Dinan piggyback chip

[wkhanna]

anyone tried Dinan's piggyback chip (https://www.dinancars.com/product/d440-0046-dinantronics-sport-performance-tuner-for-vag-adx-v2-20l-turbo-engines/?series=&mid=/)?

was wondering if there might be potential issues with the way it 'cheats' the ecu....

i have a 2011 A5 2.0t fsi & do not want a stage 1 tune, just a little bump in performance while maintaining reliability & engine life.
will be used in combo with 034 hfc (https://store.034motorsport.com/high-flow-catalytic-converter-b8-audi-a4-a5-q5-2-0-tfsi.html).

[subzero05]

yep I have it. Took all of 2 min to install it. The app isn't great, could use improvement but you can change settings on it which is nice. For $299 I like it. Its nothing crazy, but for a little extra oomph it does whats advertised. Id recommend it if you are looking for just a little extra, add it and forget it.

[wkhanna]

thank you for the feedback, SubZ05!

how long have you had it installed?

did you consider the Neuspeed (http://www.neuspeed.com/161/11/0/3307/641013-neuspeed-power-module.html)version?

my brother-in-law worked with the the guys at Dinan, 25 or more years ago.....man time flies!
had lots of their stuff on my old 3 series coupe years ago.....

interesting that they may be delving into VW/Audi product line.....

[subzero05]

thank you for the feedback, SubZ05!

how long have you had it installed?

did you consider the Neuspeed (http://www.neuspeed.com/161/11/0/3307/641013-neuspeed-power-module.html)version?

my brother-in-law worked with the the guys at Dinan, 25 or more years ago.....man time flies!
had lots of their stuff on my old 3 series coupe years ago.....

interesting that they may be delving into VW/Audi product line.....
had it on a couple months now. I saw the neuspeed unit but wanted to try the Dinan unit to be different.
yep seems as though they are releasing stuff for our cars.

[wkhanna]

had it on a couple months now. I saw the neuspeed unit but wanted to try the Dinan unit to be different.


did a search & saw your comments on another thread.....good stuff.
i think as soon as i finish my brake upgrade (A5 > S5) & git the hfc installed i will give the Dinan a try.
if i am not pleased, i could just put it on The Wife's 2014 A4 or sell it.....

thank you, again, subzero05!
greatly appreciate your input!

[subzero05]

did a search & saw your comments on another thread.....good stuff.
i think as soon as i finish my brake upgrade (A5 > S5) & git the hfc installed i will give the Dinan a try.
if i am not pleased, i could just put it on The Wife's 2014 A4 or sell it.....

thank you, again, subzero05!
greatly appreciate your input!

no worries, glad to help.

[LandoAudi]

Installed this and after one day my check engine light turned on, couldn't find my code scanner so I just unplugged the unit for now. Any one have something similar happen?

I just moved and my scanner is buried somewhere in boxes. [emoji19]


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[wkhanna]

anxious to hear which code you thru.....

[AllroadRob]

Also interested in the code.

Additionally, the Dinan unit specifically says that it works with the b8/b8.5 allroad but the Neuspeed says their unit is a no for the allroad. Anyone have insight on that?


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[LandoAudi]

anxious to hear which code you thru.....

Well, after unplugging the module and plugging it back in the check engine light went away,
I tried every setting and I think the race setting set it off, so with that I've ran 1 setting each day to see if I throw any codes, stock, sport, sport+, and race. Currently on sport+ (3psi+) no codes yet,

Still haven't found my code scanner [emoji19]


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[wkhanna]

appreciate the update!

[LandoAudi]

appreciate the update!

P0299
Boost pressure regulation: control range not reached.

From what I've read on other threads by searching this code, I'm directing my attention to the diverted valve,

Anybody know if my b8 has the old diaphragm design diverted valve?


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[wkhanna]

ah yes.....the infamous under-boost ......

i have been chasing that gremlin for weeks on my A5......
i have already installed a new PCV & the GFP DV+ (http://www.gfb.com.au/products/blow-off-and-diverter-valves/dv-plus/dv-t9351-suits-late-model-vag-euro-applications-detail).......but still it comes back......
may be a turbo issue, not sure yet......

talked with the service manager from one of our V good local dealerships while at the vintage grand prix races/car show in pittsburgh last week.....he offered to check it out at no charge......
need to get that appointment scheduled.....
there are occasional advantages to being a ACNA member......

[subzero05]

Well, after unplugging the module and plugging it back in the check engine light went away,
I tried every setting and I think the race setting set it off, so with that I've ran 1 setting each day to see if I throw any codes, stock, sport, sport+, and race. Currently on sport+ (3psi+) no codes yet,

Still haven't found my code scanner [emoji19]


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so other than the race setting , the dinan unit seems to be working good for you as or now?. I haven't had any issues w/ mine to date. I have 91 octane here so I have only had it set at sport + , never put it into race as of yet

[LandoAudi]

so other than the race setting , the dinan unit seems to be working good for you as or now?. I haven't had any issues w/ mine to date. I have 91 octane here so I have only had it set at sport + , never put it into race as of yet

Yes that is correct,

I also installed a turbo muffler delete after the code had cleared the first time. Still running good.

My new DV and blow off adapter will be here tomorrow, should I hold off on installing those till I iron out any more issues with the dinan unit?


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[wkhanna]

My new DV and blow off adapter will be here tomorrow, should I hold off on installing those till I iron out any more issues with the dinan unit?




either of those components may be the cause if they are not operating properly.....

....or it could be the symptomatic of the Dinan....

[LandoAudi]

either of those components may be the cause if they are not operating properly.....

....or it could be the symptomatic of the Dinan....

The first time I got any codes it was completely stock, just the dinan unit alone.
Now I've added the turbo muffler delete and the blow off adapter along with a new DV. Seems to be working fine.


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[wkhanna]

fyi.... on sale for 25% off.....

LINK (https://www.ecstuning.com/News/Audi_20T_Dinantronics_Sport_Tuner_Closeout_25538/?salesrep=JRiggsbee&utm_source=audizine&utm_medium=forum&utm_content=JRiggsbee&utm_campaign=12_12_2017)

[Nczcar01]

Any of our A4 2.0L owners feel Dinan tuner performs as expected and worth purchasing? Noted above issues with codes. Saw this on sale a couple of places $170-199.

[wkhanna]

now its listed at ecs for 33% off.... $200....

@Nczcar01

where did you find it for $170?

[tominabox1]

now its listed at ecs for 33% off.... $200....

@Nczcar01

where did you find it for $170?Modbargains

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[wkhanna]

thanks, Tom!

[Nczcar01]

Modbargains

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Yes, Modbargains

I saw somewhere Dinan acquired APR a while back. Wonder if they are choosing to phase out the VW/Audi plug ‘n play power module in favor of focusing business direction towards the APR ECU tuning approach.

[tominabox1]

Well I finally broke down and ordered one.

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[Nczcar01]

Well I finally broke down and ordered one.

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I put it in my shopping cart about 4 times, but never completed checkout. Your move may have just pushed me over the edge......

[Nczcar01]

Well, over the edge I went..😋😋

[tominabox1]

Love to compare notes once we get there

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[wkhanna]

anxiously awaiting your impressions......

[Nczcar01]

Love to compare notes once we get there

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Absolutely. My 2010 A4 is completely stock, so this will be the first performance upgrade.....but maybe not the last. 🤑

Edit add: Dinan module shipped, scheduled to arrive Jan 4.

[tominabox1]

Looked like mine will be in town tomorrow!

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[tominabox1]

Looked like mine will be in town tomorrow!

Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using TapatalkFalse alarm. It's local but won't be delivered until Tuesday. Holidays always ruin my plans lol

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[Nczcar01]

False alarm. It's local but won't be delivered until Tuesday. Holidays always ruin my plans lol

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Bummer......kinda like reaching into a bag of chocolates and finding an empty bag.
Mine’s arriving about the time I will have to travel to OH, so will be a while before I can install.

[tominabox1]

False alarm. It's local but won't be delivered until Tuesday. Holidays always ruin my plans lol

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Double false alarm! IT CAME :)

Got it installed in no time flat.

https://i.imgur.com/DWoRhD9.png

https://i.imgur.com/h7zmzXm.png

The chip is installed on the MAP sensor which is on the driver side in front of the coolant reservoir. Plug and play.
https://i.imgur.com/CMzNAPu.png?1

https://i.imgur.com/2gfODrw.png?1

I only did a few pulls at each setting (stock, sport, sport+, race) but with crappy weather approaching here in Dallas, I didn't spend much time messing with it unfortunately. I did find that my OnePlus 5 with Android Oreo did not work with the app - it didn't see the chip in the bluetooth menu. Luckily I have a backup old Moto X that is still on some older version and it seemed to work fine. As others have noted, the boost monitor in the app is super slow to respond so I was using Torque on my other phone via the OBDII port for boost measurements. I am not quite sure how its supposed to be set up so I am not confident saying what the actual boost levels are in each mode but it did seem to increase boost pressure with each increasing setting. No CEL yet. Butt dyno says the car is fast as frig as always. I need to spend more time on more open and forgiving roads to really tell, though that probably wont be this weekend if we're getting ice and well below freezing temps. I will update when I can.

[chip_]

What are you guys mounting the module too?

[tominabox1]

I mounted mine to the wire bundle going to the headlights. On my 3rd pic the bundle I mounted on is at like 7 o-clock on my red circle. The cabling for the module is fairly long. I didn't want to mount on the intake pipe because I'm not sure how hot it gets.

[XCELR8]

I'll chime in....

Lots of vendors are dropping prices on the # D440-0046. This module basically fools the car into increasing boost via a few different performance modes. There's valet/stock/sport/sport+/race. Boost levels range from -2 psi to +4 psi. It's shipped in sport+ mode and ready to use once installed. Depending on your year, the connection ports are different (one has a keyway the other does not) so you need to check before buying. They make a module for each version.

Install was super easy. I'd say 5 min max, most time spent connecting the zip ties together that attach it to your intake tube. It does not come with any instructions so you'll want to download the .pdf that includes a walkthrough for the app as well. There are two different .pdf's so get the longer one. The app allows you to toggle between the different modes. It also includes a digital boost gauge that operates via bluetooth. The gauge is okay at best really as readings lag behind at times. The bluetooth connection is sketchy while driving and connects/disconnects randomly. I only use the app to select the different modes then put my phone away.

I had an APR tune on my 2006 A4 with first gen 2.0t. It was a lot more aggressive and seemed to confuse the transmission at takeoff or during a hard downshift when passing. I also had fuel delivery issues with it. This Dinan tune is softer and doesn't seem to stress the car nearly as much. I noticed the low RPM/speed turbo lag almost gone, she's a lot more responsive on downshifting and pulls longer when passing traffic. I've only had it in sport+ mode as the roads here have been pretty nasty. I'll try race when things melt. There was mid-grade in the tank at install and the car performed okay. Once I filled up with 93 it really woke up. This module makes the car perform as it should have from the factory. I'll be interested to see how an intake works together with it this spring.

Overall, this is the tune I was looking for. Easy install, worry free fun that's really changed the car. My commute is 76 miles round trip every day so I'm in the car a lot. It's nice having a reliable tune that's made my drive more fun. Is it the most aggressive or highest hp/tq player in the tune game? No. But I'm totally okay with dialing it back a tad from the others for long term reliability and piece of mind. I was fortunate enough to get mine for $170 shipped but there are other vendors out there for around $200 still.

Best bang for the buck module out there!

[Nczcar01]

My Dinan module is scheduled to be delivered today:)

[tominabox1]

On sport+ 93 octane drive home from work

Max boost 20.1 psihttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180105/4bb62111c227fbd566ea61ec67835b84.jpg

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[Nczcar01]

Mine was delivered about 45 minutes ago. Will install it tomorrow and try it out. I have a large oak tree in the back yard...in stock form I have only been able to get the A4 up to the second branch. Hope to make it mid-way with the extra power.🚀🚀🚀

[Nczcar01]

On sport+ 93 octane drive home from work

Max boost 20.1 psihttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180105/4bb62111c227fbd566ea61ec67835b84.jpg

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Tom, What is your max boost in stock mode?

[tominabox1]

Tom, What is your max boost in stock mode?Didn't take a proper reading yet. I'll get something tomorrow.

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[wkhanna]

$170 is almost worth it for just the app interface.....wonder how accurate it is?


...in stock form I have only been able to get the A4 up to the second branch. Hope to make it mid-way with the extra power......


http://youtu.be/yr5ni-5U7UM

[tominabox1]

$170 is almost worth it for just the app interface.....wonder how accurate it is?




http://youtu.be/yr5ni-5U7UM

The app pictured is Torque. The app for Dinantronics is pretty crappy.

[wkhanna]

i want that Torque thingy you have.....where do you recommend i get it?

EDIT: so Torque is the app.....which module are you using?
i am looking at this one....BAFX Products 34t5 Bluetooth OBDII (https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B005NLQAHS/ezobd2scanners-20)

...or can Carista do the same thing?

i would just like to have convenient real-time dashboard via android phone to stuff like boost, oil temp, ect....

[XCELR8]

Same here but need one for iphone

[tominabox1]

i want that Torque thingy you have.....where do you recommend i get it?

EDIT: so Torque is the app.....which module are you using?
i am looking at this one....BAFX Products 34t5 Bluetooth OBDII (https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B005NLQAHS/ezobd2scanners-20)

...or can Carista do the same thing?

i would just like to have convenient real-time dashboard via android phone to stuff like boost, oil temp, ect....

Carista OBD reader will do the same thing. I have this one: http://amzn.to/2CJJM9J

Mine also works with the carista app to do coding and stuff. I think I'm going to have a dedicated android phone install just for Torque and Dinantronics

[wkhanna]

@tominabox1

thanks for the info, Tom!
greatly appreciated....

i already have the HEX-V2 for scanning & programming, but this kit will give me the 'on-the-fly' feedback that i want

[bat6wc]

I'll be installing my Dinan module on Monday. I also have the torque app and Bluetooth OBDII so we can compare readings. I don't plan on using anything other than Sport+ though

[Nczcar01]

Just plugged in my Dinan module and went for a short ride. Noticed an improved linear feel during normal acceleration. Was not able to make any wot runs, but lower rpm boost is improved.
I connected via the Dinan app, and agree it is poor. One question I had...unit comes in Sport+ mode and tried to change to sport, back to Sport+, but unable to detect the change via the app. Does the app provide any feedback of switching between modes?

As I pulled into the driveway, I thought about that second limb in that big oak tree.

Edit: Figured it out, was not using App correctly. Had to ensure lower toggle was in correct position and noted incremental psi boost is displayed below boost gauge. Thanks JLAllroad.

[JLAllroad]

From the B8 A5 forum

Dinan plug/play tune for 2.0 A5... best hidden gem out there.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=795597



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[wkhanna]

just installed the BAFX OBDII w/ Torque Lite.....

this thing is V nize!
for the $ its silly not to have one.....
it does not replace my rosstech HEX V2 for diag or programming....but for heads-up real-time display...hard to beat, imho
we just got 5 inches of snow, so i have not been able to take it out on the road yet.....cant wait till i do.....

downloading Torque Pro now....

[wkhanna]

sorry to go OT here....but i finally got some readings on my boost level with my toy today...& have been worried that i may have a leaky waste gate.....
reason being a persistent P0299 CEL code .......

got 13 psi consistantly under wot......

sound ok....or do i have a problem...?

[tominabox1]

sorry to go OT here....but i finally got some readings on my boost level with my toy today...& have been worried that i may have a leaky waste gate.....
reason being a persistent P0299 CEL code .......

got 13 psi consistantly under wot......

sound ok....or do i have a problem...?

Definitely not seen any codes here, even in race mode. I've had the car wide open several times and Torque has reported over 20psi (though I have yet to see over 16 ish in the Dinan tuning app, not sure which is real).

[wkhanna]

Definitely not seen any codes here, even in race mode. I've had the car wide open several times and Torque has reported over 20psi (though I have yet to see over 16 ish in the Dinan tuning app, not sure which is real).

i should clarify....my toy is the the Torque Pro app, not the Dinan plug-in... i am running stock, no Dinan plug-in......other than hfc, dp & injen intake.....

[Nczcar01]

Bill,
If Tom’s boost psi numbers are correct, Dinan module adds 3psi boost in stock+ and 4psi in race mode, so backing into stock boost ~16-17 psi?? Not sure if this is correct or not.

[wkhanna]

yep, so feedback i am getting here & elsewhere is ~ 13 psi in stock config for the 1.8 & 2.0 K03 turbos.....

just paranoid bout the status of my turbo, these 2011's & earlier are notorious for failing waste gates....

but if i am getting 13 consistently at wot, i am proly ok...... despite the P0299 CEL....

[Nczcar01]

That’s good news. I too was curious about stock psi boost and had searched several forums after receiving the Dinan module.

Found numbers all across the board...one even said he had his up to 50 psi.....mmmmm, sounds like bold talk from an one-eyed fat man (True Grit).

Been out for the past week and have not driven my A4 since I have been back. Will see if I can get some stock numbers next time I am on the road.

[tominabox1]

I believe I read somewhere that the max boost the stock ECU could request was 16.1 psi.

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[wkhanna]

I believe I read somewhere that the max boost the stock ECU could request was 16.1 psi.


yep....for some reason i had that number in my head too......

....but my google skills are not the best & i am having no luck finding reliable / verified info.....

still trying to find 'official' factory specs.....

[tominabox1]

yep....for some reason i had that number in my head too......

....but my google skills are not the best & i am having no luck finding reliable / verified info.....

still trying to find 'official' factory specs.....

LOL exactly. After I posted that I went looking for proof but posted numbers on here are all over the place.

edit: looked some more. I'm beginning to think the actual base average is around 10 psi which would lead me to believe Torque Pro is not giving me accurate readings but the Dinan app (slow as it is) is providing realistic max boost numbers (14-16 psi) directly from the MAP sensor in Sport+/Race mode. It may be a calibration issue with Torque. I never could figure out what the setting is supposed to be (-14.7,0, or +14.7). Interesting that Torque shows vacuum all the time in idle and Dinan does not, maybe that's the key I'm looking for.

[wkhanna]

NA engines should have negative manifold pressure at idle....
....but i have no experience with turbos...

when running Torque Pro, my boost pressure reads negative at idle.....which seems reasonable...to me....

i was just hoping to get a boost pressure accuracy of +/- 0.5 psi if possible.....
i realize i only paid $20 for the module & $5 for the app.....

i will keep reading up the app settings & post some log of results later.....

[wkhanna]

i did a search on the turbo pro forum....

i think we want to use the MAF config for our cars in the OBD2 adaptor settings / boost calculation method....

i believe the MAF setting use the data as seen by the car's MAF....?

the off-set (-14.7,0, or +14.7) is for compensating on the how the manufacturer defined their scale on their software.
if it is set incorrectly your reading would be off by either +/-29.4 or +/- 14.7...i think....?

[tominabox1]

i did a search on the turbo pro forum....

i think we want to use the MAF config for our cars in the OBD2 adaptor settings / boost calculation method....

i believe the MAF setting use the data as seen by the car's MAF....?

the off-set (-14.7,0, or +14.7) is for compensating on the how the manufacturer defined their scale on their software.
if it is set incorrectly your reading would be off by either +/-29.4 or +/- 14.7...i think....?I did see someone say to use MAF as well. I'll try that on the drive home.

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[wkhanna]

I did see someone say to use MAF as well. I'll try that on the drive home.


me too...
i had been on "Prefer MAP(Default)"

[tominabox1]

Somewhat off topic - do you guys know how to get the engine oil temp to show right?

[wkhanna]

Somewhat off topic - do you guys know how to get the engine oil temp to show right?

i'm still looking into that, too......

[tominabox1]

I changed to the MAF sensor but I don't think it's right either . Max over 30? Not likely. Engine oil temp pid I tried isn't right either fwiw. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180115/903e963f128b692cfbbca26b03899ee8.jpg

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[wkhanna]

yep...that dont look right....

roads were snow covered on the way home from work....no chance for wot measures......

[tominabox1]

yep...that dont look right....

roads were snow covered on the way home from work....no chance for wot measures......I actually saw it over 50 for a sec so yeah....went back to MAP. We will see if wx works tomorrow for another test.

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[tominabox1]

Went back to MAP, and put +14.1 in the settings for an adjustment and saw 20.4 psi on the way to work this morning (18F ambient air) in Race. I still think that's way off. My guess is it should be around 15 at most.

[tominabox1]

I don't know what to believe. I watched the Dynan meter today on the way to work in Stock mode and it peaked at 15.6 psi. I had my other phone watching the ECU in MAP mode with +14.7 or whatever in the settings and it peaked over 20 psi. As slow as it is, I get the impression that the Dynan is more real, although it too seems to be higher than I would expect in stock mode.

[wkhanna]

i am trying to figure out if the boost reading from Torque Pro is actually from a sensor or is the 'demand' signal from the ECU......


I don't know what to believe. I watched the Dynan meter today on the way to work in Stock mode and it peaked at 15.6 psi. I had my other phone watching the ECU in MAP mode with +14.7 or whatever in the settings and it peaked over 20 psi. As slow as it is, I get the impression that the Dynan is more real, although it too seems to be higher than I would expect in stock mode.
i would be curious to see your Torque Pro readings when scale off-set is set to 0 instead of +14.7.....

we really need to manifold pressure readings directly from the effing manifold via an analog gauge so we have true benchmark....!!!! grrrrr....

i wish i had my podi guage installed......dammut!!!!

[tominabox1]

i am trying to figure out if the boost reading from Torque Pro is actually from a sensor or is the 'demand' signal from the ECU......


i would be curious to see your Torque Pro readings when scale off-set is set to 0 instead of +14.7.....

we really need to manifold pressure readings directly from the effing manifold via an analog gauge so we have true benchmark....!!!! grrrrr....

i wish i had my podi guage installed......dammut!!!!

I did some more reading and the type of fuel you put in the settings somehow impacts the boost readings. For most US fuels its E10. (unless you run exclusively E85 of course). Also important is engine displacement. I put 5L just to see what happened and it gave drastically different results, so its doing a lot more on the Torque side than just reading a sensor. I have not dialed in the correct value yet but I suspect with E10 set it will be closer to reality.

[tominabox1]

Ran it with fuel set to E20 based on the reading of ethenol fuel percentage reading of 18.4%. Peak reading of 18psi which is a little more realistic if you think the peak stock is 14. I still think it's not quite right but we may be on the right track.

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[tominabox1]

Naturally, I finally got an unberboost code. 60k miles on the turbo so hopefully not a sign of anything. I'll keep it on Race for now and keep an eye on it.

[wkhanna]

Naturally, I finally got an unberboost code. 60k miles on the turbo so hopefully not a sign of anything. I'll keep it on Race for now and keep an eye on it.

you ever get the underboost cel before the piggyback was installed?

[tominabox1]

you ever get the underboost cel before the piggyback was installed?Nope.

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[wkhanna]

i could not resist....

...just picked up a Dinan module in the classified section here.....

...wth...it was cheap..... i can play with it till i go APR stage II later this summer....

i should have it by the end of the month.....

[tominabox1]

i could not resist....

...just picked up a Dinan module in the classified section here.....

...wth...it was cheap..... i can play with it till i go APR stage II later this summer....

i should have it by the end of the month.....

It's a great addition. As for the underboost CEL... I'm going to keep an eye on it but it may just be something we have to deal with without a proper ECU tune and not necessarily a cause for concern. I'll cruise around on stock for a bit this week and see how things go.

[wkhanna]

Hey guys,

found this old Azine thread (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/430092-TORQUE-android-app-now-has-boost-for-audi-vw!!!!!?p=9530824&viewfull=1#post9530824)...thought i would share in case you have not already seen it.......

[tominabox1]

Hey guys,

found this old Azine thread (http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/430092-TORQUE-android-app-now-has-boost-for-audi-vw!!!!!?p=9530824&viewfull=1#post9530824)...thought i would share in case you have not already seen it.......Yeah I have read through that though it proved less useful than I would have liked. I did drive to work this morning on stock mode and didn't see any CEL and dinan was reporting max boost about 13 psi but mostly below 10. I'm beginning to think the dinan app is pretty close to reality. (as you would expect pulling straight from the MAP) I have seen few places where a dirty air filter can cause the underboost code and I cleaned my filter yesterday and it was pretty filthy so maybe that had something to do with it. Nevertheless I will keep you posted.

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[wkhanna]

installed this morning.....

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4718/39028614185_0ef3c31cc9_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/22sPRg8)

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[old guy]

Your impressions?

[wkhanna]

only did some in-town errand runs..... ran race mode the whole time (i always run 93 octane)


to be honest.... the claimed 20hp increase is ~10% of stock....

sorta hard to tell via the old butt-dyno....

will make some 0-60 & 0-100 runs with & without asap

maybe bit more responsive in the bottom end (keeping spooled up better?)

but may just be placebo effect for all i know.....


.....one thing for sure... it did no harm... ; )


then again, i am still running with an 'under-boost' P0299 CEL that may or may not be due to a faulty wastegate.......

[wkhanna]

update.....

...yeah.... it works..... The Wife noticed yesterday when i opened it up & she started bitching..... http://www.htguide.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_argue.gif

[tominabox1]

update.....

...yeah.... it works..... The Wife noticed yesterday when i opened it up & she started bitching..... http://www.htguide.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_argue.gif

LOL sick! :) Hit the curves yesterday myself and had a blast...Car pulls HARD :) Had her in the triple digits for the first time since I've had it ;)

[Nczcar01]

It definitely works.....went out this morning and found my A4 up in a tree 😋😋

Sadly, have not driven the A4 but only a few times with the Dinan module installed, but can feel improved lower RPM response. With a few sunny days coming, will have to find some open roads (certainly away from trees) and see what it will do.

Edit: Just back from a short trip on Interstate 20 to Wally World in next town about 10 miles away. Could definitely feel the little extra power up to redline in 3rd gear. Wife was with me. Her comments....that was kinda fun!

[wkhanna]

got to jab the throttle a few times yesterday on the way home from work (5 miles of nearly all urban city rush-hour traffic....)
i am wondering if the ecu needs time to adapt..... car felt moar peppy when i gave it quick jabs on the throttle from the lower rev range.... felt like it was pulling a little harder up through the revs, too.....

dinan max boost reading notification currently is 13.62 psi.......

[tominabox1]

Sounds right. I have found that 3rd is the money gear. Going to pair this with a high flow cat soon.

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[wkhanna]

Sounds right. I have found that 3rd is the money gear.Going to pair this with a high flow cat soon.

i did hfc, dp & intake all at the same time...

the dinan chip is giving close to the same amount increase in pep as those did....

but def do the hfc.... & dp if possible... jmho.... ; )

[wkhanna]

you may want to hit up [email protected] for a quote on the 034 hfc.....

i have had V good experiences with him....[up]

combine with dp & stage II apr & you will hit the sweet spot... ; )

[tominabox1]

you may want to hit up [email protected] for a quote on the 034 hfc.....

i have had V good experiences with him....[up]

combine with dp & stage II apr & you will hit the sweet spot... ; )Ah thanks already have money down on USP/Spulen hfc. Just have to wait a bit to install

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[wkhanna]

Ah thanks already have money down on USP/Spulen hfc. Just have to wait a bit to install


its a biash if you are doing it yourself...
...no clearance for a socket wrench the way the oem cat bulges out next to where the flange bolts to the turbo are.....

....just saw some special wrench adapters today while surfing....

[stussy2870]

so.... Does this thing work in 2015? Box says 2009-2014, 2015 not listed on Modbargains but ECS says its good on 2009+ ??

[bat6wc]

so.... Does this thing work in 2015? Box says 2009-2014, 2015 not listed on Modbargains but ECS says its good on 2009+ ??


Yes. Worked on my 2016.

[wkhanna]

so.... Does this thing work in 2015? Box says 2009-2014, 2015 not listed on Modbargains but ECS says its good on 2009+ ??

you are welcome to try mine for a week if you want to come down to Pittsburgh (mt washington) to get it ......

[chrislane31]

The application guide is not correct. I have a 2016 allroad and ordered based off of that and got the wrong part. Look at your map sensor like in the pics above, if the sensor is brown and has the little extra nub on the side you need D440-0046. I am waiting to install mine.

[stussy2870]

you are welcome to try mine for a week if you want to come down to Pittsburgh (mt washington) to get it ......

No Sh1t?? Thats very cool of you. I'd Love too, Can i touch base with you in about 3 weeks-- Going out of town next and this week is a wash..

[wkhanna]

No Sh1t?? Thats very cool of you. I'd Love too, Can i touch base with you in about 3 weeks-- Going out of town next and this week is a wash..

yes, i am serious....
....just passing it on.... from all the help i have already gotten from the generous folks here..... ; )

i am out of town feb 15 - 23, so that would be a good time for you to try it.....

[stussy2870]

I was mistaken.. I'm out of town 12th through the 19th... :/ - If we can sync up after your return -great, If it doesnt work - totally understand and appreciate the gesture!

[wkhanna]

no worries, stussy!

actually, if you want, we could meet up at Folwer (https://www.fastcoproductions.com/) on a saturday.

it is worth checking out if have you have not ever been there.....

[chrislane31]

Installed this weekend and took less than 5 mins and felt the difference right away. Saw the traction light come on for the first time. Still having some issues connecting to the app.

[tominabox1]

Installed this weekend and took less than 5 mins and felt the difference right away. Saw the traction light come on for the first time. Still having some issues connecting to the app.

My OnePlus 5 doesn't even see it in the Bluetooth devices, I had to go use my old Moto X. Its set and forget really so not a huge deal but certainly caused some concern at first.

[BeerBrent]

You guys still happy with it?
Thinking of getting one. I’m all stock under the hood (only ECS turbo hose & AFE filter).

[tominabox1]

You guys still happy with it?
Thinking of getting one. I’m all stock under the hood (only ECS turbo hose & AFE filter).Definitely. In sport+ mode it adds a lot of gusto. In Race it feels like a wound up spring!

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[BeerBrent]

^ Awesome. Thanks!

[chrislane31]

Tried another phone this weekend and still connect to it.

[tominabox1]

Tried another phone this weekend and still connect to it.

I think there's a problem with Android N. I'm not sure of any way to workaround besides use an older version of Android or iOS.

[XCELR8]

Still super happy here.

[chrislane31]

Tried a newer android and newer ios, next is to try an older ios and see if that works.

[tominabox1]

Tried a newer android and newer ios, next is to try an older ios and see if that works.

Maybe you're doing something wrong. You don't have to "pair" to it, just open the dinan app and it should show up in the lists if it works with your OS.

[chip_]

Maybe you're doing something wrong. You don't have to "pair" to it, just open the dinan app and it should show up in the lists if it works with your OS.

Correct it will open to a search screen, select the dinan device and you should be set.

[chrislane31]

I had the car on, but not running and it just keeps saying No Dinantronics device detected.

[wkhanna]

I had the car on, but not running and it just keeps saying No Dinantronics device detected.

does the red led turn on when the ignition is on?
if it is, try repositioning the module........ that can sometimes improve reception of the signal, so i have heard, anyway......

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4766/25663777417_81644cac48_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/F6PyUZ)

[keiffr]

I had the car on, but not running and it just keeps saying No Dinantronics device detected.

Are you still having issues? On iOS, there are 2 apps: "D-Sport" and "DINANTronics". D-Sport is the app that works with the chip. DINANTronics will not.

[chrislane31]

Yes got it all squared away, but still have not gotten boost readings.

[wkhanna]

I was mistaken.. I'm out of town 12th through the 19th... :/ - If we can sync up after your return -great, If it doesnt work - totally understand and appreciate the gesture!

i may be available this weekend if you wanna try out my dinan module......

[stussy2870]

Hey Bill,

Thanks for the offer. I think i'm just going to buy it. Dinan is a trusted company - a buddy of mine has a BMW with a bunch of Dinan aftermarket parts. I cant imagine that this product doesn't do what it says..

Again, appreciate the offer tremendously!

[chrislane31]

Hey Bill,

Thanks for the offer. I think i'm just going to buy it. Dinan is a trusted company - a buddy of mine has a BMW with a bunch of Dinan aftermarket parts. I cant imagine that this product doesn't do what it says..

Again, appreciate the offer tremendously!

You may want to check that you get the correct kit. I ordered off of their application for a 2016 allroad and it did not work and had to order a different kit for a 2013 allraod. The allroad was broken down to 2013-2015 and 2016-2017. Many people have ordered the wrong kit following their application guide.

[stussy2870]

You may want to check that you get the correct kit. I ordered off of their application for a 2016 allroad and it did not work and had to order a different kit for a 2013 allraod. The allroad was broken down to 2013-2015 and 2016-2017. Many people have ordered the wrong kit following their application guide.

I went with the a4 Tuner:D440-0046. That was the one that I was told would work.. hope so :)

Aslo got these..
OBD Fusion App (IOS) 9.99
Wifi Scanner - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076Z83NZ2/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 17.99


The app supposedly does these things - among many others:
- Performance Calcluations for 1/4 mile, 0-60
- Display HP and Tq
- Display Boost Pressure in "real time"
- Display Calculated Air-to-Feul ratio

lots of others too.. Seemed waaaaaay beyond my need so i bought it lol!

[coupegt7]

I went with the a4 Tuner:D440-0046. That was the one that I was told would work.. hope so :)

Aslo got these..
OBD Fusion App (IOS) 9.99
Wifi Scanner - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076Z83NZ2/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 17.99


The app supposedly does these things - among many others:
- Performance Calcluations for 1/4 mile, 0-60
- Display HP and Tq
- Display Boost Pressure in "real time"
- Display Calculated Air-to-Feul ratio

lots of others too.. Seemed waaaaaay beyond my need so i bought it lol!
How do you like the OBD scanner? How accurate is the boost , power gauge, was the install plug and play?

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[stussy2870]

How do you like the OBD scanner? How accurate is the boost , power gauge, was the install plug and play?

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Dunno, should get it all today-- Ill follow up once i do :)

[wkhanna]

Hey Bill,

......... I think i'm just going to buy it. Dinan is a trusted company
my BIL used to work with them back in the 80's


- a buddy of mine has a BMW with a bunch of Dinan aftermarket parts. I cant imagine that this product doesn't do what it says..

it works on a V simple principal.. it just tells the ecu its seeing less boost that it is....
no other parameters are effected or adjusted....
some think this is just fine..... others think not, as many other parameters are not monitored, adjusted & balanced as would be in a "proper" tune.

my feeling is that the ultimate boost in intake pressure is at a level that a car in good running order thats been well maintained should be able to hold up just fine to this minor modification.

to me, it is all about realistic expectation.....
this thing is good for maybe 10% increase at best.....

if you can get one for < $200, then i fail to see any reason not to if your looking for a small gain in performance....

for me, its a good little toy till i get my apr stage two.... at which time i will just flip it, (pay it forward, as they say) at a reasonable used price to some one here, hopefully, who will enjoy it as much i do....

until then, it works just fine.... [up]

[stussy2870]

Its been delivered!! whoohoo! Hopefully i can mess around with it a little bit tonight.

[wkhanna]

http://www.htguide.com/forum/images/smilies/dancebanana.gif


give it some time...

mine seemed to improve with mileage, as if the ecu was re-learning how best to use it....?

jmmo ymmv

[stussy2870]

How do you like the OBD scanner? How accurate is the boost , power gauge, was the install plug and play?

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Ok so heres what i got so far..

The scanner is super easy to use, it literally is just plug it in and connect to its Wifi. The Stock app is GARBAGE.. you need to purchase an app..

The ODB Fusion App is pretty cool. The performance calculations seem pretty accurate (did a bunch of 0-60 runs). On the other hand, the boost gauge has to be wrong.. I've peaked boost over 30Psi - I'm pretty sure thats bogus so i'm not hanging any hats there. The best part of the app imo is the logs. You can start a log and run through the gears. You'll get a real time graph showing you HP/TQ/boost and in the background a CSV file is capturing second by second data. Using that i was able to see peak HP/TQ numbers (among other useless information) and compare those numbers pre-post Dinan piggyback install. Heres the data in a nutshell:

Pre Dinan -High water marks:
226.71 HP - - 259.63 TQ - - 0-60 6.01

Post Dinan -High water marks:
252.33 HP - - 287.35 TQ - - 0-60 5.65

Worth noting, i have no other performance mods...not even an intake.

The Butt Dyno feels like theres something there but without the logging tool i'd be on the fence with how much performance was actually gained from the Piggyback. Numbers dont lie though.. right??


So gains were 25.6HP/27.7Tq/0.36s 0-60


Thoughts??


PS- the Dinan App's boost gauge was WAYYYY more realistic.. Showing boost in the 8-14lb range with a spike at 19psi.

[tominabox1]

Ok so heres what i got so far..

The scanner is super easy to use, it literally is just plug it in and connect to its Wifi. The Stock app is GARBAGE.. you need to purchase an app..

The ODB Fusion App is pretty cool. The performance calculations seem pretty accurate (did a bunch of 0-60 runs). On the other hand, the boost gauge has to be wrong.. I've peaked boost over 30Psi - I'm pretty sure thats bogus so i'm not hanging any hats there. The best part of the app imo is the logs. You can start a log and run through the gears. You'll get a real time graph showing you HP/TQ/boost and in the background a CSV file is capturing second by second data. Using that i was able to see peak HP/TQ numbers (among other useless information) and compare those numbers pre-post Dinan piggyback install. Heres the data in a nutshell:

Pre Dinan -High water marks:
226.71 HP - - 259.63 TQ - - 0-60 6.01

Post Dinan -High water marks:
252.33 HP - - 287.35 TQ - - 0-60 5.65

Worth noting, i have no other performance mods...not even an intake.

The Butt Dyno feels like theres something there but without the logging tool i'd be on the fence with how much performance was actually gained from the Piggyback. Numbers dont lie though.. right??


So gains were 25.6HP/27.7Tq/0.36s 0-60


Thoughts??


PS- the Dinan App's boost gauge was WAYYYY more realistic.. Showing boost in the 8-14lb range with a spike at 19psi.Your calculations basically mirror what I estimated from MAF measurements and experience.

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[wkhanna]

PS- the Dinan App's boost gauge was WAYYYY more realistic.. Showing boost in the 8-14lb range with a spike at 19psi.

same here....[up]

[stussy2870]

I have some more information to share.. Im now questioning life based on these findings.... Ughhh.. Ill post here in a few..

[stussy2870]

Ok, so as i eluded to a few moments ago...

(All tables were sorted by Highest to Lowest for Tq)

Using ODB Fusion (IOS App) i was able to generate some log files. I wont bore everyone with posting results from each.. this one below pretty much sums up my stock runs. Didnt take the car much past 60mph but it was WOT at every possible moment.

https://mllpzg.bl3301.livefilestore.com/y4mkoAzYzBI5CvNNYv2LPl3op0OEXZc616vfdOyCOKAEKnKl3i ouOSYWmocYXKTfNZNgAizT8yTezzPx8AAA5wDOY2WA320xV1Ni HVy8sPssxGbOlCdGwDrpyYveegXO0s1HraoPFCNSEShTw5aj1O skwj8MoLokMCOck1v5Bo3Ydh10qb8YVhMzfQf0JHnRcDhCZL3J T0814ctdecPzU4taA?width=1229&height=429&cropmode=none


Same App, 2 days after installing the Dinan and did a highway merge up to about 80MPH and the below was the capture.. as you can see.. RIDICULOUS numbers.. i mean straight up crazy..

https://mvlpzg.bl3301.livefilestore.com/y4mmAtBDUCpNyYL2HCkx4wMKKhbWp9cPx-qmhS45eQAH-Rc9lDyX8hOcqrN4aKBB3kJtWq2Ukg2XqnPMkbZfjZVPF8Sn5n6 ztRr-1U84NiUQH1GidAXGse8ek3uxqCHLcepfsgxpAJTCWQtuuC7Iob DFBBReoT0uAstWR8FZqsk3gMa0ptwV0f94oHGk6BBv7mLkW9-eGrQcSo69LsO7g5WWQ?width=1221&height=366&cropmode=none

So my stock runs turned out stock numbers (as expected) and then my Dinan runs have turned out some pretty insane numbers - numbers that are far beyond my capacity to believe to be true..
The car does feel a whole lot different, to the tune of 90Ftlb's...Nah..cant see that being the case..

I guess where i'm going with this is...WTF?!?!?!

[tominabox1]

Ok, so as i eluded to a few moments ago...

(All tables were sorted by Highest to Lowest for Tq)

Using ODB Fusion (IOS App) i was able to generate some log files. I wont bore everyone with posting results from each.. this one below pretty much sums up my stock runs. Didnt take the car much past 60mph but it was WOT at every possible moment.

https://mllpzg.bl3301.livefilestore.com/y4mkoAzYzBI5CvNNYv2LPl3op0OEXZc616vfdOyCOKAEKnKl3i ouOSYWmocYXKTfNZNgAizT8yTezzPx8AAA5wDOY2WA320xV1Ni HVy8sPssxGbOlCdGwDrpyYveegXO0s1HraoPFCNSEShTw5aj1O skwj8MoLokMCOck1v5Bo3Ydh10qb8YVhMzfQf0JHnRcDhCZL3J T0814ctdecPzU4taA?width=1229&height=429&cropmode=none


Same App, 2 days after installing the Dinan and did a highway merge up to about 80MPH and the below was the capture.. as you can see.. RIDICULOUS numbers.. i mean straight up crazy..

https://mvlpzg.bl3301.livefilestore.com/y4mmAtBDUCpNyYL2HCkx4wMKKhbWp9cPx-qmhS45eQAH-Rc9lDyX8hOcqrN4aKBB3kJtWq2Ukg2XqnPMkbZfjZVPF8Sn5n6 ztRr-1U84NiUQH1GidAXGse8ek3uxqCHLcepfsgxpAJTCWQtuuC7Iob DFBBReoT0uAstWR8FZqsk3gMa0ptwV0f94oHGk6BBv7mLkW9-eGrQcSo69LsO7g5WWQ?width=1221&height=366&cropmode=none

So my stock runs turned out stock numbers (as expected) and then my Dinan runs have turned out some pretty insane numbers - numbers that are far beyond my capacity to believe to be true..
The car does feel a whole lot different, to the tune of 90Ftlb's...Nah..cant see that being the case..

I guess where i'm going with this is...WTF?!?!?!Well we have already established the boost levels are nowhere near realistic as read by the ecu, which may explain why some of users are getting underboost codes from time to time. (I do hope it's not really a leak or worse)

We need someone to dyno....

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[G_Wagon]

Well we have already established the boost levels are nowhere near realistic as read by the ecu, which may explain why some of users are getting underboost codes from time to time. (I do hope it's not really a leak or worse)

We need someone to dyno....

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Well a piggyback works by tricking the ecu and one of the values is boost, so...

[wkhanna]

Well a piggyback works by tricking the ecu and one of the values is boost, so...

this!

wish i had my podi boost gauge installed....

soon, hopefully......

[tominabox1]

Well a piggyback works by tricking the ecu and one of the values is boost, so... How are you doing the hp calculations? If boost is in the calculation then your calculations mean nothing is what I meant.

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[wkhanna]

all i know is that when running the torque app, the boost #s i get are hard to take seriously..... ; )

[G_Wagon]

all i know is that when running the torque app, the boost #s i get are hard to take seriously..... ; )

Bc a piggyback fucks w the boost numbers in the ecu

[wkhanna]

Bc a piggyback fucks w the boost numbers in the ecu

....which would explain why the only reasonable #s i get are when using the dinan app....
....with an assumption that the dinan app applies a correction to the data it is accessing from the ecu.... ?

[chrislane31]

Just putting this out there. I have a D440-0046 for sale for $150 shipped in the USA. Only used about a month and a half, comes with the original box and some cable ties.

[artsgotagun]

So after installing this piggyback, I know get the infamous underboost code......yay...lol

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[chip_]

So after installing this piggyback, I know get the infamous underboost code......yay...lol

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I got that with the neuspeed one. I think I got the code once with the Dinan. My turbo got replaced under my cpo.

[wkhanna]

...yep, me too when i had it......