S5 Sportback - B&O Speaker Question

[triz08]

Since the S5 sportback does not have a rear deck unlike the the coupe, does the SB have less speakers installed? If it has the same number of speakers as the coupe, does anyone know where the rear deck speakers were moved to?

I was looking at a A5 sportback at my local dealer and was not able to locate the placement of the rear speakers. My buddy that works at Audi wasn't sure as well.

[Alessandro]

Since the S5 sportback does not have a rear deck unlike the the coupe, does the SB have less speakers installed? If it has the same number of speakers as the coupe, does anyone know where the rear deck speakers were moved to?

I was looking at a A5 sportback at my local dealer and was not able to locate the placement of the rear speakers. My buddy that works at Audi wasn't sure as well.

as far as i know same amount of speakers, the rear subw. is close to the spare tire.

[Ihatecats78]

Good question.. just changed my order from an S4 to an S5 Sportback.. I'm keeping an eye on this thread.

[beavertom]

Good question.. just changed my order from an S4 to an S5 Sportback.. I'm keeping an eye on this thread.

I did exactly the same thing as you. Dealer was nice enough to make another order for S5 Sportback and since the S4 was already scheduled to complete by end of May. I would also like to learn the answer for OP question as well.

[aaronz]

FYI the B&O speakers suck....like majorly. Had them in my B8.5 S4, Mk3 TTS, was always happy. Got it in my sportback....super pissed.No mid range, treble way to overpowered off the front glass and horrible, horrible, horrible bass. I am very frustrated listener right now, highway speeds with sunroof open....forget about it everything will distort except for the crazy over powered highs. Settings are in check, I am not trying to bass box my car just looking for a punch; music like nirvana, Calvin Harris, everything but country(because I don't listen to it) just sounds like crap at 1/4 or volume or higher. Gain set to lowest. Treble one mark past TDC, bass 2 pass TDC, sub 2 past TDC, speed gain off.


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[plat]

FYI the B&O speakers suck....like majorly. Had them in my B8.5 S4, Mk3 TTS, was always happy. Got it in my sportback....super pissed.No mid range, treble way to overpowered off the front glass and horrible, horrible, horrible bass. I am very frustrated listener right now, highway speeds with sunroof open....forget about it everything will distort except for the crazy over powered highs. Settings are in check, I am not trying to bass box my car just looking for a punch; music like nirvana, Calvin Harris, everything but country(because I don't listen to it) just sounds like crap at 1/4 or volume or higher. Gain set to lowest. Treble one mark past TDC, bass 2 pass TDC, sub 2 past TDC, speed gain off.

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Have you heard of the saying 'try before you buy'? Also, is the music source material recorded properly? If it was equalized like crap during recording, it will come out crap.

[plat]

Since the S5 sportback does not have a rear deck unlike the the coupe, does the SB have less speakers installed? If it has the same number of speakers as the coupe, does anyone know where the rear deck speakers were moved to?

I was looking at a A5 sportback at my local dealer and was not able to locate the placement of the rear speakers. My buddy that works at Audi wasn't sure as well.

According to this article from the Bang & Olufsen website (http://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/solutions/automotive/audi/a5-sportback), the surround speakers are placed in the parcel shelf. I have a feeling they are not at the movable parcel shelf but somewhere on the sides of it near the C-pillars. As other posters have mentioned, the sub is in the spare tire well under the trunk.

[aaronz]

Have you heard of the saying 'try before you buy'? Also, is the music source material recorded properly? If it was equalized like crap during recording, it will come out crap.

Never? What does that mean try before you buy, I just write the check and hope for the best....[emoji848]

These are items you assume are handled properly by two quality (majority of the time anyways) companies. My observation is everyone else's benefit to check if the B&O is actually worth the upgrade.

Direct plug in using Tidal....it's not the source and is not Bluetooth limiting the quality. Only variable I can think of is the TTS and S4 had a much smaller cockpit area so the sound needed less effort to fill the space. Knowing audi and B&O they could have just stepped down the speaker quality...again, but kept the label.


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[aaronz]

Second observation; sounds great with all windows up and medium - low volume. But highway with the sunroof open...that's where my gripe is


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[plat]

Never? What does that mean try before you buy, I just write the check and hope for the best....[emoji848]

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Then stop bitching about something that does not please you. You took the risk with out trying something out, accept the consequences of your actions. Sound is subjective and differs from person to person. The way you describe how your B&O system sounds is when someone recorded their source material with the equalizer set to the 'smiley face' setting where mid-range is lacking, treble is over-boosted, and bass is muddy. What you are hearing from your system is not how a B&O system should sound. A lot of owners of the B9 series cars like the quality of the B&O system.

[aaronz]

Then stop bitching about something that does not please you. You took the risk with out trying something out, accept the consequences of your actions. Sound is subjective and differs from person to person. The way you describe how your B&O system sounds is when someone recorded their source material with the equalizer set to the 'smiley face' setting where mid-range is lacking, treble is over-boosted, and bass is muddy. What you are hearing from your system is not how a B&O system should sound. A lot of owners of the B9 series cars like the quality of the B&O system.

You're funny, I'll bitch about anything that doesn't please me. Get off the internet and go find a sandbox if you don't like complaints on the internet.

[emoji1316]


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[plat]

You're funny, I'll bitch about anything that doesn't please me. Get off the internet and go find a sandbox if you don't like complaints on the internet.

[emoji1316]


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Whatever... you big baby.[hail]

[aaronz]

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[northernstar]

Since the S5 sportback does not have a rear deck unlike the the coupe, does the SB have less speakers installed? If it has the same number of speakers as the coupe, does anyone know where the rear deck speakers were moved to?

I was looking at a A5 sportback at my local dealer and was not able to locate the placement of the rear speakers. My buddy that works at Audi wasn't sure as well.


Did a bit of youtube/google searches, and I believe I found the location of rear speakers in Sportback.
The speakers are located on the C-pillars, right above a some kind of plastic bracket next to the seat headrest.

Larger image @
http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2016/09/2018-Audi-S5-Sportback-European-Spec-rear-seat.jpg

http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2016/09/2018-Audi-S5-Sportback-European-Spec-rear-seat.jpg

[beavertom]

Great job finding that speaker!! I could only see it in the larger image! :)

[northernstar]

Great job finding that speaker!! I could only see it in the larger image! :)

Thank you!
I gave up on finding the subwoofer location though. lol

Some of the search results took me to the 1st generation a5 sportback OEM subwoofer at Ebays.. And I believe it was like 8".
If it's the same, I might end up spending additional dollars to upgrade the subwoofer when it arrives in August.

[triz08]

Cool nice find! I did not notice those in person. Thanks

[doug97gxe]

FYI the B&O speakers suck....like majorly. Had them in my B8.5 S4, Mk3 TTS, was always happy. Got it in my sportback....super pissed.No mid range, treble way to overpowered off the front glass and horrible, horrible, horrible bass. I am very frustrated listener right now, highway speeds with sunroof open....forget about it everything will distort except for the crazy over powered highs. Settings are in check, I am not trying to bass box my car just looking for a punch; music like nirvana, Calvin Harris, everything but country(because I don't listen to it) just sounds like crap at 1/4 or volume or higher. Gain set to lowest. Treble one mark past TDC, bass 2 pass TDC, sub 2 past TDC, speed gain off.


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Interesting ... according to the B9 S4 Owners it sounds better than the B8.5 S4 .. i was skeptical

[wam22]

From the product information booklet:

Specifications
• 19 speakers on Coupe and Sportback models, 20 speakers on Cabriolet
• 16-channel Class D amplifier
• 755 watts and 5.1 Surround Sound support
• Speed-sensitive volume control
• Anodized aluminum speaker grille finish with “Dynamic Line” design

[aaronz]

Thank you!
I gave up on finding the subwoofer location though. lol

Some of the search results took me to the 1st generation a5 sportback OEM subwoofer at Ebays.. And I believe it was like 8".
If it's the same, I might end up spending additional dollars to upgrade the subwoofer when it arrives in August.

Sub is in the trunk under the spare...in a plastic enclosure


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[jb606]

Yep, the sub is in the trunk under the spare tire.

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/IMG_20170527_132846.jpg (http://www.audizine.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=88085&title=s5sb-sub&cat=500)

[8VS3]

Has anyone had a chance to hear the how the normal 10 speaker system sounds yet? Thinking of moving to an S5 Sportback from an S3 with the B&O system but likely won't be going Technik this time around.

[northernstar]

Sub is in the trunk under the spare...in a plastic enclosure


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I'm not looking for a hiphop-thumping bass, but clean/deep/rich bass... and the location of the sub worries me a bit.
I guess I gotta wait until my SB arrives to see how it sounds.

[northernstar]

Yep, the sub is in the trunk under the spare tire.

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/IMG_20170527_132846.jpg (http://www.audizine.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=88085&title=s5sb-sub&cat=500)

Thank you for the photo.
How's the overall sound? What kind of music do you listen to? Does it deliver?

[QuaTTrings]

I'm not looking for a hiphop-thumping bass, but clean/deep/rich bass... and the location of the sub worries me a bit.
I guess I gotta wait until my SB arrives to see how it sounds.

It surprisingly travels through the trunk pretty well. The A7's have their subs in the same location for the Bose and Bang & Olufsen systems. For some reason comparing factory bass of the 7 vs the 5, it seems the bass is less muffled. The tiny 6.5" has a lot of movement.

[northernstar]

It surprisingly travels through the trunk pretty well. The A7's have their subs in the same location for the Bose and Bang & Olufsen systems. For some reason comparing factory bass of the 7 vs the 5, it seems the bass is less muffled. The tiny 6.5" has a lot of movement.

I didn't even know there was a 6.5" subwoofer.. Thought 8" subwoofers were the smallest.. Interesting.
Thank you for the info! Can't wait to drive and hear the sound!

[northernstar]

FYI the B&O speakers suck....like majorly. Had them in my B8.5 S4, Mk3 TTS, was always happy. Got it in my sportback....super pissed.No mid range, treble way to overpowered off the front glass and horrible, horrible, horrible bass. I am very frustrated listener right now, highway speeds with sunroof open....forget about it everything will distort except for the crazy over powered highs. Settings are in check, I am not trying to bass box my car just looking for a punch; music like nirvana, Calvin Harris, everything but country(because I don't listen to it) just sounds like crap at 1/4 or volume or higher. Gain set to lowest. Treble one mark past TDC, bass 2 pass TDC, sub 2 past TDC, speed gain off.


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Ok.. so I gotta agree with aaronz's assessment on B&O speakers... Had the SB for about 3 months now, and so far I'm very dissapointed in mid-bass sounds that the system is delivering.
2 mark past TDC on bass and sub create distorted booming sound even at low ~ 1/4 volume level.. I was hoping the sound would get better after the speaker break-in, but I am highly doubting at this point.
AFY, i listen to ambiant trance/electronica (BT, Chicane, Grum, etc) most of the time while I'm driving.

I was searching for B&O speaker replacement information and I landed on Korean website for the 1st Gen SB with B&O speakers.
http://m.post.naver.com/viewer/postView.nhn?volumeNo=6223817&memberNo=917295

The pictures pretty much tell the story, and the blogger (owner of the auto sound shop) was quite surprised and dissapointed with the factory B&O speakers. He pretty much summarized that the B&O speakers were not that far from non B&O factory low-end speakers.

According to B&O website, and 2018 SB has
"16-channel DSP amplifier with more than 750 watts"
https://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/solutions/automotive/audi/a5-sportback

Which seems better than the previous generation's 10-channel DSP amplifer - 505 watt & 14 loudspeakers
(https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0ahUKEwjg7oaLosvWAhUTzWMKHXpMC1EQFghFMAY&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bang-olufsen.com%2Fcar-audio%2Fcar-models%2F~%2Fmedia%2F02EC93F1205D4F72BDDFC00D07E26 7B2.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGXgjRZkW_9Km3u1m2EYmaiFPKtrg)

I'm gonna start to search and visit auto sound specialists to see if just upgrading those 19 loudspeakers (including the sub) and utilizing the existing amp will improve the overall sound quality.
I want to do very little modifications and retain the factory look... so I'll have to see what kind of compromise I need to make.

If anyone already swapped the speakers or thinking about replacing the factory or B&O speakers, please share any thoughts or concerns you guys ran into.
Would love to hear other people's perspective on this.

[Neon01]

Ok.. so I gotta agree with aaronz's assessment on B&O speakers....
If anyone already swapped the speakers or thinking about replacing the factory or B&O speakers, please share any thoughts or concerns you guys ran into.
Would love to hear other people's perspective on this.

Agree 100%. Just bought my S5 SB tonight. Sadly, didn't have the ability to really put it through it's paces during the test drive. After trading in my 2013 B8.5 S4 for this, I have to say I'm very very disappointed in the B&O system. Being the absolute best stock stereo system I'd ever owned (and that list includes the >$3k premium sound option on the E90 M3, which ALSO had no low end...), I had faith in B&O and Audi to not bugger this up royally. Now I see how badly they've done with the B9, and I'm really disappointed.

As the first poster mentioned, the system was at its worst at highway speeds with the sunroof open. Mid-bass and bass were lacking until I cranked it up to the 2-3 oclock position, then they were too much. Treble was WAY too bright at stock 12 oclock position, and while it was improved turned down several ticks, it was clear that the EQing going on was at too high a frequency (~8 khz, I'd guess), where the problem was a bit lower (in the ~4 khz octave) with a pretty narrow Q. Even the options for 3D effects and so forth seemed much worse than in the S4.

Overall I'm loving the car, but I have to say a sound system is extremely important to me, so this stings. Hopefully someone will develop a P&P solution to this sometime soon.

Edit: after some more listening and playing with settings, I realized that the issue definitely seems to be with the implementation of Bluetooth and possibly even Android Auto. Radio seems to be processed with a much different EQ for some reason, and it actually sounded pretty damned decent with a good HD station. Trouble is, I don't use radio much with Spotify, and switching back and forth is a pain since I have to wildly adjust all my settings when going from media to radio (since they're not independent to input, of course). I'm really hoping Audi fixes this at some point.

[Stankia]

Replacing the mid-bass drivers will be pretty much impossible since they are oval shaped and pointed 90 degrees firing towards the back of the car. I added a aftermarket sub which helped a lot but the whole sound is still ways off from perfect, the highs are way too harsh.

[Neon01]

Replacing the mid-bass drivers will be pretty much impossible since they are oval shaped and pointed 90 degrees firing towards the back of the car. I added a aftermarket sub which helped a lot but the whole sound is still ways off from perfect, the highs are way too harsh.

Did you try reducing the 3D effects and moving the soundstage to the rear (forget whether that's fade or balance) by a couple of clicks? I found that this helped a lot to tone down the brightness in the front stage somewhat.

[QuaTTrings]

I agree I've done something similar, leaving the surround and 3D settings turned way down or off and treble @ about half. I'm actually pretty satisfied with our B&O after replacing the factory 6.5" plastic box. Soon as I picked up the car in June, I started trying out both 8 and 10" subwoofers. In the end, I opted to build a fiberglass sealed enclosure for dual 8"s. Bass is very tight, linear, transitions well with the rest of the factory system and drops deep when needed.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.audiworld.com-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-20170902_112749_b9a8e0753110fa5e6e1684ba0d1c49065b c7c82d.jpg



Did you try reducing the 3D effects and moving the soundstage to the rear (forget whether that's fade or balance) by a couple of clicks? I found that this helped a lot to tone down the brightness in the front stage somewhat.

[northernstar]

Edit: after some more listening and playing with settings, I realized that the issue definitely seems to be with the implementation of Bluetooth and possibly even Android Auto. Radio seems to be processed with a much different EQ for some reason, and it actually sounded pretty damned decent with a good HD station. Trouble is, I don't use radio much with Spotify, and switching back and forth is a pain since I have to wildly adjust all my settings when going from media to radio (since they're not independent to input, of course). I'm really hoping Audi fixes this at some point.

I also noticed the sound difference between USB/SD Card and Radio. The sound coming out from USB and SD Card seems to kill mid.

[northernstar]

Based on Stankia and QuaTTrings' experiences... I'll look into replacing the subwoofer.
Looks like 1st generation had lots of customized subwoofer stealthboxes available in the aftermarket.
I wonder if there are aftermarket stealthboex enclosures for the B9 models.

[bayarea_s5]

I wasn't too happy with the B&O system myself because I was playing from either XM radio, Bluetooth, or via USB but after reading a few suggestions I've taken in consideration of buying an SD card and converting all my music to FLAC (Lossless) in result to that, the sound system has significantly improved! It's a lot of work to convert but the improvement is worth the hassle imo.

[steverl]

^^
I too am planning to convert my audio files to FLAC. What audio software are you using/recommend?

[bayarea_s5]

Im using a software called WinX HD Video Converter.. its great because it can also copy videos from YouTube and convert it back to either just audio or audio + video to any format.

[GreyLens]

I agree I've done something similar, leaving the surround and 3D settings turned way down or off and treble @ about half. I'm actually pretty satisfied with our B&O after replacing the factory 6.5" plastic box. Soon as I picked up the car in June, I started trying out both 8 and 10" subwoofers. In the end, I opted to build a fiberglass sealed enclosure for dual 8"s. Bass is very tight, linear, transitions well with the rest of the factory system and drops deep when needed.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.audiworld.com-vbulletin/2000x2000/80-20170902_112749_b9a8e0753110fa5e6e1684ba0d1c49065b c7c82d.jpg

This is the config I have planned. I won't build it myself but I've found someone who will. Dual 8's...looks good...I'm sure it will get me the sound I want.

[Neon01]

More playing with the system today, and I'm more convinced than ever that there is some kind of auto feedback and equalization routine going on with this system, and my guess is that it's very badly calibrated or dialed in. Few reasons I say this:

1. After hours of additional listening under different conditions, I realized that the system actually *does* sound considerably better with the windows shut and engine off. It sounds the worst when the windows are open at high speeds with lots of wind noise. I'll get back to this in a minute.

2. The other day when I was dialing in the balance and fade to bring the soundstage to the back, I noticed that the point at which the system said it was focused actually *changed* each time I entered the balance/fade screen. The little circle would be slightly off from where it was supposed to be (dead center laterally, slightly south of center vertically). To me, this seems like pretty solid evidence that there is some form of dynamic equalization going on. If it's not using some form of mic(s) to form the feedback, I don't know why it would be doing this at all.

3. (the most compelling) Today I started messing with an EQ app on my phone, figuring if I couldn't get fine control of the EQ band with the B&O system, I'd just do it on the source (Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge) since I use bluetooth audio 95% of the time anyway. Here's the kicker - when I cranked the EQ (+12dB) at 150Hz offending area, it DID fix the huge hole in mid-bass, but after only a second or two, the overall output of the entire stereo went down dramatically. Almost to the point that I couldn't hear it. My speculation is that it picked up the peak in the input signal and normalized the entire freq. spectrum accordingly, then applied it's own wacky EQ and transforms. The result, after a moment, was that I had the little volume bar at over 70%, but could barely hear the sound. Lowering it to a more normal volume (around 25-30%), it was inaudible. Flattening the EQ on my phone again brought the sound level right back to where it was.

The fact that the system sounds radically different with the windows up and down indicates to me that it's incorrectly compensating for the wind (and likely road) noise that the EQ mics are picking up.

Incidentally, my E90 M3 had the "enhanced premium" stereo as well, which was a hugely expensive option that added a ridiculous amount of digital filtering and auto equalization. All it really got me was a system that sounded extremely bright, had pretty terrible midbass, and was nearly impossible to replace components on. Line level signal outs were completely jacked because you had to dynamically remove the equalization AND find digital processors that could interface fiber optics in lieu of good old copper. I fear that, unless Audi somehow fixes the issues with the B&O setup, I may find myself in a similar situation with the S5.

Just my 2c

[Stankia]

^^ I believe the lack of loudness when messing with equalizers is an Android problem. Get some headphones and try adjusting the EQ and you will experience the same thing.

[northernstar]

I wasn't too happy with the B&O system myself because I was playing from either XM radio, Bluetooth, or via USB but after reading a few suggestions I've taken in consideration of buying an SD card and converting all my music to FLAC (Lossless) in result to that, the sound system has significantly improved! It's a lot of work to convert but the improvement is worth the hassle imo.
I dont know much about sound processing but I doubt converting a lossy file format to lossless format will 'upgrade' the sound...since it already lost the frequency range to begin with. But I guess it is worth a try.

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[bayarea_s5]

eh it was much more suitable fix for me than hassle myself to spending more money on it. I actually enjoy the exhaust note more than the sound system if anything LOL.

[Groove1]

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I found this enclosure by Basser, a European company, that is designed to fit in a B8.5 Sportback’s cubby in the side of the trunk. I am just not sure if it would fit in the B9. This would be the best solution for me as I don’t want to get rid of the spare and don’t want lose space in the trunk. It looks like it could work but hesitant to order until I get confirmation.


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[alvin2792]

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Do you have a link for this?

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[Groove1]

http://sklep.basser.pl/en/fit-box-enclosure/688-audi-a5-sportback-fit-box-subwoofer-enclosure.html

[QuaTTrings]

I found this enclosure by Basser, a European company, that is designed to fit in a B8.5 Sportback’s cubby in the side of the trunk. I am just not sure if it would fit in the B9. This would be the best solution for me as I don’t want to get rid of the spare and don’t want lose space in the trunk. It looks like it could work but hesitant to order until I get confirmation.


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Unfortunately the B8 enclosures wont fit into our 'B9s'. Initially back in late June, I contacted a manufacturer in Europe (probably a different company than the one you are speaking of) that also made them for the "B8" S5 Sportback, and he sent me the template. The shape/measurements were off compared to my "B9". Its not too involved to build one yourself though.

[Groove1]

Unfortunately the B8 enclosures wont fit into our 'B9s'. Initially back in late June, I contacted a manufacturer in Europe (probably a different company than the one you are speaking of) that also made them for the "B8" S5 Sportback, and he sent me the template. The shape/measurements were off compared to my "B9". Its not too involved to build one yourself though.

Thanks a lot for the info. I contacted the manufacturer and they said it would fit but they asked for pics of my trunk to confirm. I requested they send me dimensions of the front of the enclosure. I may try to build one myself but was hoping I could just purchase one.


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[RS4AWLEY]

You're funny, I'll bitch about anything that doesn't please me. Get off the internet and go find a sandbox if you don't like complaints on the internet.

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You're right to complain about such a feature without using it. Based on previous history of B8 B&O performance, and an enhancement to the B9 platform, you have every reason to believe it would be far superior in sound.

[RS4AWLEY]

Let me start by saying I had one of the first S5 Sportbacks' delivered in Canada (April 2017) and was VERY alone on the topic of audio performance. Now that I've followed up on my research, I finally find others struggling with this!

Also, I work for Audi Downtown Toronto and have the opportunity to test, compare and measure the differences in performance.

Here is how they rank with a B9 platform (tested with identical MMI audio settings, Android Auto Spotify source, audio settings on Spotify set to "extreme quality):


>>>S4: top-notch performance. The A-pillar speakers add amazing depth and the bass hits HARD at all volume levels. You feel like you're at a live concert. UNBELIEVABLE performance. Best I've experience in any Audi to date, including the "advanced" B&O systems featured in C and D segment cars (A6, A7, A8)

>>>A4 allroad: Open wagon concept that still performs well. Using the S4 as a benchmark, it produces about 85% of the relative performance

>>>Q5: SUV open body that also performs well. Continuing to use the S4 as a benchmark, the Q5 produces about 75% of the relative performance

>>>S5 Sportback: Open body with frameless doors: Performance is fine with ideal conditions; closed windows/sunroof, not at a high speed, and volume no more than mid-range. THIS is where things get ugly. Bass is terrible over 50% volume, driving on the highway produces worse results, and opening a window/sunroof compounds all of these factors.

I thought I was taking crazy pills. Your comments help me believe, at least for this particular reason, i'm not losing my mind.

In fact, I am ordering an S4 for my next lease based on a tighter driving feel, better acceleration and B&O performance. To me, the insanely good looks of the S5 Sportback are worth the aforementioned trade-off.

Have questions? Want me to test something for you? Feel free to reach out.

Thanks for everyones input - great comments.

[RS4AWLEY]

Your S3 with B&O will outperform a B9 platform (an S5 coupe or Sportback) in all areas.

The S3 will sound better than the S5 Sportback when volume is above mid-range. The S5 loses quality of bass over 50% volume, where the S3 maintains power throughout. Lower range will allow the S5 to sound more "crisp" from the A-pillar speakers.

[RS4AWLEY]

Has anyone had a chance to hear the how the normal 10 speaker system sounds yet? Thinking of moving to an S5 Sportback from an S3 with the B&O system but likely won't be going Technik this time around.

Your S3 with B&O will outperform a B9 platform (an S5 coupe or Sportback) in all areas.

The S3 will sound better than the S5 Sportback when volume is above mid-range. The S5 loses quality of bass over 50% volume, where the S3 maintains power throughout. Lower range will allow the S5 to sound more "crisp" from the A-pillar speakers

[jonpark]

My front passenger speaker on the dash blew( dealer fixed under warranty) and yesterday big center speaker from the dash blew and it's currently rattling....

[MrBlahBlah]

Hmmmm so I suppose the suggestions are: listen to music with the windows up and sunroof closed, and turn down the treble in the EQ.

I currently have a BMW 428xi with the better-than-stock Harman Kardon "premium" sound system and it's pretty meh as well. There isn't even a subwoofer (though I guess the S5 Sportback may as well not have one either). What's weird is that XM satellite radio sounds like absolute garbage on the sound system, but it much better with music over bluetooth. So I guess its the opposite problem in the Audi.

I just put an order in for a S5 Sportback and ticked the B&O option so it's a little sad to hear about the quality. Is there any difference between bluetooth or a phone over USB, (and further, if you are or aren't using CarPlay or Android Auto)?

[Groove1]

Hmmmm so I suppose the suggestions are: listen to music with the windows up and sunroof closed, and turn down the treble in the EQ.

I currently have a BMW 428xi with the better-than-stock Harman Kardon "premium" sound system and it's pretty meh as well. There isn't even a subwoofer (though I guess the S5 Sportback may as well not have one either). What's weird is that XM satellite radio sounds like absolute garbage on the sound system, but it much better with music over bluetooth. So I guess its the opposite problem in the Audi.

I just put an order in for a S5 Sportback and ticked the B&O option so it's a little sad to hear about the quality. Is there any difference between bluetooth or a phone over USB, (and further, if you are or aren't using CarPlay or Android Auto)?

B&O is fine as long as you add a sub. The stock speakers can’t handle bass. With a after market sub and amp you can turn the bass down and let the sub do the heavy lifting with the bass. See my stealth install. 5564455645


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[luv2sleep]

B&O is fine as long as you add a sub. The stock speakers can’t handle bass. With a after market sub and amp you can turn the bass down and let the sub do the heavy lifting with the bass. See my stealth install. 5564455645


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Turned out niiiiice! Would you mind sharing where you tapped the bass signal from (one of the speakers or from the stock sub)? Thanks in advance.

[RS4AWLEY]

The best quality audio source will be uncompressed audio from a CD (still retains a 6-disk changer in the glove box), followed by directly connecting via USB with Android Auto or Apple Car Play. I set Spotify to be "extreme quality" to ensure the highest bitrate is being delivered.

Honestly, the B&O is good, however, it weakens under the aforementioned conditions in my previous comment. Clarity is VERY good (A-pillar speakers add 3D audio depth). Bass gets rough over 50% volume. Sounds like some folks have come up with clever resolutions to this problem.

Nice work!

[RS4AWLEY]

Hmmmm so I suppose the suggestions are: listen to music with the windows up and sunroof closed, and turn down the treble in the EQ.

I currently have a BMW 428xi with the better-than-stock Harman Kardon "premium" sound system and it's pretty meh as well. There isn't even a subwoofer (though I guess the S5 Sportback may as well not have one either). What's weird is that XM satellite radio sounds like absolute garbage on the sound system, but it much better with music over bluetooth. So I guess its the opposite problem in the Audi.

I just put an order in for a S5 Sportback and ticked the B&O option so it's a little sad to hear about the quality. Is there any difference between bluetooth or a phone over USB, (and further, if you are or aren't using CarPlay or Android Auto)?

I have to reduce bass based on volume input. Over 50% volume, bass needs to be reduced to avoid sounding "flat".

[MrBlahBlah]

I have to reduce bass based on volume input. Over 50% volume, bass needs to be reduced to avoid sounding "flat".

Great, thanks - can't wait to give it a try!

[Groove1]

Turned out niiiiice! Would you mind sharing where you tapped the bass signal from (one of the speakers or from the stock sub)? Thanks in advance.

I tapped into the stock sub signal. The stock sub has dual voice coil so there are 4 wires going to the sub. I left the stock sub hooked but I only have the sub volume at 50%, this way the stock sub does not distort. I have the volume on my amp turned up so that my JL speaker dominates the bass output.


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[ChrisMG]

Agree 100% on the sound system reviews on my S5 Sportback even with Windows closed. Lacking mid-bass, muffled low base that distorts with volume past 50%, over-powered highs. From the iPhone perspective, the system sounds MUCH better over blue tooth. Deeper sound and much less harsh highs than the USB connection. I cannot listen to the system over USB as the highs, even at low volume, bother my ears. This is disappointing as you need to be connected to USB to use Apple Play. Pop, Rap, Blues, Clean guitar music sound best on the system over Bluetooth only. Rock/distorted guitar music sounds muddled and uninspiring.

The premium BOSE system in my prior Infiniti RS400 Q60 sounded much, much better.

From the B&O site:

"GALA PLUS

The Bang & Olufsen Sound System uses a microphone integrated in the ceiling of the cockpit to measure changing noise conditions, and automatically adapts the volume and balance accordingly. At the same time, the intelligent loudness system ensures that the perceived balance of bass, mid-range and treble remains constant at all volume levels to ensure clean, crisp and precise sound."

So this seems to confirm suspicions.

I have the Soundstage set to the Front as I thought it sounded best with this setup. Balanced does not sound good to me and while the Rear setting does reduce the harsh highs, the sounds seems to isolated from the Front listening position. For those that changed to the Rear Soundstage, what did you do with other balance settings, etc.?

Would love a solution to this. Given the feedback of much different experiences over different sources and inputs, it definitely seems to be more of a processing/eq issue than a low quality speaker issue. I can see how the upgraded subwoofer would help with the low-bass but that won't fix the mid-range bass, right?


<<<Update>>>

I have to say I am very pleasantly surprised, but like others have noted, after about 1,800 miles of driving the sound has warmed up considerably. The harsh highs have disappeared and there is much more mid-range base. I know much of this is subjective, but I have actually achieved better sound quality turning up the surround and 3D effect to their maximum settings. This is the opposite of my prior BOSE experience. The system still struggles a bit with low, low base and could benefit from an upgraded sub-woofer, but I am very happy with the dramatic turn-around of sound quality after the speaker break-in. Good quality on both bluetooth and the USB connected to an iPhone.

[GUNZ504]

I added a 10 JL micro sub (amp-ported JL box combo) and it sounds awesome! Subwoofer control works the new added sub just fine Treble 3 clicks from Max, Bass 2 clicks down from center, and Sub control in the middle. 3D and surround off. I messed with 3D and surround setting and can't tell big differences so I turned it off. I did notice if I turn it up and sit in back seat the rear pillars speakers seem to put out minimal sound? Not sure if anyone else noticed that.

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[GinoC7]

What if you instead replaced the factory subwoofer with a different one, so you wouldn’t have to go through the hassle of installing everything? It may not sound as good but it may be easier. Here’s a link to a possible replacement, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008MAG9YG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_2vKXAb30180CP
And then you would go about of opening the enclosure, splicing the wires, and reinstalling.

Protip:

Also if you want the best sound quality from your phone, disable CarPlay or Android Auto because the sound quality is noticeably worse when playing through them. And make sure on iPhones sound check is disabled {Settings>Music>Sound Check = o}. For some reason MMI will constantly turn it on.

[ChrisMG]

Thank you to all who posted the great ideas. Added a couple of 8" JL subs with an XD600 JL amp. Wow, what a difference the additional bass makes. System now sounds great with windows up or down. Turned bass a few clicks down from center and the sub volume a quarter turn past center. Had the old sub removed. Hired the professionals at Luxury Details in MA. They performed meticulous custom work.

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[jpenneck]

Thank you to all who posted the great ideas. Added a couple of 8" JL subs with an XD600 JL amp. Wow, what a difference the additional bass makes. System now sounds great with windows up or down. Turned bass a few clicks down from center and the sub volume a quarter turn past center. Had the old sub removed. Hired the professionals at Luxury Details in MA. They performed meticulous custom work.

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Now that is a great install! Awesome job!

[AlisoA4]

I have to agree. Just got my 2018 S5 SB the other day and while the sound system is "good", it does not compare with the Fender system in my MK7 Golf GTI. The Fender system, to me, sounded GREAT from day 1 with little to no adjustments. In the S5, I'm still fiddling with the levels (bass & subwoofer).

[wyld]

Thank you to all who posted the great ideas. Added a couple of 8" JL subs with an XD600 JL amp. Wow, what a difference the additional bass makes. System now sounds great with windows up or down. Turned bass a few clicks down from center and the sub volume a quarter turn past center. Had the old sub removed. Hired the professionals at Luxury Details in MA. They performed meticulous custom work.

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http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/Unknown-11.jpegSo I'm guessing you removed the spare tire or is this below the spare?

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[Tourmanager12]

I was so glad I was able to find this thread online. I purchased a new A5 sportback a little over a month ago and love the car, but I’m disappointed with the B&O system. It almost seems like the subwoofer is out of phase. The bass sounds great in the car when my front doors are open, but it sounds terrible when the doors are closed. I have tried everything posted in this thread, including shifting the balance to the rear of the car to improve the audio quality, but it is still lacking and I can’t flip the phase on the sub to see if that would help. Is anyone else having this issue? In two weeks I am having the stock B&O sub removed and putting in 3 JL Audio 10’s. That should fix it.

[Tourmanager12]

I’ll also add that I was disappointed that there is no mid EQ in the DSP.

[wyld]

I added the JL powered sealed micro sub in the trunk and have to turn the gain pretty far down to not overpower the B&O highs. Made a huge difference and I'm really glad I didn't go with the ported or anything bigger / custom. The hatch design lends to a lot of volume and the rest of the system just wouldn't be able to keep up if it was any louder.
I was so glad I was able to find this thread online. I purchased a new A5 sportback a little over a month ago and love the car, but I’m disappointed with the B&O system. It almost seems like the subwoofer is out of phase. The bass sounds great in the car when my front doors are open, but it sounds terrible when the doors are closed. I have tried everything posted in this thread, including shifting the balance to the rear of the car to improve the audio quality, but it is still lacking and I can’t flip the phase on the sub to see if that would help. Is anyone else having this issue? In two weeks I am having the stock B&O sub removed and putting in 3 JL Audio 10’s. That should fix it.

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[jpenneck]

I added the JL powered sealed micro sub in the trunk and have to turn the gain pretty far down to not overpower the B&O highs.

Can you share a photo of your install ?

[JohnEnglish]

I have the B&O system in my S5 SB and I really like it. It sounds better then the B&O system in my B8.5 S4. I listen to all types of music. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[wyld]

Can you share a photo of your install ?Ignore that coat hanger. I had it to prevent the box from falling over but industrial strength velcro is doing the trick just fine. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180916/f367e1e8aba4d907cfbe3a7b8f61d206.jpg

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[Corvettefan117]

I agree I've done something similar, leaving the surround and 3D settings turned way down or off and treble @ about half. I'm actually pretty satisfied with our B&O after replacing the factory 6.5" plastic box. Soon as I picked up the car in June, I started trying out both 8 and 10" subwoofers. In the end, I opted to build a fiberglass sealed enclosure for dual 8"s. Bass is very tight, linear, transitions well with the rest of the factory system and drops deep when needed.

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I need HELP. I got a brand new A5 Sportback. Really like the car however....I am having the craziest problem with my stereo. I have always have extra speakers in my cars from full builds to just adding a sub. The B&O sounds pretty good but the bass is non existent for my liking. So I added my Rockford P2 12 inch sub from my previous vehicle into this car. I purchased a brand new Apline Amp - I believe the same one you have (500 watts, class D mono amp). There is also a Wavetech bass processor hooked up. I had this professionally installed by a very reputable stereo install shop and have been back already about this issue. Bottom line: When I get in the car....there is about a 75% chance that the bass will be on and working but there is a 25% chance that it will not be working. It happens mostly at night but sometimes in the day. This is NOT from loose wiring. If it were, the bass would cut in and out while driving. Once the bass is on at start up...it will remain on and never turn off. On the other hand, once the bass is off at start up...it will never come on. Something is happening at start up and we CAN NOT figure this out. Today, I disconnected the factory sub and it still has the same issue. I thought perhaps that had something to do with it. Ive started the car with the lights off, with the lights on, with day time running lights off and with them on. Have you experienced any of these issues with your set up? We think it could be a battery issue but I've had the battery tested and it seems to be fine. Any suggestions would be great!!!

Thank you

[cj91586]

I need HELP. I got a brand new A5 Sportback. Really like the car however....I am having the craziest problem with my stereo. I have always have extra speakers in my cars from full builds to just adding a sub. The B&O sounds pretty good but the bass is non existent for my liking. So I added my Rockford P2 12 inch sub from my previous vehicle into this car. I purchased a brand new Apline Amp - I believe the same one you have (500 watts, class D mono amp). There is also a Wavetech bass processor hooked up. I had this professionally installed by a very reputable stereo install shop and have been back already about this issue. Bottom line: When I get in the car....there is about a 75% chance that the bass will be on and working but there is a 25% chance that it will not be working. It happens mostly at night but sometimes in the day. This is NOT from loose wiring. If it were, the bass would cut in and out while driving. Once the bass is on at start up...it will remain on and never turn off. On the other hand, once the bass is off at start up...it will never come on. Something is happening at start up and we CAN NOT figure this out. Today, I disconnected the factory sub and it still has the same issue. I thought perhaps that had something to do with it. Ive started the car with the lights off, with the lights on, with day time running lights off and with them on. Have you experienced any of these issues with your set up? We think it could be a battery issue but I've had the battery tested and it seems to be fine. Any suggestions would be great!!!

Thank you


Corvettefan117,

If you are getting it sometimes it sounds like a grounding issue. Where is the ground connected. make sure it is firm on the metal body of the car.

CJ

[Corvettefan117]

Thanks for the response. Would a ground issue cause an problem only as start up? Meaning once it’s on it would never go off? Just an FYI....the internal factory sub also does NOT work when the issue happens. Would a ground issue cause the internal sub to not come on sometimes? Even though I’ve had stereo equipment in my cars for years and years....I’m never the one to do the install. What I’m saying is....unfortunately my knowledge on installs is limited.

[cj91586]

Thanks for the response. Would a ground issue cause an problem only as start up? Meaning once it’s on it would never go off? Just an FYI....the internal factory sub also does NOT work when the issue happens. Would a ground issue cause the internal sub to not come on sometimes? Even though I’ve had stereo equipment in my cars for years and years....I’m never the one to do the install. What I’m saying is....unfortunately my knowledge on installs is limited.

Go though the wiring. It depends if the ground moves. Doesnt sound like it after rereading the symptoms. Do you understand how the wiring is supposed to go? Trace it out and see how everything is connected. Its a new car and a new sub system. Is the amp and Wavetech bass processor on when this happens? Or is it one or the other? Turn down the bas on both and see what happens. Maybe the bass is cutting out because its going into protection mode.

[tbone323]

You need to first figure out the source of the probelem, not the symptom. When the sub is NOT working, is your amp ON? Is the bass processor ON? My guess is your amp is not getting turned on so it have any output.

Seems if you used a reputable installer, they would know the proper troubleshooting steps. What did they say?

[MrSkimo]

This, and other threads, inspired me. I talked to a local audio shop about what kinds of upgrades I could make to the B&O sound system in my B9 Sportback while keeping my MMI head unit.

They initially ordered a Zen-V, but discovered that would require replacing the amp for all my speakers. So we changed it up and just used a line out converter to run to a mono amp and sub, retaining the factory sub control.

They built a custom enclosure in the passenger side trunk cubby with a 10” sub, and a rack in the driver side cubby for a mono amp.

With turning down the base, and turning up the subwoofer it greatly improved the sound.

Audiomobile EVO 24 10 D4 Slim sub
Alpine R-A75M 750w Class D amp

Highly recommend adding a good subwoofer. Thanks for the inspiration.



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[RoB9]

Looks great!

[Mr.Fingerfast]

So happy to find this thread.
I still cannot believe how B&O and Audi ruined such a good car...

Anyway - I want to change my subwoofer (driver only) and cannot decide on replacement. Any suggestions?
Have anyone actually tried that before?

I do not need more power, I just need it on time when playing "Seven Nation Army" [:d]

[MrSkimo]

I’d talk to a local audio shop. I think you’ll have a hard time finding just a higher quality driver. The current one is pretty anemic, and I think it would be hard to find a decent one that would fit in that space and sound good with the current power supply.

Someone else here may know how much dedicated power is going to the subwoofer channel. My install guy said that all the speakers were running off the same app.


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[heymoe]

I saw this get posted on Facebook today. Thought it might come in handy here.

Quote of the Facebook post: "B9 owners who are looking to replace some of the speakers in the B&O system: I spent some time trying to characterize the power, frequencies, and mechanical aspects of every speaker in the car. I hope this information is useful for anyone else who wants to go down the rabbit hole." -Bobby Kinstle

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ftkRt8rz1ZgtTtAs-NRYAIkHbtRuhX2cu702CeuqhVs/

[MrSkimo]

I saw this get posted on Facebook today. Thought it might come in handy here.

Quote of the Facebook post: "B9 owners who are looking to replace some of the speakers in the B&O system: I spent some time trying to characterize the power, frequencies, and mechanical aspects of every speaker in the car. I hope this information is useful for anyone else who wants to go down the rabbit hole." -Bobby Kinstle

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ftkRt8rz1ZgtTtAs-NRYAIkHbtRuhX2cu702CeuqhVs/

Wow - that is awesome info. Thanks!


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[ChrisMG]

I believe I have some good news for everyone that is still disappointed with their B&O sound system. I posted earlier on this thread my dissatisfaction in the harsh highs and lack of mids and proper bass in the sound system. I also experienced the distortion when turning the volume past 50%. Additionally, I could never enjoy the system in the All Speaker mode as it sounded terrible, thus I always had it on Front focus. I did install a custom dual subwoofer setup that greatly improved bass, but the system was still never right.

Well, I was also experiencing the Backup Camera Top Down View software bug that is well documented. When I heard that Audi finally released a software update #1316 to fix this, I scheduled a dealership appointment to update. I had read that the software update fixed a few things including the start hesitation in D drive mode that is not present in S mode. However, after picking up my car I was thrilled to immediately notice that the B&O Sound System was completely different after the software update. Gone were the harsh highs, mid sounds were now present, much better bass was now delivered in the front and rear speakers and there was no more distortion. I can now turn the volume up to 100% with no distortion. The system sounds night and day better than it did before. It now sounds great in the All Speaker mode.

Clearly there was a Sound Processing issue in the B&O system that Audi identified and fixed with this software update. While I wished they updated owners of this fact, I am very glad they fixed this. And yes, my Top Down Camera mode is now fixed and I have no more start hesitation in D mode.

Hope this works out for everyone else still experiencing these issues!

[ChrisMG]

Incredible info heymoe, thank you for taking the time to post.

[SwissMTNAlien]

I added two JL Audio 8w3v3 subs in the spare tire well after seeing a similar setup from QuaTTrings. The B&O speakers sound great but the bass was definitely lacking. The system sounds awesome now!


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[Yoshimura]

Well, I was also experiencing the Backup Camera Top Down View software bug that is well documented. When I heard that Audi finally released a software update #1316 to fix this, I scheduled a dealership appointment to update. I had read that the software update fixed a few things including the start hesitation in D drive mode that is not present in S mode. However, after picking up my car I was thrilled to immediately notice that the B&O Sound System was completely different after the software update. Gone were the harsh highs, mid sounds were now present, much better bass was now delivered in the front and rear speakers and there was no more distortion. I can now turn the volume up to 100% with no distortion. The system sounds night and day better than it did before. It now sounds great in the All Speaker mode.
I did a scan before and after the 1316 update (I was on 1178) and the only updated module is Information Electr.

[hevnsnt]

I added a Kicker 11HS8 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LXDIEBP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) Hideaway Compact 8in Powered HS8 Sub Box, and have it mounted in the trunk and [finally] pretty happy with the B&O system (pic is before I strapped it down)

https://i.imgur.com/nfU3hDw.jpg

[blak0137]

I did a scan before and after the 1316 update (I was on 1178) and the only updated module is Information Electr.

Sorry to ask a newbie question, but how could you tell what version you were on? Is that the version number in the about section on the MMI?

[hevnsnt]

Sorry to ask a newbie question, but how could you tell what version you were on? Is that the version number in the about section on the MMI?

Here is how to see your MMI version (https://www.audiworld.com/forums/audi-a5-s5-rs5-coupe-cabrio-b9-220/%93hidden%94-features-2949768/page4/#post25156476)

[blak0137]

Here is how to see your MMI version (https://www.audiworld.com/forums/audi-a5-s5-rs5-coupe-cabrio-b9-220/%93hidden%94-features-2949768/page4/#post25156476)

OK, that’s what I was looking at, I wasn’t sure because my version number appears to be considerably older at 0918.

[hevnsnt]

You should take your car into the dealer and get the 1316 update. Lots of good updates.

[blak0137]

Just got the car back from the dealer and verified that the 1316 update was applied. Wow, the difference in the sound is dramatic. The sound quality isn’t the best car speaker system I’ve ever heard but it is a huge step in the right direction vs what it was before. The most important thing for me is that the sound from CarPlay is distinctly better now than it was before, which is great because about 99% of my listening is via CarPlay.

[ChrisMG]

Just got the car back from the dealer and verified that the 1316 update was applied. Wow, the difference in the sound is dramatic. The sound quality isn’t the best car speaker system I’ve ever heard but it is a huge step in the right direction vs what it was before. The most important thing for me is that the sound from CarPlay is distinctly better now than it was before, which is great because about 99% of my listening is via CarPlay.

Glad to hear this worked out for you and get confirmation that I wasn't crazy :)

[Evilcupcakes]

I have the B&O system in my S5 SB and I really like it. It sounds better then the B&O system in my B8.5 S4. I listen to all types of music. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I have a b9 rs5 and it smokes my old 09 s5. CarPlay does have better sound quality then Bluetooth and I make sure my iPhone’s eq is off. I love the sound quality. Mine is a coupe tho not a sport back. I guess we got lucky ?

[ZeroHertz]

I believe I have some good news for everyone that is still disappointed with their B&O sound system. I posted earlier on this thread my dissatisfaction in the harsh highs and lack of mids and proper bass in the sound system. I also experienced the distortion when turning the volume past 50%. Additionally, I could never enjoy the system in the All Speaker mode as it sounded terrible, thus I always had it on Front focus. I did install a custom dual subwoofer setup that greatly improved bass, but the system was still never right.

Well, I was also experiencing the Backup Camera Top Down View software bug that is well documented. When I heard that Audi finally released a software update #1316 to fix this, I scheduled a dealership appointment to update. I had read that the software update fixed a few things including the start hesitation in D drive mode that is not present in S mode. However, after picking up my car I was thrilled to immediately notice that the B&O Sound System was completely different after the software update. Gone were the harsh highs, mid sounds were now present, much better bass was now delivered in the front and rear speakers and there was no more distortion. I can now turn the volume up to 100% with no distortion. The system sounds night and day better than it did before. It now sounds great in the All Speaker mode.

Clearly there was a Sound Processing issue in the B&O system that Audi identified and fixed with this software update. While I wished they updated owners of this fact, I am very glad they fixed this. And yes, my Top Down Camera mode is now fixed and I have no more start hesitation in D mode.

Hope this works out for everyone else still experiencing these issues!

Uh I just added a subwoofer to my Sportback which made a huge difference but I am now just reading this and am sorely disappointed with Audi not notifying me about this. Sigh...

[ChrisMG]

Uh I just added a subwoofer to my Sportback which made a huge difference but I am now just reading this and am sorely disappointed with Audi not notifying me about this. Sigh...

You won't be disappointed that you added the subwoofer, it still helps a lot. But definitely go get the update and you will be very happy with the combo.

[Zed 2.0]

Clearly there was a Sound Processing issue in the B&O system that Audi identified and fixed with this software update. While I wished they updated owners of this fact, I am very glad they fixed this. And yes, my Top Down Camera mode is now fixed and I have no more start hesitation in D mode.

Hope this works out for everyone else still experiencing these issues!

Do you have the work order for this service? I'm trying to understand how an MMI software update would impact throttle/transmission behavior.

[ChrisMG]

Do you have the work order for this service? I'm trying to understand how an MMI software update would impact throttle/transmission behavior.

The work order does not reference the start hesitation only the top/down camera mode issue that I reported and the related TSBs. It also did not reference any audio update but clearly there was a change there. I'm not sure if Audi only performed an MMI update but the car definitely stopped hesitating in D mode after the update work. I ran across other posts on the forums that have noted a change in D behavior after this update, so not sure if there was any programming changes to the transmission. I saw one post that stated the car was stopping and starting in second gear for fuel economy in D mode. Not sure if this was true or the root cause of the issue.

[SupahDave]

If any of you want to really get pissed, try getting in a 2016 S3 with B&O.... That was the best audio system any Audi had prior to the new Q8/A6/A7/A8 models arrived. Trust me, I had one and the sound is insane compared to my B9 RS5. One of the stores that I run is an Audi dealer and I even demonstrated it to my rep from AoA and he was even blown away by the difference. The B&O system in my SB is MEHHHH at best... I'll definitely be spending some money on upgrading the system.

[ZeroHertz]

Just got the update last Friday and happy with the top down camera finally working. Unfortunately, I do not notice much difference in the stereo system, in fact it seems to sound worse now😂😭. Can't seem to win...

[edleeid]

I recently got S5 SB 2018, noticed how horrible B&O sounds quality was compared to B8.5 S4 I had.

I read this forum, and mentioned it to service guy at Audi while my car was dropped off for a quick service. They've updated the MMI, and wow, it's a huge difference as others have mentioned!

Really appreciated the advice, ChrisMG! Hope everyone will have a chance to update. The guy mentioned there's nothing that says it improves the sound quality with the firmware update, so he was skeptical. but once I picked up the car, it's very obvious the firmware had done some magic.

[hevnsnt]

here is the manifest for the 1316 update [:)]
https://pastebin.com/GM4GacD7

You can see there were some changes to the amplifier, headunit, mmi, some various other things. Now what the changes were, I have no idea. I am not going to pull those bins apart.

[YianiD]

here is the manifest for the 1316 update [:)]
https://pastebin.com/GM4GacD7

You can see there were some changes to the amplifier, headunit, mmi, some various other things. Now what the changes were, I have no idea. I am not going to pull those bins apart.

Maybe a stupid question....but just go to your Audi dealer and say you want the 1316 software update? Do they charge for this? Thanks in advance!

[hevnsnt]

I told them that I was having the problem where when I put it in reverse, that the overhead cameras were not staying selected, and the audi forums said I needed the 1316 update. They did it with no problems/no charge (in KC)

[YianiD]

I checked to see what version I had and it says 1320. So does that mean since it's a higher number, mine has what would have been updated on 1316?? Thanks in advance!

[oc cc]

What are you guys paying for in terms of sub + amp + install?

I have called a few places here locally in Orange County, and prices were between $1k-1200. Seems a bit high, especially since I am not changing any speakers or anything. Curious to see what others have been paying at audio shops (obviously self installs will be MUCH cheaper).

[ChrisMG]

What are you guys paying for in terms of sub + amp + install?

I have called a few places here locally in Orange County, and prices were between $1k-1200. Seems a bit high, especially since I am not changing any speakers or anything. Curious to see what others have been paying at audio shops (obviously self installs will be MUCH cheaper).

I think it really depends on what you have done. I had dual subs, amp, custom enclosure and a custom spare tire cover with sub grills installed. It tool the shop over 2 days to perform the work. With parts and labor it was ~$3K.

[ZeroHertz]

I think I paid $650 for an amp and install and used an old JL8W7 high output box I had laying around. My installer was able to connect the amp to the sub controller in the MMI which I thought was impressive.

[JWreck]

I checked to see what version I had and it says 1320. So does that mean since it's a higher number, mine has what would have been updated on 1316?? Thanks in advance!

Generally yes. Where did you check the version info?


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[rdalal]

"If any of you want to really get pissed, try getting in a 2016 S3 with B&O.... "

I couldn't agree with this more. I just went from a 2015 A3 with B&O to my current 2019 S5 with B&O and the drop in audio quality is shocking. The A3 B&O sound system is just incredible. The bass and dynamic range of that setup was the best I've heard in any car at any price.

[wwhan]

Some links to check out on upgrades....

Bobby Kinstle; Complete guide of speakers in the B9 B&O system:
https://www.audiworld.com/forums/a4-b9-platform-discussion-212/complete-guide-speakers-b9-b-o-system-2972441/#post25317638
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Bobby Kinstle Audi B9 series B&O Upgrade Guide Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ftkRt8rz1ZgtTtAs-NRYAIkHbtRuhX2cu702CeuqhVs/edit#gid=0
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Changing all the speakers in a B&O sportback car:
https://www.audiworld.com/forums/audi-a5-s5-rs5-coupe-cabrio-b9-220/changing-all-speakers-b-o-sportback-car-2997092/
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Audi Sound System what are my upgrade options?:
https://www.audiworld.com/forums/audi-a5-s5-rs5-coupe-cabrio-b9-220/audi-sound-system-what-my-upgrade-options-2951896/
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A4/A5 Dashboard replacement speakers set for ASS (Audi Sound System) or EU Base Stereo:
https://www.audiworld.com/forums/audi-a5-s5-rs5-coupe-cabrio-b9-220/a4-a5-dashboard-replacement-speakers-set-ass-audi-sound-system-eu-base-stere-3004792/#post25498930
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Ideas to secure the Basser subwoofer box in the Sportback:
https://www.audiworld.com/forums/audi-a5-s5-rs5-coupe-cabrio-b9-220/ideas-secure-basser-subwoofer-box-sportback-2999109/#post25464629
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Anyone feel the B&O system in the S5 sportback is lacking in the bass department?:
https://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/776611-Anyone-feel-the-B-amp-O-system-in-the-S5-sportback-is-lacking-in-the-bass-department
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