector setup. But built on a 1.6 L platform, and he also has an 800AWHP skyline (after 80k of work)


....it doesn't matter, you can build any engine as long as the top and bottom are built.

As for the Scion, the power to weight ratio is completely different, and if you have quattro you are losing apporx. 22-24&#37; in your drivetrain compaired to his 12-16% for his FWD.

Always remember, at the end of the day you drive a luxury car and not a rice rocket.

[RLB6]

Guess I'll need to check for boost leaks, bad temp sensor, etc. Well, I know my secondary O2 sensor is not even connected. Once I do that, I may stumble on why I had a problem with a scion..and yeah, I'm am laughing about the whole situation, so no need to "keep my head up".

[Tinman]

One other note: I do have a CEL for the second O2 sensor, which is not connected because the wires were split but would this affect me that much?? Is there a boost leak? Doesn't feel like it but I could be wrong.

that could be the problem. it'll back down your car because it can't adequately gauge the a/f. get that fixed and try again.

L8

[ArcticBoost]

I've raced a friends TC...his car is stock auto...mine is chipped + exhausted + intake + ssk blah blah and I took him from a light no problem...and I didn't really launch.

[redline_redline]

dont u mean new HEADER???? he would neeeda v6 to have two header?
maybe he has a v4

i have doubt about a little engine on a cheap ass car that could hold 1000-1400 HP stock, maybe if u stripped the whole thing down and rebuilt it with different internals but supras have trouble pulling past 800HP on stock internals reliably anyway at least from my understanding

yeah I meant new header haha, he's got an i4.

dude dont feel bad abuot getting beat by a tC cause those things are light as hell, so whatever mod done to it will affect it a lot more than things done to our heavy ass rides. like i said, they are made to race (for those who mod it) and ours are made for luxury.

however, if it was stock with the 160hp, and you're chipped, then you better see if somethings wrong with your ride, or how you drive haha.

[Bobthewise]

.... no FWD car is really meant to race. Scion also wieghs 2910lbs which is light to us but I do not think it goes under the "light as hell category" also btw our cars are little bit on the heavy side but they can be fast as hell. Too much horse power on FWD system causes torque steer so uhh.. with alot of horse power something like a scion would have to be a drag queen and thats no fun.

[redline_redline]

.... no FWD car is really meant to race. Scion also wieghs 2910lbs which is light to us but I do not think it goes under the "light as hell category" also btw our cars are little bit on the heavy side but they can be fast as hell. Too much horse power on FWD system causes torque steer so uhh.. with alot of horse power something like a scion would have to be a drag queen and thats no fun.

sorry, thats exactly what i meant by race. also, i meant light as hell compared to us. they can be fast, faster than our cars. but right now the tC is the fastest drag car in whatever class its in, not sure how that works though. but all in all, with a turbocharger kit, that car gets added 100+hp alone. not including many other mods that can be done to it.

[Hamann]

TC's also have the option of a dealer-installed supercharger that boosts HP to 200 .... my brother has one.

Also, you can turbo it for around 5-8 grand...there's scion tc's out there with 450bhp

I owned a tc for 11 months, wanted something a little more sophisticated...but, stock with 160 is a lot faster than ours at 170.

Scion Tc: Power: 161 hp and Torque: 162 lb·ft - 2905 lbs
Audi A4 Quattro: 170hp and a whopping 3406 lbs!

Tc will beat your ass all day stock...and with an intake and exhaust.

[KnivesOut]

Yeterday I got tookin by a 72 Pinto wagon with a 5.7L mustang engine in it and two japs in space suits driving.

[SeKKeY]

no way, did they have a wii?

[Monizzle]

our fat pigs looks nice though

it's simple really, speed isn't everything, atleast not to me.
a tC can go zero to sixty in no seconds and i could care less.
Audi>Toyota.
Only a delusional fool would say otherwise.

[DELUX]

thats why I'm going to a 335....talking about a scion shouldn't even be dicussed...Audi vs toyotas CHEAPER division....damn.....Audi needs to start adding some HP without having to buy an S4

If Audi adds more power without sacrificing their already class-leading interior and exterior materials and quality, then you would be paying 45k for an A4. Or in other words... an S4.

[DELUX]

Adding to what I just said. The 335 starts at 41k. It is slightly slower than the S4 and doesn't have as nice an interior as the S4 (it has pretty much the basic 3-series interior with a few minor changes). The S4 starts at 47k.

Where does that not make any sense?