DIY: Color DIS Retrofit and Concert to MMI3G Retrofit

[IHave2Turbos]

This is going to be a living thread to chronicle my COLOR DIS & MMI3G retrofit projects.

I have borrowed heavily from Infiltrator and other posts on here. I have added some additional clarification when possible.

If you have any additions or suggestions let me know and I will update.

***STILL NEED***
(OPTIONAL) Microphones For Retrofitting MMI 3G: $100
http://www.kufatec.de/shop/en/Microp...ofitting-MMI3G

The "He Paid" portion is Infiltrator, my goal was to show the mostly downward trend on the parts pricing (radio is the outlier)

*** PURCHASED ***
Misc:


Re-Pinning Tools:N/AamazonI Paid: $12He Paid: ?


Trim Removal Tools:N/AamazonI Paid: $25He Paid: ?


Radio Removal Tools:N/AeBayI Paid: $5He Paid: $5



MMI Unit, Controls & Trim:


7" LCD Trim:8K1857186H/FeBayI Paid: $48He Paid: $55


7" LCD Screen:8R0919604AeBayI Paid: $150He Paid: $177


MMI System (2010):8T1035664BeBayI Paid: $112He Paid: $134


MMI Bracket:8K0858969eBayI Paid: $154He Paid: $128


MMI Controls:8T0919609FeBayI Paid: $120He Paid: $177


MMI ESP Switch:8K1959673eBayI Paid: FREEHe Paid: $27 (came w/ MMI)



CAN Module:


MOST CAN Gateway:8T0907468ADeBayI Paid: $80He Paid: $80



GPS Antenna:


FAKRA GPS Antenna:N/AeBayI Paid: $8He Paid: $8




GSM Cable: (Just in case I upgrade to MMI3G+ in the future, the Cell Phone cable will be run already)


FAKRA D GSM Cable to Trunk (http://www.rfsupplier.com/pigtail-cable-fakra-jack-right-angle-jack-straight-5meter-p-1467.html):N/AeBayI Paid: $13He Paid: $?



Kufatec Radio to MMI3G High Harness:


Kufatec Harness (https://www.kufatec.de/shop/en/audi/a5/a5-8t/upgrade-radio-system-mmi-high-3g-harness-audi):N/AKufatecI Paid: $305He Paid: $350



Radio/Amp (WA1DGAFE7FDXXXXXX):


Radio Trunk Bracket:8T0907368AeBayI Paid: $24He Paid: $66


Radio/Receiver Tuner:4G0035082GeBayI Paid: $240He Paid: $167


Radio Protection Removal:N/AdealerI Paid: $144He Paid: $?



AMI Cable


MMI3G AMI Cable (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/For-3G-retrofit-kit-Ami-Audi-A4-A4-A6-A7-music-interface-adapter-RN-S850-4F0/32672328759.html?spm=2114.40010308.4.169.ud0o3e):N/AAli ExpressI Paid: $63He Paid: ?



SAT Cable Extension to Trunk:


15ft Fakra M-to-F SatRadio Ext (http://www.ebay.com/itm/15-ft-Fakra-female-to-Fakra-male-RG174-Z-RF-Pigtal-cable-5m-for-Neutral-coding-/161632200186?hash=item25a207a5fa:g:SZYAAOSwzrxUr0l l):N/AeBayI Paid: $16He Paid: $16



MMI3G Retrofit Totals - - I Paid: $ 1280 so far

Color DIS Retrofit (WAUFFAFL6ANXXXXXX):


Color DIS Cluster:8K0920980MeBayI Paid: $ 83 w/ 85kHe Paid: $?


Color DIS Stalks:8K0953502BDAZineI Paid: $ 90He Paid: $?


Protection Removal:N/AdealerI Paid: $144He Paid: $?



Color DIS Retrofit Totals: - - I Paid: $ 317 [COMPLETE]

Total Total - - I Paid: $1597 so far

***INSTALL AND CODING INFORMATION***
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/646845-The-Infiltrators-Build-Thread?p=10711667&viewfull=1#post10711667

http://www.audiworld.com/forums/a4-b8-platform-discussion-128/new-audi-owner-navi-retrofit-project-2830698/

http://workshop-manuals.com/audi/a4_mk3/vehicle_electrics/communication/infotainment/navigation_system/connectors_for_navigation_system_%28mmi_from_week_ 44/08_onwards%29/

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/648146-Symphony-to-MMI-3G-successful-conversion!

CAN Gateway Explanation:
http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=754029&ukey_product=5656045

AA/AD/Q Provides: (Probably the best choices)
(7Y1) Side assist/lane departure warning: Lane change assistant.
(7Y2) Side assist/lane departure warning: Lane Departure Warning.
(7Y3) Side assist/lane departure warning: Lane change assistant plus lane departure warning.
(8AJ) Radios: Radio.
(8DP) Radios: Radio "LOW II".
(8DY) Radios: Radio "HIGH" America.
(8DZ) Radios: Radio "HIGH" Japan.
(8N1) Windshield wiper intermittent control: Windshield wiper intermittent control.
(8N6) Windshield wiper intermittent control: Windshield wiper intermittent control with light/rain sensor.
(8N7) Windshield wiper intermittent control: Windshield wiper intermittent control with light/rain sensor.
(8T0) Cruise control: Without cruise control system (CCS).
(8T1) Cruise control: Cruise control system (CCS).
(8T4) Cruise control: Adaptive Cruise Control.
(8UV) Radios: High-level radio for China.
(8YF) Radios: Radio.
(8YQ) Radios: Radio "HIGH".

P/T Provides: (Similar to AA/AD but w/ 7Y0 w/o 7Y1, 7Y2,7Y3,8N7) (Will work if you can't find anything else)
(7Y0) Side assist/lane departure warning: Without lane change assistant.
(8AJ) Radios: Radio.
(8DP) Radios: Radio "LOW II".
(8DY) Radios: Radio "HIGH" America.
(8DZ) Radios: Radio "HIGH" Japan.
(8N1) Windshield wiper intermittent control: Windshield wiper intermittent control.
(8N6) Windshield wiper intermittent control: Windshield wiper intermittent control with light/rain sensor.
(8T0) Cruise control: Without cruise control system (CCS).
(8T1) Cruise control: Cruise control system (CCS).
(8UV) Radios: High-level radio for China.
(8YF) Radios: Radio.
(8YQ) Radios: Radio "HIGH".

!!!DO NOT WANT FOR MMI3G RETROFIT!!!
AB/M/N/S/R: Non MMI

Internal Amp Coding (VCDS):
Change the 8th digit in the long coding with VCDS under Radio.
02 00 07 02 00 00 00 00 01

Restoring HVAC Controls (VCDS):
Address 08: Byte 01, Bit 4 Checked (air-conditioning setting in MMI)

Enable Audi Drive Select Individual in MMI3G:
VCDS Coding:
(Module 09, Byte 07, Bit 05 checked)
(Module 09, Byte 08, Bit 00/01/02/04 checked)
(Module 09, Byte 17, Bit 07 checked)

MMI Hidden Menu:
car/carmenuoperation/charisma ==> 5
car/cardevicelist/charisma ==> checked

VCDS Adapation
(Module 09, Channel 63/64/65/66 ==> 4 (4 is Individual Mode)

AMI Retrofit:
For AMI green connector goes in QUADLOCK position C
http://www.bilkomponenter.no/users/k...G_englisch.pdf
http://workshop-manuals.com/audi/a4_...08_onwards%29/

Color Stalks Retrofit:
My car was base so I didn't have the "RESET" button on my wiper stalk.
The base P/N is 8K0953502BA
The plus P/N is 8K0953502BD (There is one version w/ the Steering angle Sensor, for me it didn't matter I don't have those features anyway)
Donate to DavidB8 he has done a tone of the legwork to make these DIY easy for us!
http://www.audienthusiasts.com/ProjectSteeringSwap.html

Fakra Connectors Demystified
http://www.comnet.com.au/WebRoot/ecshared01/Shops/comnet/51A0/6855/91E8/6470/C099/AC10/0040/37CB/FAKRA_color_chart_mv1.jpg

Generally you would want a 90*/right angle for behind dash and a straight through for the connections to the sharkfin or wherever else you're hooking it up.

They are "keyed" but if you really don't have a choice you can use "Z" for any of them.

Tons of great wiring and other information
http://a4-klub.pl/index.php?/topic/295399-nawigacja-mmi-3g-basic-high-3g-sim-wersje-wyposazenia/

Option Code Information:
Bang & Olufsen = 9VK
Audi Concert/Symphony System (Active sound, with amp in trunk) = 9VD [I think this is the lowest we got in the US]
Audi System (Passive sound, w/o amp in trunk, center speaker and subwoofer) = 8RX [I think this is only available ROW so don't worry about it]

[IHave2Turbos]

Info:
My car was a 2010 Base so I had the monochrome red DIS. I decided to swap it out for a full color version. I happened upon a cluster on eBay that had the same mileage as mine. Otherwise you need to get the cluster reprogrammed.

FYI: I do not have ACC so my P/N may vary from yours.

Steps to swap out the Instrument Cluster (DIS) on the B8
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/711222-DIY-A5-Instrument-Cluster-Face-and-Gauge-Retrofit-for-A4

1) Remove the MMI LCD Trim (held in by pressure clips)

2) Remove the Left Vent Trim (held in by pressure clips)

3) Pull your steering wheel all the way down to release tension on the center trim piece.

4) Remove the center trim piece (this has pressure clips and little tabs that click into the frame of the cluster)

5) Remove the 3x 8mm bolts. One at each top corner, one on the center bottom. (use a magnet for this one if you are nervous)

6) Pull out the cluster and manipulate it so that basically the gauges are facing up.

7) Pull out the little locking tab on the connector and remove.

8) Swap in your new cluster, attach cable, reinstall 3x 8mm bolts, replace center trim, replace vent trim, replace MMI trim.

9) Go to dealer to get Component Protection removed.

10) Enjoy that sweet full color goodness!
https://s18.postimg.io/5fvjncnnt/IMG_20160901_100934.jpg

Coming up next will be to install the "Navigation" stalks so I can cycle through the screens on the cluster. Stay tuned!

[IHave2Turbos]

OK quick update, DIS/Nav Stalks install went without a hitch. I followed the great DIY at http://audienthusiasts.com/ProjectSteeringSwap.html

If you haven't already send DavidB8 a donation, he has provided so much valuable information on this platform.

Now I can successfully toggle through the various screens on my new Color DIS. I enabled Lap Timer, Oil Temp Gauge, Eco mode via VCDS.

Next Stop: Installing my MMI3G retrofit parts.

[IHave2Turbos]

OK So I have run all cables, removed all of the old parts and installed all of the new MMI3G retrofit parts.

This little nugget of information was not in any of the existing tutorials but it is very important. When you try to remove the hood release lever you need to use a flat head to remove a little plastic clip. It is very simple once you know what to actually do.

Thanks to MOGolf
http://pics.tdiclub.com/members/MOGolf/hoodcablehandle.gif

https://s9.postimg.io/nlwfu6sdr/mmi3g_quadlock_wiring_dash.png

https://s11.postimg.io/vjxkcdedf/Screen_Shot_2016_09_12_at_1_39_29_PM.png

THANKS INFILTRATOR!!!
http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag28/Warren_Trauth/20160910_080713_zpsjf63nzu8.jpg

System is operational.

GPS acquires satellites.

I enabled the secret menu.

Appointment is made to have component protection removed.

I just need to tidy up the wiring under the dash and I am still waiting for the MMI dash bracket to properly button everything up.

Now I just need to get the software updated.
https://s22.postimg.io/w35rwoptd/IMG_20160911_204149.jpg

[IHave2Turbos]

OK so Saturday i disconnected the battery and re-installed all of the components. I took it this morning and they were able to finally remove CP and now the components are all working again.

Coding:

https://trick77.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/diagnose-300x177.jpg
Media ripping works (in hidden menu I changed setting to [4/4 Copy/Ripping Enabled]

Navigation works (and the directions show up in my new Full Color DIS Cluster!)

I have DSP and Subwoofer controls in MMI

AMI Works Completely

MP3 CD's work

DVD Playback with VIM works (Entered Code via VCDS Adapation)

Tuner Couldn't Change Stations:
Problem: After CP was removed all functions of the MMI3G worked except the tuner could not change FM Radio stations.
Solution: I updated the software to 1333 and now everything works perfectly.

TODO's
I need to update the NAR Database
I need to figure out my voice control microphone wiring solution.
In the meantime I got rid of the "Left/Right" Microphone codes by telling MMI in Hidden Menu that No Mics were installed instead of 2.

[IHave2Turbos]

MMI3G Module 56 Radio Coding Demystified:

AA = Tuner Region [US/Europe]
BB = Satellite Type [SDARDS/DAB]
CC = Operational Mode [Not sure what this does exactly] (Some say 05=Q3)
DD = Amplifier Selection [Internal vs. External]
EE = Sound Profile [Not Sure]
FF = [Not Sure]
GG = [Not Sure]
HH = [Not Sure]
II = Chassis [01 = A4/ 02 = Q3?]

For my B8 A4 Concert/Symphony to MMI3G (082G) Retrofit these are my exact VCDS Coding Settings

02 = AM/FM USA (01 = Europe)
00 = Sirius USA version (01 = DAB )
07 = Operational Mode
02 = Internal Amp (01 = External Amp i.e B&0 or stock Symphony)
00 = Sound Profile
00 = No info
00 = No info
00 = No info
01 = Chassis Type A4

[elscotto80]

Impressive work.

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[IHave2Turbos]

Regarding the Single DIN MMI Main Unit Dash Bracket P/N 8K0858969

As of 09/20/2016 There are 2 publically available units of this part that I could find.

there is one dealer in Massachusetts that has a single piece in stock. Their price is ~$168.00. If you'd like specific details PM me.
there is one seller on US ebay that has a single piece in stock. Their price is ~$154.00.

[The Infiltrator]

Nice thread! It's all coming together now that your system's up and running. One of the best mods I've done by far!

[A4 Centaur]

Great work thus far!

I am about to embark upon this work as well to upgrade my 2012 Prestige B8 to 3G+ MMI.

Is there any coding I can help you with presently?

[Gunnark100]

Does anyone have any experience with this "activation dongle"? http://vnsmedia.shoper.pl/en_GB/p/AMI-activator-dongle-for-Audi-MMI-3G-HDD-,-3G-PLUS-,-RMC/112
Is that doing any other coding in the 5F besides what we've already accomplished in the Hidden Menu? (AUX/no AMI BT/AMI) setting?

This dongle will not help you, you have wrong cable(audi MDI cable)! Correct cable for audi 3G AMI(audi music interface) retrofit is:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/For-3G-retrofit-kit-Ami-Audi-A4-A4-A6-A7-music-interface-adapter-RN-S850-4F0/32672328759.html?spm=2114.40010308.4.169.ud0o3e&aff_platform=aaf&cpt=1488681479910&sk=VnYZvQVf&aff_trace_key=edc0fc99e1884917a92f19baa3c521f6-1488681479910-04626-VnYZvQVf

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[IHave2Turbos]

Thanks for your clarification and information. Everything else in my MMI3G retrofit is working very nicely. This is the last piece of the puzzle.

[IHave2Turbos]

Brief Update: I received my AMI Cable from AliExpress and this looks very much like the real deal. I believe upon first inspection that this is actual NOS Audi Stock from 2011/2012.

I plan on installing this this weekend and reporting my results. If so this is the going to be a great buy for $60.

http://oi65.tinypic.com/talggk.jpg

[The Infiltrator]

Brief Update: I received my AMI Cable from AliExpress and this looks very much like the real deal. I believe upon first inspection that this is actual NOS Audi Stock from 2011/2012.

I plan on installing this this weekend and reporting my results. If so this is the going to be a great buy for $60.

http://oi65.tinypic.com/talggk.jpg

Awesome, let me know because I'd like to finish my setup too.

[BIG_ROOSTER]

I tried buying something from AliExpress and they canceled my order said I had to give them social security card

[The Infiltrator]

I tried buying something from AliExpress and they canceled my order said I had to give them social security card

lol, really? Did you report their ass so they'd get shut down and not screw more people over?

[IHave2Turbos]

Wow that sounds pretty sketchy to me as well. This was super straight forward, clicked buy, payed with CC, had the package delivered in like 6 days. Really want to install this and see how it works.

[BIG_ROOSTER]

Hell I figured it was AliExpress doing the canceling. Does that work through individual sellers?

[IHave2Turbos]

UPDATE: AliExpress cable was legit Audi NOS from 2011. Plugged right in and now Ipod Integration works just like my real AMI CAN Box did on my Concert System.

https://s17.postimg.org/uo24y8m33/IMG_20161004_143338.jpg (https://postimage.org)

https://s17.postimg.org/41po99hvz/IMG_20161004_143327.jpg (https://postimage.org)

[The Infiltrator]

UPDATE: AliExpress cable was legit Audi NOS from 2011. Plugged right in and now Ipod Integration works just like my real AMI CAN Box did on my Concert System.

https://s17.postimg.org/uo24y8m33/IMG_20161004_143338.jpg (https://postimage.org)

https://s17.postimg.org/41po99hvz/IMG_20161004_143327.jpg (https://postimage.org)

Have a link to the cable? So you broke the port C off of the quadlock so you could plug this new one in right? I think I might do this and finish my retrofit.

[IHave2Turbos]

Link is in the master parts list at the top I edited the link to point to AliExpress.

Yes i was forced to basically cut out the "C" portion of the shitty kufatec quadlock behind the MMI Main unit because for some reason they decided to go with a fully molded connector instead of the factory audi connector. So you can't just clip in the AMI cable.

You could also de-pin the wires from the AMI cable and repin into the molded quadlock which I admit would be nicer but I thought about it and it would make removing the AMI really difficult if I ever needed to in the future so I chose the cutting approach.

[shaunm82]

Update: So much fail!!! after 2 trips to the dealer they have been unable to communicate with the Module 56 (Radio) to remove Component Protection. My system and basically car are useless in this state.

I have posted a HELP request in this thread: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/502060-New-3G-Plus-MMI-in-2010-Retrofit?p=11891040&viewfull=1#post11891040

Hopefully once I get this figured out I can update the content here to complete the story.

Not sure why, but my car didn't like it when I tried to put the 'navigation' stalks on. I didn't save the code, and I may try the swap again this weekend, but when I scanned it said I had a coding issue.

Everything worked on the wiper stalks, expect for the toggle switch and reset button, was odd.

[IHave2Turbos]

There is some coding involved to get the multifunction display to work. You also have the full color DIS correct?

[IHave2Turbos]

UPDATE: Interesting issue that came up from this retrofit. The CAN Gateway that I got for this upgrade obviously came from a different (older) car. I recently had an issue where my MMI Battery gauge was stuck at 50% even though my alternator/voltage regulator/battery were fine. The problem was that the old gateway still had an old BEM coding in it, the battery was coded as a 2010 build date. I updated the BEM coding to match my actual battery and instantly the gauge went back to 100%. This is an odd little bug that came up as a result of this retrofit and just adding a note here for completeness. Re-coding the BEM should be part of the coding procedure for this upgrade.

[IHave2Turbos]

UPDATE: Another tiny thing to add for a fully complete upgrade which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else. When you take out your Concert/Symphony head unit the passenger side fuse box has a 20A fuse for the radio. When you install the MMI unit you should swap this fuse out for the 5A that the MMI needs. This will protect the MMI head unit from getting zapped. You can see on the passenger fuse box cover that the fuse rating is variable based on which Radio package you have. I believe this is the "right" way to complete this retrofit.

[The Infiltrator]

UPDATE: Another tiny thing to add for a fully complete upgrade which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else. When you take out your Concert/Symphony head unit the passenger side fuse box has a 20A fuse for the radio. When you install the MMI unit you should swap this fuse out for the 5A that the MMI needs. This will protect the MMI head unit from getting zapped. You can see on the passenger fuse box cover that the fuse rating is variable based on which Radio package you have. I believe this is the "right" way to complete this retrofit.

I might have to change that out, I don't think anything will ever happen but I also don't want to find out the hard way. [>_<]

[shaunm82]

There is some coding involved to get the multifunction display to work. You also have the full color DIS correct?

Yes sir~ Figured there might have been. Just wasn't sure what was involved. Have it handy by chance?

[gk404]

I'm starting to piece together the parts for this and had a quick question. Is it essential to have the VIN from the Radio/Receiver Tuner or can this be overcome?

Thanks again to everyone for the very helpful info on this and other threads.

[The Infiltrator]

I'm starting to piece together the parts for this and had a quick question. Is it essential to have the VIN from the Radio/Receiver Tuner or can this be overcome?

Thanks again to everyone for the very helpful info on this and other threads.

No need, every time I went to get the CP taken off they didn't need it.

[elscotto80]

Yes sir~ Figured there might have been. Just wasn't sure what was involved. Have it handy by chance?

Check out audienthusiasts.com...david did a great job of the swap and coding needed. I had to change a few when i swapped the stalk in.

[shaunm82]

Check out audienthusiasts.com...david did a great job of the swap and coding needed. I had to change a few when i swapped the stalk in.

Thanks man, I actually figured it out a few days ago. Found out that I didn't have the 'DIS' installed option, checked that. Reinstalled my stalk and everything was good to go~

[Ford Prefect]

Color Stalks Retrofit:
My car was base so I didn't have the "RESET" button on my wiper stalk.
The base P/N is 8K0953502BA
The plus P/N is 8K0953502BD (There is one version w/ the Steering angle Sensor, for me it didn't matter I don't have those features anyway)
Donate to DavidB8 he has done a tone of the legwork to make these DIY easy for us!
http://www.audienthusiasts.com/ProjectSteeringSwap.html



So I just learned the hard way that Audi doesn't give out part numbers. While this fact really doesn't surprise me in general (why make it easy to buy from others right?), it does surprise me that they won't tell me what's actually installed on my car, that's irritating. But after asking a noob question at the local dealership I may have answered my own question and don't need to pull my column apart to verify, but I'd love verification here:

Are the only differences between the two parts above, BA and BD, the reset button and selector switch on the end of the wiper stalk? If so, I'm good, I have those 2 functions. Would love for someone to verify that though!

[IHave2Turbos]

I generally look at http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/products/Audi/2010/A4/Sabreblack/5668009/8K0953502BD4PK.html

Based on that yes the difference is the BA (base) does not have the multi-function buttons and the (BD) does have the buttons.

[Ford Prefect]

I generally look at http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/products/Audi/2010/A4/Sabreblack/5668009/8K0953502BD4PK.html

Based on that yes the difference is the BA (base) does not have the multi-function buttons and the (BD) does have the buttons.

Thanks! Finally something I don't need to replace. Now I just need to figure out what piano black is and convince myself I don't need it.

[Awdi4Life]

Thanks for the DIY!!!! Quick question; is all the data, assuming it is not wiped out by this swap, stay intact i.e. Odometer, Data 1 and Data 2?

[The Infiltrator]

Thanks for the DIY!!!! Quick question; is all the data, assuming it is not wiped out by this swap, stay intact i.e. Odometer, Data 1 and Data 2?

Any of the data from the DIS stays with the DIS.

[IHave2Turbos]

Yes the mileage is stored in the cluster itself. You will need to find a replacement unit that is close to your original mileage or find someone with a flash writer to reprogram your new cluster to match your current mileage.

[zuti]

Hello,

I have Audi A4 B8 2011 y with red DIS, and a also want to update to color. I have found new inst. cluster with color display, but local service say this can't be done. I can't update to color DIS, and must have cluster with same id number. Can anyone help what i can to do ?

[Gunnark100]

Hello,

I have Audi A4 B8 2011 y with red DIS, and a also want to update to color. I have found new inst. cluster with color display, but local service say this can't be done. I can't update to color DIS, and must have cluster with same id number. Can anyone help what i can to do ?

Your local service are idiots, buy a cluster and local dealer MUST remove component protection, if they dont know how, let them contact audi AG! If not, find some other dealer who will remove CP or person who can clone your CP!

[zuti]

They tell me, it is not the same ports, and other on the old and new instrument cluster. If a dealer remove component protection, what else i must do to make cluster a work ? What is with coding ? he says in instrument must write vehicle ID number and other ?

[Gunnark100]

They tell me, it is not the same ports, and other on the old and new instrument cluster. If a dealer remove component protection, what else i must do to make cluster a work ? What is with coding ? he says in instrument must write vehicle ID number and other ?

Make sure you buy correct color cluster for prefacelift B8:
km, acc or not, diesel or petrol etc...you need to correct mileage(hackers will do this), dealer will not do this on used cluster, or find one close to your current mileage!
More info here:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/625437-Question-s-about-Retrofitting-color-dis-09-A4-B8

Good luck!

[zuti]

One more question ? How to find instrument cluster number of my cluster, to find new one ? My Audi is 2011y, diesel, no acc ?

[CONative]

IHave2Turbos - thank you putting this extremely helpful guide together. I have been contemplating doing this for some time and now I feel much more confident with pricing, part #'s and instructions all laid out. Time to begin sourcing parts!


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[zuti]

I was wondering if there's a way to find the id number of the instrument cluster without extraction from the car?

[Gunnark100]

I was wondering if there's a way to find the id number of the instrument cluster without extraction from the car?

You can see nr with vcds, but you dont need your old cluster number to find new one, just use prcodes and use online catalogue or find cluster number in ebay de... Take 2010+ cluster!

[zuti]

I contacted an authorized audi store, and they told me I could remove a CP for about $ 35. When I embark on a new instrument cluster for myself, will I be able to start a car to go to them? And when they remove the protection, is it all? Why did others mention that a new instrument cluster should be coded, add additional data to it? In blocks 50 and 20?

[zuti]

Something like this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLCa6VyZ8Fk

[zuti]

Done !! Al what you need is to remove CP from intrument cluster and if you want correct milage. No other coding needed. Replaced instrument cluster is from 2009y. I will tomoroow upload some pictures. Color DIS is awesome !!! My next retrofit will be MMI with NAVI update !!

THANKS TO Gunnark100 !!!

[zuti]

http://imgur.com/a/cXgSh
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[Gunnark100]

My next retrofit will be MMI with NAVI update !!
THANKS TO Gunnark100 !!!

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Regardingi Navi, make sure jump to 3G+(EU mainunit with sim 8R1035670)!

[andybq5]

I am working on MMI retrofit project and found this very detailed and fast video of Q5 retrofit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bFaSBHydSU..

[andybq5]

My project budget spend comparison..

MMI Unit, Controls & Trim:
7" LCD Trim: 8K1857186H/F eBay I Paid: $48 He Paid: $55 -->I paid $12
7" LCD Screen: 8R0919604A eBay I Paid: $150 He Paid: $177 --> I paid $74
MMI System (2010): 8T1035664B eBay I Paid: $112 He Paid: $134 --> I paid $99 (3G high 2015 unit with Sim)
MMI Bracket: 8K0858969 eBay I Paid: $154 He Paid: $128 -> NA
MMI Controls: 8T0919609F eBay I Paid: $120 He Paid: $177 --> I paid $34
MMI ESP Switch: 8K1959673 eBay I Paid: FREE He Paid: $27 (came w/ MMI) -->I paid $20

CAN Module:
MOST CAN Gateway: 8T0907468AD eBay I Paid: $80 He Paid: $80 --> I paid $40

GPS Antenna:
FAKRA GPS Antenna: N/A eBay I Paid: $8 He Paid: $8 --> I paid $ 7


GSM Cable: (Just in case I upgrade to MMI3G+ in the future, the Cell Phone cable will be run already)
FAKRA D GSM Cable to Trunk: N/A eBay I Paid: $13 He Paid: $? --> I paid $8

Kufatec Radio to MMI3G High Harness:
Kufatec Harness: N/A Kufatec I Paid: $305 He Paid: $350 -->I paid $265

Radio/Amp (WA1DGAFE7FDXXXXXX):
Radio Trunk Bracket: 8T0907368A eBay I Paid: $24 He Paid: $66 --> NA
Radio/Receiver Tuner: 4G0035082G eBay I Paid: $240 He Paid: $167 -->>$ 130 (2016 unit with HD sirius)
Radio Protection Removal: N/A dealer I Paid: $144 He Paid: $? --> Still TBD

AMI Cable
MMI3G AMI Cable: N/A Ali Express I Paid: $63 He Paid: ? --> NA

SAT Cable Extension to Trunk:
15ft Fakra M-to-F SatRadio Ext: N/A eBay I Paid: $16 He Paid: $16 --> I Paid $ 9

[Ford Prefect]

My project budget spend comparison..

MMI Unit, Controls & Trim:
7" LCD Trim:8K1857186H/FeBayI Paid: $48He Paid: $55 -->I paid $12
7" LCD Screen:8R0919604AeBayI Paid: $150He Paid: $177 --> I paid $74
MMI System (2010):8T1035664BeBayI Paid: $112He Paid: $134 --> I paid $99 (3G high 2015 unit with Sim)
MMI Bracket:8K0858969eBayI Paid: $154He Paid: $128 -> NA
MMI Controls:8T0919609FeBayI Paid: $120He Paid: $177 --> I paid $34
MMI ESP Switch:8K1959673eBayI Paid: FREEHe Paid: $27 (came w/ MMI) -->I paid $20

CAN Module:
MOST CAN Gateway:8T0907468ADeBayI Paid: $80He Paid: $80 --> I paid $40

GPS Antenna:
FAKRA GPS Antenna:N/AeBayI Paid: $8He Paid: $8 --> I paid $ 7


GSM Cable: (Just in case I upgrade to MMI3G+ in the future, the Cell Phone cable will be run already)
FAKRA D GSM Cable to Trunk:N/AeBayI Paid: $13He Paid: $? --> I paid $8

Kufatec Radio to MMI3G High Harness:
Kufatec Harness:N/AKufatecI Paid: $305He Paid: $350 -->I paid $265

Radio/Amp (WA1DGAFE7FDXXXXXX):
Radio Trunk Bracket:8T0907368AeBayI Paid: $24He Paid: $66 --> NA
Radio/Receiver Tuner:4G0035082GeBayI Paid: $240He Paid: $167 -->>$ 130 (2016 unit with HD sirius)
Radio Protection Removal:N/AdealerI Paid: $144He Paid: $? --> Still TBD

AMI Cable
MMI3G AMI Cable:N/AAli ExpressI Paid: $63He Paid: ? --> NA

SAT Cable Extension to Trunk:
15ft Fakra M-to-F SatRadio Ext:N/AeBayI Paid: $16He Paid: $16 --> I Paid $ 9

How's you get the Kufatec harness so cheap? Aren't there 3 needed for the swap?


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[IHave2Turbos]

not sure i understand? the harness kit includes everything you need. the price on their site includes taxes which we don’t pay in the US

[IHave2Turbos]

also as you can see the prices have continued to trend downwards as more and more of these parts get old and flood ebay.

[IHave2Turbos]

i’ll probably re-retrofit to mmi3g+ if i can scoop up controls and main unit on the cheap.

[Ford Prefect]

not sure i understand? the harness kit includes everything you need. the price on their site includes taxes which we don’t pay in the US

This cable, which I believe is right, mentions you also need part numbers 36735 and 39411. The main harness is $299 euros so I'm guessing eBay was the source for the $265 price.

https://www.kufatec.de/shop/en/audi/a5/a5-8t/upgrade-radio-system-mmi-high-3g-harness-audi


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[IHave2Turbos]

299 euro minus 19% VAT

those additional harnesses would be for if you wanted to add or adapt factory AMI. I posted my link to AliExpress where I bought a factory one.

Another optional harness is their dual microphone adapter but i didn’t buy that either.

[andybq5]

This cable, which I believe is right, mentions you also need part numbers 36735 and 39411. The main harness is $299 euros so I'm guessing eBay was the source for the $265 price.

https://www.kufatec.de/shop/en/audi/a5/a5-8t/upgrade-radio-system-mmi-high-3g-harness-audi


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Well, no I haggled and had Kufatec price match to a similar cable on eBay.[race]

[andybq5]

Go for it man.. there are many available for cheap on eBay and also chcek out https://www.partsmarket.com/ .

[Ford Prefect]

299 euro minus 19% VAT

those additional harnesses would be for if you wanted to add or adapt factory AMI. I posted my link to AliExpress where I bought a factory one.

Another optional harness is their dual microphone adapter but i didn’t buy that either.

Ah! I misunderstood, -19%, very good.


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[IHave2Turbos]

Murica!!!!!

[andybq5]

Ah! I misunderstood, -19%, very good.


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Here is another deal on MMI 3G bluetooth microphone.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Audi-A4L-A6L-Q5-A5-S5-Q7-Bluetooth-phone-microphone-MMI-3G-Bluetooth/122687068551?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

[andybq5]

Murica!!!!!

When you swapped your DIS did it cause any mileage discrepancy?

[IHave2Turbos]

yes i bought one that luckily was only about 20 more than i had on the car. otherwise you need to get the DIS coded with your mileage

[andybq5]

I started my upgrade today but got stuck at radio amp unit. My Q5 has factory sat Sirius radio and all I find in back rear bracket is an Amp unit with rectangular plug but not trace of Sirius unit. Kufatec cable came with an empty quadlock and wires and no instruction on how to mount MMI radio in trunk. Do you have any pictures on how to get cable wiring for quadlock and fit in to MMI HD radio?

[andybq5]

Hi I am trying to upgrade from concert to MMI 3g plus and need help connecting Kufatec pink display wire 4 pin to back of MMI unit. There isnt any pink connector on back of MMI unit. Can you please help? I am also not getting display or key light up on console button near shifter.. What could be wrong?

[Slick_B8]

Bump, help him out lol

[Ford Prefect]

yes i bought one that luckily was only about 20 more than i had on the car. otherwise you need to get the DIS coded with your mileage

Just quoting so maybe you can assist.


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[frankv27]

I want to personally thank everyone for all the info on this thread. I have been wanting to do this since I purchased my 2010 S4

[andybq5]

Bump.. no activity..

[johnnySV]

if somebody is planning to take on this mod, hit me up — i have a custom white LED gauge cluster that i’d like to sell you. it currently has the red DIS, so it’s a good candidate for the color DIS swap. the white LEDs were fitted to a stock a4 cluster to allow for white illumination of the gauge needles of white needles are fitted (like s4).


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[andybq5]

Can you post pics?

[johnnySV]

here is a pic of what it looks like in an a4 with color DIS, white needles, and my white LEDshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171210/290a987eec1edb0b004597f4f7403d48.jpg


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[andybq5]

Looks cool!! I am on 65k Miles and it’s on 54k not sure I can go with it. Pm me your asking price


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[andybq5]

Btw I got my mmi 3g plus retro done and working with Google 3G. It’s was a bad 5F unit!!


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[Ford Prefect]

Btw I got my mmi 3g plus retro done and working with Google 3G. It’s was a bad 5F unit!!


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Nice!! How long did it take you, total?


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[andybq5]

Around 6 hrs split in two days


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[andybq5]

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Now have mmi 3g kit for sale ..Sold!!!