Tegra 3 MMI Upgrade in Pre-Facelift A6

[andrewnprice]

Hi there, I have a 2014 A6 TDI and one of my major complaints with the car is how slow and clunky the MMI system in the vehicle is. As such I greatly want to upgrade the Tegra 3 based system that is present in the redesigned 2016 models. In that vein I went ahead and purchased the whole MMI assembly (CPU, DVD drive, SD/Sim card reader) used off of eBay and was hoping to swap it out. However there are a couple of issues with this plan, and so I am hoping that some of you fine folks will be able to help me out.

ISSUES:

1) The primary roadblock that I am running into is that nobody seems to know how to do the swap. When I purchased the car it only came with one key, and so I used a an authorized independent repair shop near where I live in Georgia, Premier Auto Repair, to get a new one made. While I was there I asked them about upgrading my system and he said he would not feel comfortable doing it because he was not sure if he would be able to get it to work. As such I am hoping someone on here will already have done it and can give me some info on what needs to be done to swap one unit for the other. I have done parts searches and as far as I can tell most of the supporting components have remained the same. I know I will have to swap out the center screen since the newer cars use a larger 8" unit, but as far as I can tell the slot in the dash is the same and just the screen is slightly larger in the housing. I also checked on the center display and that seems to be the same between generations. However because there doesn't seem to be a complete parts list available online for the 2016 A6 I can't tell if anything else has changed or if I am going to need to swap out wiring harnesses or something as well.

2) The used MMI components I bought came from a S7 I think that had the B&O sound system installed. Unfortunately my car only has the Bose system and I don't really want to have to swap out the whole stereo or go through some crazy adapters to get it to work. In looking at the systems assembly it appears to be very modular, and so I am hoping that the MMI mainboard pinouts have remained the same between iterations so that Audi can carry over parts from one generation as a means of reducing design and production costs. However I am not keen on pulling out my car's MMI system to check this for myself. As such I am hoping someone here will know: can you swap the assembly with the B&O output assembly to an MMI system that has the Bose outputs?

I know the rear faceplate is going to be different, but I am hoping the interior boards are modular. I am also assuming that Audi's engineers did not decide to reinvent the wheel and recycled the same enclosure and just changed the interior components. Worse comes to worse I can always adapt out the audio outputs if need be, but I hoped I would not have to deal with that.


Thanks in advance for any advice or thoughts you might have! :)

[Vampster]

Interesting post! Let me know how it goes because I was thinking of doing the same thing.


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[RAF_S7]

Well, my first thought is that all the original parts are coded to your car, so if you swap them out with the replacement parts, your going to have to get the dealer to code them to your car.

This is not something you can do with VCDS. Component protection can only be configured at the dealer, as it has to connected to the centralised brain in Germany.

My other comment is that l went from a 2014 A7 to a 2016 S7, and other than the LTE module making Google maps faster, and the centre dash navigation map, l honestly didn't find a huge difference between the two.

I don't think the B&O will cause an issue, lm pretty sure l read there is a software selection for whatever speaker system your running.

However, l don't think anyone (outside of the dealer) has been able to get into the new generation MMI configuration menu.

Cudos to you for trying though, l know a few people have talked about it, but l don't know anyone who has achieved it so far!

[drive]

[salilkw]

I searched on this when I bought my 14 A6 few months back but couldn't find much details. let us know how it goes.


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[Los Cuentos]

Hi,

I just saw your post.
I've done a lot of research about this and i can say that it is possible.

My new MIB II system is ready to be retrofitted. I will donit this weekend.
On monday i go to the dealer cause only they can code it with your VIN.
Just as said above, it must be connected with Audi servers in Germany. This probably because of functions like audi connect.

I have the new big screen, a new control panel, the MIB unit with audi connect and sim card and maybe the most important thing: a new gateway.

This is because the gateway of the pre facelift a6 can't communicate with the new MIB system.
Also the new gateway has the famous phone integration ( Carplay in my instance).

I will let you know how the retrofit was done. I will put it on my blog and maybe will post it here on the forum.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161207/07fef7408b06e0c6a3b5e47111bac20b.jpga

[andrewnprice]

Yeah definitely let me know if you were able to get it to work or if you ran into issues. I am very eager to swap out the unit in my car, but can't do it until someone else figures it out lol. Any information you have to share would be greatly appreciated! (Sorry for the delay in replying, I told it to notify me of any replies and I forgot to check back :(.)

[Los Cuentos]

Hi,

The unit is already installed into my car with the new gateway. Also ran some CAN cables cause the new MMI uses CAN to FIS and the MMI screen. The unit is playing but the screen doesn't come out and controls are not working now.
Went to the Audi dealer to make the CAN gateway protection free but they didn't managed to get it work.
I have a look at it on Monday to find the issue. I think it's someting with the component protection.
I will post when i know something more.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161217/f2a44739196aea0e27072cda4de6b791.jpg

[andrewnprice]

Hi,

The unit is already installed into my car with the new gateway. Also ran some CAN cables cause the new MMI uses CAN to FIS and the MMI screen. The unit is playing but the screen doesn't come out and controls are not working now.
Went to the Audi dealer to make the CAN gateway protection free but they didn't managed to get it work.
I have a look at it on Monday to find the issue. I think it's someting with the component protection.
I will post when i know something more.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161217/f2a44739196aea0e27072cda4de6b791.jpg

Thanks for the update man. Yeah, I am going to have to buy more parts it seems. I did not realize that you had to switch out so much stuff. Looks much more complicated than I had imagined. I hope you can get it to work. It would be no fun to go through all of that time and expense just to have it fail on you for some stupid reason.

If you could, when you get a chance, could you put together a parts list of everything that needs to be swapped?

[Los Cuentos]

Thanks for the update man. Yeah, I am going to have to buy more parts it seems. I did not realize that you had to switch out so much stuff. Looks much more complicated than I had imagined. I hope you can get it to work. It would be no fun to go through all of that time and expense just to have it fail on you for some stupid reason.

If you could, when you get a chance, could you put together a parts list of everything that needs to be swapped?

It is possible. I saw a video from Elebest on youtube who managed to get this work so it is possible.
You just need the following:


- MIB II headunit
- new bigger screen
- controls for the console in the center ( if you don't have the touch yet)
- CAN gateway from a facelift model
- bridge to connect the old optical wire that runs to the CAN gateway. (New one only uses CAN cables)
- 4 repair wires ( to solder from FIS to unit and from unit to screen)

That's all you need for parts

[andrewnprice]

It is possible. I saw a video from Elebest on youtube who managed to get this work so it is possible.
You just need the following:

- MIB II headunit
- new bigger screen
- controls for the console in the center ( if you don't have the touch yet)
- CAN gateway from a facelift model
- bridge to connect the old optical wire that runs to the CAN gateway. (New one only uses CAN cables)
- 4 repair wires ( to solder from FIS to unit and from unit to screen)

That's all you need for parts

Alright I will check that out. The guy I was talking to about doing this said he had heard talk about people doing it, but he just was not sure what all would be required and he was not comfortable tearing apart my whole dash if he wasn't sure he could get the new MMI system to work. My car already has the touch interface so that should simplify things I hope. Do you happen to have the part numbers for the CAN gateway and the bridge to connect the optical wires to it? (Not sure if the latter is an Audi part or not.)

Sorry to keep asking so much of you, I just want to make sure I get the right parts. This is my first time doing any mods on an Audi\VW so I am a bit nervous about making sure everything works properly.

[Los Cuentos]

That's no problem for me. I will have a look tomorrow. But I already can say that all part are genuine from Audi. Also the bridge.

[andrewnprice]

That's no problem for me. I will have a look tomorrow. But I already can say that all part are genuine from Audi. Also the bridge.

Thank you sir, I will see if I can find the part numbers but I will wait until I see yours to purchase anything. I want to make sure I get the right items. I appreciate you keeping me informed on everything, and please feel free to share any details or gotchas you run into along the way. I am very excited that someone else is trying this, and can't wait to do this with my own car :).

[saaari]

Hi there and greetings from Finland. I made this MMI High MIB2 (from MMI low) retrofit four weeks ago to A6 Avant 2016 with changing following components:
Main Unit 4G1 035 044 D
Display 4G1 919 601 J
Display 4G5 919 607 D (8")
Controller: 4G1 919 610 F

Currently I'm having problems to activate instrument cluster map, everything else works now properly. According to my car electrician he couldn't find the correct MIB2 adaptation codes for the cluster.

Have anybody investigated this part of retrofit issue yet?

[Los Cuentos]

Hi there and greetings from Finland. I made this MMI High MIB2 (from MMI low) retrofit four weeks ago to A6 Avant 2016 with changing following components:
Main Unit 4G1 035 044 D
Display4G1 919 601 J
Display4G5 919 607 D (8")
Controller: 4G1 919 610 F

Currently I'm having problems to activate instrument cluster map, everything else works now properly. According to my car electrician he couldn't find the correct MIB2 adaptation codes for the cluster.

Have anybody investigated this part of retrofit issue yet?

Have installed 2016 cluster?

[saaari]

Well my car is year model 2016, therefore the cluster should by applicable automatically to MIB2 and to the new HW for just choosing the instrument cluster map option in MMI, but in spite of this the map is not visible behind the steering wheel with some reason. According to the dealer the connection is most propably missing new adaptation codes (?) Now the cluster shows only compass instead navigation map from main unit.

I'v seen some thread discussions that the problem might be with MMI 3G hidden green menu instrument cluster mapping, even Audi dealer is not aware how to solve this currently due to latest MIB2 model applicable.

[Los Cuentos]

Well my car is year model 2016, therefore the cluster should by applicable automatically to MIB2 and to the new HW for just choosing the instrument cluster map option in MMI, but in spite of this the map is not visible behind the steering wheel with some reason. According to the dealer the connection is most propably missing new adaptation codes (?) Now the cluster shows only compass instead navigation map from main unit.

I'v seen some thread discussions that the problem might be with MMI 3G hidden green menu instrument cluster mapping, even Audi dealer is not aware how to solve this currently due to latest MIB2 model applicable.

Strange.


Just got my MIB II working in my Pre Facelift A6. But also don't have the map in the cluster.
Must have an other cluster with more pixels.
There is no option in the hidden green menu cause i looked in it today. Only diagnostics mode is available atm.

[saaari]

Question is how Elebest and all other retrofit companies succeeded to built MIB2 cluster connection both 2014 and 2016 year model A6 in their Youtube videos? I tried to get this answer from Elebest with negative responce to help. I don't believe that the issue is with the cluster itself. There is currently so many different enterprises doing these changes succesfully and nobody has confirmed any such issues. even Elebest has succeeded to built connection is 2014 C7.

Also Kufatec in Germany have built own set:

https://www.kufatec.de/shop/en/audi/a6/a6-4g/retrofit-kit-mmi-navigation-mmi-touch-audi-a6-4g

OEM eftermontering (Sweden):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUqC1CsvVqU

Strange indeed. Any clues ?

[Los Cuentos]

The question is if elebest uses a new cluster or the same old one...

[saaari]

I called to Kufatec and they don't change the cluster, only main screen, touchpad and main unit. Also same story in Elebest A6 Avant Youtube video.

[Los Cuentos]

I called to Kufatec and they don't change the cluster, only main screen, touchpad and main unit. Also same story in Elebest A6 Avant Youtube video.

Hmm interested. The question now is how they did it work.

[Alecs]

Hi. I was following your thread and as I am owner of a 2015 facelift A6 with MMI Radio Plus without Navi waiting for 2 years to find this retrofit available. I have discussed as well with some retrofitters including Kufatec last December as soon as they had the retrofit available for the facelift cars. What I wanted was a MIB2 retrofit (for speed, graphics, latest software)/ maps in the instrument cluster/ possibility of later ad-on of CarPlay (as I understood that the MIB2 hardware can offer this).
The answers I have so far:
1. Kufatec did not guarantee that their kit include MIB2! Do you know if there is also a MIB1 for Audi A6???
2. Maps are available in all FL clusters. FL models with monochrome cluster need to change the cluster. Otherwise should work. (One retrofitted even told me that maps can be even available in non FL cars equipped with MMI3g+ by upgrading the cluster only)> As I have a FL car, I was happy that maps should be easily available (but from Saaari's post it might not be like that)
3. CarPlay might be added but only to MIB 2, not available so far (again MIB2).

I was planning to buy the kit from Kufatec, but since they couldn't guarantee a MIB2 unit, I have postponed my idea to get more info.
I also need to find a local specialist as the Audi dealer doesn't want to get involved.

I will keep a close eye on your thread, as I am kin to do it as well, but there is not so much precise info on that.

Maybe you can at least help me with an answer regarding MIB1 vs MIB2. And is there any resolution difference between pre FL 8 Inch display and the FL 8 inch display?

Thank you and good luck on making it work! I will let you know if I find a specific answer to the cluster problem.

[Los Cuentos]

Hi. I was following your thread and as I am owner of a 2015 facelift A6 with MMI Radio Plus without Navi waiting for 2 years to find this retrofit available. I have discussed as well with some retrofitters including Kufatec last December as soon as they had the retrofit available for the facelift cars. What I wanted was a MIB2 retrofit (for speed, graphics, latest software)/ maps in the instrument cluster/ possibility of later ad-on of CarPlay (as I understood that the MIB2 hardware can offer this).
The answers I have so far:
1. Kufatec did not guarantee that their kit include MIB2! Do you know if there is also a MIB1 for Audi A6???
2. Maps are available in all FL clusters. FL models with monochrome cluster need to change the cluster. Otherwise should work. (One retrofitted even told me that maps can be even available in non FL cars equipped with MMI3g+ by upgrading the cluster only)> As I have a FL car, I was happy that maps should be easily available (but from Saaari's post it might not be like that)
3. CarPlay might be added but only to MIB 2, not available so far (again MIB2).

I was planning to buy the kit from Kufatec, but since they couldn't guarantee a MIB2 unit, I have postponed my idea to get more info.
I also need to find a local specialist as the Audi dealer doesn't want to get involved.

I will keep a close eye on your thread, as I am kin to do it as well, but there is not so much precise info on that.

Maybe you can at least help me with an answer regarding MIB1 vs MIB2. And is there any resolution difference between pre FL 8 Inch display and the FL 8 inch display?

Thank you and good luck on making it work! I will let you know if I find a specific answer to the cluster problem.


Hi Alecs,

1) As i known there is only the MIB 2 system but I can be wrong too. Can't tell you that 100% sure. But i think you only have the II, otherwise it is the MMI 3G+
2) Still figuring out how to get the maps working into the cluster. Yesterday I sent a mail to the guys from Elebest. Hope I get an answer pretty soon. I 2 CAN wires to my cluster following the manual from Audi's tool Elsawin.
3) Also still figuring out. But I can activate some adaption functions about the mirrorlink and carplay but the MIB doesn't show it. But it still needs an FW upgrade so i will have to look where I can get that FW.

[saaari]

Hi all,

Please see link to see ETKA versioning of MIB1/MIB2 (depending on manufacturing date and installed (bought) accessories):

http://nemiga.com/cat_spares/etka/audi/a6/798/035000/

Display 4G5 919 607 D (8") is the high resolution version.

[Alecs]

Good evening,

Hmmm, interesting. I believe only the specified ones are mib2, so this means that same car, same generation, same year, can have a better hardware or not. All the devices I saw for sale on ebay were mib 2 (at least this was written). When I first asked Kufatec last year, they said they cannot guarantee mib1 or mib2. I believe for everyday use there is no difference, but for future fw upgrades, mib2 is more versatile. I am planning to order the full kit from Kufatec, as I am not so good specialist to do it myself.

By the way, did you retroffit your AMI to the USB one?

[saaari]

Hi Alecs,

I think (my own amateur opinion) you're right about the MIB1 vs MIB2 differences in real life, for future updates preferably MIB2 is favorable but as far as MIB2 adaptation codes seems to a real pain in the ass, nobody seems to know for time being correct process even having VCDS/ODIS tools available. This cluster issue for example, only few first retrofit companies are aware how to proceed, both with pre-facelif and facelift C7 A6 model retrofits.
Hopefully some of the more knowledged other forum colleagues can advice about the coding issue (with instrument cluster) in near future, why even the Audi electricians don't know currently reason for the missing map visibility in the cluster.
As far as pre-facelift and facelift models retrofitting is quit expensive currently in comparison with buying the goods as factory installed ones. The overall cost will propably come down when the main unit can be easily coded based on available adaptation codes in these kind in forums and wanted configuration by using available tools (VCDS/ODIS etc.).
In my own case I just bought facelift rear highline reverse camera kit from Polish retfit company CarSystems.

http://www.carsystems.pl/audi-a6-4g0-from-model-year-2015-rear-highline-camera-kit-4s0-907-441b,id1819.html

As far as the AMI USB model for MMI, I bought used module 4G0035736 from eBay but couln't find for time being the correct harness yet. The reverse camera and USB unit will be installed when the cable is available.
I understood from Kufatec Germany that the CarPlay modification is available somewhere in March 2017.

Hopefully everything goes ok with the MIB2 coding. After these changes the installed retrofit is exactly same as original factory installed one, execpt the Connect-option which I have but Audi-server in Germany doesn't grant access to retrofitted systems at least for time being.

Ps. One issue as a advice to other A6 retrofitters. If your main unit will be changed from MMI low to MMI MIB2 high with SIM slot, you need to change also the roof antenna (with added GPS and radio cabeling) to get appropiate connection to 3G/4G through SIM card. The factory installed roof antenna is just fake cover without any connection to MMI. I bought GPS antenne (4G0035503E) version from eBay (40,00 EUR) and swapped the cover from factory installed one with original colour. Now the 4G connection is working with Google maps updates correctly with maximum speed.

Advices, comments etc. are highly appreciated !!

[Alecs]

Hi Saari,

Regarding MIB1/MIB2: I did some google search on the codes from the link you sent. The only MIB1 was the one for Japan. All other codes (for which I found pictures on ebay seem to be MIB2). From what I know, MIB2 is the only one that can hopefully be retrofitted to CarPlay in the future. By the way, when I asked the info regarding carPlay at Kufatec, they said it is not going to be available (like never). We will see. It will be nice to be available in March and hope it won't need a new head unit as I already invested quite a lot.

Meanwhile, I have ordered the kit from Kufatec. I will let you know what is inside (they said MIB2 including new AMI). It should work in the speedcluster as well. As soon as I receive it and have it installed, I will let you know. It should work, as they are professionals as far as I know and this is what they wrote to me black on white.

Regarding GPS antenna: I red that there is an alternative antenna that can be mounted in dash with the same result. I didn'd quite understand, you just switched the new antenna with the old one? One local retrofitting specialist told me that wires need to be connected if I want the original antenna.

Now, all this change of wires, was too much dismountling of car components? Besides the head unit, cluster, I suppose for AMI and camera some plastics and maybe carpet need to be taken away and put back? By the way, there is a cable kit for rear camera at Kufatec tailored by model at 89E.

Regarding Connect: I think this is an issue that Audi wants it controlled. I wonder why when you buy a unit as part, from a car that is not in service anylonger for sure, you are not able just to take over the previous "ownership" in the Audi database. Maybe becouse they just don't want cars to be retrofitted. Even for an Audi A6 in 2017 it is incredible that there is still an option to buy it without at least this MIB2 unit. They still sell RMC. On the Kufatec kit for exaple, it sais only Google Earth and a limited numbers of functions form Connect are working.

If CarPlay will be available Connect functions will not be interesting at all.

Regards,
Alecs

[Los Cuentos]

Hi Saari,

Regarding MIB1/MIB2: I did some google search on the codes from the link you sent. The only MIB1 was the one for Japan. All other codes (for which I found pictures on ebay seem to be MIB2). From what I know, MIB2 is the only one that can hopefully be retrofitted to CarPlay in the future. By the way, when I asked the info regarding carPlay at Kufatec, they said it is not going to be available (like never). We will see. It will be nice to be available in March and hope it won't need a new head unit as I already invested quite a lot.

Meanwhile, I have ordered the kit from Kufatec. I will let you know what is inside (they said MIB2 including new AMI). It should work in the speedcluster as well. As soon as I receive it and have it installed, I will let you know. It should work, as they are professionals as far as I know and this is what they wrote to me black on white.

Regarding GPS antenna: I red that there is an alternative antenna that can be mounted in dash with the same result. I didn'd quite understand, you just switched the new antenna with the old one? One local retrofitting specialist told me that wires need to be connected if I want the original antenna.

Now, all this change of wires, was too much dismountling of car components? Besides the head unit, cluster, I suppose for AMI and camera some plastics and maybe carpet need to be taken away and put back? By the way, there is a cable kit for rear camera at Kufatec tailored by model at 89E.

Regarding Connect: I think this is an issue that Audi wants it controlled. I wonder why when you buy a unit as part, from a car that is not in service anylonger for sure, you are not able just to take over the previous "ownership" in the Audi database. Maybe becouse they just don't want cars to be retrofitted. Even for an Audi A6 in 2017 it is incredible that there is still an option to buy it without at least this MIB2 unit. They still sell RMC. On the Kufatec kit for exaple, it sais only Google Earth and a limited numbers of functions form Connect are working.

If CarPlay will be available Connect functions will not be interesting at all.

Regards,
Alecs

Sounds great.

Mine is working now but still don't have tha map in my cluster. Still figuring out. I ran 2 can cables to the cluster and i can select the map option but it only shows the compass.

The original antennas from a mmi 3g+ with sim are located in the roof shark vin and in the rear bumper.
I also red that it is possible to just connect a 3rd party antenna. One thing i'm sure about. You need an LTE antenna so minimum 2100Mhz otherwise it can blow things up inside the MIB i've heard from a friend who retrofits all things like this.
I have the option Audi Connect but when i log in on myaudi it doesn't show me the options i want cause in the database from audi i don't have a MIB system.

Good luck with the installation. It took me 5 hours to retrofit the full system.

[saaari]

Sounds great.

Mine is working now but still don't have tha map in my cluster. Still figuring out. I ran 2 can cables to the cluster and i can select the map option but it only shows the compass.

The original antennas from a mmi 3g+ with sim are located in the roof shark vin and in the rear bumper.
I also red that it is possible to just connect a 3rd party antenna. One thing i'm sure about. You need an LTE antenna so minimum 2100Mhz otherwise it can blow things up inside the MIB i've heard from a friend who retrofits all things like this.
I have the option Audi Connect but when i log in on myaudi it doesn't show me the options i want cause in the database from audi i don't have a MIB system.

Good luck with the installation. It took me 5 hours to retrofit the full system.

Hi all,

As far as antenna concerned, old factory installed one was only shark antenna without any cabeling connected, I bought original A6 C7 one from eBay and changed only original cover from old one. My technician installed proper cables to antenna from MMI and everything works as factory installed. Now you can see the 4G (LTE) roaming is in max level almost all time pending on of course on network.
For the available new Kufatec set, they have coded the main unit with correct coding, this valuable info I'm missing now, correct VAS codes.......[wrench]

[Los Cuentos]

Hi all,

As far as antenna concerned, old factory installed one was only shark antenna without any cabeling connected, I bought original A6 C7 one from eBay and changed only original cover from old one. My technician installed proper cables to antenna from MMI and everything works as factory installed. Now you can see the 4G (LTE) roaming is in max level almost all time pending on of course on network.
For the available new Kufatec set, they have coded the main unit with correct coding, this valuable info I'm missing now, correct VAS codes.......[wrench]

Do you have a partnumber of the cable? I can't find one on the part system from Audi. And does the map in cluster work?

[Alecs]

Hi,

Did your technician take away all the inner skin of the roof to connect the cables to the antenna?
Can you see any sign of all the dismounting of the parts, eitheri in the desh or other parts? This is the only thing I am afraid of, that some parts might get loosen...

Nevertheless, I will let you know as soon as the kit arrives. They said they need 3-4 weeks.. I wonder why?

[Los Cuentos]

Hi,

Did your technician take away all the inner skin of the roof to connect the cables to the antenna?
Can you see any sign of all the dismounting of the parts, eitheri in the desh or other parts? This is the only thing I am afraid of, that some parts might get loosen...

Nevertheless, I will let you know as soon as the kit arrives. They said they need 3-4 weeks.. I wonder why?

They need to add all the adaptions so it is plug and play.

[Los Cuentos]

Hi all,

As far as antenna concerned, old factory installed one was only shark antenna without any cabeling connected, I bought original A6 C7 one from eBay and changed only original cover from old one. My technician installed proper cables to antenna from MMI and everything works as factory installed. Now you can see the 4G (LTE) roaming is in max level almost all time pending on of course on network.
For the available new Kufatec set, they have coded the main unit with correct coding, this valuable info I'm missing now, correct VAS codes.......[wrench]

And how have you did connect the antenna cable to the mib cause the antenne connector on the MIB uses a double Fakra connection. Did u just us a Double fakra to singlz fakra loom?

[saaari]

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/iPhone_03022017_200.jpg

Hi all,

This antenna modification was done by my friend (car electrician), I need to ask. As far as I can remember it was quit straight forward case w/o problems.

[Los Cuentos]

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/iPhone_03022017_200.jpg

Hi all,

This antenna modification was done by my friend (car electrician), I need to ask. As far as I can remember it was quit straight forward case w/o problems.

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[saaari]

Hi all,

My friend modified the double Fakra connection, that what he answered to me.

I still have this question open with valuable info I'm missing, correct VAS codes... have you guys proceeded with your own projects ? Do you have map cluster visible ?

Any additional info available ?

[Los Cuentos]

Hi Saari,

I haven't figure it out yet. Pretty busy the last weeks. Hope to find some time soon so i can focus on it.

Greetings

[Los Cuentos]

Hi Sari and Alecs,

Today I installed a third party antenna and it is working. Even with LTE. The antenna is mounted with 3M double sided tape to the dash after the front windscreen.
Now i do have connection with the internet I can't update, access Audi Connect. Keeps getting a connection error. The Maps from Google are working. Can you Saari access the Audi Connect menu and update?

Greetings

Maxime

[saaari]

Hi Maxime,

I can now indeed access Connect, it's working as example searching through connect with petrol pricing, news bullets etc. and is really working fine (don't ask me why this is possible!). The connect started to work while we tried to activate (recode) the instrument cluster map last weekend with the car electrician. Also last weekend the reverse car camera unit was installed and activated with separate VAS code in 6C : 027502010201000300 (hexadecimal code). Also the main unit can be used as wifi access point through MMI and it works very well through LTE.
One thing what was tested last week was also wifi connection to MMI using Apple 6S phone as music source, that test was also successful but the sound level was very low. It seems that the main unit needs to be coded with higher sound level separately through VDCS.

Did you had success with instrument cluster map visibility ?, basically that is the last pending issue facing currently in addition with main unit fine tuning (sound levels, Google map updates and few other issues).

Greeting,

[Los Cuentos]

Hi Maxime,

I can now indeed access Connect, it's working as example searching through connect with petrol pricing, news bullets etc. and is really working fine (don't ask me why this is possible!). The connect started to work while we tried to activate (recode) the instrument cluster map last weekend with the car electrician. Also last weekend the reverse car camera unit was installed and activated with separate VAS code in 6C : 027502010201000300 (hexadecimal code). Also the main unit can be used as wifi access point through MMI and it works very well through LTE.
One thing what was tested last week was also wifi connection to MMI using Apple 6S phone as music source, that test was also successful but the sound level was very low. It seems that the main unit needs to be coded with higher sound level separately through VDCS.

Did you had success with instrument cluster map visibility ?, basically that is the last pending issue facing currently in addition with main unit fine tuning (sound levels, Google map updates and few other issues).

Greeting,

What have u changed from coding to get it work?
No haven't succeeded to get the maps in my cluster yet. Still working on it.

[Alecs]

Good evening,

I finally received the package from Kufatec today. All components look very good, almost like new (some micro scratches almost not visible).
Even they told me that in the package was the new USB AMI socket, it seems that it was a misunderstanding. Probably they reffered that the MIB has a new AMI socket. By the way, this is a MIB II unit and I still hope CarPlay is going to work with a later ad on if I have this new AMI cable and socket.

I planed the installation for next week. It should be somehow plug and play plus component protection. I hope to get the answers for you from my electrical specialist on how you can get the map in the speedometer (of course, if mine will do this and we can find how)

Regarding the Antenna, Kufatec said it was supposed to be mounted in the rear bumper, but it can be mounted in the dash as well.

Now, let me ask you one advice:
1. Should I try to find the ne AMI cable and the USB socket and wait to install them alltogether? do you think that there is a different hardware (cable) for the socket to work with carplay?
2. I am planning to retrofit the reverse camera as well, but I didn't order it yet. Can I just connect the harness and mount it later on?
My concern regarding taking out so many plastic components and then not fitting exactly when they put them back.

I will come back with nws soon

Alecs

[winreboot]

Good evening,

I finally received the package from Kufatec today. All components look very good, almost like new (some micro scratches almost not visible).
Even they told me that in the package was the new USB AMI socket, it seems that it was a misunderstanding. Probably they reffered that the MIB has a new AMI socket. By the way, this is a MIB II unit and I still hope CarPlay is going to work with a later ad on if I have this new AMI cable and socket.

I planed the installation for next week. It should be somehow plug and play plus component protection. I hope to get the answers for you from my electrical specialist on how you can get the map in the speedometer (of course, if mine will do this and we can find how)

Regarding the Antenna, Kufatec said it was supposed to be mounted in the rear bumper, but it can be mounted in the dash as well.

Now, let me ask you one advice:
1. Should I try to find the ne AMI cable and the USB socket and wait to install them alltogether? do you think that there is a different hardware (cable) for the socket to work with carplay?
2. I am planning to retrofit the reverse camera as well, but I didn't order it yet. Can I just connect the harness and mount it later on?
My concern regarding taking out so many plastic components and then not fitting exactly when they put them back.

I will come back with nws soon

Alecs

Can you please post the part numbers of the items that you got from Kufatec?

Thanks!
David

[saaari]

Hi Alecs,

I bought from eBay used original Audi A6 A7 4G Facelift AMI Audi Music Interface MIB 2 USB, part nr. 4G0035736. Unfortenately I do not have a cable available because I need to have facelift version which (as been told) is different than prefacelift harness. Also there seems to be issue with placing the USB interface to car console, the placing is different than factory installed (MMI low) version. This neeeds to investigated. If you will have info about the subject in the future, please let us know the details.
I understood that the Carplay is just a SW to be uploaded to main unit and needs to be activated by VCDS.

Regarding the reverse camera I bought a system A6 C7 facelift model from this company:

http://www.carsystems.pl/audi-a6-4g0-from-model-year-2015-rear-highline-camera-kit-4s0-907-441b,id1819.html

They have also prefacelift version available. The set is complete equipped with original (new) OEM parts (excl. cable set), handle with Camera 5N0827566AA, controller 4S0907441B and wiring from camera to module and from module to main unit.

[Alecs]

Hi Saaari,

I am in a dialogue with Kufatec as it seems that they were supposed to deliver the cable and the new socket in the package, with no additional cost, if the car had factory installed old AMI. My car has the old AMI installed indeed, but according to the VIN number there is a code UI9: no electrical preparation. But when you search deeper according to VIN, there it clearly shows 4G0971656 (connection for external audio sources - AMI). And I also have the configuration from when I ordered the car. It is a stupid dispute, they pretend that having that code UI9 in the Audi database, I need to pay extra for the new cable and socket. And I have a facelift version, but with the old type of AMI. And the cable is like in the prefacelift versions I suppose. I will write an email to their management, as I hope they will respect the initial statment regarding the kit's content.

Nevertheless, the cable and the socket are available. It is true that there is a slight difference in the car consoloe but as far as I figured out, it is just a matter of cutting some plastic out in order to fit the new one. Maybe the esthetic result will not be ideal, but it is covered by the armrest.

And I have a facelift version, but with the old type of AMI. And the cable is like in the prefacelift versions I suppose.

If what you say about Carplay is true then this is good news but you will deffinetely need the new cable.

I am not sure if the cable is going straight from the main unit to the armrest or it is going the long way surrounding the passenger chair and entering from the behind. I mean if I should wait a few more days to clarify with Kufatec if they are sending the AMI as promissed included in the kit or they find a trick to charge me more, or I can go for installation and do the AMI afterwards. I am not so happy of taking out so many times the unit and all that plastics. I wass always afraid of not fitting back perfect... Will see.

[Alecs]

Hi David,

I will send the part numbers when I will go for installation.



Can you please post the part numbers of the items that you got from Kufatec?

Thanks!
David

[Alecs]

Hello,

Today I spent my day in the installation service. Everything is now working as factory fitted, but we spent about 6 hours. I was lucky I had a real good specialist, as the kit I received from Kufatec needed a little "support" to be perfect as described by the seller. Unfortunately, I didn't fit the new AMI socket, as Kufatec even initialy said it was included in the kit, they change their mind and they didn't send it, so I ordered the parts separately. I still need the power cord for the USB socket and it should be fine afterwards. I will need to find the inner side of the armrest to factory fit the socket or make a slight adaptation of the old AMI socket.

The map in the speedometer just showed immediately after running the coding software.

I didn't have time to play with the new toy, as I was already late and needed to go to play with my kids :)

So, parts changed were: MIB 2 instead of RMC; display including slide mechanism; touch console; can gateaway; fiber optic from MIB to speedometer; new AMI FAKRA cable for USB new socket; harness for GPS antenna, GSM/4G LTE antenna, DAB antennas (in the rear bumper).

Regarding CarPlay, I just saw that the retrofitting company from Sweeden did the activation already. It seems that for the moment just for the MIB units originaly mounted. For retrofitters hopefuly soon.

That is all for today. We will keep in touch.

Alecs

[Alecs]

Hi all,

After a few on road tests today, I have noticed some poblems:

1. the GPS antenna mounted under the dash is not working properly. On roads with high buildings, it showed car away with a few hundred meters, I mean it showed I was on the next street :) Is there any recommended under dash powerful GPS antenna? Otherwise it seems complicated to install wires to the roof antenna, even it is logical that this is the best solution. Bun taking all the textile cover to the roof :(((

2. A second issue, it seems that I don't find any DB stations. Even I mounted 2 DAB antennas in the rear bumper.

3. There is a small noice when opening and closing the display. Maybe there is a fine tunig of the slide or something.

4. Compared to my old RMC Radio Plus unit, I cannot set the sound level of radio separate to the external audio (phone bluetooth) source. So when I move from radio to aux in, the sound level is different. The old RMC unit allowed to set one level for radio and another one for aux in. Aux in is always a little lower the radio.

5. I also had a bluetooth issue, it was disconected while talking on the phone.

I hope I will find the right methods to fine tune these issues. If you have any advice, let me know.
Is there anything I can do to help you with the map in spedometer? Can these settings be read somehow?

Alecs

[saaari]

Hi Alecs,

Did the kit contain SW bundle from Kufatec? If no, do you have VCDS to check the current cluster coding?
Can you also confirm the MIB2 main unit type?

[Alecs]

Hi Saaari,

There was no bundle. Everything was precoded I suppose. I can send you a full scan after installation if this help.
And yes, it is a MIB 2 unit.

I ordered the armrest interior to originaly fit the new AMI socket as well. I will post pictures when it will be ready.

The only problems I have are:
1. GPS reception with the in dash antenna. Any ideas?
2. The unit is diconnecting once a day from the bloototh connection. Any ideas?


Hi Alecs,

Did the kit contain SW bundle from Kufatec? If no, do you have VCDS to check the current cluster coding?
Can you also confirm the MIB2 main unit type?

[saaari]

Hi Alecs,

1. Please access to your MMI with VDCS (VAS) or ODIS by your technician and get the MMI overview with the codes, in this case instrument cluster long coding view. You need to have VCDS or ODIS to do that. I think that your GPS connection is not active/connected properly behind the main unit (MMI unit). Please recheck the connectors behind the main unit.
2. If you mean the phone connection through bloetooth, this issue caused us also quit a lot of headache in the beginning with cabeling because based on original bluetooth microphone setup was not the same as factory equipped (MMI low) with cables connected to new MMI, also I understood that it needed some new coding by VDCS to meet MIB2 requirements. Kufatec should inform this issue and fix it.
3. Can you inform the type of new MIB2 unit, like I have now 4G1035044D.

[Alecs]

Hi Saaari,

1. I will talk to my specialist and will send you the info asap. Send me your email address such as I can forward you the scan.
1 bis. GPS: so it is possible just not to be well inserted in its socket behind the MMI? Or the position of the antenna behind the dash? I didn't wire the antenna to its original shark position.
1 bis bis: I have the LTE 4 to 5 lines. Is there any special info that you have on LTE antenna?
2. Yes. The phone is connecting right away, stays connected for some time, some calls or some music and suddenly disconnects. Then reconects either automaticaly or I need to manualy connect it again. It happened especially when call waiting or switching calls. I did some unpair, re-pair, reset mmi, reset iphone. Will see tomorrow. I will try to contact Kufatec as well. Did you have the same problems? Sudden disconection and reconnection?
3, I forgot to write down the codes when I brought the car to the installation service. I was to focused and excited to finaly do this. I will go one of the next days to fix the GPS problem and the new AMI connection and they will take it out again. I will send you the code.

I believe we will put all info together such as all our units will work perfect soon :)

Alecs

[Los Cuentos]

I had te rewire some mic cables at the the quadlock connector and I have no issues with the bluetooth right now. Should have a look wich ones I have changed from location.
Can I also get the code output from you?

Greetings

[saaari]

Hi Alecs,

[saaari]

Hi Alecs,

For the point 2. in my case the microphone was just silent and nobody heard when talking. It was fixed by changing the sequence of mic cables by electrician.

[Los Cuentos]

Send you a pm with my mail address

[Alecs]

Hi,

Tomorrow I will go for some more works in the service. Camera installation, AMI. Fix the GPS hopefuly and the DAB. I will come back with the info for you.

I asked Kufatec and they said they cannot fix anything regarding bluetooth. After I did all the resets and restarts, today was ok, it didn't interrupt at all. Hope ths was the solution.

One other question: I cannot find places and addresses on Google Earth. It seems that there is an old database. Places that I found in Google Maps/ Google Earth on regular basis, I cannot find when searching through the MMI. Otherwise, the Google Earth is showing ok on the screen. Any ideas? Can you find any places on Google Earth?

Also, online addresses search is not working.

Alecs

[saaari]

Hi,

Tomorrow I will go for some more works in the service. Camera installation, AMI. Fix the GPS hopefuly and the DAB. I will come back with the info for you.

I asked Kufatec and they said they cannot fix anything regarding bluetooth. After I did all the resets and restarts, today was ok, it didn't interrupt at all. Hope ths was the solution.

One other question: I cannot find places and addresses on Google Earth. It seems that there is an old database. Places that I found in Google Maps/ Google Earth on regular basis, I cannot find when searching through the MMI. Otherwise, the Google Earth is showing ok on the screen. Any ideas? Can you find any places on Google Earth?

Also, online addresses search is not working.

Alecs

Hi Alecs,

I will check tomorrow to find some additional data, btw thanks for the full data mapping codes. Actually I need to have adaptation codes in addition what you send, what I understood these adaptation codes are activating finally the functional processes accordingly,

[Alecs]

Hi Saaari,

Did you make any calibration for your reverse camera. I installed the same one from Car-Systems.pl. It is working fine. I can see like 1-2 mm of the rear bumper on the screen, the guides look ok. I think this is a good upgrade.

We spent a loooot of time with Kufatec online via teamviewer to check the online destinations via google codings. Codes were ok, but still not working. They said when tested in Germany, it worked. I did not abandon the idea, will see.

Unfortunately, it was no time to search for the codes. Tell me, how complicated is to read the adaption codes? It will be a next time once again. GPS is now in front pillar, but not in an horisontal position, still not perfect. DAB antenna amplifier was a complicated issue. We now have the solution but still needs to be done. Exactly the thing I was afraid more: mounting and dismounting car components, trims, covers more than one time, exactly this is happening :(

We will be in touch.
Alecs

[saaari]

Hi Alecs,

There is two issues what we have struggled with the retrofit project, one is this instrument cluster map and another is reverse camera coding, we have already two times received total opposite MMI mapping instructions from the supplier in Poland related to both byte numbering and coding. The latest instructions are as follows:

There is module coding for 4M0 module , for 4S you should use 027502010201000300

My "professional" helper will have time next week to try activate the camera based on latest instruction received yesterday.
Strange that your version is just plug & play version. This is very amazing world this VAG MIB2 coding. You never know how things are expected to proceed.[wrench]
If you and your support person can try to indentify your MMI coding + adaptation details both reverse camera and cluster more precise with possibility to download some screens to chect/fix the barriers what we here are having.
How about the MMI unit code? it's interesting to know the type because the type is also the key starting point to recode the whole system and seems that the applicable coding varies based on MMI type in addition to your car VIN number.

I will try to take some pictures fom the system today and send the details to your mail box.

Rgds, Ari

[Alecs]

Hi Ari,

The camera was ordered by my support person after he installed the MIB. He told me that he should check some compatibility info first. He did some codings, was not exactly plug and play but it is working fine. I hope we will finish the retrofit for the AMI next week. I ordered the AMI cable, the socket but the power supply is still missing. And he ordered for me the interior cover to fix the socket as factory. I didn't want to take out the MIB untill we have all cables. I will definitely do it nex week as I really want to finish this project and enjoy it :)

One question regarding GPS and maps: while driving, if I watch the arrow (cursor ) of my position on google maps, sometime it moves smooth and sometimes, when I speed or turn 90 degrees it has like a small leap/hop/ fration of a second delay. As I am not sure of the correct GPS antenna positioning, is this something normal or should I try to find a new spot for the antenna? I know your antenna is like factory fitted on the roof, so this is the best comparison.

Have a nice weekend.
Alecs

[saaari]

Hi,

Did you send mail to private already, I coudn't see you pm yet to share pictures?

[saaari]

Hi Alecs and Los Cuentos,

We spent two hours today with electrician,

and voila! The reverse camera and cluster map works !!!! So, finally the system with prefacelift and facelift C7 retrofit cluster map visibility is revealed.

Thanks to cooperation with the company who originally programmed my MMI this evening the needed adaptation codes suitable was programmed with ODIS.
Also had long discussion of the content of Google maps and street view in my MMI and they confirmed that these have been uploaded already. With some reason Street view it's not visible.
Next week we're having new session where finally they will check whether they can also upload the new option for Apple Car play. If this works I (or we) will know the company who is able to install it with dongle or to upload the data remotely also to you guys.

Further on of the company I will confirm to you when the system is completely checked.

Los Cuentos, please confirm your PM to send some info.

Then finally the AMI with USB needs my last attention.

Let's be in touch.

[IGM]

Does anyone know if this can be retrofitted by a dealer ?


and would it work if just the head unit and flip screen were replaced ?

Thanks

[Los Cuentos]

Hi Alecs and Los Cuentos,

We spent two hours today with electrician,

and voila! The reverse camera and cluster map works !!!! So, finally the system with prefacelift and facelift C7 retrofit cluster map visibility is revealed.

Thanks to cooperation with the company who originally programmed my MMI this evening the needed adaptation codes suitable was programmed with ODIS.
Also had long discussion of the content of Google maps and street view in my MMI and they confirmed that these have been uploaded already. With some reason Street view it's not visible.
Next week we're having new session where finally they will check whether they can also upload the new option for Apple Car play. If this works I (or we) will know the company who is able to install it with dongle or to upload the data remotely also to you guys.

Further on of the company I will confirm to you when the system is completely checked.

Los Cuentos, please confirm your PM to send some info.

Then finally the AMI with USB needs my last attention.

Let's be in touch.

Hi Saari,

That's great news. I also will order the reverse camera from that website. Pretty cheap i think. Hope that the Carplay option will work too!
Can you send me a PM with the adaption for the cluster and maybe also for the reverse camera?

Would be great!

Greetings

[saaari]

Does anyone know if this can be retrofitted by a dealer ?


and would it work if just the head unit and flip screen were replaced ?

Thanks

Hi IGM,

Please refer the previous discussions with this thread, they're described quit well above. You have a company in UK, VAGTec Ltd who is able to work and install and program VAG- group retrofit issues professionally. Ask Audi/Tom.

[IGM]

They the people based in milton keynes ?

[saaari]

They the people based in milton keynes ?

Yes, they seems to have office there.Please check:

www.vagtec.co.uk

[Los Cuentos]

Hi saari.

Have u received my PM?

Greetings

[saaari]

No I have not, can you resend it to

[Los Cuentos]

No I have not, can you resend it to

ajasaari@gmail.com

Send you an email [emoji1303][emoji3]

[Westyfield2]

Definitely interested in this thread. I've got a pre-facelift with MMI 3GP and it would be great if I could retrofit MIB (with Apple CarPlay in particular!)

[saaari]

Definitely interested in this thread. I've got a pre-facelift with MMI 3GP and it would be great if I could retrofit MIB (with Apple CarPlay in particular!)

Welcome along Westyfields2,

I expect that Alecs, me or Los Cuentos can help due to passed this process ourselves already.

How can we help you in spite non of us has got smartphone interface yet installed?

[Alecs]

Hi Westyfield2,

The only company that has the secret to CarPlay activation on MIB2 units for A6 4G at this moment is Oem-Eftermontering from Sweeden. If CarPlay is the main goal, I think you have the following options:

1. Talk to the Sweedish company and ask for a plug and play MIB 2 package (might be expensive, simmilar to Kufatec nevertheless, but with CarPlay)
2. Make a full retrofit for MIB2 (as described in this thread) either DYI or buy the components and have a specialist install and code everyhing and then talk to the Seedish company just for CarPlay
3. Same as 2, but meahwhile maybe CarPlay secret will be revealed and it would be easyer to find someone closer to you to activate it.

You need to define what is your goal: CarPlay or MIB2 in general

For me (and the others in the group) it was a different stroy. We had MMI Radio Low only, no navi, so for us it was a true upgrade anyway.

Alecs

[Westyfield2]

Thanks. I will have a look at the Swedish company.

I wonder how only they can do Apple CarPlay and no-one else yet!

[Alecs]

FYI. On Audi website.

Art.-No. 4M0051472

Simply activate the smartphone interface retrospectively for your Audi.

Activation document for when retrofitting the Audi smartphone interface. The Audi smartphone interface connects your smartphone to your vehicle. It brings the contents of your smartphone such as navigation, telephone system, music and selected third-party Apps directly and perfectly to the MMI display via USB. The contents can be used easily per MMI or voice control.

Notes for retrofitting to Audi A6 (from 2015) and Audi A7 (from 2015):
- The retrofitting of the Audi smartphone interface is only available for models as of 2017

Notes for retrofitting to Audi Q7 (from 2016) and Audi Q7 e-tron (from 2016):
- The retrofitting of the Audi smartphone interface is only available for models with a production date from 17/08/2015
- Only in combination with MMI navigation plus

https://shops.audi.com/en_GB/web/accessories_ch/p/retrofit-solution-for-the-audi-smartphone-interface-4m0051472-9?category=8230:I_CHE_A_223_904_ASOS:Category

[saaari]

Hi Alecs,

The answer from local Audi is that Audi Germany server cannot upload the Apple Car play data if the VIN is not applicable to factory installed MMI plus.

Rgds, Ari

[DanCam]

Hi all,

I bought an Audi A6 C7 2016 premium package with RMC (NAR_P14321). This year I decided to upgrade the system to MIB2. I have been getting the parts on Ebay and this weekend I decided to try the head unit (4G1035025). Unfortunately, I plug the new unit and the screen didn't come out and the control where the nav, radio, media buttons are do not respond.

I have been investigating for quite some time and the threads that I have found do not have the details that if after plug the unit a change in the codes need to be done. I also tried with VCDS and I went to the 'Electronics 1' tab and clicked 'Navigation' but I got an error that the control didn't answer or responded or something like that.

Also, I am attaching a picture of the two head units (Original RMC and the new one). I modified the fakra pink cable from the car to make fit in the gray plug.

https://www.audiworld.com/forums/attachments/a6-c7-platform-discussion-194/88219d1502488906-retrofit-rmc-mib2-rmctomib2.jpg

I also check the CAN gateway module and the installation list and I didn't find the right option that I should choose.

Finally, I checked in the Kufatec website and I am not sure if I missing a harness like the one of the link below:

Kufatec cable set (https://www.kufatec.us/shop/en/audi/a6/a6-4g/cable-set-retrofit-navigation-audi-a6-a7-4g?tab=frage)

Any help will be greatly appreciate it.

Regards,
Dan

[Alecs]

Hi Dan,

I am sorry I didn't see your message earlier. I hope you figured it out already.
If not, please let me know.
If you upgrade from RMC to MIB2, it is not plug and play, unless you buy the whole package from Kufatec or other simmilar.
You need new display, can gateway module, touchpad and harness for fiber optic, as well as an adaptation of the cables for the new plug of MIB2 (the Kufatec cable set has a kind of adaptation plug, but it is too big to fit it beneath the main unit, so it is better to connect the wires directly as factory fitted).

I bought the Kufatec full set, so everything was plug and play. Even though, I had a very good specialist to put all the details together. Everything is working now perfect, I am just waitng for a moment to upgrade to CarPlay as well.

Best regards,
Alecs

[smi73balk]

I want to do the same retrofit as well, but wich gateway do I need, and where do i connect the MOST connection of the instrument cluster to?

[smi73balk]

anyone can help?

[smi73balk]

Hi all,

I bought an Audi A6 C7 2016 premium package with RMC (NAR_P14321). This year I decided to upgrade the system to MIB2. I have been getting the parts on Ebay and this weekend I decided to try the head unit (4G1035025). Unfortunately, I plug the new unit and the screen didn't come out and the control where the nav, radio, media buttons are do not respond.

I have been investigating for quite some time and the threads that I have found do not have the details that if after plug the unit a change in the codes need to be done. I also tried with VCDS and I went to the 'Electronics 1' tab and clicked 'Navigation' but I got an error that the control didn't answer or responded or something like that.

Also, I am attaching a picture of the two head units (Original RMC and the new one). I modified the fakra pink cable from the car to make fit in the gray plug.

https://www.audiworld.com/forums/attachments/a6-c7-platform-discussion-194/88219d1502488906-retrofit-rmc-mib2-rmctomib2.jpg

I also check the CAN gateway module and the installation list and I didn't find the right option that I should choose.

Finally, I checked in the Kufatec website and I am not sure if I missing a harness like the one of the link below:

Kufatec cable set (https://www.kufatec.us/shop/en/audi/a6/a6-4g/cable-set-retrofit-navigation-audi-a6-a7-4g?tab=frage)

Any help will be greatly appreciate it.

Regards,
Dan

I bought a MIB2 to retrofit in my A6 , but it has no little brown conector as seen in the picture top left next to the GSM connectors.
What's the brown connector for?

[smi73balk]

Today i got the adaptor kabel to mount the MIB instead of my old RMC nav. Where do i solder the CAN cable to on the instrument cluster, on wich pins?

[smi73balk]

yesterday i tried to install the modules like MIB, display, touchpanel and gateway. screen popped out with ignition on but no image on display and no sound. My old situation is a RMC nav installed in an audi A6 from 2012 with subwoofer in de back and centerspeaker in front. I had ordered a cable from kufatec with an adaptor, but i changed all cables on my connector because there isn't enough space in the dash.
Is the problem of no sound and image a matter of component protection or something else?

[smi73balk]

Went to the dealer yesterday and removed component protection of the gateway, now everything is working except talking on the phone; can accept a call but nothing is coming out of the speakers and they can not hear me. Is this a cable problem or a coding problem? Also need the coding for my car with subwoofer and centerspeaker; has anyone the codings for this?

[Alecs]

Hi, I saw your comments just know. Fortunately, this did not happened to me. I was some kind of plug and play. Aslo, a few month ago I activated Audi Smartphone Interface (CarPlay/ AndroidAuto), so if you are interested, let me know. I hope you find the solution with the microphone and speakers...

[smi73balk]

right now I have everything working so far including carplay is installed. Do I need the new AMI for carplay to work or can the old AMI be moddified?
And still have no Audi Connect, is there a sollution to get it work on retrofitted MIB's?

[byront8]

looking at an A6 with nav already installed (2012 model).

To convert to 4g mib2 - do I just replace headunit (4g1035021), screen (4g5919607) and controller (4g1919610)?

Cluster already has screen for maps.

[Alister]

looking at an A6 with nav already installed (2012 model).

To convert to 4g mib2 - do I just replace headunit (4g1035021), screen (4g5919607) and controller (4g1919610)?

Cluster already has screen for maps.
So the cluster has already been replaced with the updated unit?

Does the car have Bose or B&O sound system? If so, I'm fairly sure the amp needs to be replaced too.

[byront8]

So the cluster has already been replaced with the updated unit?

Does the car have Bose or B&O sound system? If so, I'm fairly sure the amp needs to be replaced too.

Cluster is the existing version in the car, will it show maps or do I need to replace this also?

Car is Bose sound system.


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[byront8]

Part number is 4g8 920 983 (full screen fis)


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[lauretiu]

looking at an A6 with nav already installed (2012 model).

To convert to 4g mib2 - do I just replace head unit (4g1035021), screen (4g5919607) and controller (4g1919610)?

Cluster already has screen for maps.

I'm in the same situation with you and looking forward to an answer. I have 2012 a6 with bose and trying to figure out if it's worth/possible upgrading I have the 3g+ with 6disc changer and HDD. my hed tells me to go for it my wallet begs me not to........ I'm trying to get a touchscreen/android interface like this https://bit.ly/2EDQlfs without paying that price if possible

[FourRingPusher]

Has anyone is the USA actually been able, through the smartphone license, to update a late 2016 Audi A6 with the USB (phone icon on position #1) to activate the smartphone (Android Auto / Apple Car Play) interface?

I have a 2016 A6 2.0T with the USB ports, one which has a phone icon, and the following software: MHI2_US_AU57x_P0536. I'm trying to understand why this upgrade only seems to work in UK/Europe. Do the 2016 UK A6 sedans actually have the hardware of a 2017?

I am working with an Audi Certified Tech in the USA and it doesn't seem to be a possibility for US sedans. What is different from UK and US sedans?

Thanks,
Bryan

[Andreasmkr]

I’ve got a S7 with the HN+R unit. Lacking sim/Google maps, but have touch and Ami support.

Anyone know If i can swap to the unit to the one with the SIM slot and wire up some cables for the gsm antenna, code and everything should work?

[maxeffect]

I'm still thinking about this upgrade. Issue for me is removing component protection, I'd like to update the cluster also for the maps. Me thinks big $$$.

[byront8]

Removing CP is easy with access to a VCP cable.

Main cost comes from the cluster


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[Jeromemills]

HOW is it easy to remove CP? you can do this without a dealer?

[Jeromemills]

I have a audi a7 2013 MMI3G (4G0 035 746F) In the United States and I want to put in a MIB 2 ( 4G1 035 025B) , What Are The New Cables I Need?

[byront8]

HOW is it easy to remove CP? you can do this without a dealer?

VCP cable and copy the cp from your original 5f unit and squirt it into the new one.


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[Jeromemills]

Hi there and greetings from Finland. I made this MMI High MIB2 (from MMI low) retrofit four weeks ago to A6 Avant 2016 with changing following components:
Main Unit 4G1 035 044 D
Display 4G1 919 601 J
Display 4G5 919 607 D (8")
Controller: 4G1 919 610 F

Currently I'm having problems to activate instrument cluster map, everything else works now properly. According to my car electrician he couldn't find the correct MIB2 adaptation codes for the cluster.

Have anybody investigated this part of retrofit issue yet?

I need Help! I Have A Audi A7 2013 USA Model I Purchased Another Main Unit 4G1 035 025B , My Current Display Is 4G1 919 601 N & My Current Controller Is 4G1 919 610F ... So What Else Do I Need To Make This Work? I Harness For The Back Of The Radio Is Different. So Correct Me If Im Wrong... They Only Part Need To Change Is The Main Unit Seeing That Everything Else Would Work Right? Or Do I Need To Purchase Another Display The 4G5 919 607 D (8")? Cause My Display 4G1 919 601 N Is 8" Right? Also where can I get the cable adapter to connect this unit?

[Jeromemills]

Where Can I Get The VCP Cable ? Also Will This Be Able To Copy The CP To My Front Seats Too? I Changed Them And They Have CP On Them

[winreboot]

Where Can I Get The VCP Cable ? Also Will This Be Able To Copy The CP To My Front Seats Too? I Changed Them And They Have CP On Them
You can get the VCP cable from the source http://vcp.pl/

I'm following this thread and want to do this soo bad, but I'm missing some clarity what exactly is required. If you find out please share, thx!

[300zx2g35]

I'm following this thread and want to do this soo bad, but I'm missing some clarity what exactly is required. If you find out please share, thx!

+1

[winreboot]

I need Help! I Have A Audi A7 2013 USA Model I Purchased Another Main Unit 4G1 035 025B , My Current Display Is 4G1 919 601 N & My Current Controller Is 4G1 919 610F ... So What Else Do I Need To Make This Work? I Harness For The Back Of The Radio Is Different. So Correct Me If Im Wrong... They Only Part Need To Change Is The Main Unit Seeing That Everything Else Would Work Right? Or Do I Need To Purchase Another Display The 4G5 919 607 D (8")? Cause My Display 4G1 919 601 N Is 8" Right? Also where can I get the cable adapter to connect this unit?

Hi Jeromemills, did you get the swap to work? Please share your progress. Thanks!

[Sima-Koya]

For anybody who want to retrofit this is next:

1)Main unit MIB2 High Harman - 4G10350xx
2)Gateway of facelift car
3)Keyboard for MIB2 - center console controls
4)MIB2 display unit
5)Bose amplifier if fitted must be changed to 4G5035223 - MIB2 Bose

Some instrument clusters can be flashed and made to work with MIB2.

Also wiring will have to be reworked.
MMI3G is a communicating via MOST to the car,while MIB2 uses CAN bus.

If anyone wants to embark on this journey I can help with unlock and coding of all Audi components.

[Andreasmkr]

Anyone know what kind of re-wiring needed to complete this on a 13" S7 and does my old NV work with MIB2 coming form 3g+?

[geokris]

Hello. I just gathered all the parts for Mib2 upgrade. Also some advice on.retrof8tting the whole system.is.greatly apreciated. I.have a cluster 4g9 920 950 M, wich is High version of cluster , with fiber optic , acc, night.vision. My car is 2014 Allroad, and the pn cluster was mounted on allroad on 2017 cars. Does this mean Map view will work ? Strangely the Allroad platform seems.to be better prepared for the upgrade, as all other computers in my car, dated july 2014, do seem.to.have.fl versions installed. Wainting for your answer and have a nice evening.


For anybody who want to retrofit this is next:

1)Main unit MIB2 High Harman - 4G10350xx
2)Gateway of facelift car
3)Keyboard for MIB2 - center console controls
4)MIB2 display unit
5)Bose amplifier if fitted must be changed to 4G5035223 - MIB2 Bose

Some instrument clusters can be flashed and made to work with MIB2.

Also wiring will have to be reworked.
MMI3G is a communicating via MOST to the car,while MIB2 uses CAN bus.

If anyone wants to embark on this journey I can help with unlock and coding of all Audi components.

[geokris]

Hello dear colegues. Can someone, please provide some info's on the cluster issues ? Thank you. Echooo.

[geokris]

We are almost there to finish gathering all the parts needed for the upgrade, and trust me there quite a few pieces. The most difficult part is finding oem cables. As for the other components, they aren't hard to find. I will put a comprehensive list with everything, like cables, conectors. Thank you again for the 0 replies of those members who have managed to do the retrofit or at least this is what they are sugesting. Have a good day.

[winreboot]

Thank you for shearing, there is always more to retrofit then it looks initially. Yea, if you can put a part list and cables list that would be awesome. I’m following this thread and want to do this for the longest time. I’m just not clear on the parts and steps needed.

True that, the guys that done this could chime in.


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[geokris]

[drool]Hello. I guess it's true not much quality info on this thread. Mostly I think because behind the lines, the members that posted the MiB2 retrofit , I think were just advertising for their services. Yes, unfortunately on this forums, threads can turn to adverts ,that's why very litle.to none info . Anyway I did completed de retrofit. Everything is working just fine. Was a lot of work.Overall speed is great, but the bigest improvent is the sound.Not an easy upgrade from BOSE&MMI3g+ ---->MIB2&BOSE. A lot of rewireing , soldering and coding. Just to be clear. You do need a facelift cluster to make the maps view available. There is no such thing as coding for this option. In so many pages written here, not even one member didn't botheres to tell us this thing.
As promised, you will have a complete list with the PN's needed for the retrofit. I am not a profesional installer , nor I do not have other interest in just sharing usefull information[o_o][drool]
Here it is, a link with all the system online:

https://youtu.be/JuRnOorJ45c [>_<]

[flyfishing]

wow that is impressive!

[winreboot]

Sweet, this looks soo good, great job!! I re-read the thread few times, when you change the can gateway, can you still start the car? By any chance did you take notes or have steps what goes in what order?

Thanks

[adusadi]

Hi everyone.
I would like to retrofit mib2 in place of my rmc..I have a6c7 2014 avant UK model.....anyone who successes with retrofit could be so kind and share what need to be added apart of unit, screen, touchpad and cluster?? Interested what cables, modules need to add to connect new unit to new cluster..
Thanks in advance

[winreboot]

Hi everyone.
I would like to retrofit mib2 in place of my rmc..I have a6c7 2014 avant UK model.....anyone who successes with retrofit could be so kind and share what need to be added apart of unit, screen, touchpad and cluster?? Interested what cables, modules need to add to connect new unit to new cluster..
Thanks in advance

I wanted this for few years already, but I give up on my project. There are a lot of advertisement for a new aftermarket module that show CarPlay in oem display and that’s what I mostly want, the CarPlay. Ordered a kit for my A6, will see how that goes, supposed to be plug and play.

The oem route is my preferred way, but just like many of you seen, it’s hard to pull all the steps in order.


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[adusadi]

I wanted this for few years already, but I give up on my project. There are a lot of advertisement for a new aftermarket module that show CarPlay in oem display and that’s what I mostly want, the CarPlay. Ordered a kit for my A6, will see how that goes, supposed to be plug and play.

The oem route is my preferred way, but just like many of you seen, it’s hard to pull all the steps in order.


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Yeah seems topic is dead and noone willing to share their knowledge.... I will keep digging...if I find anything Ill post here

[Sima-Koya]

I am back,so any questions needed,please ask.

[adusadi]

I am back,so any questions needed,please ask.
Hi mate ^_^
Any chance you can direct us to what cables, wiring need to be added to connect all mib2 including cluster in our pre facelift a6c7??
I understand we need to remove CP from units but the problem is how to correct connect them...
Thanks in advance

[Sima-Koya]

Hi mate ^_^
Any chance you can direct us to what cables, wiring need to be added to connect all mib2 including cluster in our pre facelift a6c7??
I understand we need to remove CP from units but the problem is how to correct connect them...
Thanks in advanceI need some time to make what is needed.
I will post here.

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[adusadi]

I need some time to make what is needed.
I will post here.

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Thanks

[adusadi]

I need some time to make what is needed.
I will post here.

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Hi. Knock knock.....anybody home???

[applepines101]

Hi. Knock knock.....anybody home???

Would love some updates on this topic!

[dieselfan]

I am also interested in some wiring diagrams. I am struggling with making MIB2 work in my car.
On test bench, it runs well but in car no way...

[oripaamoni]

doubt there has been any progress but with retrofit would be sweet if anybody has it figured out...