Will the 8Y RS3 ever be tuneable?

[DanMPower]

Not sure if this question has been asked before but from what I read, the new Bosch MG1 ECUs in the 8Y cannot be unlocked. Audi is doing what BMW is doing with the new Bosch ECU and locking the bootloader at a processor level so it's pretty much impossible to gain access.

The new BMW M3/M4s do have a walkaround now finally which consists of sending your ECU to Russia to have it hacked and cloned to another ECU, then sent back to you to gain access to flash via OBD, the whole process costs about $5000-6000 not including the tune and if BMW were to send an OTA update it will be bricked. Nobody in the US has come up with a solution yet for those cars after many years even for the B58, what are the chances of someone investing in a similar "Russian hack" process for the 8Y RS3? Doesn't seem likely, so are the 8Y's destined to just intake/exhaust mods? Will piggyback tunes like the JB4 be the only solution besides going full Syvecs standalone?

That would be a huge deal-breaker for me since the draw of the DAZA is in its tunability and power gain potential.

[HODL_B58]

What’s an OTA update? That’s when you bring it into dealer for service, yea? I havent brought my BMW to dealer since 25k miles and plan to never again because of that threat. I know we’re a small minority in the grand scheme but still feel like they’re doin themselves with these updates.

This video claims “tuned” but there’s no detail about tune, perhaps they just meant the exhaust note was tuned via custom exhaust. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XM2Gph1pPoU

If 8Y aren’t tuneable and the used car market crashes as predicted, i’d be much happier to pick up a modded 8V on the cheap instead then

[8STTRS]

What’s an OTA update?

OTA = over the air.

It's something that several manufacturers are doing. They can effectively just update your car, whenever or where ever.

[o1turbo30v]

It will probably be like the B9 S4's, 2-3 years for the tuners to figure out how to do it.

[tegxsi]

All the Audi's with MG1 ECU back then were on the same boat. Once OBD flashing was cracked the flood gates opened for all MG1 Audi's.

Just have to wait it out and see...

[lemonvr6]

If 8Y aren’t tuneable and the used car market crashes as predicted, i’d be much happier to pick up a modded 8V on the cheap instead then

The 8y not being tunable isn’t going to drive the 8v down

Lol

[Kaliking]

I was wondering why I couldn't really see any tune data for the 8Y online, now I know why. Also is the JB4 really that bad compared to traditional ecu tune? The piggybacks seem to make pretty decent power gains and have less warranty headaches.

[ECNMY R]

We've been in "too good to be true" territory for a long time, and given the disproportionate resources in this arms race, plus the intensifying incentives of OEMs to have total control (not just for emissions reasons, but also rent-seeking with feature locks, etc), there's every reason to believe the party could be ending.

Of course, these things have always been true to varying degrees. But the scale of technological change is making things less and less small-d democratic. Right to Repair is tied up with Right to Tune and the little guy is losing both.

BMW or Audi or anyone don't want you futzing with a computer that is part of an ongoing revenue stream. Adjusting timing tables is one thing, what about turning on the Adaptive Cruise subscription for free? What happens if they hire the Disney lawyers? ECU code is IP. They will hit your little hot rod shop with a fucking nuke.

[tegxsi]

I was wondering why I couldn't really see any tune data for the 8Y online, now I know why. Also is the JB4 really that bad compared to traditional ecu tune? The piggybacks seem to make pretty decent power gains and have less warranty headaches.

With piggybacks like JB4 you are raising the boost and relying on the ECU to pull timing to optimize power. It works if you don't over do it. A splash of E85 is what makes JB4 shine.

[lemonvr6]

It makes it shine because you are riding the knock sensors in lieu of a calibration



Russian roulette with a daza

[tegxsi]

It makes it shine because you are riding the knock sensors in lieu of a calibration



Russian roulette with a daza

I'm confident that it's fine... I've tried it and datalogged it plenty on E30 with zero knock. Stock tune will go up to 15-16 degrees ignition advance when it sees good fuel. Maybe higher when it sees lower IAT.

Stock tune on 91 constantly pulling a ton of timing which is more concerning.

Of course I still prefer ECU tune.

[Bezlar]

We've been in "too good to be true" territory for a long time, and given the disproportionate resources in this arms race, plus the intensifying incentives of OEMs to have total control (not just for emissions reasons, but also rent-seeking with feature locks, etc), there's every reason to believe the party could be ending.

Of course, these things have always been true to varying degrees. But the scale of technological change is making things less and less small-d democratic. Right to Repair is tied up with Right to Tune and the little guy is losing both.

BMW or Audi or anyone don't want you futzing with a computer that is part of an ongoing revenue stream. Adjusting timing tables is one thing, what about turning on the Adaptive Cruise subscription for free? What happens if they hire the Disney lawyers? ECU code is IP. They will hit your little hot rod shop with a fucking nuke.

I’m guessing unless Audi starts making us sign something at the time of purchase, that this thing is mine to do what I want. Be real hard for them to tell us otherwise. Now the epa is probably a different story. They can crack down on the tuning.


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[RS3TP]

Pretty soon well all get neutered and be totally whipped by all this headquarters intervention. WTF, whatever happened to I bought and paid for this and its mine to do what i want with it ...

[comingabriel]

We've been in "too good to be true" territory for a long time, and given the disproportionate resources in this arms race, plus the intensifying incentives of OEMs to have total control (not just for emissions reasons, but also rent-seeking with feature locks, etc), there's every reason to believe the party could be ending.

Of course, these things have always been true to varying degrees. But the scale of technological change is making things less and less small-d democratic. Right to Repair is tied up with Right to Tune and the little guy is losing both.

BMW or Audi or anyone don't want you futzing with a computer that is part of an ongoing revenue stream. Adjusting timing tables is one thing, what about turning on the Adaptive Cruise subscription for free? What happens if they hire the Disney lawyers? ECU code is IP. They will hit your little hot rod shop with a fucking nuke.

The new ecm update had any more intrusive features packed into it?

My mmi data (without a sim in) is constantly and remotely turned on.
The compenser helps more of their entrance thru the gate.
They are legal hackers of your car. Unless...

Edit: yes, processors can be accessed, remotely, even if off. Welcome to the new world.

[TheContrarian]

A big reason I bought my 8V RS3 was the existence of tuning options at the time of purchase. Buying a car without the ability to tune is like buying a car without a future.

[mtwallace85]

https://www.hgp-turbo.de/2-5-tfsi-2022-mit-ottopartikelfilter-opf.html

[Vegasgolds]

simple answer...... YES

follow this link for Unitronic..... https://www.getunitronic.com/ecu-tuning/audi-rs3-8y

[mtwallace85]

simple answer...... YES

follow this link for Unitronic..... https://www.getunitronic.com/ecu-tuning/audi-rs3-8y

There’s nothing for sale. I think it’s obvious people are trying to develop a tune and that’s all this link is saying Unitronic is doing too.

[jh901]

Seems we are in for a long delay. If DS1 isn't close, then I'm not confident. I had thought that perhaps the Russia/Ukraine situation was a barrier. Could be wrong, but aren't the hackers over that way?

[myrder]

simple answer...... YES

follow this link for Unitronic..... https://www.getunitronic.com/ecu-tuning/audi-rs3-8y

hahahahha just like the flex fuel for the 8v?

[tegxsi]

Seems we are in for a long delay. If DS1 isn't close, then I'm not confident.

As far as I know, DS has the 2.5T on the bottom of the list so they may take a while.
They won't be the first...most likely the last to market but their custom features are far superior.

Usually their top priority is 4.0T and I'm guessing the 2.9T/3.0T MG1 will follow. They may still get side tracked with their V10 development because it's just pure awesome not having to go standalone for turbos.

Knowledge gained from the 4.0T MG1 will probably trickle down and speed up development other ECU's.

[Veneeringman]

JB4 here for the time being.

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[Crowlski]

JB4 here for the time being.

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Are you running that JB4 on an 8Y?

[Veneeringman]

Are you running that JB4 on an 8Y?

Yes sir.


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[Crowlski]

Yes sir.


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Any issues? Codes? I have my JB4 from my 2020 RS3 ready to go but George from BMS says it needs a software tweak to work on the 8Y US version...

[kornsined]

Nice! Hopefully this can help me sell mine from my 8V.

[Veneeringman]

Any issues? Codes? I have my JB4 from my 2020 RS3 ready to go but George from BMS says it needs a software tweak to work on the 8Y US version...

No issues as of yet.

When I first fitted the JB4 I was finding the car didn’t like the top pressure sensor being unplugged for some reason.

I’ve now come to the conclusion that it’s best to pop the bonnet then wait while the car shuts down, this way doesn’t bring any warning lights on.


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[Crowlski]

No issues as of yet.

When I first fitted the JB4 I was finding the car didn’t like the top pressure sensor being unplugged for some reason.

I’ve now come to the conclusion that it’s best to pop the bonnet then wait while the car shuts down, this way doesn’t bring any warning lights on.


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Good to know. Did you data log at all? Assuming there is a noticeable difference from stock? How many miles were on your 8Y when you put the JB4 on?

[coolwater]

JB4 here for the time being.

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How did you feed the ODB connection thru firewall. Any tips? Looks like my Rs5 jb4 works on the rs3 also with different firmware.

-cW


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[Veneeringman]

How did you feed the ODB connection thru firewall. Any tips? Looks like my Rs5 jb4 works on the rs3 also with different firmware.

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[coolwater]

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Thanks! Was it easy to get the inside panels off to access the pass thru? Looks like only up to map3 is supported currently.

-cW


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[Veneeringman]

Thanks! Was it easy to get the inside panels off to access the pass thru? Looks like only up to map3 is supported currently.

-cW


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On my Uk car it’s a visible rubber grommet up on the passenger side closer to the outside ‘side’ of the car if that makes sense.

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[S3DUDE]

To the OP. I know you started this topic 5 months ago. I am 5 month late to responding you but I am 100% certain, YES. It make take a few months for the big tuners to release their tunes but there are already piggy backs and power boxes in the market. The engine on the 2023 is virtually identical to the previous years so it is a matter of just cracking the ECM/ECU and copying the files. Cracking the ECM seems to be the challenging part.

[Alex D]

To the OP. I know you started this topic 5 months ago. I am 5 month late to responding you but I am 100% certain, YES. It make take a few months for the big tuners to release their tunes but there are already piggy backs and power boxes in the market. The engine on the 2023 is virtually identical to the previous years so it is a matter of just cracking the ECM/ECU and copying the files. Cracking the ECM seems to be the challenging part.

Not sure if there is any confirmation that the motor is exactly the same. They do not share the same engine code so it is quite possible there are minor differences.

[Loe]

With piggybacks like JB4 you are raising the boost and relying on the ECU to pull timing to optimize power. It works if you don't over do it. A splash of E85 is what makes JB4 shine.

this, e85 is the saving grace to clean up the logs to zero or near zero corrections.

But the JB4 seems to work fine, I believe I've seen some logs with near zero corrections get to near 18-19* of timing up top. I believe Tony himself ran 10.8@128mph on his TTRS with just a 22psi map, e30 pump/e85 a few years back as well so it's not too far off from those running 93 stage 1 files w/ a splash of e85 as well.

[RScheiss3]

Recently cracked the mk8 golf ecu’s, it’s only a matter of time now!

[mtwallace85]

To the OP. I know you started this topic 5 months ago. I am 5 month late to responding you but I am 100% certain, YES. It make take a few months for the big tuners to release their tunes but there are already piggy backs and power boxes in the market. The engine on the 2023 is virtually identical to the previous years so it is a matter of just cracking the ECM/ECU and copying the files. Cracking the ECM seems to be the challenging part.

The challenge is the ECU, the engine being nearly identical doesn’t really help in this scenario. Yes they already have the maps ready to go more or less, but they’re having a hell of a time cracking it. Yes I know it will be cracked, I’m not implying it won’t.

[tegxsi]

MK8 uses Continental Simos 19.8.
I don't think the protection Simos is as difficult as Bosch MG1 that 8Y has

[Patrizioaudi]

https://www.mtm-online.de/en/configurator/#/tuning/RS38Y294Q

Mtm Stage 1 and 2

[DanMPower]

https://www.mtm-online.de/en/configurator/#/tuning/RS38Y294Q

Mtm Stage 1 and 2

Are those prices correct?

$7000 for stage 1 plus 5-day installation?
$12,000 for stage 2 plus 5-day installation?

If so my guess is they are replacing the entire ECU with a flashable unit just like the BMW guys are doing?

[Patrizioaudi]

Are those prices correct?

$7000 for stage 1 plus 5-day installation?
$12,000 for stage 2 plus 5-day installation?

If so my guess is they are replacing the entire ECU with a flashable unit just like the BMW guys are doing?

I don’t know, but they are so near Ingolstad….

[b1aZe]

Are those prices correct?

$7000 for stage 1 plus 5-day installation?
$12,000 for stage 2 plus 5-day installation?

If so my guess is they are replacing the entire ECU with a flashable unit just like the BMW guys are doing?

I’d call that an “OOOFFFFFF…”

[Alex D]

Are those prices correct?

$7000 for stage 1 plus 5-day installation?
$12,000 for stage 2 plus 5-day installation?

If so my guess is they are replacing the entire ECU with a flashable unit just like the BMW guys are doing?

Wonder if they are just using a piggyback as noone has confirmed a successful tune of the MG1 ECU.

[Loe]

Wonder if they are just using a piggyback as noone has confirmed a successful tune of the MG1 ECU.

It may just be a new ECU altogether since they also advertise their Cantronic aka Piggy as well and it's cheaper.


Side Note with MG1, if I remember correctly, BMW caught on with the unlocks and they required a software update for any warranty work which created additional hurdles and made it unlockable. I would imagine Audi would follow the same as well via software "enhancements"

[Auditude437]

Hopefully its just an issue of time.... Would love to see how this new platform will fare against the 8V/8S generation.

[DanMPower]

Hopefully its just an issue of time.... Would love to see how this new platform will fare against the 8V/8S generation.

I don't see how it could fare any better or worse as far as straight-line performance potential once the ECU is fully tuneable since they use the same identical engine/transmission. The rear end "might" be a weak link on the 8Y because of all the extra electronic gizmos though.

[coolwater]

On my Uk car it’s a visible rubber grommet up on the passenger side closer to the outside ‘side’ of the car if that makes sense.

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Thanks. So here is what I see on my US car. I am ofcourse left hand drive.

On the inside I see two insulated grommets. One looks to line up with my circled yellow panel in the engine bay.

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And then I have the grommet that looks like what you shared, but no idea where it exits in the engine. I’m assuming it will exit a little to the fender side/right side of the circled yellow. Behind the battery contacts for jumpstart?

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[Veneeringman]

Thanks. So here is what I see on my US car. I am ofcourse left hand drive.

On the inside I see two insulated grommets. One looks to line up with my circled yellow panel in the engine bay.

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And then I have the grommet that looks like what you shared, but no idea where it exits in the engine. I’m assuming it will exit a little to the fender side/right side of the circled yellow. Behind the battery contacts for jumpstart?

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Yes that’s it.

I poked a hole thru the bottom of it In the centre of the widest part.

On a Uk car it comes out behind the ABS pump, which is why I used something bright coloured so I could see it in the bay.


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[Aj652]

Most people wouldn't buy their cars if they couldn't tune them. I chose which aftermarket turbo I was gonna use long before I bought the car and wouldn't have bought it if it couldn't be tuned.

[elijahallen]

Bringing this thread back to life. Any updates on tunes from Unitronic, APR, IE, etc. for the 8Y RS3?

[tegxsi]

Follow companies like AutoTuner or Alientech. They are usually the ones that come up with the solution to unlock the ECU/TCU.
Bench unlock will probably be come first. Once they figure out how to unlock through OBD, it will trickle down to the common known tuners.

[NapalmEnema]

To me, why would any company bother putting in the time and effort? The RS3 8Y has so few cars even out in the wild and of that number only a percentage would ever modify. With such a tiny pool of cars and an unknown future, I'd say we won't see that soon / ever. If I were making tunes for cars this platform would be pretty far down on the list. Not because it's not worth it, but the ROI is poor.

[tegxsi]

To me, why would any company bother putting in the time and effort? The RS3 8Y has so few cars even out in the wild and of that number only a percentage would ever modify. With such a tiny pool of cars and an unknown future, I'd say we won't see that soon / ever. If I were making tunes for cars this platform would be pretty far down on the list. Not because it's not worth it, but the ROI is poor.

Once they figure out how to unlock the new generation of Audi MG1, that open the flood gates for tuning many other Audi's on the same boat.

[Alex D]

Bringing this thread back to life. Any updates on tunes from Unitronic, APR, IE, etc. for the 8Y RS3?

RSR Motorsport out of Slovenia has claimed to have unlocked the ecu. They are planning to release to market in March according to their posts.

[NapalmEnema]

Once they figure out how to unlock the new generation of Audi MG1, that open the flood gates for tuning many other Audi's on the same boat.

Ah ok that makes sense then. Thnx

[okswerve16]

I recently reached out to APR and Unitronic and they both gave no updates beyond they are still locked but they are working on them

[GTItoS4]

We do this dance with every new ECU generation for a year or so... "It's impossible! we'll never have tunes!" They eventually always solve it.

[TheContrarian]

A high % of owners modify.
Second, economics. Once you unlock and have tunes, there's little or no incremental cost when selling incremental units because it's an intangible that you can copy infinitely.

[elijahallen]

RSR Motorsport out of Slovenia has claimed to have unlocked the ecu. They are planning to release to market in March according to their posts.


Good to hear, I know once one comes out it puts a lot of pressure on the rest. I have no experience with RSR so I'll start watching their posts.

[mcmillion]

Saw this on IG
https://www.instagram.com/p/CpDhTY2oKo6/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[mcmillion]

This one also says they unlocked it
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoorDmAoiJb/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Hopefully some US Tuners will follow suit

[angry_audi]

Are those prices correct?

$7000 for stage 1 plus 5-day installation?
$12,000 for stage 2 plus 5-day installation?

If so my guess is they are replacing the entire ECU with a flashable unit just like the BMW guys are doing?

Might as well just go standalone, syvecs is under 5k...

[jh901]

I'm not in the market until next year, but sure do plan on an E85 tune and fuel sensor.

[fzr100098]

Might as well just go standalone, syvecs is under 5k...

It will end up costing closer to $10+k - not really an option for the average owner. Plus the added risks of using a standalone and loss of functionality, these modern cars are extremely complex, it's not like tossing a $1200 Haltech ECU in a '93 RX-7 and everything works fine because there are a limited number of simple inputs to the ECU. An 8Y RS-3 is night and day from that with multiple computers

If they can't unlock the stock ECU I don't think it's going anywhere

[Auditude437]

I am curious... I actually came from the B9 S4/S5 and that ECU took about a couple of years to get unlocked... Anyone know how long it took for the 8V/8S RS3/TTRS ECU to get unlocked?

[o1turbo30v]

I am curious... I actually came from the B9 S4/S5 and that ECU took about a couple of years to get unlocked... Anyone know how long it took for the 8V/8S RS3/TTRS ECU to get unlocked?

less than a year, found a youtube video from June 2018 with an APR tuned RS3. The issue with the 8Y which i forget which tuner said it, was that the new ecus have no read/write functionality, they are write only, so extremely challenging

[tegxsi]

I am curious... I actually came from the B9 S4/S5 and that ECU took about a couple of years to get unlocked... Anyone know how long it took for the 8V/8S RS3/TTRS ECU to get unlocked?

Many tuners knew how to unlock the 8V RS3 because it was an older ECU so it didn't take long.

I think the 8Y RS3 is in a similar situation as the B9 S4/S5/SQ5. Hopefully it won't take as long to unlock...if a user friendly OBD unlock/flashing solution possible.

[DanMPower]

It will end up costing closer to $10+k - not really an option for the average owner. Plus the added risks of using a standalone and loss of functionality, these modern cars are extremely complex, it's not like tossing a $1200 Haltech ECU in a '93 RX-7 and everything works fine because there are a limited number of simple inputs to the ECU. An 8Y RS-3 is night and day from that with multiple computers

If they can't unlock the stock ECU I don't think it's going anywhere

It's been 3 years and still, not a single company in the US has been able to crack the Bosch MG1 encryption on the B58/S58 cars, which includes an enormous range of vehicles in the BMW lineup. Only one company has an unlock solution and they are in Russia and now in Finland, so they have a monopoly on it, you have to send them your ECU across the globe. It's crazy that nobody in the US has figured it out in 3 years, imagine how much profit can be made if someone stateside can crack it. Those Russian guys "FEMTO" must have some kind of inside connection channel to be able to do it since Bosch boasts that ECU is unhackable. If nobody in the US has been able to crack that MG1 ECU used in a huge BMW range for the past 3 years, I doubt anybody would put that kind of investment and time into cracking the 8Y RS3 MG1 ECU with such limited profit potential. Hope I'm wrong though. I find it strange that once in a while some random company will boast that they have successfully ECU-tuned the 8Y RS3, only to disappear after one or two posts. Is Bosch sending out hitmen to these shops? LOL

[fzr100098]

It's crazy that nobody in the US has figured it out in 3 years

They are essentially impossible to crack, these tuners aren't miracle workers. Audi should sell a performance ECU like Aprilia does

[Jetdriver]

Any updates on 8Y tunes? Unitronic?

[Alex D]

Any updates on 8Y tunes? Unitronic?

No updates so far. Not sure how much effort they are really putting towards it considering the super small market for it. I think the efforts may be focused on other platforms.

[theverge]

No updates so far. Not sure how much effort they are really putting towards it considering the super small market for it. I think the efforts may be focused on other platforms.

Same ecu as on a bunch of bmws no? I suspect there is a lot of effort on it. Problem is you have tuners working on it, when you really need the he hacking community.

[Jetdriver]

I am afraid to say it, but a Piggy-back, like the Burger unit, may be the only option.

[FSTSNAL]

There is an option out of Germany but the price is something rediculous like $6k and not sure if they have options for us box codes or how you would even get it installed since no dealers for them here.

[JMVELA]

Anyone knows about the advertisement Unitronics has in their page about the new RS3 8Y which says "Unitronics Stage 1 under development." ?? What is going on with this? Is this true?

https://www.getunitronic.com/ecu-tuning/audi-rs3-8y

[grandpab]

Anyone knows about the advertisement Unitronics has in their page about the new RS3 8Y which says "Unitronics Stage 1 under development." ?? What is going on with this? Is this true?

https://www.getunitronic.com/ecu-tuning/audi-rs3-8y

They put that on their site August of last year and I haven't heard of any updates since then.

[RudyH]

Slovenia (my mom is from there actually, props to the folks for cracking it!) says:
https://www.rsrmotorsport.com/chip_tuning/poiscite_tuning_za_vase_vozilo/

$2,500 euro = $2,750 US

stock 400 hp / 294 kW = 394 hp / 500 Nm = 369 lbs-ft
stage I 480 hp / 353 kW = 474 hp / 630 Nm = 465 lbs-ft

[Jetdriver]

It's just not worth it. That's a lot if cash for less than 100hp gain.

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[kynovs4]

Slovenia (my mom is from there actually, props to the folks for cracking it!) says:
https://www.rsrmotorsport.com/chip_tuning/poiscite_tuning_za_vase_vozilo/

$2,500 euro = $2,750 US

stock 400 hp / 294 kW = 394 hp / 500 Nm = 369 lbs-ft
stage I 480 hp / 353 kW = 474 hp / 630 Nm = 465 lbs-ft

Seems awfully sketchy. Their instagram account posted that its unlocked and then disappeared and haven't posted since. Sounds like a scam.

[elijahallen]

Slovenia (my mom is from there actually, props to the folks for cracking it!) says:
https://www.rsrmotorsport.com/chip_tuning/poiscite_tuning_za_vase_vozilo/

$2,500 euro = $2,750 US

stock 400 hp / 294 kW = 394 hp / 500 Nm = 369 lbs-ft
stage I 480 hp / 353 kW = 474 hp / 630 Nm = 465 lbs-ft

I emailed them and asked if they had options for US cars and they said no and that they need the car there to tune it.

[signde]

i’m an 8V guy so tell me to take a hike if this is way off but isn’t this encouraging for you all that APR just dropped a tune for the GTS 4.0 that is the same? similar? bosch MGU1 ECU as the 8Y RS3?

https://www.goapr.com/blog/post/apr_ecu_and_tcu_upgrades_for_the_porsche_718_cayma n_boxster_and_spyder_gt4_gts_with_the_4_0l_engine_/

[elijahallen]

i’m an 8V guy so tell me to take a hike if this is way off but isn’t this encouraging for you all that APR just dropped a tune for the GTS 4.0 that is the same? similar? bosch MGU1 ECU as the 8Y RS3?

https://www.goapr.com/blog/post/apr_ecu_and_tcu_upgrades_for_the_porsche_718_cayma n_boxster_and_spyder_gt4_gts_with_the_4_0l_engine_/

Thats a good sign, I hope they are getting close. I've never had to drive a car stock for this long and am getting bored!

[RScheiss3]

I reached out to APR directly to see if they indeed were able to crack the 2021+ Bosch MG1 ECU's (including the 8Y RS3) and just got a reply of "that platform is currently in for research and development".

Keeping watch on this also, appreciate the update.

[kynovs4]

i’m an 8V guy so tell me to take a hike if this is way off but isn’t this encouraging for you all that APR just dropped a tune for the GTS 4.0 that is the same? similar? bosch MGU1 ECU as the 8Y RS3?

https://www.goapr.com/blog/post/apr_ecu_and_tcu_upgrades_for_the_porsche_718_cayma n_boxster_and_spyder_gt4_gts_with_the_4_0l_engine_/

Soul Performance has had a tune out for these models since early 2021. Leads me to believe the ECUs are different.

[RScheiss3]

Yea a lot of companies have, however APR states up to 2023 so it's interesting but I would tend to agree the ECU's must be different (software or security wise).

[signde]

Makes sense APR would start with Porsche here. They are asking $2500 for that tune, that's the most expensive APR tune I've seen yet. Kind of normal pricing by p-car standards but since they dropped Stage 23, APR dropped their tuning prices and their tunes on average have been much cheaper than their competition.

[ECNMY R]

i’m an 8V guy so tell me to take a hike if this is way off but isn’t this encouraging for you all that APR just dropped a tune for the GTS 4.0 that is the same? similar? bosch MGU1 ECU as the 8Y RS3?

https://www.goapr.com/blog/post/apr_ecu_and_tcu_upgrades_for_the_porsche_718_cayma n_boxster_and_spyder_gt4_gts_with_the_4_0l_engine_/

I have an M-Engineering tune on my GTS 4.0, the sister company to DS1, so who knows what's going on. It's possible tuners have cracked the new ECU but don't want to be first-movers in an extremely small market. Maybe there just aren't enough 8Ys out there yet.

[HODL_B58]

So what can we put on cars without the tune? Intake, midpipe, intercooler, turbo inlet..? If we did this but no tune, would it become a warranty issue or no? I’m readily waiting for a tune and want to get started or should I just throttle it in stock form in meantime?

[Auditude437]

Just curious..... are any of the 8Y RS3 owners here going to sell their cars if somehow a tune is not able to come out?

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[grandpab]

Just curious..... are any of the 8Y RS3 owners here going to sell their cars if somehow a tune is not able to come out?

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I bought it with no plans to tune and I don't like JB4s. I'll be keeping it for a while. It helps that there's also absolutely nothing out there I'd want to replace it with.

[fzr100098]

Just curious..... are any of the 8Y RS3 owners here going to sell their cars if somehow a tune is not able to come out?

I might - I bought this car under the assumption of easy path to 500 whp on 93 pump and it doesn't look like that is going to happen anytime soon. Unitronic told me they don't have an ETA on the tune. Still like the car, just needs a little "more* (and more sound)

My options to get there ($85k budget) are CT4V BW or M4. Can't do the M2

[noseyp]

So what can we put on cars without the tune? Intake, midpipe, intercooler, turbo inlet..? If we did this but no tune, would it become a warranty issue or no? I’m readily waiting for a tune and want to get started or should I just throttle it in stock form in meantime?

I take my 8V to the dealer because I have audi care. It has all the parts you list and more but I flash it back to stock for dealer visits. Dealer hasn't given me a TD1 or said anything threatening. I doubt they'd honor warranty work if something happens but they haven't black marked the car.

[DarthBalls]

Has anyone experienced issues with the JB4 on the 8Y? I've had JB4 products on my BMW's in the past and never had an issue. Never pushed them either, was running conservative maps and just getting about an extra 40hp/60 ft/lb of torque. So nothing big, but more what i thought my 335 should have been stock. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has been running one. I think the ECU crack will lead to the big HP figures, but I'm hoping to get to roughly 500hp at the crank, so i think that would be possible with parts available now and the JB4? Or am I way off?

Thanks!
J

[Jetdriver]

Has anyone experienced issues with the JB4 on the 8Y? I've had JB4 products on my BMW's in the past and never had an issue. Never pushed them either, was running conservative maps and just getting about an extra 40hp/60 ft/lb of torque. So nothing big, but more what i thought my 335 should have been stock. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has been running one. I think the ECU crack will lead to the big HP figures, but I'm hoping to get to roughly 500hp at the crank, so i think that would be possible with parts available now and the JB4? Or am I way off?

Thanks!
J

JP4 has a forum for the RS3.

https://www.jb4tech.com/forum/model-specific-engine-tuning-modification-discussion/vw-audi-group/24384-jb4-for-2018-audi-rs3-ttrs/page31

I think it's the way to go if you are concerned about warranty or at least more so than an ECU flash. Looks like 50hp/50tq is doable on 93 octane without having to use E85. I'm sure adding an aftermarket IC would help add some cushion.

[HODL_B58]

Just curious..... are any of the 8Y RS3 owners here going to sell their cars if somehow a tune is not able to come out?


GTFO here with that negativity! We have JB4, and we’ll get tunes! But yes, if it came down between a stock RS3 and a tuned M3 or M440i I’d go BMW but we’ll get tuned. I really need a trans tune.

[kynovs4]

I take my 8V to the dealer because I have audi care. It has all the parts you list and more but I flash it back to stock for dealer visits. Dealer hasn't given me a TD1 or said anything threatening. I doubt they'd honor warranty work if something happens but they haven't black marked the car.

You are wasting your time flashing back to stock. For any warranty work they need to perform a "deep scan" and send the logs to Audi in order to get reimbursed for the warranty repair. It would get flagged then.

[noseyp]

You are wasting your time flashing back to stock. For any warranty work they need to perform a "deep scan" and send the logs to Audi in order to get reimbursed for the warranty repair. It would get flagged then.

I don't disagree that they'd give me a TD 1 and not honor warranty if something broke because they can see the ECU flash count. Avoiding the TD 1 label is worth the 1 hour total it takes once a year to flash back to stock and then back to the tune. Easier to resell (among other things) even if it's obvious to everyone that the car was tuned at one point given the hardware modifications. If I do sell it'd be after factory warranty period anyway so I don't feel guilty.

[RudyH]

JP4 has a forum for the RS3.

https://www.jb4tech.com/forum/model-specific-engine-tuning-modification-discussion/vw-audi-group/24384-jb4-for-2018-audi-rs3-ttrs/page31

I think it's the way to go if you are concerned about warranty or at least more so than an ECU flash. Looks like 50hp/50tq is doable on 93 octane without having to use E85. I'm sure adding an aftermarket IC would help add some cushion.

I think this is also something big to consider.
Most people don't look to purposely void their cars warranty until it's close to the end. Companies then have 2-3 yrs to start building for the platform and set a goal to be ready for the first folks out of warranty bumper to bumper to start.

Unitronic I know imported their 8Y RS3 from the US (not available in Canada) just so they can be ready. I am sure there are a lot of other companies in the same boat.

To worry about not having a tune in 2022-2023 should be a non-factor IMO, spring 2024 should be a bit nervous if still no rumours or anything on the market. 2025 you should start sweating.

Till then JB4...keep your warranty.

For me, when I got my Golf R, I ran JB4 until 6 months before my warranty was going to expire. As part of an alignment at the dealership, I needed to get the ACC adjusted, at which point the dealership plugged my car into their computer and I immediately got TD1'd....so the service consultant had to have that 'hard talk with me about TD1'. Of course I laughed and shrugged it off. I NEVER had a problem with the JB4 and warranty / TD1. Just don't break anything that they have to go looking for why it broke.

[signde]

I don't disagree that they'd give me a TD 1 and not honor warranty if something broke because they can see the ECU flash count. Avoiding the TD 1 label is worth the 1 hour total it takes once a year to flash back to stock and then back to the tune. Easier to resell (among other things) even if it's obvious to everyone that the car was tuned at one point given the hardware modifications. If I do sell it'd be after factory warranty period anyway so I don't feel guilty.

flashing back to stock has not saved your car from getting a TD1. they simply haven't been asked/told by audi to scan it.

i say this as someone who does have a TD1 flagged 8V over a weeping water pump.

the car is tuned. whether it is flagged or not is moot. the moment it needs anything powertrain related, it will be flagged. thinking there is something better about it not being flagged is a high level of mental gymnastics.

[noseyp]

flashing back to stock has not saved your car from getting a TD1. they simply haven't been asked/told by audi to scan it.

i say this as someone who does have a TD1 flagged 8V over a weeping water pump.

the car is tuned. whether it is flagged or not is moot. the moment it needs anything powertrain related, it will be flagged. thinking there is something better about it not being flagged is a high level of mental gymnastics.

Not trying to start an argument but there is some value in not getting an explicit TD 1 flag. Best example is selling the car. You obviously wouldn't care but there are some buyers who would. There are also known examples of tuned cars getting warranty work done. I wouldn't bet on it but the chances are much higher if you decided to not be lazy and spend 30 min flashing the car back to stock before going in. Service advisors & techs are also much easier to work with if the car is on the stock tune.

The original question was if hardware mods only on an 8Y would trigger a TD 1. My experience getting dealer serviced with hardware mods and a stock tune (at the time of service) is that they won't TD 1 you just for hardware mods.

[Jetdriver]

I think this is also something big to consider.
Most people don't look to purposely void their cars warranty until it's close to the end. Companies then have 2-3 yrs to start building for the platform and set a goal to be ready for the first folks out of warranty bumper to bumper to start.

Unitronic I know imported their 8Y RS3 from the US (not available in Canada) just so they can be ready. I am sure there are a lot of other companies in the same boat.

To worry about not having a tune in 2022-2023 should be a non-factor IMO, spring 2024 should be a bit nervous if still no rumours or anything on the market. 2025 you should start sweating.

Till then JB4...keep your warranty.

For me, when I got my Golf R, I ran JB4 until 6 months before my warranty was going to expire. As part of an alignment at the dealership, I needed to get the ACC adjusted, at which point the dealership plugged my car into their computer and I immediately got TD1'd....so the service consultant had to have that 'hard talk with me about TD1'. Of course I laughed and shrugged it off. I NEVER had a problem with the JB4 and warranty / TD1. Just don't break anything that they have to go looking for why it broke.


So what you're saying is that with JB4, you won't get TD1'd?

[CavEsk1337]

So what you're saying is that with JB4, you won't get TD1'd?

Despite what people think, you can get TD1'd via JB4. If they look hard enough, they can find it. signde said it best i think.

[FSTSNAL]

Anyone any experience with the racingline option? Is it a replacement ecu? Any issues with it? All other options seem to be piggyback and then 1 or 2 questionable options ridiculously priced that seem to be soldered on eeproms

[elijahallen]

Anyone any experience with the racingline option? Is it a replacement ecu? Any issues with it? All other options seem to be piggyback and then 1 or 2 questionable options ridiculously priced that seem to be soldered on eeproms

I run the racingline piggyback ecu on mine. Its not a big gain but picked up 3mph in the 1/4 so not bad. No complaints, drives like stock with a bit more power.

[elijahallen]

Just curious..... are any of the 8Y RS3 owners here going to sell their cars if somehow a tune is not able to come out?

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I was thinking about selling mine if tunes didn't come out soon but Hank said it won't be long and his car is making 575hp so I'm assuming he is beta testing for unitronic.

[Alex D]

I was thinking about selling mine if tunes didn't come out soon but Hank said it won't be long and his car is making 575hp so I'm assuming he is beta testing for unitronic.

Hank is still on the JB4.

[elijahallen]

Hank is still on the JB4.

Making 575HP and telling me tunes are getting close? Its hard to imagine JB4 making that much power.

[Alex D]

Making 575HP and telling me tunes are getting close? Its hard to imagine JB4 making that much power.

I think he meant 575bhp, not whp. I recall him posting being on map 5 with a E30 mix which sounds about right for around 500-510whp.

[tegxsi]

I think it has a hybrid, JB4 and some sort of Syvecs port injector controller that allows full E85.

[Auditude437]

Has anyone heard of any updates? Probably won't mean much, but I think I read an irozmotorsports social media post this past month about how they're beginning to ramp up parts for the 8Y as the "ability to tune" comes closer and closer. Those were their exact words.

[grandpab]

Hank also said back in the middle of January that he'd "be shocked if full flashing isn’t opened up by end of the quarter", and we're way past that now.

APR said their exhaust was "coming soon" and it took them over 6 months after that to release it.

Hard to believe anything will be soon, unless it's actually announced with a release date.

[R.J]

Agreed! I just keep losing hope as time goes on haha. Really starting to consider JB4 now.

[coolwater]

You can pickup a used jb4 from the b9 s4/s5/rs5 folks for cheap to use for a bit. Just flash with the RS3 firmware and it’s good to go. Then resell later if you don’t need it. Prob won’t lose any money in the process other than shipping costs.

-cW


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[nimri09]

Making 575HP and telling me tunes are getting close? Its hard to imagine JB4 making that much power.

They made a custom tune file for e45 and thats what they run regularly. Dont know how much actual power its making, but i did get a hold of the tune so im gonna test it out next weekend

[Jetdriver]

As the 8Y becomes more and more attainable in the US, you'll see these tunes and parts become available. I mean, how many 8Y's are driving around US roads right now? 500? Since we are expecting a face-lift, we can assume Audi is going to go to MY27 or 28 with the 8Y. There are plenty of articles out there that confirm the current gen A3 platform will be here through MY27. This has been the story of my life with cars and is the downside to jumping into a new platform. Aside from my current car, a '17 WRX, which will be replaced by an 8Y when my order arrives, every other car I've had was behind in the mods scene for years, just about until I decided to sell the damn things. After I sold them, there was an explosion of mods available. I plan to stay patient with the 8Y. In fact, it's only gonna be my special occasion car, and I'll mod slowly. Luckily, the 8Y isn't too different from the previous gen aside from ECU encryption.

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[Alex D]

As the 8Y becomes more and more attainable in the US, you'll see these tunes and parts become available. I mean, how many 8Y's are driving around US roads right now? 500? Since we are expecting a face-lift, we can assume Audi is going to go to MY27 or 28 with the 8Y. There are plenty of articles out there that confirm the current gen A3 platform will be here through MY27. This has been the story of my life with cars and is the downside to jumping into a new platform. Aside from my current car, a '17 WRX, which will be replaced by an 8Y when my order arrives, every other car I've had was behind in the mods scene for years, just about until I decided to sell the damn things. After I sold them, there was an explosion of mods available. I plan to stay patient with the 8Y. In fact, it's only gonna be my special occasion car, and I'll mod slowly. Luckily, the 8Y isn't too different from the previous gen aside from ECU encryption.

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As of right now 331 were produced in 2022 and 751 in 2023 as the final production numbers for those years. From the way things look, it doesn't seem like 2024 will be much better.

[DarthBalls]

Wow! 751 in total for 2023, and only 331 in 2022. I think someone noted there were only 560ish imported to the US in 2023. These things really are pretty rare, hard to believe. But I assume the mods will continue to trickle in, but also guessing the $$$ is going to be much higher with there being fewer examples, thus limiting the number of units that can be bought/sold etc. R/D costs vs. potential market share = pricing in most cases.

[Alex D]

Wow! 751 in total for 2023, and only 331 in 2022. I think someone noted there were only 560ish imported to the US in 2023. These things really are pretty rare, hard to believe. But I assume the mods will continue to trickle in, but also guessing the $$$ is going to be much higher with there being fewer examples, thus limiting the number of units that can be bought/sold etc. R/D costs vs. potential market share = pricing in most cases.

It was 560ish but that number was premature. 751 seems to be final production count for 2023 as i've checked with Audi NA over the past few months and the number hasn't moved so safe say for now.

[DanMPower]

Hank also said back in the middle of January that he'd "be shocked if full flashing isn’t opened up by end of the quarter", and we're way past that now.

APR said their exhaust was "coming soon" and it took them over 6 months after that to release it.

Hard to believe anything will be soon, unless it's actually announced with a release date.

You silly guy, you need to have more faith in these tuning companies. The 8V is getting flex fuel from Unitronic in 2 weeks don't you know?

[theverge]

You silly guy, you need to have more faith in these tuning companies. The 8V is getting flex fuel from Unitronic in 2 weeks don't you know?

You don't need a tuning company to fix this problem. Hence the lack of faith.

[Auditude437]

You don't need a tuning company to fix this problem. Hence the lack of faith.


I think his post was satire haha. #2weeks.

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[John@DEADBEEF_DynoSp]

We pretty much have a flasher for 1000 versions of VAG MGD1 ready to beta test soon although it will be under a different company name to be unveiled as it is a completely different product to DS1. The 8Y files have frf available but the encryption key is different on a quick look. Also MQB Evo seems to use CAN FD where MLB Evo uses flexray. This has positive implications for standalone support if the 8Y ECU flashing takes a lot longer.

[DumpsterRatz]

why is there already tunes for the 8Y S3? the e 8Y Rs3 has different ecu?

[John@DEADBEEF_DynoSp]

why is there already tunes for the 8Y S3? the e 8Y Rs3 has different ecu?

Yes the S3 is Continental, RS3 is Bosch.

[JMVELA]

We pretty much have a flasher for 1000 versions of VAG MGD1 ready to beta test soon although it will be under a different company name to be unveiled as it is a completely different product to DS1. The 8Y files have frf available but the encryption key is different on a quick look. Also MQB Evo seems to use CAN FD where MLB Evo uses flexray. This has positive implications for standalone support if the 8Y ECU flashing takes a lot longer.

Hi! Lets say that we don't get access to the RS3 8Y ECU and the only option would be standalone, what would happen with the transmission tuning? Is this only be tunable directly to the ECU or can it be tunned via standalone?

[Alex D]

Hi! Lets say that we don't get access to the RS3 8Y ECU and the only option would be standalone, what would happen with the transmission tuning? Is this only be tunable directly to the ECU or can it be tunned via standalone?

Historically, The Dyno Spectrum team has always left the TCU tuning to other companies. They have always solely focused on ECU tuning to my knowledge.

[200Audi]

Are any of you using a piggyback tune? How is it?


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[coolwater]

Are any of you using a piggyback tune? How is it?


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Quite a few folks that are tuned are running JB4 boxes. Excellent results. Super smooth. I’ve seen some guys run sub 11 second 1/4 mile with just an intake and e85 mix.

-cW


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[200Audi]

Quite a few folks that are tuned are running JB4 boxes. Excellent results. Super smooth. I’ve seen some guys run sub 11 second 1/4 mile with just an intake and e85 mix.

-cW


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Not bad, I wanted to stay in 91 or 93, but is good to know we have the option.


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[fzr100098]

Quite a few folks that are tuned are running JB4 boxes. Excellent results. Super smooth.

What power are they making on a dyno on 93 pump gas? I'd be shocked it it's much more than 475 whp

[coolwater]

What power are they making on a dyno on 93 pump gas? I'd be shocked it it's much more than 475 whp

https://youtu.be/VtJ6LwDlQMk?si=6OFdBSvBmVWPv45r

This guy logged and dragy on different maps.

-cW


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[fzr100098]

Hopefully they throw it on a dyno

[Def_Jukie]

Hopefully they throw it on a dyno

Check out 10:36 of the video

[fzr100098]

Thanks - I was close!

[John@DEADBEEF_DynoSp]

Hi! Lets say that we don't get access to the RS3 8Y ECU and the only option would be standalone, what would happen with the transmission tuning? Is this only be tunable directly to the ECU or can it be tunned via standalone?

Some new TCUs are locked. It isn’t usually a hard torque limit and you do not need to mis-scale torque if you can flash the ECU or use a standalone. You may be limited in the more extreme clutch pressures you may wish for more extensive mods usually for built engines without being able to flash the TCU though.

[Jetdriver]

What power are they making on a dyno on 93 pump gas? I'd be shocked it it's much more than 475 whpI believe Burger went from 376whp to 424whp on 93, map 3.... so, basically a 50whp gain on pump gas with no other mods. I suppose with an IC upgrade, intake, and a turbo inlet elbow, it'd be closer to 450-460. Apparently, the JB4 is ignition timing limited compared to a tune.

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[Auditude437]

So it's starting to seem like nothing will happen in 2023 as the year slowly comes to an end... Hope 2024 will be the year they crack it.

[JMVELA]

I have lost hope in this. Hope Syvecs comes out with a solution faster.

[theverge]

I think his post was satire haha. #2weeks.

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Say what?

[fzr100098]

Days of $600 flash tunes are over, now it's $2500-$3000+ and you send your ECU to Russia or some nonsense (I was following an M2 tuner thread)

Manufacturers got they wanted, crackdown on tuners

[theverge]

Days of $600 flash tunes are over, now it's $2500-$3000+ and you send your ECU to Russia or some nonsense (I was following an M2 tuner thread)

Manufacturers got they wanted, crackdown on tuners

There's probably a way, but it's not as easy as uploading a new file.

[Jetdriver]

Days of $600 flash tunes are over, now it's $2500-$3000+ and you send your ECU to Russia or some nonsense (I was following an M2 tuner thread)

Manufacturers got they wanted, crackdown on tunersAnything is crackable. If the Russians can do it, others can, and when they do, the price will fall.

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[Veneeringman]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0_npBoIn4d/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==


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[Egzek]

It seems the ECU has been finally unlocked!
Here you can find the post (Polish company):

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid03sAYouUfSr9XcVtkHKkj7kS XjnLBVnT41rzLob5QeUStfx8Xh43wZ4kbM5ji6j3vl&id=10006455041802

[theverge]

It seems the ECU has been finally unlocked!
Here you can find the post (Polish company):

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid03sAYouUfSr9XcVtkHKkj7kS XjnLBVnT41rzLob5QeUStfx8Xh43wZ4kbM5ji6j3vl&id=10006455041802

Sure if you live in Poland, this isn't new. People are wanting a remote way to upload a new tune.

[Jetdriver]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0_npBoIn4d/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==


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[Egzek]

Sure if you live in Poland, this isn't new. People are wanting a remote way to upload a new tune.

I believe previously it was done via changing the ECU, and only now it has been cracked - that's what they told me.

[Fixeroh]

Dammit, we won't be able to use a tune developed in Poland. Our Polish friends use the metric system and the US is stubborn and continues with Imperial measurements. LOL. Promising news if the ECUs are being cracked however. I ran APR tunes on my S3 and current RS3. Quite pleased overall.

[kevin#34]

also to be taken in account, EU models have OPF, so the ECU map might be not perfectly fiiting US engine version (no OPF)

[JustinP142]

Iroz just made a post on their socials possibly referring to Ecu Tune. Speculation at this point but we could finally have something here.

[tegxsi]

I have a feeling Syvecs is coming.

[o1turbo30v]

I have a feeling Syvecs is coming.

Since it’s from Iroz yes it’s either going to be Syvecs or 8V ecu retrofit lol

[Jetdriver]

I have a feeling Syvecs is coming.Overkill, unless you're going for insane power. It's a $5k+ ECU. Not going to be for those who only want an extra 75-100whp. Hopefully, there are more down-to-earth options... eventually.

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[Amirh87]

Iroz just made a post on their socials possibly referring to Ecu Tune. Speculation at this point but we could finally have something here.

Word on the street..unitronic is coming out this year.

I say this with no actual proof just rumors from people I talk to.


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[Jetdriver]

Word on the street..unitronic is coming out this year.

I say this with no actual proof just rumors from people I talk to.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWell, given the fact that it's the second week of January, we may be looking at almost a whole year before we see anything.

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[Amirh87]

Touche. But I have a feeling it’ll be by end of Q1


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[o1turbo30v]

Touche. But I have a feeling it’ll be by end of Q1


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in what year? #2weeks

[Jetdriver]

Touche. But I have a feeling it’ll be by end of Q1


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat would be nice. Expecting delivery of my '24 late April.

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[integroid]

It's been #2weeks. Any updated rumors?

[Rguy]

Yea that tease was almost mean. How about a timeline? We talking a year? Weeks? Days? Is it even POSSIBLE?

[grandpab]

Iroz has been saying tunes are coming soon since Feb of last year so take anything coming from them with a grain of salt. lol

[JMVELA]

Iroz has been saying tunes are coming soon since Feb of last year so take anything coming from them with a grain of salt. lol

Like a month ago he posted, Who is ready? and nothing has showed up, so I don't know what to expect.

[kevin#34]

8Y ECU definitively unlocked (at least here in Italy)

https://www.biesseracingbergamo.com/audi-rs3-8y-ecu-stage1/

[Rguy]

They gonna share their tech or get a US/world distributor to sell their tunes....?

[Jetdriver]

There are plenty of EU companies who have unlocked the 8Y ECU already.

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[Jetdriver]

Interesting, though, that their "Stage 1" car has a downpipe, full exhaust, Eventuri intake with inlet pipe. Not reeeeeeally Stage 1, IMO. I thought 489whp seemed a wee bit high.

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[HODL_B58]

I stopped by the Hub motor sports to talk about build. Sounds like Hank is coming this week to do some Syvecs tuning. That’s available right now and testing although I don’t love idea of being beta tester, I need that power and wavetrac.

I know that’s not the OTS tunes everyone is waiting for, but an option. I might go with the 950R at Shawn’s recommendation

[Rguy]

With this "oh its coming but maybe it isnt!" IG posts, Im going to be forced to get a JB4 arent i ?

[Jetdriver]

With this "oh its coming but maybe it isnt!" IG posts, Im going to be forced to get a JB4 arent i ?I know... it's tempting. I don't want to have to run E85, though so I will resist temptation.

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[kynovs4]

8Y ECU definitively unlocked (at least here in Italy)

https://www.biesseracingbergamo.com/audi-rs3-8y-ecu-stage1/

Its bench unlocked which has been around for a while. Requires you to remove your ECU and send it to them where they essentially clone it. Still no access through the OBD port.

[Rguy]

Who is bench unlocking these and allowing tuning in the US?

[Chris F]

I've worked in embedded software for 20+ years and lack of OBD access/flash tunes after 2 years given the motivation/money involved for success suggests to me it's likely never to happen; there is some kind of major encryption hurdle which cannot be overcome. :(

I really really REALLY hope to be wrong btw....

[Rguy]

Yea but they you get that tease from iroz but no follow up on what they meant by it....

[Jetdriver]

Where there is a will, there's a way. Anything can be unlocked, unless, of course, there is a physical hardware barrier.

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[kevin#34]

they don't mention if they work via OBD or at bench, anyway they are capable of reprogramming the ECU, therefore the car is definitely tuneable


Its bench unlocked which has been around for a while. Requires you to remove your ECU and send it to them where they essentially clone it. Still no access through the OBD port.

[fzr100098]

Plan on $2500+ - which means the customer base will be limited

[Jetdriver]

$2,500 is still cheap for another 80-100whp. A well-optioned M3 Competition is almost $100k with 490whp or so or at least that's how I look at it.

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[Fixeroh]

$2,500 is still cheap for another 80-100whp. A well-optioned M3 Competition is almost $100k with 490whp or so or at least that's how I look at it.

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I can concur with Jetdriver's statement. My last couple of APR tunes were around $800 but a great way to get easy horsepower. I would pony up $2500 for 80 to 100 hp for a quality tune. Besides the complexity of the 8Y ECU, wondering if the semi rarity of the 8Y RS3 is keeping some tuners from investing in the effort at all? Tuners need a return on their efforts of course.

[kynovs4]

I can concur with Jetdriver's statement. My last couple of APR tunes were around $800 but a great way to get easy horsepower. I would pony up $2500 for 80 to 100 hp for a quality tune. Besides the complexity of the 8Y ECU, wondering if the semi rarity of the 8Y RS3 is keeping some tuners from investing in the effort at all? Tuners need a return on their efforts of course.

Its not limited to the 8Y RS3. The BMW community is facing the same roadblock. Think of all the M3/M4, M340i and Supra owners. Whoever figures it out would be sitting on a goldmine.

[Rguy]

I think those cars are able to get unlocked via bench method, and then tuned any way you wish.

Id be ok with that on our platform too.

I think the CTR/ITS guys have to do this currently as well to get a hondata flash on their ECUs.

[Rguy]

Bottom line is, ANYTHING that gets us access to put a flash on these is badly needed.

[integroid]

Besides the complexity of the 8Y ECU, wondering if the semi rarity of the 8Y RS3 is keeping some tuners from investing in the effort at all? Tuners need a return on their efforts of course.

You nailed it. This is what is stopping two tuners I have talked to. They are spending their time and money in R&D on cars they can make the most ROI. How many 8Y RS3s do you think were sold? 3k maybe? out of those how many do you think will tune them? 10%? They are all waiting for someone else to hack it first and borrow their method:)

[Jetdriver]

You nailed it. This is what is stopping two tuners I have talked to. They are spending their time and money in R&D on cars they can make the most ROI. How many 8Y RS3s do you think were sold? 3k maybe? out of those how many do you think will tune them? 10%? They are all waiting for someone else to hack it first and borrow their method:)Well, we do know that Unitronic has their own 8Y. I think they have had it for a while now.

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[theverge]

You nailed it. This is what is stopping two tuners I have talked to. They are spending their time and money in R&D on cars they can make the most ROI. How many 8Y RS3s do you think were sold? 3k maybe? out of those how many do you think will tune them? 10%? They are all waiting for someone else to hack it first and borrow their method:)

It's the same ECU in a ton of BMW's, scarcity is NOT the reason. If they figure out how to write to the ECU, expect it to happen on a BMW car first.

[grandpab]

I think I read a comment about a porsche having the same ECU too, can't remember which one though.

[integroid]

Well, we do know that Unitronic has their own 8Y. I think they have had it for a while now.

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So does APR but they are not actively trying to find a tuning solution for their 8Y RS3.

[integroid]

It's the same ECU in a ton of BMW's, scarcity is NOT the reason. If they figure out how to write to the ECU, expect it to happen on a BMW car first.

Why would APR care about BMW? My point is they are not going to spend a lot of time or money on finding a tuning solution because the ROI is just not there on the 8Y RS3. Once someone is able to port flash the 8Y RS3, BMW, Porsche, with the same ecu, then you will see all the tuners with a solution for our cars.

[EAFLO88]

Plan on $2500+ - which means the customer base will be limited

Please stop sharing false information. Plenty of us have come from previous new cars that’s we’ve bought over the years and when a new car comes out, it’s the same shit. It takes time to unlock ECU’s and once tunes are available for retail, it’s no more than $1200-1,400. That’s regardless of make and model.

Will there be an ECU tune soon?Absolutely. We all know it.

I’d assume $1100 intro price and TCU will follow.

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[kynovs4]

Why would APR care about BMW? My point is they are not going to spend a lot of time or money on finding a tuning solution because the ROI is just not there on the 8Y RS3. Once someone is able to port flash the 8Y RS3, BMW, Porsche, with the same ecu, then you will see all the tuners with a solution for our cars.

Because this is not exclusively an Audi 8Y RS3 issue. This is a Bosch MG1 ECU issue. Bosch makes ECUs across many brands, notably BMW. The BMW user-base is much larger than Audi's worldwide. Once they figure out how to get past the bootloader on any of the Bosch MG1's, they can get past it on the others.

EDIT: Nevermind, I think we are sort of saying the same thing here. ;-)

[theverge]

Please stop sharing false information. Plenty of us have come from previous new cars that’s we’ve bought over the years and when a new car comes out, it’s the same shit. It takes time to unlock ECU’s and once tunes are available for retail, it’s no more than $1200-1,400. That’s regardless of make and model.

Will there be an ECU tune soon?Absolutely. We all know it.

I’d assume $1100 intro price and TCU will follow.

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Not trying to be abrasive, but this is a very different problem from past ECU's. I would honestly not be surprised if it's never unlocked for tuning in your garage with an adapter.

[fzr100098]

Please stop sharing false information.

Please shut your mouth until you know the facts, I'll be proven right (or close). Unless you've been living under a rock, "previous cars" is an irrelevant argument

[fzr100098]

This is the GM platform, but gives you an idea of what's involved:


The E99 ECM, which utilizes the NXP MPC5777C microcontroller unit (MCU), has its own security. Breaking down the E99 ECM features that must be overcome to accept aftermarket programming. The MPC5777C MCU comes in two ball grid array (BGA) packages, one with 516 pins and the other with 416 pins. The E99 ECM uses the 416 pin BGA package. BGA chips have all their pins surface mounted and are located below the chip making it impossible to probe directly. Understanding circuit paths, without a schematic, requires physical removal of the MCU and visual inspection of circuit traces. Reballing and resoldering the MCU to the ECM circuit board requires specific techniques and specialized equipment, costing thousands of dollars, to be done correctly.

Historical access to the serial debug ports, JTAG interface and the Boot Assist Module (BAM) has been denied by new security features native to the MPC5777C. It has programmable life cycle stages, and these stages can be advanced through, but never regressed. The MCU has device censorship settings that allow access to various flash memory spaces based on the life cycle stage. As the MCU advances through these stages, access is denied to settings that were programmed during earlier stages.

An example of this are the five passwords which, once created and stored in flash memory, are no longer readable once the MCU is advanced to the OEM_PROD lifecycle stage. They can be compared against using the built-in Password and Device Security Module (PASS) but can never be read directly. This means that the days of running code on the chip, assuming you could get code into the serial bootloader, to list the stored passwords are gone. We say assuming, because serial boot mode is disabled by the BAM once the MCU is advanced to the IN_FIELD lifecycle stage, which is the stage vehicle owners will be interacting with.

The passwords themselves are a daunting hurdle. Four of them control access to various memory locations and are required for programming. The fifth provides access to the JTAG debugging interface. All five are 256 bit and each has 1.158 x 10^77 combinations. Brute forcing them is probably not an option and, as mentioned above, the passwords are not retrievable directly from the MCU memory space.
Other security aspects of the MPC5777C include:

1. Tamper Detection Module which stores a diary of erase operations and, at a minimum, acts as an erase counter. The TDM stores these as One Time Programmable (OTP) memory blocks.
2. Onboard Cryptographic Services Engine (CSE) which handles the secured communications of the various networks, secure flash updates, protected data sets (such as vehicle mileage), Digital-Right-Management (DRM), Car to x communication, etc. CSE features secure storage for 25 128-bit cryptographic keys, AES-128 encryption/decryption, CMAC authentication, true RNG (random number generation), secure boot mode and system bus master interface.
3. Password and Device Security Module (PASS) which handles the Life Cycle status, password comparison, JTAG password access, Production Disable Control and Flash read, write, and erase control. It protects four memory regions with individual passwords for access control.
4. Life Cycle progression. There are five life cycle stages the MCU may be in. MCU Production, Customer Delivery, OEM Production, In Field and Failure Analysis. Each stage enables and disables varying access and features of the MCU via device censorship settings. Stages can be progressed to the next level but never regressed.
5. Secured Debug Access via JTAG Password
6. Security Watchdog routines.
7. Operating condition monitoring.

Gaining illegitimate access to the E99 and other ECMs which are part of GM’s VIP systems appears to be an extremely unlikely reality. In the event it WAS possible to reprogram the MCU in one of these ECMs, by replacing the MCU for one with known keys for example, the ECM would still need to be adopted by the VIP system, authenticated by the Serial Data Gateway Module, validated by the rest of the modules and sensors within the vehicle and sync’d to communicate with the rolling codes on the various CAN busses. There is a reason that the ECM, BCM, TCM and other VIP modules are required to be installed in the vehicle to be programmed using legitimate GM tools like the MDI-2 with GDS2 software. With GM’s Vehicle Intelligence Platform, you aren’t just programming one module, you are programming an entire integrated network of devices that all must be set to work together.

[Auditude437]

This is the GM platform, but gives you an idea of what's involved:10^^77 different possible combinations..... GG no re.

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[integroid]

Because this is not exclusively an Audi 8Y RS3 issue. This is a Bosch MG1 ECU issue. Bosch makes ECUs across many brands, notably BMW. The BMW user-base is much larger than Audi's worldwide. Once they figure out how to get past the bootloader on any of the Bosch MG1's, they can get past it on the others.

EDIT: Nevermind, I think we are sort of saying the same thing here. ;-)

LOL, yeah I think we were.

At first I thought you were trying to tell me that APR should try to tune a BMW....lol....That would Dinan, their sister company.

[Jetdriver]

8Y ECU definitively unlocked (at least here in Italy)

https://www.biesseracingbergamo.com/audi-rs3-8y-ecu-stage1/So... please explain how this company has unlocked the ECU given the aforementioned hurdles of the GM platform.

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[Rguy]

This MTM pages appears to suggest for 10k they can do it...

https://www.mtm-usa.com/collections/rs3-8y/products/mtm-ecu-conversion-stage-2-audi-rs3-8y-528-hp-incl-mtm-intake-kit

[grandpab]

This MTM pages appears to suggest for 10k they can do it...

https://www.mtm-usa.com/collections/rs3-8y/products/mtm-ecu-conversion-stage-2-audi-rs3-8y-528-hp-incl-mtm-intake-kit

I like the 1 review.

[kevin#34]

I am not capable of expaining how (and neither interested), I just reported what they advertise on their website, following Italian customer statements about 8Y tune fianlly tuneable.
jusyt to be clear, I don't have any connection with the forementioned tuner, and zero interest in publishing their tuning ability




So... please explain how this company has unlocked the ECU given the aforementioned hurdles of the GM platform.

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[integroid]

This MTM pages appears to suggest for 10k they can do it...

https://www.mtm-usa.com/collections/rs3-8y/products/mtm-ecu-conversion-stage-2-audi-rs3-8y-528-hp-incl-mtm-intake-kit

For $10K you could probably get Hank to tune it with Syvecs

[Jetdriver]

I am not capable of expaining how (and neither interested), I just reported what they advertise on their website, following Italian customer statements about 8Y tune fianlly tuneable.
jusyt to be clear, I don't have any connection with the forementioned tuner, and zero interest in publishing their tuning ability

My point was (and not necessarily for you to explain) that, despite there being a laundry list of hurdles to jump over to crack into one of these ECU's for tuning purposes, that company (and I believe a few others), have done it. What is the difference between "bench" tuning and tuning through the OBD port?

[kevin#34]

https://russellroadracing.co.uk/blogs/news/obd-bench-boot-tuning-explained

[Jetdriver]

Looks like another one...

https://mtr-performance.nl/blogs/projecten-7/audi-rs3-8y-2-5tfsi-2021-stage-1

https://youtu.be/N4Qa9SDyzsg?si=Yfc_hTHZXyWxEAcu

[Rguy]

Until a recognized tuner makes an announcement all these EU companies with little to no reputation or details are going to be ignored.

[Jetdriver]

Until a recognized tuner makes an announcement all these EU companies with little to no reputation or details are going to be ignored.

But people have to understand that EU is almost a year ahead of us, if not more, with this car and tuning. The first 8Y's were on sale in Europe in August of 2021.

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[grandpab]

A bench tune in another country means nothing to most of us. I would never deal with that kind of inconvenience or ever pay those kind of prices. My last 2 cars had a cobb ap. If I can't tune at home then tunes might as well not even exist.

With what happened with the early mk6 bench tunes I'd be hesitant to do one even if it wasn't such an inconvenience. They were bench tuning before flash tuning and a high number of people that had their ecu bench tuned ended up with bricked ecus.

I have 3 more years on the warranty though. I don't know that I'll be willing to do a tune until that's expired.

[theverge]

Until a recognized tuner makes an announcement all these EU companies with little to no reputation or details are going to be ignored.

Aren't piggybacks getting the same amount of power as their stage 1? Like why even mess with it.

[Jetdriver]

Aren't piggybacks getting the same amount of power as their stage 1? Like why even mess with it.

I believe JB4 is like 50whp. There doesn't seem to be a whole bunch of user data on it yet.

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[Rguy]

A piggyback is severely limited on what it can do. A full tune can change a wild amount of things. A piggyback is intercepting a few signals, changing them a bit, and then the car compensates with more fuel/boost/timing as needed to reach a target. It cant go past limits the ECU has (for safety reason of course). A full tune, the sky is the limit. Rev limiters, launch RPMs, top speed limiter removed, idle rev limit removed.....JB4 is an antique compared to a full tune...

[Jetdriver]

A piggyback is severely limited on what it can do. A full tune can change a wild amount of things. A piggyback is intercepting a few signals, changing them a bit, and then the car compensates with more fuel/boost/timing as needed to reach a target. It cant go past limits the ECU has (for safety reason of course). A full tune, the sky is the limit. Rev limiters, launch RPMs, top speed limiter removed, idle rev limit removed.....JB4 is an antique compared to a full tune...

But... JB4 is probably better than no tune at all.... :)

[Auditude437]

I'm curious... how long has this ECU been out for now, timewise, including BMW and other car brands?

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[Jetdriver]

2020-2021, so 4 years now?

[Jetdriver]

Looks like BTM Turbo in Germany is tuning 8Y's through the OBD.

https://youtu.be/DevqYAxDWfg?si=7tY85tIffs7hLmCj

https://www.btm-turbo.de/

[kynovs4]

Looks like BTM Turbo in Germany is tuning 8Y's through the OBD.

https://youtu.be/DevqYAxDWfg?si=7tY85tIffs7hLmCj

https://www.btm-turbo.de/

4,000 euros for stage 1...lmao. Also, requires an "appointment". This is just another bench unlock.

[gomi]

Looks like Syvecs is close to bringing something to market. Check their IG if you haven't already.

[grandpab]

Looks like Syvecs is close to bringing something to market. Check their IG if you haven't already.

"This one needed new ECU hardware"

Still need a simple flash solution.

[Rguy]

At this point, ANY option that allows full control of the cars system is better than nothing, even if its a $5k device.

[fzr100098]

If you're running E85 maybe - for 93 pump gas the expected 75 hp gain makes it a pricey option (plus warranty issues)

[Rguy]

These posts on the FB groups suggesting they have tunes available are really frustrating.

[Tactical_ted]

These folks are saying the ECU is now unlocked in the comments of this video. Looks like 620 or so HP on a 700 package.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSSQyxdZdV8&t=255s

[Jetdriver]

These folks are saying the ECU is now unlocked in the comments of this video. Looks like 620 or so HP on a 700 package.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSSQyxdZdV8&t=255s

Forge is a pretty reputable UK tuner, but they still don't specify if it's a bench tune or OBD remote tune.

[Rguy]

I dont believe anyone, anywhere is tuning these yet, not full tunes anyway (maybe syvecs but that's standalone or replacement ecu im guessing)....Im glad to be proven wrong. Whoever comes to market first with either a bench or remote tune is going to have people knocking down their door. I see these posts on FB groups saying they are tuning, but then a ZERO follow up on how or proof they actually did it themselves...

[grandpab]

Last week Hank said there was going to be some news about tuning at the end of this week, so I'm assuming either today or tomorrow. It wouldn't be the first time Hank had the timing of tune news wrong though.

[Rguy]

TWO WEEKS!

I mean ANY updates would be welcome at this point.

[Jetdriver]

These folks are saying the ECU is now unlocked in the comments of this video. Looks like 620 or so HP on a 700 package.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSSQyxdZdV8&t=255sIt was confirmed as a bench tune.

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[RScheiss3]

Looks like Syvecs beta units also went out, fingers crossed we see something available to consumers (both flash and new hardware) in the coming months

[200Audi]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240315/97d27971d91c23d41a15ff9b39f5055c.jpg
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[Rguy]

Welp. start saving up boys!

[200Audi]

Anyone with 5-15k miles that is planning on getting the tune and void the warranty? That’s the only thing that is making me lean towards a JB4


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[grandpab]

Anyone with 5-15k miles that is planning on getting the tune and void the warranty? That’s the only thing that is making me lean towards a JB4


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With how things are now I only do about 5k miles a year. I've been thinking I'll wait 3 more years, when my warranty is gone, before I do a tune. I have no interest in a jb4, I'll just keep it as it is.

If we never get a simple flash tune maybe I'll never tune it. I dunno, I'm not that eager to make the car quicker. I have plenty of time to wait for more options at least.

[Rguy]

Syvecs responded to my ETA inquiry. 3 to 4 weeks if beta testing goes well!!

[FSTSNAL]

What controllers do they have at this point just engine or also trans and awd controller?

[JMVELA]

I am going Syvecs way! 7K miles on mine. Engine built engine and full frame turbo already on it. Just waiting on ECU to full send!! lol

[200Audi]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240321/2c5b0974938a9a3a7f0119553f7dc88e.jpg
Who’s ready to drop 5k [emoji1670]


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[fzr100098]

5k is insane...M2 competition is rumored to be over 500 hp

[Jetdriver]

That's 25% of the way toward a G80 M3.

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[fzr100098]

Can't do M3/4 - boat

M2 is still too heavy

[Jetdriver]

Can't do M3/4 - boat

M2 is still too heavy

Yes, that is one of the reasons why I bought the 8Y as well.

[Rguy]

5k Insane? We congratulate people when they buy a 2k intake, or a $2600 exhaust.

$5k to control your entire cars ECU/TCU and turbo and get HUGE HP numbers....come on people.

[FSTSNAL]

5k Insane? We congratulate people when they buy a 2k intake, or a $2600 exhaust.

$5k to control your entire cars ECU/TCU and turbo and get HUGE HP numbers....come on people.

I spent that on wheels so don’t see it as a huge expense.

[Jetdriver]

5k Insane? We congratulate people when they buy a 2k intake, or a $2600 exhaust.

$5k to control your entire cars ECU/TCU and turbo and get HUGE HP numbers....come on people.

Would never buy a $2k intake for this car. Exhaust.. maybe.

I think the point here is that not everyone needs a $5k stand-alone ECU and to watch our "Forefathers" drive around with <$1k flashes is frustrating. A lot of us would be happy with Stage 1 or Stage 1+ and be done with it. I'm not paying $5k for Stage 1 so at the end of the day, a piggy-back may be the only answer when that time comes.

[fzr100098]

I spent that [$5k] on wheels so don’t see it as a huge expense.

If you're keeping the car a long time and going all out on mods it may make sense. I usually move on to something new after 3-4 years and in this market you can often break even or close, especially if you stay below 10-15k miles - if anything, mods (usually) ding the resale value

[FSTSNAL]

Have all my OEM parts in the garage will cost a few hundred in labor to return to stock. Bought this car as a possible forever gas car as my last one. Only thing I am considering as a replacement would be a 911 carrera 4 gts

[fzr100098]

2025 refresh may tempt you?

[RudyH]

curious, does anyone know if the TCU is unlocked? I know the focus is on the ECU right now.

Reason I ask, I am stuck in the reverse with a locked TCU and a open ECU with the EVO888 EVO4...you can't really run a lot of power without the TCU going into safety mode, and send signals to cut power. Along with of course clamping power not being adequate

[Rguy]

Nothing is unlocked so far.

[Rguy]

syvecs social media makes it seem like the release is VERY close....Wonder where i can find 6kish...

[200Audi]

syvecs social media makes it seem like the release is VERY close....Wonder where i can find 6kish...

Wanna rob a bank together? Lmao I’ll see what other people do first then pull the trigger


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[RudyH]

Nothing is unlocked so far.

That's what I kind of figured...I guess the issue is that you kind of need both.
It looks like at least with the DQ381.2 they put a torque safety that will cut engine power to save the transmission. It goes beyond the clamping power now, you can still run a low torque tune that keeps it under the safety, but that's not fun.

Will keep watching the thread, still a good year before 2025's are coming

[g_sacd]

https://www.mtm-online.de/en/configurator/#/tuning/RS38Y294Q

Mtm Stage 1 and 2

Does anyone know why MTM is so astronomically so expensive? It just baffles me..

[Jetdriver]

Because they're MTM.... lol

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Does anyone know why MTM is so astronomically so expensive? It just baffles me..

Because their MTM.... lol