VCDS mod needed: Oil temperature in lap timer below 140°F / 60°C

[csaba.meszaros]

Hello Guys!

I am following a guy on Facebook who is doing paid VCDS mods. I've seen in his posts that one of the paid features he enables is displaying the oil temperature below 140°F / 60°C. Was wondering if anyone could offer a VCDS guide to enable this if it's possible at all via VCDS.


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[2k16A6]

Following, it has always bugged me that it doesn’t display below 140.

[Audibot]

I use my P3 gauge for this, but am definitely interested in changing this

[janhe]

Can’t be done with VCDS. It’s not ”public” knowledge and people do make money with it but it has to do with parametrization of the instrument cluster. I was happy to pay one German guy 50€’s to do this with ODIS-E remotely since my cluster firmware had to be updated before and whatnot and takes time. There’s also a big chance that you end up bricking your cluster unless you really know what you’re doing so I don’t think 50€’S is too bad for this mod.

Do you have a link to Facebook where you found this?

Here’s a pic of my cluster during winter months:

[Audisthesia]

Yeah, would love to know how it's done with VCDS.....

/holds breath

[MattyMarkey]

This is purely a question out of curiosity: for those that are curious to get this mod to know the temperature below 140F/60C - what is the benefit that you would be getting from knowing?

My understanding, 140F is when the car is safely beyond the warm-up period and “safer” to push the car above higher RPMS.

If there are added benefits to know lower temps, I’ll definitely join the bandwagon!


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[2k16A6]

This is purely a question out of curiosity: for those that are curious to get this mod to know the temperature below 140F/60C - what is the benefit that you would be getting from knowing?

My understanding, 140F is when the car is safely beyond the warm-up period and “safer” to push the car above higher RPMS.

If there are added benefits to know lower temps, I’ll definitely join the bandwagon!


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Good, valid question. I drive very gently till I see 140, and don't really push it till at least 160. I mainly just hate seeing the --- instead of a number. I only have about a 5 mile commute to work, and in the winter months it never gets to 140 and I guess I'd just like to know how close it is lol.

[Audibot]

This is purely a question out of curiosity: for those that are curious to get this mod to know the temperature below 140F/60C - what is the benefit that you would be getting from knowing?

My understanding, 140F is when the car is safely beyond the warm-up period and “safer” to push the car above higher RPMS.

If there are added benefits to know lower temps, I’ll definitely join the bandwagon!


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Factors into wanting to know many more operating parameters of the car. I feel like oil, coolant, and transmission temperatures should always be available to see. And an actual boost pressure reading rather than the gauge going up and down without a scale.

[gk1]

Factors into wanting to know many more operating parameters of the car. I feel like oil, coolant, and transmission temperatures should always be available to see. And an actual boost pressure reading rather than the gauge going up and down without a scale.

Some recent Audis don't even have a coolant gauge any more. [:(]

[MattyMarkey]

Factors into wanting to know many more operating parameters of the car. I feel like oil, coolant, and transmission temperatures should always be available to see. And an actual boost pressure reading rather than the gauge going up and down without a scale.

What operating parameters would that be, given the low temperatures... Cold start diagnostics?

What is there to gain knowing parameters that aren’t at “safe” operating temps for higher-boost/harder-driving operations?


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[MattyMarkey]

Good, valid question. I drive very gently till I see 140, and don't really push it till at least 160. I mainly just hate seeing the --- instead of a number. I only have about a 5 mile commute to work, and in the winter months it never gets to 140 and I guess I'd just like to know how close it is lol.

I certainly am also fixated on the temperature, even more so now that I don’t drive the car as much.

I make it a point to get the oil temp above 190F on my drives, for the sake of thinking I have a greater chance of burning off condensation within the engine and exhaust. Even if that means driving 5-10min more - love driving the car anyway, so why the heck not lol.

I have no clue if this is verified/sound thinking, but seems logical to me haha


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[2k16A6]

I certainly am also fixated on the temperature, even more so now that I don’t drive the car as much.

I make it a point to get the oil temp above 190F on my drives, for the sake of thinking I have a greater chance of burning off condensation within the engine and exhaust. Even if that means driving 5-10min more - love driving the car anyway, so why the heck not lol.

I have no clue if this is verified/sound thinking, but seems logical to me haha


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Yeah I have the same thought regarding condensation in the oil. It actually bothers me how difficult it is to get the oil temp up even to 160. I've had the car about 2 years and it has always taken forever to get it up to 160+ even in the warm weather. Once there and I do a pull or two it will get to 180-200 but just a normal drive even 30 minutes long the oil temp is like 160-170. I'm in a pretty congested area where people in their subarus and priuses drive like 15 under the speed limit so most of the time the throttle is barely cracked.

[WatchMeSpend]

Yeah I have the same thought regarding condensation in the oil. It actually bothers me how difficult it is to get the oil temp up even to 160. I've had the car about 2 years and it has always taken forever to get it up to 160+ even in the warm weather. Once there and I do a pull or two it will get to 180-200 but just a normal drive even 30 minutes long the oil temp is like 160-170. I'm in a pretty congested area where people in their subarus and priuses drive like 15 under the speed limit so most of the time the throttle is barely cracked.

Same thoughts here. Want to get rid of the condensation on the oil....

[Alabama]

This is purely a question out of curiosity: for those that are curious to get this mod to know the temperature below 140F/60C - what is the benefit that you would be getting from knowing?

My understanding, 140F is when the car is safely beyond the warm-up period and “safer” to push the car above higher RPMS.

If there are added benefits to know lower temps, I’ll definitely join the bandwagon!

Fair question, but flip it around. Apparently Audi engineers designed the car with an oil thermostat that operates over a wide range, not just starting at 140 degrees. What's the benefit to restricting the display in this fashion?

[MattyMarkey]

Fair question, but flip it around. Apparently Audi engineers designed the car with an oil thermostat that operates over a wide range, not just starting at 140 degrees. What's the benefit to restricting the display in this fashion?

I think this goes back to the point about “safe operating temperature”. Just like other OEMs that have a blue coolant light on start-up, it lets the driver know when it’s presumably safer to operate your vehicle at higher RPMs/boost.

To me, it works in that sense - visual indication


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[Audibot]

What operating parameters would that be, given the low temperatures... Cold start diagnostics?

What is there to gain knowing parameters that aren’t at “safe” operating temps for higher-boost/harder-driving operations?


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I like to be able to see the oil, coolant, and trans temperatures at all times. You could play devil's advocate and ask what is there to gain having the lap timer at all.

I mean, there are LEDs on the tach (do you even need a tach?) that warn you on revs when it is too cold. Same with the oil temperature--what do you gain by the car showing it's >140 F when the tach LEDs will let you know it's safe? What do you gain with a boost gauge when the car will tell you if there's a fault?

And if I was towing something, are you suggesting I have no business knowing what my transmission temperature is? Why can I hop into a Dodge and get all this information for free, bone stock, but can't from Audi?

[MattyMarkey]

I like to be able to see the oil, coolant, and trans temperatures at all times. You could play devil's advocate and ask what is there to gain having the lap timer at all.

I mean, there are LEDs on the tach (do you even need a tach?) that warn you on revs when it is too cold. Same with the oil temperature--what do you gain by the car showing it's >140 F when the tach LEDs will let you know it's safe? What do you gain with a boost gauge when the car will tell you if there's a fault?

And if I was towing something, are you suggesting I have no business knowing what my transmission temperature is? Why can I hop into a Dodge and get all this information for free, bone stock, but can't from Audi?

Pretty sure your devils advocate is doing the opposite of your intentions of proving a point...

I would hope you understand the benefits of a lap timer in a vehicle people can take to the track. Are you towing something with your high-performance sedan? You can hop in your dodge because one of its purposes is for towing - which all those parameters are important, but still, knowing if you are below 140F or lower oil temps, is that important to you or add benefits?

What I gather from what you are saying is: there is no other benefit, other than “knowing” you’re below 140F.


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[Alabama]

I think this goes back to the point about “safe operating temperature”. Just like other OEMs that have a blue coolant light on start-up, it lets the driver know when it’s presumably safer to operate your vehicle at higher RPMs/boost.

To me, it works in that sense - visual indication

You're probably right, but then why show a number above 140, why not just have that indicator light? I believe it's the engineers thinking they know more than the driver (and most of the time they may be right!). For me, just as with coolant, I like to know where I am on the "warm up" curve, so I have a sense of when I'll reach that magic 140.

[AudiC7Owners]

I use my P3 gauge for this, but am definitely interested in changing this

How did you get your P3 gauge to display oil temp?

[MattyMarkey]

You're probably right, but then why show a number above 140, why not just have that indicator light? I believe it's the engineers thinking they know more than the driver (and most of the time they may be right!). For me, just as with coolant, I like to know where I am on the "warm up" curve, so I have a sense of when I'll reach that magic 140.

I can only guess the other reason for it to be there at all... since it’s specifically there when you enable the Lap Timer Function - when you’re at the track, you care more about higher temps, than you would low temps.

I do find it to be a bit of a game: when will I get to 140???

I get the want to know how it’s progressively climbing. I also didn’t think there was any other side benefits, other than knowing, so was curious why certain people want to go to lengths to get it done. If there was something cool I didn’t know about, I’m all for it!


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[Dasquade]

That is why i like my FIS mmi module, i have my oil gauge on the main screen (shows actual temp so below the stock value). The good thing about it is it can be modified to show any parameter the obd/uds sends and recently added an external sensor module that will show my turbo oil pressure after relocated filters. Not cheap, not so user friendly to configuer, bit old school but over 30 parameters that can be viewed (out of a shitload of parameters ECU/TCU).

[Alabama]

I can only guess the other reason for it to be there at all... since it’s specifically there when you enable the Lap Timer Function - when you’re at the track, you care more about higher temps, than you would low temps.

Good thought. You reminded me that the factory car doesn't even have this activated so most drivers don't see anything related to oil temperature. And I don't trust "140" anyway and wait until about "170" before I consider pushing the car. Apparently what Dasquade has is more than just a VCDS tweak to add lap timer/oil temp/boost gauge.

[MattyMarkey]

Good thought. You reminded me that the factory car doesn't even have this activated so most drivers don't see anything related to oil temperature. And I don't trust "140" anyway and wait until about "170" before I consider pushing the car. Apparently what Dasquade has is more than just a VCDS tweak to add lap timer/oil temp/boost gauge.

Yeah, the FIS module is pretty pricey, but effective in ways - it displays right on your MMI, so pretty slick in that regard. He also mentioned what I’ve heard too; it’s glitchy, likely because it’s older tech.

A guy on the DS1 FB forum has created BTres for the masses, which is a separate screen (mounted under the MMI) and works specifically with the DS1 module, to show tons of parameters real-time. Thing is pretty darn slick; touch screen too.


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[aber_18]

Dasquade, any photos or info on your oil pressure setup? Seeing low oil pressure pre turbo would be awesome.

[Dasquade]

Dasquade, any photos or info on your oil pressure setup? Seeing low oil pressure pre turbo would be awesome.
No problem, i will try add some pictures when back home. It isnt that easy tought and requires some hardware.

Basicly the guy who sold me his custom oil screen relocation kit added a T section where i could insert an oil pressure sensor (after the oil screen) on both banks. 5v oil pressure sensor that sends it 5v feedback voltage back to a seperate module that can be coded and gets its own canbus id. Then my fis module can be programmed to read and display the custom canbus id.
Still need to talk with Travis (bTres) if he is up to implant custom gauges/digital readouts on his display...as i will most likely will loose my fis display as it cant read two obd port application at the same time (or i need to try convince fis creator to allow it back like it used to be....).
There are several modules that can convert voltage based sensors into canbus id parameters...ds1 mentions one on their guide.

[core5]

https://www.motor-talk.de/forum/laptimer-oeltemp-t4742394.html?page=93#post62891278

[Audibellybutton]

if we could get IAT in lap timer that would be lit lol doubt that its possible but a man can dream

[core5]

if we could get IAT in lap timer that would be lit lol doubt that its possible but a man can dream

The DS1 tune allows that. It can replace the boost bar on the left side of the lap timer. It measures 0C to 100C


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