Audi Q5 - Swapping 2013 headlights to a 2009-2012 - almost there !

[Elberoth]

There has been a lot of talk about swapping the new facelifted 2013 Q5 headlights into a 2009-2012 Q5s.

The consensus was, it was not possible due to design changes. Rears yes, fronts - no.

Well, I'm glad to report that I have successfully test fitted one FL headlight today. I was lucky, as nearby body shop just took a 2013 Q5 for headlight / front bumper replacement after a small accident, so we just borrowed one of the headlamps.

2010 headlight on the left and 2013 FL headlight on the right:

http://imageshack.us/a/img51/9167/04h1.jpg

Audi part # for the LEFT 2013 FL headlight:

http://imageshack.us/a/img69/186/55r0.jpg

The headlight fits, BUT:

1. you also need to buy a headlight support bracket, as it is completely different:

http://imageshack.us/a/img845/3724/qj33.jpg

Audi part # is 8R0 941 453A - this is for the LEFT headlight only:

http://imageshack.us/a/img96/2818/dvce.jpg

The new support has one extra mounting hole:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/336/buo6.jpg

I belive this is Audi solution to the known Q5 light beam jitter problem (when you hit the pothole, you could see the light beam jittering briefly). I belive the extra mounting point is to prevent that from happening, as it supports the weight of the headlight housing from the back. There is also an extra part that connects this support to the car body - I belive it will be retrofitable as well. I will check that tomorrow and will post some more images and hopefully part #s.

2. you need to get harness extension (male to female) as the stock harness will not reach the socket on the FL headlight.

The sockets are the same:

http://imageshack.us/a/img46/131/z76e.jpg

However, the socket on the 2010 headlights is on the side of the headlight housing. On the FL one, the socket is situated right in the middle of the headlight housing:

http://imageshack.us/a/img545/2126/rnw0.jpg

As a resoult, the stock 2010 harness is just not long enough. You either need a harness extension cable of some sort, or you can cut off the harness socket and solder in 4" of extension cable. For obvious reasons, I would rather NOT do it, unless I have no other choice.

I was able to source one of those harness extenders at the time I had my 2002 Audi A4 several years ago - it was needed when to swap halogen headlamps to HIDs:

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/9152/8h72.jpg

As you can see, it is a MALE to FEMALE extender. The sockets on 2002 A4 and Q5 are different though, so the one I have will not fit. Anyone knows where to source a similar extender for a Q5 HID headlights ?

[djsnowman777]

sweet but i like the older better :)

[Elberoth]

No way !

FL fronts and rears rule !

http://www.cartype.com/pics/9853/full/audi_q5_13_26.jpg

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9743/y6y8.jpg

I've been drooling over them since I have first seen them in person. Thay look spectacular. Not to mention they make your car look younger.

[spijun]

As you can see, it is a MALE to FEMALE extender. The sockets on 2002 A4 and Q5 are different though, so the one I have will not fit. Anyone knows where to source a similar extender for a Q5 HID headlights ?

Well done
Maybe you should try make yourself, I'm not sure there are that part (extender) for purchase
"FEMALE" CONNECTOR
http://www.partsvp.com/products/HOUSING-%28Audi-%252d-1J0%252d973%252d737%29.html
http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/products/Audi/A7/And-----matching-contact-housing---------------as-required-use-connecting-piece-flat-contact-housing-with-coupling-piece-headlamps-for-curve-headlamp-/5434910/1J0973737.html

[Elberoth]

I have made some progress today, will post all Audi part #s and more images.

The only thing I'm missing now is MALE connector Audi part # to fabricate the extension cable needed.

[spijun]

I have made some progress today, will post all Audi part #s and more images.

The only thing I'm missing now is MALE connector Audi part # to fabricate the extension cable needed.

I have the numbers of male and female connectors:
1J0-973-837
http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/products/Audi/A4/Sectional-wire-harness-mating-connector-headlamp-harness-for-transmission-harness-for-interior-harness-for-engine-compartment-harness-for-engine-harne/5635068/1J0973837.html
http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_V--2.0T/ES311360/

1J0-973-737
http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/products/Audi/A5-Coupe/And-----matching-contact-housing---------------as-required-use-connecting-piece-flat-contact-housing-with-coupling-piece-headlamps-for-curve-headlamp-/5434910/1J0973737.html
http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_V--2.5/ES8953/

[Elberoth]

Great, thank you !

I was to try that number myself, as A4 B6 headlights connectors that I have on hand are 1J0 973 735 (female) and 1J0 973 835 (male), so I was suspecting in case of Q5 number the 7 may need to be changed for 8 as well. And you prooved it is indeed the case.

OK, so here is the complete parts list to do the swap:

- headlight support plate left - 8R0 941 453 A
- headlight support plate right - 8R0 941 454 A
- headlight socket MALE - 1J0-973-837 - two pcs needed
- headlight socket FEMALE - 1J0-973-737 - two pcs needed
- headlight support bracket left - 8R0 941 355
- headlight support bracket right - 8R0 941 356
- headlight adjustment element - 4G8 806 305 - two pcs needed
- allen screw - WHT 000 372 - two pcs needed
- torx screw - N 107 511 01 - four pcs needed

Please note that only the support plates and sockets are mandatory for this swap - all other parts are were added by Audi to fix the 'headlight jitter' problem that was present on 2010 Q5s. Not sure if that is was a part of a FL, or those parts were already present on 2011 and 2012 cars. Someone with 2011/2012 car would have to verify that.

I have paid like $70 for all those parts. Should have them in 2 days time.

I will post images showing the headlight support bracket and how it is fitted on 2013 Q5 tomorrow.

[Elberoth]

Just got today 4 brand-spanking-new fronts and rears. $1400 total shipped. I still expect to get at least $800 back from selling my current pre FL rears and fronts on ebay.

Life is good :)

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9546/xoj5.jpg

[Elberoth]

OK, some more images.

Here is the original headlight socket - 1J0 973 737. I will need to DIY my own cable extension using another socket like that and its male counterpart 1J0 973 837. Luckily, all the cables are numbered, so that would make soldering much easier:

http://imageshack.us/a/img33/8903/jscs.jpg

Here is the headlight support bracket that is missing on my 2010 Q5:

http://imageshack.us/a/img826/4018/6iof.jpg

It is bolted to the car frame - I will probably have to drill 2 holes to attach it:

http://imageshack.us/a/img854/2194/g7jx.jpg

The headlight support bracket ataches to the rear fixing of the headlight support plate - making the headlight much more rigid, and hopefully - less prone to light beam jitter.

http://imageshack.us/a/img208/336/buo6.jpg

[A4TQS]

Nice job [up]

[Elberoth]

Just a quick update. I have found out that the new FL headlights should have a rubber hose fixed to them. They were not present on pre-FL headlights, and the FL headlights I bought came without those, so I need to order those as well.

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee407/junspi/ScreenShot140_zpsc4b49dbd.jpg

Left:8R0-941-717
Right:8R0-941-718

I belive those hoses were added to avoid vapor condensation inside the headlights.

http://imageshack.us/a/img197/2581/n2mj.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img546/2063/7de3.jpg

The hose connects to the back of the headlight:

http://imageshack.us/a/img51/3826/nk6q.jpg

Got those the next day and already thought I already have all the parts needed:

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/6248/ec2u.jpg

only to realise I will also need a full set of rubber grommets for my extension cable sockets, which are needed to seal off the cables entering the sockets (otherwise moisture could enter the sockets and create short).

Aggggh ! Beeing a pioneer is always hard ! I should have those by friday.

[Elberoth]

OK, got the remaining parts today. I was missing the grommets, that seal the cable against the harness socket housing. Each socket has 14 inlets *4 = 56 are needed.

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/7438/hdts.jpg

Since the headlight uses only 11 out of 14 available pins, you need to seal off the remaining 3 holes with a suitable cap (orange and green).

http://imageshack.us/a/img21/4818/dz54.jpg

Now need to put those harness extensions together. Some soldering ahead !

[Elberoth]

Put those harness extensions together today. It was soooo labour intensive - it took me almost 5h ! I did not think it would take so long, but there are so many wires, that need to be cut, tinned, soldered, insulated, installed etc + some unexpected problems. Anyway, here it is:

http://imageshack.us/a/img837/7413/30sz.jpg

And here are all the parts needed to do the front swap (minus the headlights and headlights support plates) - they don't look as scary anymore:

http://imageshack.us/a/img94/2421/o28r.jpg

I was to install the headlight tomorrow morning, but unfortunately, I have just learned that AUDI Poland has shipped to my dealer the wrong headlight support bracket. Instead of left and right, they sent me two lefts [headbang][headbang][headbang] - that is this black metal part on the bottom right.

I'm gonna order that missing part on monday, but that also means that the final install will be postponed by another week [:(]

Here is a full DIY guide on how to fabricate your own extensions.

The parts you will need:

- 1J0 973 737 (socket) - 2 pcs
- 1J0 973 837 (socket) - 2 pcs

- 000 979 225 E (fat wire with pin) - 5 pcs
- 000 979 226 E (fat wire with pin) - 5 pcs
- 000 979 131 E (thin wire with pin) - 6 pcs
- 000 979 132 E (thin wire with pin) - 6 pcs

- 357 972 740 D (thin grommet) - 24 pcs
- 1J0 972 741 A (fat grommet) - 20 pcs
- 3C0 972 841 (thin cap) - 8 pcs
- 357 972 841 (fat cap) - 4 pcs

plus soldering iron, heat gun and some heat shrink.

(Please not that the dealership ordered for me the wrong sockets. Instead of 1J0 973 837 they ordered me 5Q0 973 837 [headbang]. They are gray instead of black, and needed some trimming to make them work. Get the right sockets the first time, and that will save you 1 hour worth of work).

1. First of all, you need to cap the unused holes in the sockets. There are 14 holes - 6 big and 8 small - but only 11 are used. The remaining 3 need to be capped to prevent water from entering the socket. As you can see - there are two types of caps - thin and fat:

http://imageshack.us/a/img708/516/fdqf.jpg

2. Wires come with pins already installed on both ends. Unfortunately, they are same type on both ends (Male - Male and Female - Female) so you need to cut them in half and solder Male-Female pairs. I cut mine in 3 parts, as the extension doesn't need to be that long (the wire is about 24 inches long).

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/485/dmxn.jpg

All cables nicely cut:

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/896/ax0p.jpg

3. Now it is time to put the grommets on the cables:

http://imageshack.us/a/img841/7576/f3qm.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img14/2927/2y7q.jpg

4. Before soldering the pairs together, cut to size and put 3" long heat shrink tubing:

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/2967/4j5a.jpg

5. Solder the wires in pairs (there should be 22 pairs):

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/7546/4k0m.jpg

6. Put the heat shrink tubing on and use heat gun to shrink it:

http://imageshack.us/a/img21/2538/jeyq.jpg

7. Now you can insert all pins into the sockets. Move the grommets to the very end of the cable, so that they will fit flush into the socket:

http://imageshack.us/a/img138/2883/0ybu.jpg

Each pin has its number on the socket, so running cables is as easy as connecting 1 with 1, 2 with 2 etc.

8. Some hours later, and you should have a nice harness extensions [:D]

http://imageshack.us/a/img837/7413/30sz.jpg

[Nison_Li]

wish the A4 is that easy

[Elberoth]

I belive A4 is like the A5 - you need to replace bonnet and front bumper. It may be my next project.

[Elberoth]

I have swapped both headlights today. With all the missing parts bought and new harness extensions already prepared, it was a breeze. Took me only 2h to do both fronts.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4172/ml96.jpg

Rignt now, the high and low beams work, turn signals work, DRLs work, BUT do not dim. When you switch the low beams or turn signal on, the DRLs instead of dimming - just switch off.

I was told that it is normal and they need new coding. Tomorrow I'm paying a visit to some local coding guru, so keep your fingers crossed. I'm gonna do the rears tomorrw as well.

[Nison_Li]

should be an easy fix, pre facelift was set at 9% when it's dim, if i remember right the fl is set to around 36%

[Elberoth]

I belive it is 28%.

I just got the programming done. Everything works as if the car came with those fronts and rears from the factory. Even the cool dim to full lit fade feature works.

I also got the Bluetooth and cruise control installed. Next will be the multifunction steering wheel (already got the right module installed with the cruise control) - need to buy one now.

I will post some finał images when I get back home and wash the car.

[Elberoth]

BTW - great news for those afraid of making their own harness extensions: Kufatec just started offering a suitable adapter.

I've been in contact with Kufatec for the past 3 weeks, but unfortunately the adapter was not ready when I needed it. Not only it is ready made, but it also costs only half as much as parts bought from Audi stealership needed to homebrew one !

http://www.kufatec.de/shop/en/audi/q5/q5-8r/xenon-adapter-retrofit-audi-q5-facelift-headlights

I'm gonna order one now for a friend, as he also wants to do the conversion on his 2012 Q5 (he literally bought the car a week before Audi started shipping the FL model - talk about bad timing).

[Elberoth]

OK, here are some final pictures. I have to say, the car looks spectacular in person now. Those images just do not do it justice !

Headlights:
http://imageshack.us/a/img708/4362/n1a8.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/9436/hhwx.jpg

and tails:

http://imageshack.us/a/img706/4157/k3km.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img819/6471/broh.jpg

The above image does not give the correct impression of the real color. On that image it looks as if red was more of an orange.

In real life, red is very dark, more like this:

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5586/a5uf.jpg

[audispeed]

BTW - great news for those afraid of making their own harness extensions: Kufatec just started offering a suitable adapter.

I've been in contact with Kufatec for the past 3 weeks, but unfortunately the adapter was not ready when I needed it. Not only it is ready made, but it also costs only half as much as parts bought from Audi stealership needed to homebrew one !

http://www.kufatec.de/shop/en/audi/q5/q5-8r/xenon-adapter-retrofit-audi-q5-facelift-headlights

I'm gonna order one now for a friend, as he also wants to do the conversion on his 2012 Q5 (he literally bought the car a week before Audi started shipping the FL model - talk about bad timing).

Good job with the conversion. I used their adapters for my Q7 and was very happy.

[snowbird]

any conversion required for the rears? Or is it plug-and-play?

[Elberoth]

any conversion required for the rears? Or is it plug-and-play?

Only the Kufatec adapters, as the plugs are different. No coding necessary. 10 min job if you have the adapters.

[[email protected]]

any conversion required for the rears? Or is it plug-and-play?

Pre-facelift Q5 fitting the newest taillights is plug and play and requires no harness with the kit available. A nice touch too is the North American pre-facelift Q5's have the proper turn signal operation as well to use the European taillights with the orange blinking turn signal.

Have a set in stock that will be on sale shortly...

[FuchsB]

nice job [up] looks good

[RemusUSA]

Looking good man! Nice job!

[wrclaguna]

swietnie opisane [up]

Czy przy zmianie przednich lamp kodowałes cos w MCE 09 ?

[Elberoth]

swietnie opisane [up]

Czy przy zmianie przednich lamp kodowałes cos w MCE 09 ?

Tak, bo inaczej DRLe nie działają. Podobno trzeba przestawić tylko jedną wartość w sterowniku, aczkolwiek wtedy jeszcze o tym nie wiedziałem i zleciłem wszystko Piotrowi Bieli z Navitechnik.

[vikislap]

I will do that with my 2011 halogen headlight just waiting for wires from germany which give me extension of wires and I checked them on my a4 and led works and low/hi beam works too. Rear tail I have already done . Have also front bumper cover its same but hood seems to be diferent...

[Elberoth]

The grill and hood are different on pre and post FL models.

[vikislap]

The grill and hood are different on pre and post FL models.
Yep I know have bumper with grill ..;) thinking what to do with hood ...hood have some profile for grill but will see

[vikislap]

A ten problem z wylonczonym drl przi uziciu switel to tez tylko w sterowniku 09 zmienilesz? Sorry za muj polsky ja jestem czechem tylko zona je z polsky ;)

[Elberoth]

A ten problem z wylonczonym drl przi uziciu switel to tez tylko w sterowniku 09 zmienilesz? Sorry za muj polsky ja jestem czechem tylko zona je z polsky ;)

As I said - I have paid someone to do that for me. I have seen manuals on the net that suggest that it is a simple change if you have the VCDS.

[vikislap]

Aah ok I have my owne vcds so I will take my time to see what the 09 module will offer to me ... As I turned on tail light as drl too.. And how about you ? You will not trying to retrofit bumper?

[Elberoth]

Not really. My understanding is, that you need to change the hood as well, which is sth I would like to avoid. Plus, it doesn't really bother me that much, and you need to be a true Audi specialist to tell the difference.

I'm changing the front bumper and the hood on my S5 (I'm doing the conversion right now), but there it is a necessity as the headlights have different shape.

[vikislap]

You right the look for s5 or is better but my q5 was so cheap so thought to make it look younger .... But you right the hood is quit expensive

[vikislap]

[QUOTE=vikislap;9690808]You right the look for s5 or is better but my q5 was so cheap so thought to make it look younger .... But you right the hood is quiet expensive so maybe will just put the headlights like you did/QUOTE]

[vikislap]

Hi could you please provide the coding for your 09 module? I can't get works drl with low beam please just would like to make sure that the problem is because it was with halogen

[ABOMB]

Does anyone know of any other manufacturer for the harness on the rear tails? I have a 2012 and thought these were plug and plug, but when I went to install today the facelift taillight has a female connection and the ones with my car have a male connector. Any input?

[spijun]

Does anyone know of any other manufacturer for the harness on the rear tails? I have a 2012 and thought these were plug and plug, but when I went to install today the facelift taillight has a female connection and the ones with my car have a male connector. Any input?

Maybe this will help:
http://www.kufatec.de/shop/en/Audi/Q5-8R/Adapter-facelift-LED-rear-lights-Audi-Q5
http://www.car4style.de/Kabelbaum/Audi/Q5-Facelift-LED-Rueckleuchten-Adapter::1554.html?XTCsid=f9a79f2cd21710dd13e80c7c de7f61f6
http://www.need4street.de/index.php/language/en/products_id/27577/keywords/adapter%20facelift%20led%20rueckleuchten%20audi%20 q5%20/cat/1657

[ABOMB]

thanks, I will prob just order from Kufatec. I was just hoping for something stateside. I have a 2012 so I'm assuming I am needing to purchase the LED > to LED facelift version of the adapter?

[Elberoth]

thanks, I will prob just order from Kufatec. I was just hoping for something stateside. I have a 2012 so I'm assuming I am needing to purchase the LED > to LED facelift version of the adapter?

Yes.

[blasterman]

I have made my own harnesses for the conversion. If you like I can send/post the part numbers needed for the harnesses and the connectors required.

This is what they look like.
http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae239/blasterman78/Taillight/IMG_1195_zps08215183.jpg

[alvinfromhawaii]

Hi Blasterman, I would like the part numbers to build my own. The one from Kufatec are only for UK cars so the adapters don't fit US cars. Also can you provide a wiring diagram.

Thanks.
Alvin

[jdip]

Are there any pre made adapters available for both headlight and twilight conversion? I am planning on starting to slowly purchase parts to do the conversion this summer. I am in NC. I am assuming the best place to obtain all the parts necessary (except the adapters) such as the headlight brackets and tubes will be the dreaded dealer?
Also if I can use the kufatech adapter on a US model do you still need an extension or will it reach properly?

[Elberoth]

I believe Kufatec makes the headlights extensions to order.

[ABOMB]

I have made my own harnesses for the conversion. If you like I can send/post the part numbers needed for the harnesses and the connectors required.

This is what they look like.
http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae239/blasterman78/Taillight/IMG_1195_zps08215183.jpg


Yes I would appreciate the parts and wiring diagram. I am a n00b when it comes to wiring, but this seems like a simple project. I am glad I didnt get the Kufatec part. I didnt know if wasnt compatible with the US version.

[jdip]

Awesome. alvinfromhawaii stated kufatech adapters aren't made for US models and the website does state "not for left hand traffic". I was concerned about this being a major road block in the project. I am sure I'll have a heck of a time keeping parts in reasonable costs utilizing the dealership.

[spijun]

Hi Blasterman, I would like the part numbers to build my own. The one from Kufatec are only for UK cars so the adapters don't fit US cars. Also can you provide a wiring diagram.

Thanks.
Alvin

Only for UK cars ??????[confused] Where did you read this

From Kufatec

Note
Not suitable for left-hand traffic

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Countries_driving_on_the_left_or_right.svg/800px-Countries_driving_on_the_left_or_right.svg.png

Explanation: Blue - Drives on left

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-_and_left-hand_traffic

[blasterman]

Here is the list of parts required.

(2) New housing: 8K0973754A
(4) Repair wire: 000979164E

(2) Old Housing:1J0972734
(4) Repair Wire: 000 979 134

I'm trying to find the pin out diagram that I created, just can't find the file.

If anyone is interested in a set. PM me (great price)

[jdip]

Yes! Visuals are the way I learn best.
Thanks spijun. For some reason I guess that sentence just didnt click for me.

[alvinfromhawaii]

Awesome! I take it you have to solder the two set of wires together.


Here is the list of parts required.

(2) New housing: 8K0973754A
(4) Repair wire: 000979164E

(2) Old Housing:1J0972734
(4) Repair Wire: 000 979 134

I'm trying to find the pin out diagram that I created, just can't find the file.

If anyone is interested in a set. PM me (great price)

[ABOMB]

Blasterman, please clear out your pm's.[:)]

[blasterman]

Abomb, I cleared out my pm's. Sorry about that.

Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk

[blasterman]

alvinfromhawaii,

You would have to solder the repair wires to create the harness. I made the harness wires from scratch using one wire with the required connectors.

FYI, I can also supply the repair wires at a cheaper cost than the OEM ones. I make them using OEM connectors.

[jdip]

Blasterman are those for heads or tails?

[blasterman]

The harnesses are for tails. If interested I can make the headlight harnesses too.

[jdip]

Forgive me for the ignorance. Its only been a week. Once I complete the conversion In order to program these using vag com do you need the computer program or will one of the handheld ones work? How would I go about getting the proper flash codes? I'm trying to figure if I am going to invest in a vag-com or try and start looking for friends in the regional forum .

[blasterman]

jdip,

There is no need to make changes in vag-com if you are changing the tails. Unless, you want the turn signal to work in sync with the brake light like the facelift models, this feature would require the use of vag-com. Getting a vag-com for diagnostics or to make modifications to the car's system is IMHO a great tool to have.

[jdip]

And my understanding is if I want to reset my oil light a scanner will work. All other mods such as when I accomplish this head and tail light project will require the computer software? Is there many manufacturers of software or pretty much just Ross tech? I'm trying to find some peeps in my area on the regional forum. And very sorry to take is off topic

[alvinfromhawaii]

Hey blasterman

How much do you sell these parts for?

(2) Old Housing:1J0972734
(4) Repair Wire: 000 979 134

I have the other set already. Also do you have the wiring diagram?

Thanks,
Alvin


alvinfromhawaii,

You would have to solder the repair wires to create the harness. I made the harness wires from scratch using one wire with the required connectors.

FYI, I can also supply the repair wires at a cheaper cost than the OEM ones. I make them using OEM connectors.

[blasterman]

alvinfromhawaii,

PM sent

[blasterman]

Sorry for the delay, as promised here is the pinout.

Old Connector
1 2 3 4
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
1 3 2 4
New Connector

[ABOMB]

Just got my rear adapter cables from blasterman. He was super good to work with. Kept up good communication and I received my part the next week.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tenJ79-Novo/U5o7kEfWHdI/AAAAAAAAAE8/dIcc8xLyvyc/w763-h572-no/IMG_2415.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-JE5TmxYnzjI/U5o7htm0UNI/AAAAAAAAAE0/jkYoNaLbKNI/w763-h572-no/IMG_2417.JPG

[ABOMB]

Here is a quick shot of the new tails on the car. Easy job with the adapter cables.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RpfVsKohiUk/U5o99t0f4tI/AAAAAAAAAFs/rsHp9TOxh2M/w763-h572-no/IMG_2426.JPG

[jdip]

Finally ready to start purchasing the parts.
Is it possible to get all the needed parts for the headlight swap listed w/ numbers in one post to make it nice and easy for anyone down the line? I'm also in search of the codes for vag com for both the headlight swap and the tailights to have them perform as the fl models do.
I don't plan on making my own harness so that won't be an obstacle.
Thanks in advance!

[[email protected]]

Complete kits with everything needed are available:

https://scontent-b-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/10295521_696172453763829_1808164675744755675_o.jpg

Headlight kits include all needed items and require only minimal coding for xenon models. Upgrading from halogen is also available as well, but does require a bit more work.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31.0-8/964560_525265570854519_800811659_o.jpg

The taillights available for the pre-facelift models do not require harnesses and are prepared here to be fully plug and play.

If anyone is interested please don't hesitate to shoot over a PM or email: [email protected]

Cheers,

[waair]

And hello to the new ones. Big thanks to Javier aka Blasterman for providing the necessary custom made harnesses.


http://s12.postimg.org/sxnv33h4c/DSCN0050.jpg

http://s27.postimg.org/v6unk42oy/DSCN0049.jpg

[ABOMB]

We need a like or a thanks button!

[jdip]

Has anyone been able to officially get the correct coding for the facelift headlights to work. Checked a few Q5 forums and there seems to be some issues with the bulb out warning lights and such. Has anyone got the correct vcds coding for the headlights to be 100% functional?



Was also hoping to get a "definite" parts list for the upgrade. I want to be able to walk into my Indy shop who can get me a deal hopefully on all the parts and give them a list to order all the small parts and brackets for the headlight upgrade. I'll provide the headlights and they can install and code for me I hope. But I need to find the right coding for the headlights to work.

Thanks everyone!

[Elberoth]

Was also hoping to get a "definite" parts list for the upgrade. I want to be able to walk into my Indy shop who can get me a deal hopefully on all the parts and give them a list to order all the small parts and brackets for the headlight upgrade. I'll provide the headlights and they can install and code for me I hope. But I need to find the right coding for the headlights to work.

Thanks everyone!

All the parts #s are mentioned in this thread.

[jdip]

Ok just wanted to confirm that. I guess it seems like there are less pieces then I expected (albeit the stuff to make the wiring harness)

Where can I get my hands on the proper coding?

Thanks again!

[jdip]

Also forgot to ask what out of my old headlight needs to be transferred into my new headlights if I get headlights in good shape off eBay that don't come with bulbs or ballasts?

Again I appreciate the answers. Feels like stupid questions

[dswift368]

Does anyone know the coding for the headlights?? to correct the DRL error situation with the upgrading process??

[Nison_Li]

i have a set of US version with harness for sale
http://www.audizine.com/forum/classifieds.php?listing=q5-facelift-tail-lights-with-plug-and-play-harness-for-09-12-retrofit-212283

[MPmoney]

Anyone done this in the states? I completed all the install for the project, looks great. Except the DRL turn off when the headlamps come on.
I went to a local Boston garage in Waltham, MA -- he seems to think I need a new coding control module for the lamps to work properly.
Currently-- DRL come on daytime, at night (or when I switch on the headlamps) the DRLs turn off.

Suggestions?

[tmoe]

Anyone done this in the states? I completed all the install for the project, looks great. Except the DRL turn off when the headlamps come on.
I went to a local Boston garage in Waltham, MA -- he seems to think I need a new coding control module for the lamps to work properly.
Currently-- DRL come on daytime, at night (or when I switch on the headlamps) the DRLs turn off.

Suggestions?

I don't remember the setting but there's a dimming setting for when headlights are on, if its set too low the DRL's will turn off. At least that's the case with '13 and on.

[MPmoney]

I don't remember the setting but there's a dimming setting for when headlights are on, if its set too low the DRL's will turn off. At least that's the case with '13 and on.

OK, but you didn't change any additional coding or control modules, right? Just the headlamps, correct?

[rizams84]

Wow man. That is just awesome. I know this thread is a couple of years old but I just bought a base 2009 Q5. I really really want to upgrade these lights to the facelift version but have no idea where to find them. Can you point me in the right direction?

I have done some looking into and found individual parts and pieces, but really afraid to order the wrong stuff. Some expert advice would be really helpful.

[[email protected]]

Wow man. That is just awesome. I know this thread is a couple of years old but I just bought a base 2009 Q5. I really really want to upgrade these lights to the facelift version but have no idea where to find them. Can you point me in the right direction?

I have done some looking into and found individual parts and pieces, but really afraid to order the wrong stuff. Some expert advice would be really helpful.

Have no fear, complete packages are here:

Headlights | Q5 Post-Facelift Bi-Xenon Retrofit Package (http://europrice.us/headlights-q5-post-facelift-bi-xenon-retrofit-package)

All you need to do is select which headlights you have now (this ensures you receive the parts you need for the conversion) and that you are LHD (Left Hand Drive). Packages come with installation instructions and all of the parts needed for a complete installation.

If you have any questions or other needs don't hesitate to PM or email: [email protected]

Cheers,

[yakev724]

Also forgot to ask what out of my old headlight needs to be transferred into my new headlights if I get headlights in good shape off eBay that don't come with bulbs or ballasts?

Again I appreciate the answers. Feels like stupid questions

+1

Just bought a pair of FL housings and figuring out what else I need to source besides the brackets and hardware outlined in this thread.

So far I think the ballasts will swap over (8K0941597 pre-FL, 8K0941597B FL), they're the same D3S 35W ballasts used on a bunch of VAG cars.

The LED control modules are different:

8R0907472 (A/B) (pre-FL) --> 4G0907697 F

and new LED lights themselves:

8R0941475A/B + 8R0941476A/B

[yakev724]

I'm in the process of completing the swap and have some questions about the install. Hopefully this will help anyone else doing the swap in the future.

First, on the driver's side, the bracket mounted perfectly using the existing holes and bolts which hold the power steering reservoir in place:

http://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.audiworld.com-vbulletin/1440x1080/80-buk5mh1_b364115e8b9c3ba5a97c84b467116f9c290eb8eb.j pg

On the other side, however, I need to drill holes in the fender support. This is where I'm a bit confused. The hole on the driver's side had threads for the bolt to screw into and if I drill on the pass side, I think I'd need nuts on the other side to hold them securely. Also - there's an airbox support there (pass side) which the bracket would get in the way of. How should I get around this?
The OP calls for ordering 4x N10751101 - I presume these are to mount the two brackets to the fender supports? Why not reuse the PS bracket bolts on the driver's side? Or are these bolts for something else in the install?

(where I'd need to drill the holes)

http://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.audiworld.com-vbulletin/1440x1080/80-3g6x0nq_cd238f57759ab7716f122b410496474b2713df52.j pg

(the airbox support which would get in the way)

http://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.audiworld.com-vbulletin/1440x1080/80-jntuq8c_c59702d895b7ce3033b03e2e4d2e219e6d1c19ba.j pg



Next, I'm using kufatec harness extensions. The only way I've found to route the driver's side extension is in such a way that the factory harness wires are right against the support bracket, which is a bit concerning as I'm worried they'll get damaged over time. Here's a top-down shot:

http://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.audiworld.com-vbulletin/1440x1080/80-50zzgpn_75588ae2d8848a0c85b59941ed25edd780154233.j pg



Final minor question - how are the rubber hoses supposed to be routed? I just kind of let them hang down but feel like they should be routed/secured somehow so they're not just free to move around in the engine bay.


Hoping to stop by a dealership to check out the engine bay of a new 2.0T to hopefully get some answers! In the meantime if anyone can chime in, that would be much appreciated.

[yakev724]

Stopped by my local dealer today to check out the engine bay of a newer Q. Looks like the driver side bracket bolts in to the same holes as the PS pump, and the pass side has a couple holes in the exact same spot, just in front of the airbox support. Will be getting a set of drill bits and updating with correct size. Not sure if I can get a nut on the other side of the support to really secure the bracket in place...

http://i.imgur.com/w5esbyo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Ge2oDfU.jpg

[djsnowman777]

any update on this ?

[yakev724]

(Re-)installed mine last weekend, all good now.

For the pass. side bracket, I ended up drilling holes in the support. I made a paper template to measure the location of the driver side holes then flipped it and used it on the pass side. Didn't work great but the bracket is evenly spaced around the airbox support bracket (see my photos above) so that should be a good reference. Drilled some pilot holes and progressively increased the bit size until the screws fit snugly.

(photo of the pilot holes)

http://i.imgur.com/HzpK3f7.jpg


For the harness wires, I bought some Tesa felt tape (oem stuff used on wiring) and wound it tightly around any exposed wires for protection. Feel much better about it now.

http://i.imgur.com/tI7vbYN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rVUPiVc.jpg



Finally, one issue I came across was in purchasing the DRL LED modules. The pass. side module I purchased was broken - one of the LEDs was blue! Upon closer inspection, the top LED itself had the yellow transparent piece missing, allowing the (inherently) blue light to shine through. If purchasing used modules for this retrofit, be sure to inspect the LEDs and make sure both appear yellow.

http://i.imgur.com/QpAAhF6.jpg



Final result - (out of focus, sorry)

http://i.imgur.com/4ZdJwG1.jpg

[hass]

Do anyone know if this headlight valeo 44867 and 44868 will work on my audi q5 2010 or what the right partnr should be?

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[djsnowman777]

so the ballast from a 2011 will be interchangeable on the fl headlights? i just need to buy the led modules?

[yakev724]

so the ballast from a 2011 will be interchangeable on the fl headlights? i just need to buy the led modules?

Should work. Both are just D3S modules and have the same mounting points.

You need LED control modules + LED modules (lights) for the FL lights.

[djsnowman777]

i started ordering some parts towards the swap. which cable option to i order from kufatec? i have a 2011 q5

[yakev724]

i started ordering some parts towards the swap. which cable option to i order from kufatec? i have a 2011 q5

depends on whether you have non-AFS or AFS lights. AFS turn with the steering wheel, have an extra bulb next to the projector. I think it was only available on prestige 2011, but not sure.

I've got a pair of housings (non-AFS) in mint condition if you're interested. Local so wouldn't have to ship.

[djsnowman777]

facelift headlights ? where is local ? im in queens ny.

[yakev724]

yeah, housings only though.

jersey city. pm if interested.

[touteck78]

Hi to all,

Please could someone confirm if we can use the ballasts of the pre FL headlights on the FL headlights ?

I'm going to buy the following headlights: Valeo 0044867 & 0044868 does anyone know if they are ok ? I mean the right ones.

[drumnjuny]

Hmmm necro bump... wondering if anyone knows what the PRE-facelift (2009-2012) european Q5 bixenon headlight part numbers? Need to find AFS and Non-AFS part numbers, having a real bitch of a time. even the manufacturer would help lol!

[spijun]

Hmmm necro bump... wondering if anyone knows what the PRE-facelift (2009-2012) european Q5 bixenon headlight part numbers? Need to find AFS and Non-AFS part numbers, having a real bitch of a time. even the manufacturer would help lol!

Non AFS:

http://s33.postimg.org/v8hjlvga7/Screen_Shot1633.jpg
http://s33.postimg.org/ogr4j0ran/Screen_Shot1634.jpg

AFS:

http://s33.postimg.org/frn12a9f3/Screen_Shot1635.jpg
http://s33.postimg.org/kc1ebut67/Screen_Shot1637.jpg

[drumnjuny]

Non AFS:

http://s33.postimg.org/v8hjlvga7/Screen_Shot1633.jpg
http://s33.postimg.org/ogr4j0ran/Screen_Shot1634.jpg

AFS:

http://s33.postimg.org/frn12a9f3/Screen_Shot1635.jpg
http://s33.postimg.org/kc1ebut67/Screen_Shot1637.jpg

Thanks a ton!!

Edit: shoot. Those are actually for RHD cars [emoji24] "left hand traffic". Is it asking too much to have you look up Right hand traffic (LHD) models??

TIA

[spijun]

Thanks a ton!!

Edit: shoot. Those are actually for RHD cars [emoji24] "left hand traffic". Is it asking too much to have you look up Right hand traffic (LHD) models??

TIA

Opsss my mistake

Non AFS:
http://s33.postimg.org/qbvu7epn3/Screen_Shot1638.jpg
http://s33.postimg.org/42hx0uu6n/Screen_Shot1639.jpg

AFS:
http://s33.postimg.org/mw3pxusen/Screen_Shot1640.jpg
http://s33.postimg.org/shq51wt3j/Screen_Shot1641.jpg

[drumnjuny]

Opsss my mistake

Non AFS:
http://s33.postimg.org/qbvu7epn3/Screen_Shot1638.jpg
http://s33.postimg.org/42hx0uu6n/Screen_Shot1639.jpg

AFS:
http://s33.postimg.org/mw3pxusen/Screen_Shot1640.jpg
http://s33.postimg.org/shq51wt3j/Screen_Shot1641.jpg

[emoji7] you're the best. Sending you a PM!

[pierce81]

Hi guys, new to this forum, fantastic topic. I have a Q5, 2009 and I need your help.

I have standard rear tail lights. There are LED's and facelift LED's that I can replace it with.

If I choose to go from standard to facelift LED's there is a Kufatec adapter for that but what if
I want to go from standard to ''old'' LED's (to keep the ''original configuration''), I haven't found
an adapter for that (only standard to facelift LED's or ''old'' LED's to facelift LED's).

And for example if I buy this old LED's (http://www.ebay.com/itm/182205048604?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
which only have four cables and no plug is it possible to connect them to existing wiring?

[Elberoth]

Hi guys, new to this forum, fantastic topic. I have a Q5, 2009 and I need your help.

I have standard rear tail lights. There are LED's and facelift LED's that I can replace it with.

If I choose to go from standard to facelift LED's there is a Kufatec adapter for that but what if
I want to go from standard to ''old'' LED's (to keep the ''original configuration''), I haven't found
an adapter for that (only standard to facelift LED's or ''old'' LED's to facelift LED's).

And for example if I buy this old LED's (http://www.ebay.com/itm/182205048604?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
which only have four cables and no plug is it possible to connect them to existing wiring?

I would go with the new ones, even if you would have to keep the fronts for a while. Apart from Audi enthusiasts, nobody will be able to tell a difference.

Both pre and post lift rears have the same 4 wires. The only difference is the plug. So you can get the Kutatec set, cut off the plug, and put on the right one.

There are diagrams on the net, showing which wire goes where.

[ThunderDent]

If anyone is looking to upgrade to FL headlamps US Spec, happy to sell mine. They come packed in Valeo boxes.
PM if interested.

[pierce81]

Thanks, I have decided to buy facelift LED's and kufatec adapter,
so it should just be plug and play, right?

What about programming (DRL etc), any coding needed? I have an EU car
and will buy EU rear led's (from UK)...

[TITAN_Q5]

Thanks, I have decided to buy facelift LED's and kufatec adapter,
so it should just be plug and play, right?

What about programming (DRL etc), any coding needed? I have an EU car
and will buy EU rear led's (from UK)...

Keep me posted on how these go bro ... don't forget to take before and after pics ... [emoji106]


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[pierce81]

I would go with the new ones, even if you would have to keep the fronts for a while. Apart from Audi enthusiasts, nobody will be able to tell a difference.

Both pre and post lift rears have the same 4 wires. The only difference is the plug. So you can get the Kutatec set, cut off the plug, and put on the right one.

There are diagrams on the net, showing which wire goes where.

Thanks Elberoth, I have decided to go to old LED's. I can't find diagrams, could you help me?

[Muhtish]

Great write up!

But for some odd reason, I thought you are going from 2013 headlights to 2010. Thought it was strange, but was not going to question as to why you decided to do so, as to each their own. Only after I saw the pictures of your finished and installed product, I've realized that I was going on about all of this backwards.

[pierce81]

OK, I have successfully upgraded mine 2009 q5 rear halogen lights with
original prefacelift (old) led lights. There is no need for the adapter since
the pins and wiring is the same I just had to cut some of the black plastic housing
arround of the led lights connector so that I could plug the pins to the cars halogen
connector. The lights (drl, brake turn signals) work as they should. They look great.

The only problem is that the board computers now shows error for both left and right light.

I wasnt expecting this since I thought it is just plug and play.

I have contacted the local audi dealer and was told that they can do nothing about it,
that there is no option to program or clear the error.

Is that true?

[sandman00]

facelift headlights ? where is local ? im in queens ny.

Did u find the head lights


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[Jessekin]

Hey guys, stupid question...

I have a 2012 loaded Q5, and I can't find instructions on how to replace the facelift rear lights. Can anyone help me out here?

Also, just to verify, eBay has tail light and adapter kits for about $500. Will I need anything else other than the tail lights themselves, and the adapters?

Also, as a bonus question, can anyone, if possible, tell me what list of parts I would need for my 2012 Q5 for the facelift headlights? (Mine are AFS) I ask this because someone mentioned that the 2012 Q5 may not need an adapter of some sort? Also, I'm totally willing to revive this thread. Good stuff here!

P.S. I'm a US driver, on the left hand side of my car. :)

Thanks!

[agautohaus]

Hey guys, stupid question...

I have a 2012 loaded Q5, and I can't find instructions on how to replace the facelift rear lights. Can anyone help me out here?

Also, just to verify, eBay has tail light and adapter kits for about $500. Will I need anything else other than the tail lights themselves, and the adapters?

Also, as a bonus question, can anyone, if possible, tell me what list of parts I would need for my 2012 Q5 for the facelift headlights? (Mine are AFS) I ask this because someone mentioned that the 2012 Q5 may not need an adapter of some sort? Also, I'm totally willing to revive this thread. Good stuff here!

P.S. I'm a US driver, on the left hand side of my car. :)

Thanks!


If you go to the first post of this thread you'll see all the info you need with part numbers. And images... 2012 will be the same as the 2010 most likely. Based on the info in this thread you just need an extension for the harness [emoji1474]

LMK if I can source you a set of ecodes!! Running awesome holiday specials

[blasterman]

The rears are pretty straight forward to replace. Pop off the two covers that cover the bolts on each side and replace with the new lights. One word of caution with the eBay lights, make sure that the harnesses are for a US spec Q5. The housing is different as well as the pin out. If you can't find the correct harnesses shoot me a pm. I have been making those harnesses for several people on the forum. I also make the headlight and the license plate led conversion harnesses.

[Jessekin]

So I just bought these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/112215426048

And plan on buying these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/141963635348

With these parts, I should just be plug and play, and be set, yeah?

Is there a way someone could help code them so that they are EXACTLY like the facelift 2013+ lights? Read that they do not signal the same, and that (this may be false) the turn signals are red instead of orange without coding?

Agautohous, I think you were talking about headlights with your ecoding promo, but it would be cool if you could help with this, too.

Thanks guys.

[blasterman]

Unfortunately, that harness will not work on your car. The harness uses a 4 pin connector to connect to your car, US spec Q5's use an 8 pon connector. The pon out will also be different since this looks like an ROW retrofit harness. Send me a pm and i can point you in the right direction.

[agautohaus]

So I just bought these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/112215426048

And plan on buying these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/141963635348

With these parts, I should just be plug and play, and be set, yeah?

Is there a way someone could help code them so that they are EXACTLY like the facelift 2013+ lights? Read that they do not signal the same, and that (this may be false) the turn signals are red instead of orange without coding?

Agautohous, I think you were talking about headlights with your ecoding promo, but it would be cool if you could help with this, too.

Thanks guys.

Would help if I could!! I don't want to steer you the wrong way as I don't have much experience with the upgrade. Looks like some other people on here might though. Try to PM the OP

[Jessekin]

Does anyone have instructions on how to replace the headlights? Do I have to remove the bumper? (US LH)

[agautohaus]

Does anyone have instructions on how to replace the headlights? Do I have to remove the bumper? (US LH)

Yes. I made a DIY for ecode installs in the Q5 section but I'm on by phone so I can't find it. I made it with my personal account drumnjuny

[Jessekin]

If possible, can someone tell me specifically (for the US models) what will swap over between the headlights? Do I need to only get the LED DRL modules that have those massive heatsinks on them? I can't seem to get a straightforward answer, only guesses.

I have all parts needed on my list except the Headlight extension adapters, and the actual headlights. But If I need to buy all the ballasts and modules, I may just buy a set that have them already built in on ebay.

P.S. I have AFS equipped, so finding the right headlights is kind of a pain when you don't want to spend $1500-$2500 for everything.

Thanks in advanced!

[agautohaus]

If possible, can someone tell me specifically (for the US models) what will swap over between the headlights? Do I need to only get the LED DRL modules that have those massive heatsinks on them? I can't seem to get a straightforward answer, only guesses.

I have all parts needed on my list except the Headlight extension adapters, and the actual headlights. But If I need to buy all the ballasts and modules, I may just buy a set that have them already built in on ebay.

P.S. I have AFS equipped, so finding the right headlights is kind of a pain when you don't want to spend $1500-$2500 for everything.

Thanks in advanced!

Check the DIY it's very thorough. But from what I remember there's two modules and the main bulb? If it doesn't come with a DRL module then 3 modules.

[Jessekin]

Ordered lights with all the electronics. ($430 per light on eBay!) Just waiting for misc parts. Can anyone maybe help me with instructions on the swap? I know someone was saying they did, but didn't get them out yet. Haha

Also, I plan on coding all the lights, but if I don't for a bit, will I get any errors? I'm hoping it will all work nicely with what I currently have. From what I read, out looks like I'll be good.

Anyone done the swap with AFS yet?

Thanks everyone!

[Jessekin]

Reporting another easy swapped Tail Lights! Thank you Blasterman for getting me the adapters. Now to just find a complete drivers side Headlight with AFS. Then I can swap the head lights.

Before (left) and after (right).

http://i.imgur.com/6iFzuM1.jpg

At night with the new tail lights

http://i.imgur.com/j1ZjLYP.jpg


Side note, does anyone know if I can increase the brightness of the lights via vag or vcds? It doesn't look like they are as bright as the should be in person. (The bottom photo is really dramatic, it doesn't look that bright.)

Also, if there is any way to have the "running lights" (the big ring around the edge) on while my DRL are on during the day?

Thanks everyone!

[Jessekin]

So I got the AFS cables from Kufatec... And I'm not sure what to do with them. The have exposed cables branching off of them. Anyone have any knowledge of the swap for Q5's with AFS? I bought AFS headlights, and I feel that I shouldn't of, after getting more info from the description from KUFATEC's website.

http://i.imgur.com/3tSwP8x.jpg

[agautohaus]

So I got the AFS cables from Kufatec... And I'm not sure what to do with them. The have exposed cables branching off of them. Anyone have any knowledge of the swap for Q5's with AFS? I bought AFS headlights, and I feel that I shouldn't of, after getting more info from the description from KUFATEC's website.

http://i.imgur.com/3tSwP8x.jpg

Yikes, yeah not sure what those are for. PM Spijun, he knows all about this stuff.

[VRvento]

FYI: my US model year 2012 has the right side (passenger) holes in the engine bay for the FL support bracket, saved some headache there

[VRvento]

got my 2012 facelifted w/ ecodes a couple days ago, also figured with the bumper off to add a RS mesh grille and paint the crash beam black.
Thanks to this thread and thanks to blasterman for the harness extension!

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/562/16128013_10154265431642066_1198082911_n.jpg
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/562/medium/16196263_10154265255922066_951342702_o.jpg

[Elberoth]

Looking great !

[agautohaus]

nicely done!!

[PPCorrado]

Hi Blasterman. Do you still making the Q5 facelift taillights harness (Mine is a 2012 Q5)? If yes, please PM me how much!

[rockingtherace]

Hi Guys,

For coding the retro fit. Please buy obd eleven, it is one click. Rest of the stuff is in this blog. finiished my today and now waiting my device, it is in shipping.....

1) You need Kuftec non-afs adapter for this retro fit. no need for AFS ones.

let me know if you need any help.

[white_q5]

Hi Blasterman. Do you still making the Q5 facelift taillights harness (Mine is a 2012 Q5)? If yes, please PM me how much!

just ordered mine. speedy response. cant wait to get them!

[gorgoo]

Hello. I did the same thing to my 2011 q5...but i tried to code my headlights and the mechanic told me i need a new control module.. Can you please tell me exacly how you made them work....what coding you did ....
Thanks very much

[gorgoo]

Can anyone point me to the right topic please...can find anything about how to code the ecu to work proprely with this headlights. Thanks very much in advance.

[VRvento]

This link helped with vagcom to fine tune the drls, but the main thing is to turn the prefacelift 7% duty cycle to the post facelift 28% duty cycle to avoid any errors.
Also make sure that when headlights are on the drls are set to 100% duty cycle
http://www.audiworld.com/forums/q5-sq5-mki-8r-discussion-129/photo-summary-various-lighting-drl-options-2014-q5-2855281/

[gorgoo]

Tx for info.. I `ll try to do that. Cheers

[rockingtherace]

Hi,

I did my coding with OBD eleven. It is really nice tool and they have one click retrofit app for q5.


https://obdeleven.com/

If you dont about coding then this is your best bet.

let me know if you need more help.

[Crazybuba]

Hi everyone, hope to find you doing well. I have just purchased an Audi Q5 2010. I wanted to do the headlight conversion however, I am unsure here to get the wire harness. Does anyone know where I can purchase the wiring I need for the conversion, and apart from that, I only need a bracket and some coding done correct?
Thank you!

[djsnowman777]

Hi everyone, hope to find you doing well. I have just purchased an Audi Q5 2010. I wanted to do the headlight conversion however, I am unsure here to get the wire harness. Does anyone know where I can purchase the wiring I need for the conversion, and apart from that, I only need a bracket and some coding done correct?
Thank you!

go to kufatec to get the wire harness. also follow up to the beginning of the thread. everything is listed for the conversion. i did the conversion for my 2011 Q5https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170318/6b87844e7d4ee0d94ffe9a01f4231198.jpg


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[mannersQ5]

Hi All,

Bumping this thread, i now own a 2009 halogen lights. the lights themselves is gone as the light distorted and spreading everywhere. so looks like im in the hunt, it make it worst if that im from australia (RHD) so hopefully be sourcing from ebay (US) seems to have plenty of used facelift lights.

the question is that would the support bracket is compatible international?

any tips from ppl upgrading from halogen to give their tips>?

[agautohaus]

Hi All,

Bumping this thread, i now own a 2009 halogen lights. the lights themselves is gone as the light distorted and spreading everywhere. so looks like im in the hunt, it make it worst if that im from australia (RHD) so hopefully be sourcing from ebay (US) seems to have plenty of used facelift lights.

the question is that would the support bracket is compatible international?

any tips from ppl upgrading from halogen to give their tips>?

Support bracket should be the same but if you source used lights from the USA they will all be LHD. Best shot is to get them from the U.K. Or Japan I think.

[base14]

Completed front and rear conversion thanks to this thread, so thanks OP for putting this together!

Some thoughts: The pre-FL headlight LEDs are dimmed to 9% with low beams on, and need VAGCOM modification to increase the brightness to FL levels (28%) otherwise they won't turn on AFAIK. Now looking at my converted FL tails, it seems like the DRL (which I turned on) are rather dim. I haven't been able to compare side by side with an actual 2013+ Q5, but do you guys think a similar lower LED output for the pre-LED tails carries over to the FL tails?

I used the Carista app to modify my settings, so adjusting the tail light brightness isn't an option for the app. Maybe some of the VCDS folks can chime in on what theirs are set at...

[base14]

Just to follow up on this, they indeed ARE less bright than the actual Facelift cars. Looked at them side by side next to a 2014 Q5 and the retrofits LED ring were not as bright. I just need to find someone with VCDS in the Portland area to see if I can configure these to be true OEM brightness.


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[sjmitchell]

This is a really old thread but does anyone know if the ballasts and bulbs from the 2009 headlight assembly are transferable to the 2013 housing? The generic ballasts i'm finding on ebay appear to work for both so one would assume...just wondering if anyone out there knows for sure? Much cheaper to find the FL headlights without...

[base14]

Ballasts and head light bulbs are the same between pre-FL and FL. I believe there are small variations in the turn signal bulbs, but that’s minor details. A word of caution though, our ballasts seem to fade in light output over time. I used a newer ballast from my preFL lights, replaced by the original owner before I purchased the car, to put into my FL lights and the light output was noticeably brighter and bluer. My FL set only came with one ballast but it swapped right over from my old preFL set.


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[Elberoth]

Ballasts and head light bulbs are the same between pre-FL and FL. I believe there are small variations in the turn signal bulbs, but that’s minor details. A word of caution though, our ballasts seem to fade in light output over time. I used a newer ballast from my preFL lights, replaced by the original owner before I purchased the car, to put into my FL lights and the light output was noticeably brighter and bluer. My FL set only came with one ballast but it swapped right over from my old preFL set.


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Maybe that was the HID bulb which was degrading over time, not the ballast ?

[base14]

Maybe that was the HID bulb which was degrading over time, not the ballast ?

That was my thought too, but I had bought 2 new Osram CBI HID bulbs and replaced them a couple months before swapping the headlight housing. The side with the newer ballast was still about 20% brighter and the cutoff line was slightly blue as opposed to the white/yellow cutoff from the older ballast.

[sjmitchell]

Ballasts and head light bulbs are the same between pre-FL and FL. I believe there are small variations in the turn signal bulbs, but that’s minor details. A word of caution though, our ballasts seem to fade in light output over time. I used a newer ballast from my preFL lights, replaced by the original owner before I purchased the car, to put into my FL lights and the light output was noticeably brighter and bluer. My FL set only came with one ballast but it swapped right over from my old preFL set.


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Thanks for that. Does that apply only to the xenon ballast? What about the LED DRL control module (i.e. 8R0941475B)? The OEM Valeo lights I'm looking at don't appear to have it. Would that be something else I would have to source as it doesn't appear to be on the preFL or at least looks quite different (hard to tell as I have not ripped anything apart yet)?

[base14]

The led drls are separate ballasts, usually on the inside of the unit. Mine came with my headlights fortunately. You’re gonna have to source those and I’m not sure if they’re the same preFL and FL.


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[Audi Q5]

Hello Pls HELP ME !!!!!!

I have Audi Q5 11.2008 with bixenon adaptiv headlight this is my problem:

01042 , 02234 , 01539 vcds code . The AFS modul (7L6 941 329A) is new .What can i do

[PhillipAtwood]

Hello Elberoth, I’ve been following your posts and thank you so much for the vivid detail!
I have a 2011 Q5 w halogen stock lights. I have the FL lights but have struggled to find an example of a halogen to factory xenon FL conversion. Do you have any input for me? Thanks in advance!!

[Elberoth]

Hello Elberoth, I’ve been following your posts and thank you so much for the vivid detail!
I have a 2011 Q5 w halogen stock lights. I have the FL lights but have struggled to find an example of a halogen to factory xenon FL conversion. Do you have any input for me? Thanks in advance!!

It seems you want to do two conversions in one big step:

- halogen to xenon
- pre-FL xenon to post-FL xenon

I have no idea if that has been done before. There is a special cable set from Kufatec for halogen to xenon conversion:

https://www.kufatec.de/shop/en/audi/q5/q5-8r/xenon-hid-headlights-adapter-audi-q5?info=929

It should work with FL xenons as well.

[PhillipAtwood]

Exactly...I’m hoping that it works. I ordered the Kufatec harness and it should arrive in a day or so. I was also trying to see if someone with an A4 with halogen pre-facelift did a factory xenon post facelift swap. Do you think I will run into any trouble?

[Elberoth]

No idea ... you may be the first one going that route. Please keep us posted.

[tck721]

Dear all,

I am headache on upgrade to Q5 facelift headlight....

[THE DAILY RUNNING LIGHT is failure to ON in all condition]

I have bought 8R0941006D (Right headlamp) from UK and 8R0941006A (Left headlamp) from Japan.

I have bought DRL module (Try both 4G0907697D and 4G0907397R) and LED bulb module (8R0941475, change to other set already)

I got the adapter cable from CHINA, have bought from 3 different dealers (From China too)............. All fail !!

TRY ODIS and VCSD to decode, DRL FAIL to on too !!


Do all of you think it is still adapter cable problem? Or any possible reason?

[Gilly44]

I will admit the taillights do look a lot better! But the older headlights to me are more unique.

[johnyy]

hey can you please let me know where you got you're grill ? thank you
Btw beautiful car !

[tck721]

Dear all,

Do anyone has 14PIN out of the adapter cable?

My car is Audi Q5, UK version

Thanks

[still in school]

Can someone help? I'm going from 2011 Halogen -> Facelift w/ LED's.

I was hoping on using OBDeleven to do a simple one click coding but OBDeleven says my vehicle is not supported (I'm guessing due to the halogen)
What changes do I need to make in OBDevleven advanced mode?

This is the harness I will be using

http://i65.tinypic.com/24dq7at.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/wcljs0.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/eq808y.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/2v33q8p.jpg

[pjekar]

Hi,

So i got Q5 2011 3.2 - can someone point me to where can I get a 2013 rears and anything else required to do a swap?

[Elberoth]

Dear all,

Do anyone has 14PIN out of the adapter cable?

My car is Audi Q5, UK version

Thanks

Try Kufatec.

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Hi,

So i got Q5 2011 3.2 - can someone point me to where can I get a 2013 rears and anything else required to do a swap?

ebay or a dealer.

[Elberoth]

Can someone help? I'm going from 2011 Halogen -> Facelift w/ LED's.

I was hoping on using OBDeleven to do a simple one click coding but OBDeleven says my vehicle is not supported (I'm guessing due to the halogen)
What changes do I need to make in OBDevleven advanced mode?

This is the harness I will be using

http://i65.tinypic.com/24dq7at.jpg



Make sure those extensions have rubber gromets (seals) around the cables entering the socket. I do not see them on this picture. Without the seals, you will get a short in wet conditions.

[pjekar]

I understand that ebay is where I can find it etc. I was hoping for maybe a link to items, because I simply don’t even know if my car has halogen or led (original not changed from the date of purchase). I know I am asking a lot but can someone give me a list of parts required, with links preferrably?

[Elberoth]

I understand that ebay is where I can find it etc. I was hoping for maybe a link to items, because I simply don’t even know if my car has halogen or led (original not changed from the date of purchase). I know I am asking a lot but can someone give me a list of parts required, with links preferrably?

Post a pic of both front and back of your car.

[pjekar]

As requested. A little outdated but should do the trick.

956569565795658


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[Elberoth]

Those are LED tails and LED / bixenon headlights.

[Elberoth]

Here is a pair on Allegro in Poland (I don't see a single one listed on ebay):

https://allegro.pl/audi-q5-lift-lampy-lampa-tyl-led-wersja-usa-i7688706848.html

Shipping will be expensive @ $150 or so, but they are $220 for a pair (noone wants US tailights in Europe, so they are priced as junk).

[pjekar]

I am in USA - am I looking for anything in particular or simply OEM 2013+? Also any extension required? coding?


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[Elberoth]

Tails are basicly plug and play. You can source them from your dealer. No coding necessary. Only this adapter:

https://www.kufatec.com/en/all-products/adapter-facelift-led-rear-lights-for-audi-q5-39605

[pjekar]

Tails are basicly plug and play. You can source them from your dealer. No coding necessary. Only this adapter:

https://www.kufatec.com/en/all-products/adapter-facelift-led-rear-lights-for-audi-q5-39605

Is that the same thing?

https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiswePWmYHfAhUOAWkKHZjTDkUYABAlGgJpcQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESQOD2yrrca-s3977lphW2fY-lrpb3C4UmG05mqfpoJoz4iXmN8XZWjjw85f2LG3Vx4AwY0s44Q Q6Sj3PvF4ttjzM&sig=AOD64_13xZv6rQNsBJs6yCtwNzdi7J41OQ&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwi3idvWmYHfAhUUo4MKHRpyApUQwg96BAgVECA&adurl=


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[pjekar]

Is that the same thing?

https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiswePWmYHfAhUOAWkKHZjTDkUYABAlGgJpcQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESQOD2yrrca-s3977lphW2fY-lrpb3C4UmG05mqfpoJoz4iXmN8XZWjjw85f2LG3Vx4AwY0s44Q Q6Sj3PvF4ttjzM&sig=AOD64_13xZv6rQNsBJs6yCtwNzdi7J41OQ&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwi3idvWmYHfAhUUo4MKHRpyApUQwg96BAgVECA&adurl=


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Ok so I’ve ordered the item from Kufatec (harness) and lights.

Can you check the link and confirm they’ll work?

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F25 4007961497


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[Elberoth]

Yes, they should work.

[pjekar]

Thank you - I’ll post here my results once I get it done.


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[pjekar]

Thank you - I’ll post here my results once I get it done.


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The lights and adapters finally came, but what it seems- male adapter should have mirrored inserts as they just won’t fit into the socket.

Any ideas?

9853598536


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[pjekar]

The lights and adapters finally came, but what it seems- male adapter should have mirrored inserts as they just won’t fit into the socket.

Any ideas?

9853598536


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I have bigger problem now - when all parts came in car was on Airbag recall. Now it came I checked the car adapter vs what came from Kufatec.

It doesn’t match... anyone help how to resolve it? The middle wire is from Kufatec. Left is car’s female and right is OEM’s light Male.

98705


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[pjekar]

I have bigger problem now - when all parts came in car was on Airbag recall. Now it came I checked the car adapter vs what came from Kufatec.

It doesn’t match... anyone help how to resolve it? The middle wire is from Kufatec. Left is car’s female and right is OEM’s light Male.

98705


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After some DIY changes to adapters I finally make it work - and boy isn’t it beautiful.

99626


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[SQive]

Okay. So, what's up with your branding? "Audi" instead of the rings (looks good BTW). . .and just what in the hell is a "PQ5?" Did I miss something, another thread somewhere? [:)]

[pjekar]

AUDI instead of rings is just going back to the roots with a trunk emblem - fished for it in a junkyard, retouched it slapped it on the trunk.

PQ5 is just another DIY - it’s my baby, hence I wanted to make it my own + I always liked how SQ emblem looks, at the same time I’d feel like an idiot posing my car to be something it isn’t. I’ve came up with an initial of my nickname, made an emblem look ‘Audi like’ and here we are. I’ve done couple more of ‘my’ changes to the car, but you can’t see them on this picture.




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[SQive]

AUDI instead of rings is just going back to the roots with a trunk emblem - fished for it in a junkyard, retouched it slapped it on the trunk.

PQ5 is just another DIY - it’s my baby, hence I wanted to make it my own + I always liked how SQ emblem looks, at the same time I’d feel like an idiot posing my car to be something it isn’t. I’ve came up with an initial of my nickname, made an emblem look ‘Audi like’ and here we are. I’ve done couple more of ‘my’ changes to the car, but you can’t see them on this picture.

Well how about some pics of your personalizations, like a close-up of the PQ5 emblem.

[A4 in SC]

Well how about some pics of your personalizations, like a close-up of the PQ5 emblem.

IMO, the emblems are cool. What Audi did you get the Audi emblem from? More info on the P would be cool too.

I have a couple of Audi Sport emblems a qw member had made several years ago (I’m guessing 8-10 years now) that I put on my previous Avant. Didn’t feel like a poser, as it was definitely “sport”. [emoji16]


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[A4 in SC]

I added an A and 4 to the two “bars”.


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[A4 in SC]

[Duplicate post. Can’t figure out how delete from Audizine app.🤷*♂️🤣

[KiwiS4]

Hi Guys,

For coding the retro fit. Please buy obd eleven, it is one click. Rest of the stuff is in this blog. finiished my today and now waiting my device, it is in shipping.....

1) You need Kuftec non-afs adapter for this retro fit. no need for AFS ones.

let me know if you need any help.What is the brightness coding for those of us with vcds/vagcom?

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[BackupA2]

I have a Audi Q5 8R (2013) in UK, would you have the component codes for the rear lights in the picture??

Thanks.

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Just got today 4 brand-spanking-new fronts and rears. $1400 total shipped. I still expect to get at least $800 back from selling my current pre FL rears and fronts on ebay.

Life is good :)

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9546/xoj5.jpg


I have a Audi Q5 8R (2013) in UK, would you have the component codes for the rear lights in the picture??

Thanks.

[migsan]

Hello!

I have already swapping my tail lights for the facelift, and now I want to do the same with the headlights.

For all you made this mod I have some questions:

- The xenon unit control is the same?
- Upgrading for the facelift headlight will bring a gain in light quality at night? What is your feedback/experience?

Thanks in advance!

[G4RN V]

Hi guys

Apologies if this has been asked but there are a few iterations on the same questions. As I’m a novice just wanted to be clear

I have a 2009 q5 3.0tdi and I am buying front bits from a 2014 and rear lights from 2016

To do the conversion I need the below

New shape bonnet
New shape Bumper with grill
Headlights
Rear lights


To fit headlights I need
- headlight support plate left - 8R0 941 453 A
- headlight support plate right - 8R0 941 454 A
- headlight socket MALE - 1J0-973-837 - two pcs needed
- headlight socket FEMALE - 1J0-973-737 - two pcs needed
- headlight support bracket left - 8R0 941 355
- headlight support bracket right - 8R0 941 356
- headlight adjustment element - 4G8 806 305 - two pcs needed
- allen screw - WHT 000 372 - two pcs needed
- torx screw - N 107 511 01 - four pcs needed
- Headlight hose Left:8R0-941-717
- Headlight hose Right:8R0-941-718

I have 4 questions
1. If I buy the kufatec socket extension adapter do I still need the male and female sockets? (1J0-973-837) does anyone have a link to the adapters
2. To fit the support brackets and the plates do I need to do any drilling etc?
3. After install I need to get the DRL brightness changed for when indicating. Anything else?
4. Am I missing anything?


The rear lights from what I gather are plug and play with again with the kufatec adapters

I’m buying a 2016 set of rear lights, are the adapters the only thing I need?

Does anyone have a link to the adapters?

Apologies for the length of the question. Hope all makes sense

[Rullán]

The rears are pretty straight forward to replace. Pop off the two covers that cover the bolts on each side and replace with the new lights. One word of caution with the eBay lights, make sure that the harnesses are for a US spec Q5. The housing is different as well as the pin out. If you can't find the correct harnesses shoot me a pm. I have been making those harnesses for several people on the forum. I also make the headlight and the license plate led conversion harnesses.

Hello Blasterman,

I recently bought at a Junker for $250 both rear headlights from an Audi Q5 2015 to do them on my 2012 Audi Q5. I mounted them lights and they fitted snuggly but plugs aren’t the same. Could you help me out with that? I’m also looking to facelift fronts as well.

Kind regards,
Bryan

[base14]

Hello Blasterman,

I recently bought at a Junker for $250 both rear headlights from an Audi Q5 2015 to do them on my 2012 Audi Q5. I mounted them lights and they fitted snuggly but plugs aren’t the same. Could you help me out with that? I’m also looking to facelift fronts as well.

Kind regards,
Bryan

This has been mentioned in the thread several times. You need to either buy the adapter, or make your own.

https://www.kufatec.com/en/audi/q5/q5-8r/adapter-facelift-led-taillights-for-audi-q5-8r-39605

[Rullán]

The thing is I have left hand driving and kufatec harness can’t say me for sure if the marriage will go. Can I post pictures here yo se if someone is in the same situación like @pejkar

[robertwaczynski]

Happen to have the part numbers by any chance? Looking to retrofit to my 2012 Q5 and only finding right hand drive models. I’m in the US.

[m4gician]

Hi everyone I picked up a set of rear tail lights AND a set of these adapters: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/263960626751

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/iQcAAOSwWzVbq1l5/s-l1600.jpg

The lights I bought look like this on the rear so I figure I need these adapters to use on my 2012.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eeQAAOSwLZthfFfe/s-l1600.jpg

[m4gician]

Hi everyone I picked up a set of rear tail lights AND a set of these adapters: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/263960626751

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/iQcAAOSwWzVbq1l5/s-l1600.jpg

The lights I bought look like this on the rear so I figure I need these adapters to use on my 2012.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/eeQAAOSwLZthfFfe/s-l1600.jpg

Just a quick bump to see if in fact i'm okay with the lights and adapter to throw these Facelift lights on a 2012?

[m4gician]

After some DIY changes to adapters I finally make it work - and boy isn’t it beautiful.

99626


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Hey for the connectors you have, I have the same ones and the same tail lights, when you say some "DIY" you did, did you just break the plastic guides off the kufatec connectors? If you did, let me know because I'm in the same boat and I'd rather not wait a few more weeks for "new" connectors to arrive.

[m4gician]

I just took the kufatec connectors I had which were the US to EU model and used cutters to cut the side guides off.

My turn signals are the big brake part in the middle of the fl read tail and my brakes are the outside and what I believe is the amber turn signal.

I assume I can change this without vagcom by changing the connector pins on the adapter?

I think someone mentioned prenfacelift it went

1 2
3 4

And I have to change it to

1 3
2 4

By changing that on the kufatec connector it should work I'm assuming?

[m4gician]

I just took the kufatec connectors I had which were the US to EU model and used cutters to cut the side guides off.

My turn signals are the big brake part in the middle of the fl read tail and my brakes are the outside and what I believe is the amber turn signal.

I assume I can change this without vagcom by changing the connector pins on the adapter?

I think someone mentioned prenfacelift it went

1 2
3 4

And I have to change it to

1 3
2 4

By changing that on the kufatec connector it should work I'm assuming?

Ah hah I figured it out!

Anyone who's grabbing junk yard 2013+ facelift taillights or picking up tails to retrofit and using a kufatec connector this is for you:

I picked up audi 8r0-945-093-d and 8r0-945-094-d facelift US spec tail lights (red turn signal) and a pair of the kufatec connectors part 39605-2. That's important because I believe those connectors are wrong for those lights and you want 39605-3 the dash 3 meaning the plastic guides will line up from connector to tail light.

If you have the ones I have its TWO modifications you need to do to make it work.

1. Clip off the little plastic side guides on the kufatec connector on both sides so it'll now fit into the 2013+ tail light you have. That part is easy and clipping pliers or a low speed dremel does it.

2. The most important part and it avoids a re-code with vag.

The pin layout on the kufatec connector is listed there if you look closely and its done as

1-3-2-4 and it looks like this

1- 3-

2- 4-

Where the (-) s are the orientation of the pin in the connector from kufatec. The easiest way to correct this is to take the end that connectors to the tail light (the smaller end) and use a small tool like a very small flat head (like for working on electronics, phones, etc) and lift the clip on one side of the connector to slide out the bracket part.

You'll be left with the part that connects to the light like and it's 4 horizontal pin holes.

Press to release the middle two connectors and swap them. You'll have to press to release twice each connector as there is two release tabs holding that tiny pin/wire in.

Just swap the middle two and reattach bracket.

Plug it all back together, affix the connector to the hole, test and it should work the same as your pre facelift lights where the narrow led strip is your turn signal and the big part is your brake light.

Once tested okay put back the plastic cover(s) and enjoy!

No re coding needed just by swapping the wires on the connector. You donht have to do anything to the car and risk damaging any piece of the audi Vs the connector.

[nananana4k]

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee407/junspi/ScreenShot140_zpsc4b49dbd.jpg

Left:8R0-941-717
Right:8R0-941-718

I belive those hoses were added to avoid vapor condensation inside the headlights.

http://imageshack.us/a/img197/2581/n2mj.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img546/2063/7de3.jpg

The hose connects to the back of the headlight:

http://imageshack.us/a/img51/3826/nk6q.jpg



Hey all, I know this maybe simple but where does this his connect to on the headlight? There are a few places it could connect but I couldn’t find info on exactly where it goes