Anyone used european tuning specialsts tunes?

[S4gasm2.7t]

Hey guys pretty straight forward question, I've searched a bit but all I come across is talk about their 3 bar map sensor lol. Just wanna know if anyone has used their tunes at all.

Website would be etspec.com

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[S4gasm2.7t]

Really no one even has any input? Or is there just less people using audizine nowadays...

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[LightningLou]

Never heard of them and I'm probably not the only one... I would just stick with one of the more reputable tuners in the community.

[aysix]

It's Blake Beadle. He tunes a bunch of B5 S4 guys.

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrSpeigels

[Wagonholic]

It's Blake Beadle. He tunes a bunch of B5 S4 guys.

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrSpeigels

That's Jon's channel, I believe he is "Shmaudi" on here or something like that. Running Blake's tune.

I'd recommend him, Blake's a great guy and his car was fastest euro at SoCal Euro this year.

Both of their cars are pretty damn fast and run quite well.

[S4gasm2.7t]

Ok thanks guys. I wasn't sure just passed on price, his stage 3 fueling setup with a tune and revisions is $850 or so,and I was like wow, just wanted to make sure it's not too good to be true.

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[Gotwake424]

Ok thanks guys. I wasn't sure just passed on price, his stage 3 fueling setup with a tune and revisions is $850 or so,and I was like wow, just wanted to make sure it's not too good to be true.

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You're only getting 550cc injectors an rs4 maf and a tune.
It's really not that great of a deal

EV14 550cc are like 295 new
A daz tune is like 350
thats only 650
an rs4 maf can't be 200$

[01audia4]

You're only getting 550cc injectors an rs4 maf and a tune.
It's really not that great of a deal

EV14 550cc are like 295 new
A daz tune is like 350
thats only 650
an rs4 maf can't be 200$

You're getting a FP too - so I would say for $50 more it's all about the convenience of buying it in one place.

[erykv1]

a daz tune is $350? I must be missing something... maybe for a stage 2 tune.

[mikay1814]

a daz tune is $350? I must be missing something... maybe for a stage 2 tune.

Nope, for stage 3.

[erykv1]

Nope, for stage 3.

How long ago was this? As of last year all stage 3 tunes have been $450.

[Gotwake424]

You're getting a FP too - so I would say for $50 more it's all about the convenience of buying it in one place.

Right forgot the FP, but even those can be found a little cheaper then 134$
I get that it's "all in one place"
but its not like this is some crazy good deal


How long ago was this? As of last year all stage 3 tunes have been $450.

I don't got mine maybe 2 years ago?

[mikay1814]

How long ago was this? As of last year all stage 3 tunes have been $450.

Maybe a year and half ago.

[Wagonholic]

Ok thanks guys. I wasn't sure just passed on price, his stage 3 fueling setup with a tune and revisions is $850 or so,and I was like wow, just wanted to make sure it's not too good to be true.

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Yep, it's correct. It's just because companies like APR/GIAC charge stupidly outrageous amounts for their off the shelf fueling kits that don't put out much power.

[Wagonholic]

How long ago was this? As of last year all stage 3 tunes have been $450.


Daz quoted me $300 over a year ago when I was looking for a tuner. I believe they changed their pricing structure since.

[S4gasm2.7t]

I believe he also includes a 3 bar map sensor as well

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[Wagonholic]

I believe he also includes a 3 bar map sensor as well

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yup

[SavageS4]

Let me break this down for you guys:

This is what is included in my package:
- Walbro genuine 450 LPH E85 Pump. (Cheapest $120 on ebay)
- 3 Bar Map Sensor Genuine Bosch (Cheapest $60 if you really get a genuine one)
- Genuine Bosch Ev14 52lb injectors with clips ($225 cheapest, again if you are getting real stuff)
- Genuine Bosch RS4 MAF Sensor brand new ($150 cheapest even on ebay)
- Custom Stage 3 Tune 3 BAR tune with Logging and Revisions (At least $400 value however you look at it)
- 5 Years of development on my own car and other cars in my area (Priceless), including a vast amount of E85 tuning experience with many different turbo setups.
So that alone totals $955 without monetizing the experience and time that has gone into the process behind all of this.

My price: $799

Also, if the injectors aren't big enough we offer upgrade options on the page for little additional money $.

Cheers!

[Peter Griffin]

I dont think anyone said it was a rip off, good job at coming across as a dick tho.

[S4gasm2.7t]

I don't think he was coming across as a dick at all. Some people were saying it's a crappy deal and saying you're only getting this and this... well he's telling you exactly what's going into his kit to end the back and forth with it. End of story, it's definitely a good price and I wanted to double check things is all.

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[Peter Griffin]

Now that he edited it he doesnt come across as dick.

[FlyboyS4]

Yep, it's correct. It's just because companies like APR/GIAC charge stupidly outrageous amounts for their off the shelf fueling kits that don't put out much power.

We're into the fourth generation of tuners, comparing them with those that pioneered the product line and have since left the platform is a poor comparison.

[Gotwake424]

I don't think he was coming across as a dick at all. Some people were saying it's a crappy deal and saying you're only getting this and this... well he's telling you exactly what's going into his kit to end the back and forth with it. End of story, it's definitely a good price and I wanted to double check things is all.

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woah never said it was a crap deal. I was pointing out that this isn't as OP put it "too good to be true"

[Wagonholic]

We're into the fourth generation of tuners, comparing them with those that pioneered the product line and have since left the platform is a poor comparison.

Yes, but they still offer their tunes, and people still buy them. So since they're still on the market, they can be compared. Their just offering an inferior product and that's their problem. I used to run giac software so I'm speaking from experience.


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[Quattro_The_Dog]

Take it from a decade plus owner here, all of these new options are a great deal. A short time ago a custom tune on this platform and a fueling kit to match was treated like secret and cost you easily $2500. I have been tuned custom or of the shelf by giac, apr, vast, epl, maestro, vlmspec, jhm and daz. All of them accomplished the goals at each interval in the cars life. I wouldn't hesitate to try the Blake guys file out too because all of these so called new tuners are coming from nef and the tunes are pretty good. I have paid anywhere from $450 more recently to $1200 for just tunes and had probably 5 different fueling kits on my car from k03s to rs6s. I wish the tunes had always been around $400! Those prices above on parts seem good too. My last package was $1050 but for different injectors and maf.

[FlyboyS4]

Yes, but they still offer their tunes, and people still buy them. So since they're still on the market, they can be compared. Their just offering an inferior product and that's their problem. I used to run giac software so I'm speaking from experience.

APR doesn't sell their OTS kit any longer. If you want to change the subject from what you said before to now talk about tunes that's ok, but it is a different subject.

The GIAC and APR tunes are experiencing the same situation as the hardware products, the companies have moved on and last updated those tunes about a decade ago. It's easy enough to flash an ecu, so it makes sense to continue to offer something that doesn't require maintaining an inventory of. I do agree that in strict terms they are 'inferior', but I don't think by much. How much of a performance gain did you see when switching from the GIAC tune? What changed with the tune, did you see better results on the same boost?

[Wagonholic]

APR doesn't sell their OTS kit any longer. If you want to change the subject from what you said before to now talk about tunes that's ok, but it is a different subject.

The GIAC and APR tunes are experiencing the same situation as the hardware products, the companies have moved on and last updated those tunes about a decade ago. It's easy enough to flash an ecu, so it makes sense to continue to offer something that doesn't require maintaining an inventory of. I do agree that in strict terms they are 'inferior', but I don't think by much. How much of a performance gain did you see when switching from the GIAC tune? What changed with the tune, did you see better results on the same boost?
I don't want to thread jack, but I'm more than happy to either discuss this somewhere else.

I would like to mention though that the GIAC tune/fueling kit wasn't BAD for what it is. It was still fast. But at the same boost levels, I was getting much better throttle response, MUCH better fuel economy, and the car just felt more lively. It was definitely noticeable in terms of power and speed, for the plain and simple fact that the OTS tunes are just that: off the shelf. They are made to be compatible with all cars, and therefore leave a lot on the table in terms of potential. Yes, in the long run it may be more reliable, but at the price point that they are currently offered at ($2k + for the entire kit, tune and components) is it even worth it?

Tuners such as Blake (etspec) can offer the same or similar hardware at a fraction at a price, which is the first plus. Secondly, these tunes are revised for each individual car, tailored for an owner's desires. This means the tune can take into account variations in hardware that may differ between cars. This allows a car to be run closer to its fullest potential. With all the benefits in terms of performance and price, it should be a no-brainer lol

[oppositelock]

We're into the fourth generation of tuners, comparing them with those that pioneered the product line and have since left the platform is a poor comparison.

Why? Lower price + better performance == win.

The fact that guys like Daz are making money doing custom tunes for $400 shows that there's demand and money to be made. APR and GIAC could have lowered prices and kept revising tunes to compete, but that's not their business model. They get in early, charge top dollar, and leave when their monopoly evaporates/lower cost options are available.

[Gotwake424]

Why? Lower price + better performance == win.

The fact that guys like Daz are making money doing custom tunes for $400 shows that there's demand and money to be made. APR and GIAC could have lowered prices and kept revising tunes to compete, but that's not their business model. They get in early, charge top dollar, and leave when their monopoly evaporates/lower cost options are available.

And not to mention most of the tunes from APR GIAC etc are "box" tunes and aren't tailored to your engine. Hence the need for logging with all the other guys

[FlyboyS4]

I don't want to thread jack, but I'm more than happy to either discuss this somewhere else.

I would like to mention though that the GIAC tune/fueling kit wasn't BAD for what it is. It was still fast. But at the same boost levels, I was getting much better throttle response, MUCH better fuel economy, and the car just felt more lively. It was definitely noticeable in terms of power and speed, for the plain and simple fact that the OTS tunes are just that: off the shelf. They are made to be compatible with all cars, and therefore leave a lot on the table in terms of potential. Yes, in the long run it may be more reliable, but at the price point that they are currently offered at ($2k + for the entire kit, tune and components) is it even worth it?

Tuners such as Blake (etspec) can offer the same or similar hardware at a fraction at a price, which is the first plus. Secondly, these tunes are revised for each individual car, tailored for an owner's desires. This means the tune can take into account variations in hardware that may differ between cars. This allows a car to be run closer to its fullest potential. With all the benefits in terms of performance and price, it should be a no-brainer lol

Is the discussion now going back to talking about a software/hardware product that APR no longer sells?

I'm not claiming that 10 years after APR left the platform that there aren't better options now available, my criticism was with comparing a 2015 product offering to one that was last revised in 2005 and is no longer offered.


Why? Lower price + better performance == win.

The fact that guys like Daz are making money doing custom tunes for $400 shows that there's demand and money to be made. APR and GIAC could have lowered prices and kept revising tunes to compete, but that's not their business model. They get in early, charge top dollar, and leave when their monopoly evaporates/lower cost options are available.

I believe there is a marginal performance gain from the 'custom' tunes outside of upping boost levels. What's the business model of the current, lower cost option, generation of tuners?


And not to mention most of the tunes from APR GIAC etc are "box" tunes and aren't tailored to your engine. Hence the need for logging with all the other guys

The K03 tunes that are built around stock injectors, stock maf, aftermarket DP's, such as what the APR/GIAC stage 2 tunes are designed for, how much more performance does the 'tailoring' get you at an equivalent boost profile level?

[Gotwake424]

Is the discussion now going back to talking about a software/hardware product that APR no longer sells?

I'm not claiming that 10 years after APR left the platform that there aren't better options now available, my criticism was with comparing a 2015 product offering to one that was last revised in 2005 and is no longer offered.



I believe there is a marginal performance gain from the 'custom' tunes outside of upping boost levels. What's the business model of the current, lower cost option, generation of tuners?



The K03 tunes that are built around stock injectors, stock maf, aftermarket DP's, such as what the APR/GIAC stage 2 tunes are designed for, how much more performance does the 'tailoring' get you at an equivalent boost profile level?

Not so much on K03's but on K04's I'd imagine you see a noticeable difference from engine to engine

[S4gasm2.7t]

Not so much on K03's but on K04's I'd imagine you see a noticeable difference from engine to engine
Also as the OP on this thread I will say that I did say that I was looking at the stage 3 fueling kit... so as ypu said considering k04 framed turbos probably quite a noticeable difference.

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[Drehmoment]

GIAC did release a E85/KO4 file a couple of years ago after some extensive testing/developing and it did put out impressive logs and 60-130 numbers. So not 300-400 bucks but it certainly maxed out a stock block car and then some and I have not seen a remote or Nef offspring tuners be as fast as that shop car was. I believe it was later marketed under "Emanuel design" or something like that.

[Drehmoment]

Found it, never ran GIAC but here it is http://www.emmanueledesign.com/collections/audi/products/giac-audi-b5-s4-extreme-k04-f21-e85-conversion-kit, not for the usual shoe string budget crowd .

[S4gasm2.7t]

GIAC did release a E85/KO4 file a couple of years ago after some extensive testing/developing and it did put out impressive logs and 60-130 numbers. So not 300-400 bucks but it certainly maxed out a stock block car and then some and I have not seen a remote or Nef offspring tuners be as fast as that shop car was. I believe it was later marketed under "Emanuel design" or something like that.
Not saying those aren't good numbers or that there is someone beating it that is a nef offspring tuner... but the main reason it's able to get that much power is the e85... basically like running race gas because of the octane rating equivalent. The downside is you require much more e85 to burn than gasoline so gas milage will go down, however if you live near an e85 pump, usually much cheaper than 91 or 93oct

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[Drehmoment]

^
I was addressing the "slow" claims of the so called one for all box tuners by some posters in this thread and that GIAC box one for all tune is certainly not slow on any fuel but it is $$ uncompetitive

[S4gasm2.7t]

Agreed definitely not slow but custom tuning could always be better.

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[Gotwake424]

^
I was addressing the "slow" claims of the so called one for all box tuners by some posters in this thread and that GIAC box one for all tune is certainly not slow on any fuel but it is $$ uncompetitive

Right so why would you ever play 1200$ for an e85 tune when the nef crowded has already proved they can lay a tune down just as good if not better for a third of the cost


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[Drehmoment]

Lol as usual it comes to the bean counters.....please provide a faster 60-130 time on a stock block E85 car......you can't ....the GIAC file is about as maxed out as they come , one step above is block windowing. The only argument you have is $$$.Fact.

[mikay1814]

Lol as usual it comes to the bean counters.....please provide a faster 60-130 time on a stock block E85 car......you can't ....the GIAC file is about as maxed out as they come , one step above is block windowing. The only argument you have is $$$.Fact.

I don't believe that 60-130 time is with a stock block. Sorry.

The giac car in the videos in this link has rods...
http://www.emmanueledesign.com/collections/audi/products/giac-audi-b5-s4-extreme-k04-f21-e85-conversion-kit

Why would they use a different car without rods to try and set a PJ k04 record...

[Drehmoment]

The silver car was the development mule for the file and it was a stock block. When the times were posted a couple of years ago everybody was surprised that it survived looking at the logs next to the run. I think they are advertisers here, maybe they can chime in.

[S4gasm2.7t]

450 (stock rod file) is not maxed out... the stock block can take 500 limit all day. My buddy mike used to have the fastest one in my area before he sold it, was running 93oct and meth agressive custom tune and was hitting right around 500 give or take a few hp. Daily'd the car never any problems... so 450 for a stock rod file is again less agressive so as to not blow the engine of a customers car... and on a built engine can definitely produce better numbers than what theirs are. Not trying to be a dick, just pointing out they're not maxed tunes.

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[Drehmoment]

^
You , literally, do not know what you are talking about......does your buddy have any 1/4 or 60--130...of course not ,lol, 500 whp all day, do you do stand up by any chance ?

[S4gasm2.7t]

Yeah i go all around the world doing comedy shows, and talking shitni dont know on forums... You are literally retarded. I've been in my s4 for over 4 years buddy. And my buddy's was in his when I met him. It's been common knowledge for years that 500whp yes ALL WHEEL HORSEPOWER is the max that you would want to run a stock block 2.7t unless the people on the forums decided to put they're bitch panties on over the last 2 years. And I'm not at all saying that the 1/4 mile or 60-130 times are bullshit, I'm clearly stating that the tune they put out IS NOT MAXED as you so put it. Any BOX tune that any company puts out will not be maxed. It's to protect customers cars... if it was a "maxed out tune" then half the people who buy the tune would most likely screw up they're car for not running as efficient parts as the original tune vehicle... it's performance business 101.

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[Peter1.8t]

Yeah i go all around the world doing comedy shows, and talking shitni dont know on forums... You are literally retarded. I've been in my s4 for over 4 years buddy. And my buddy's was in his when I met him. It's been common knowledge for years that 500whp yes ALL WHEEL HORSEPOWER is the max that you would want to run a stock block 2.7t unless the people on the forums decided to put they're bitch panties on over the last 2 years. And I'm not at all saying that the 1/4 mile or 60-130 times are bullshit, I'm clearly stating that the tune they put out IS NOT MAXED as you so put it. Any BOX tune that any company puts out will not be maxed. It's to protect customers cars... if it was a "maxed out tune" then half the people who buy the tune would most likely screw up they're car for not running as efficient parts as the original tune vehicle... it's performance business 101.

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You do realize hp is not bending rods right?

[S4gasm2.7t]

Yes I know that. But I also know that torque curves do somewhat walk In hand with hp. So there won't be a 500hp 2.7t with only 200ftlbs of torque lol. All I'm tying to say was that the giac e85 kit isn't a maxed out tune. It's a conservative tune

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[Quattro_The_Dog]

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You , literally, do not know what you are talking about......does your buddy have any 1/4 or 60--130...of course not ,lol, 500 whp all day, do you do stand up by any chance ?

The 2.7t has been proven to handle 500 whp literally 100 of times. What are you even suggesting here? That has been the known limit from back in like 2004 when wms and others started playing with nitrous and a few shops blew up engines seeking the limits. That failure point has been known since before you knew what an s4 was apparently. Sorry to sound rude but c'mom. Go read audiworld or something and learn your platform.

[Quattro_The_Dog]

You do realize hp is not bending rods right?

You know snowtrooper right? His car in the WA days was continually dynoed at 490-515 whp and 500+ ft lbs and ran low 11s with no tricks. Its what made me buy a b5 in the first place. For the sake of this thread that was in 2005 on tweaked giac software.

[Drehmoment]

Quattrokitty, I had my S4 since 2000....needless to say It have been around the block a couple of times more than you, yes some had around 500 whp but trapped barely 120, with some exceptions you count on one hand all those "500 whp" stock block or build, lol, have done jack shid in regards to real world performance data, sure silly downhill Fats times and winning races on the dyno.

Btw, Snowpooper and I usually did not get along.

[Peter Griffin]

"Snowpooper" and "quattrokitty" lol glad to see ur keeping it a mature constructive conversation and not acting like a little kid.

[Peter1.8t]

You know snowtrooper right? His car in the WA days was continually dynoed at 490-515 whp and 500+ ft lbs and ran low 11s with no tricks. Its what made me buy a b5 in the first place. For the sake of this thread that was in 2005 on tweaked giac software.

Yup, I thought he broke into the 10's with a shot of nitrous on the k04 car? I know there's a video somewhere on YouTube at pacific raceways. Never underestimate a strung out k04 s4. There's a few out there that surprise people.

[Quattro_The_Dog]

I believe it did go 10s on nitrous, I had already moved from Seattle by then though.

[Quattro_The_Dog]

Quattrokitty, I had my S4 since 2000....needless to say It have been around the block a couple of times more than you, yes some had around 500 whp but trapped barely 120, with some exceptions you count on one hand all those "500 whp" stock block or build, lol, have done jack shid in regards to real world performance data, sure silly downhill Fats times and winning races on the dyno.

Btw, Snowpooper and I usually did not get along.

I can see why you two didnt get along, you are so friendly and mature. So who were you back in the day then? I was JayS4 on audiworld. I feel like you just never were around any fast cars then, because plenty of people broke 500 whp or were right at it when ko4 kits went homebrew. Now in 2015 the old timers mostly have 600 whp or more, what's your status?

[S4gasm2.7t]

The 2.7t has been proven to handle 500 whp literally 100 of times. What are you even suggesting here? That has been the known limit from back in like 2004 when wms and others started playing with nitrous and a few shops blew up engines seeking the limits. That failure point has been known since before you knew what an s4 was apparently. Sorry to sound rude but c'mom. Go read audiworld or something and learn your platform.
Thank you. That's what I've been trying to say. Yeah I lost it for a minute but when people try to attack me on a forum about something I know, I attack right back. I don't know everything about the s4 but the reason I got it was I loved the b5 body style and wanted more performance than an A4. The first thread I posted was asking how much the stock block can handle cause I planned on going stage 3 right away. Unfortunately lost a job back then and only went stage 3 in the last 6 months, and still working out the kinks. I understand not going for 500hp because for me (who doesn't have a second car or expendable cash for a new motor lol) 430-450 is a nice conservative power that should still keep the car rather reliable (for a b5 that is [emoji13] ) and still moves, but I've definitely seen more power on stock blocks plenty of times and still goes all day.

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[S4gasm2.7t]

Ya know I started this thread to ask a simple question lol cause I haven't searched for tunes in a while so I was very surprised to see some good tuners only charging 300-500 bucks for a proper stage 3 tune. I needed to know if it was too good to be true. Cause I know united motorsports is still 750, solomotorsports (jfonz) is 750 or 800, and so on. But then it turns into this flame war about how the "pioneers" were better... everything just kinda got outa hand lol

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[erykv1]

Most places charge $$$ for tunes because they can. Or people that aren't as internet saavy only think there are a handful of options. With many websites like nef around, if you are willing to invest some time you can technically tune your own car for free. The resources are there, and they are very receptive to helping as long as you do some groundwork for yourself.

I've always wondered what the limits are to the ME7... the two big european names that come to mind are MRC and now TUNETEC which does all the TTE780/TE980 etc cars. Not sure if theyre on standalones or if the same ME7 we are using.

It seems like there are a good amount of S4's in the 400-500HP range. I'm sure costs increase exponentially with the amount of power you want to make, but I wonder how much of it is ECU / tuning limitations.

[Racin2redline]

I have a great experience with daz. he's tuned a handful of my friends various vws audis and my e85TT

I learned the hard way with my stage 3 Allroad when I went with a eurodyne tune through a dealer. paid over a 1000$ between the software and dyno time. tuner requested I use the supplied Siemens 630cc inj which I knew sucked but...
"the base map only has the deka 630cc as an option" .. need less to say it is an expensive mistake and i paid alot of money to have my car flashed with some crappy outdated program.
I'm having daz retune my allroad as soon as we are done with my TT

[jaychen]

Agreed.

Daz tuned my k24 car, nothing bad to say. Car ripped, didnt blow up. Really thorough and helpful.

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[johnnybravo!]

It's Blake Beadle. He tunes a bunch of B5 S4 guys.

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrSpeigels

Today I had Blake @ ETSpec tune my S4 for E85.. after I swapped out a bad N75 and multiple revisions to dial it all in.. I'm seeing consistent 3.0 Fats on his safe for stock block tune...my car just rips.. for $500 I got switchable 91pump/e85 (91 low boost, 91 high boost, E85, immobilizer, anti-lag) package... Money well friggin' spent..great guy to deal with.. Highly recommend.

[Corradovolksb]

That's a very risky fats for stock block but glad to hear it's running well. What turbos are you running?

[Peter1.8t]

He should be okay, I've been doing 3.0 fats for years on pump+ meth.

[FlyboyS4]

He should be okay, I've been doing 3.0 fats for years on pump+ meth.

Agreed, 3.0 FATS should translate to a car making in the low 400's whp.

[phila_dot]

Today I had Blake @ ETSpec tune my S4 for E85.. after I swapped out a bad N75 and multiple revisions to dial it all in.. I'm seeing consistent 3.0 Fats on his safe for stock block tune...my car just rips.. for $500 I got switchable 91pump/e85 (91 low boost, 91 high boost, E85, immobilizer, anti-lag) package... Money well friggin' spent..great guy to deal with.. Highly recommend.

Switchable you say, can you give us more details?

[phila_dot]

Strange, your reply seems to have been deleted.

Let me guess, pressing "Set" toggles between maps and pulling "Res" flashes the current map?

[oppositelock]

Did you develop this code? I searched Nef but couldn't find anything about it.

[Mocke]

Strange, your reply seems to have been deleted.

Let me guess, pressing "Set" toggles between maps and pulling "Res" flashes the current map?



Hehe, Interesting.

[stuklr]

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=2872.0title=

[Corradovolksb]

Strange, your reply seems to have been deleted.

Let me guess, pressing "Set" toggles between maps and pulling "Res" flashes the current map?

You beat me to the punch it seems like your code to me.

[aysix]

Was waiting on phila to post on this lol.

[Quattro_The_Dog]

So Blake Beadle charges more for a file with Phila dot code in it or the same price as a standard file? If he charges more for that, shame on him.

[SavageS4]

I charged this guy $500 to dial his car in on two fuels, 91 octane with meth and E85, I spent two full days with this guy and helped him with many hardware issues as well. This is the price I usually charge for just E85 which can be verified on my web site. I do not sell switchable maps, and I do not advertise it. I simply helped this local guy out because he has no laptop, no cable, and no technical experience to comfortably flash different files and limited access to E85. I have reached out to phila_dot, I'm not using or selling his code to make a profit. I apologize in this situation and I was hesitant to even do this and made it clear to this customer it was not my code. I won't respond further in this thread, I am just an enthusiast trying to sell parts right above my cost and help people out and make them happy with their cars. I won't be doing this in the future no matter how badly someone wants it without phila authorizing it. Best regards to all of you.

[Quattro_The_Dog]

No big deal if you just lump it in since it was freeware of sorts.