Understanding differences between Audi A6 clusters and the compatibility issues

[audifirst]

Disclaimer. The information on this post is for informational purposes only.
This post and all of the information it contains are provided 'as is' without warranty of any kind, whether express or implied.
The wiring information was taken from "Bentley Publishers CD and Hardcover copy", there may be omissions or inaccuracies in information contained in this post. Before making any decision or taking any action based on the information contained in this Post, you should double/triple check information regards to the vehicle you service.
If you found that the information is inaccurate and you have found the solution post it up and I will update the post.
Most information posted is for USA and Canadian Audi C5 from 1998 to 2005 only,

The photos below shows three instrument clusters from Audi A6 C5 Series from 1998 to 2005 with Full size Center LCD,

Audi Allroad had some additional difference, some had thicker needle pointers based on engine 2.7T had thinner, 4.2 had thicker needles.
http://imageshack.com/a/img59/9049/audia6clusters.jpg

Here is the back of the instrument clusters.
http://imageshack.com/a/img193/8987/audia6clustersback.jpg

You can see the difference between all the clusters .

Cluster 1 was installed in 1998 and 1999 Audi A6 models, the most visible difference it had analog clock
Cluster 2 was installed in 2000 to 2003 Audi A6 models, the most visible difference it had digital clock comparing to cluster 1
Cluster 3 was installed in 2003 to 2005 Audi A6/Allroad from 2001 models, the most visible difference it had rings added comparing to cluster 2

NOW COMPATIBILITY
Legend

* Cluster 1 is 1998-1999 (no immobilizer, no Can-Bus)
* Cluster 2 is 2000-2003 (no immobilizer in 2000 model, Immobilizer was added in 2001, Can-Bus was introduced in 2000+ models)
* Cluster 3 is 2003 to 2005 (had immobilizer and Can-Bus) Audi Allroad from 2001 had this cluster


Cluster 2, and cluster 3 can fit directly into cluster 1, except the middle new plug needs to be installed and rewire connection.,
Cluster 3 can be installed into cluster 2 however it all depends if your car came with immobilizer.If your car came without immobilizer,
and you installed cluster that has immobilizer you will have little car key light ON on the tachometer , check the picture below.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/537/qnK2La.jpg
This can not be disable by software, only solution is to cover with black electrical tape the opening for immobilizer light, only you will hear beeps for couple seconds when starting the vehicle.
If your car came with immobilizer , and you want to install another instrument cluster with immobilizer you need VAGCOM software from Ross Tech to program immobilizer to your car or you can have your Audi Dealer perform the service for you.
WARNING for those with immobilizer !!!
Do not start the car when you remove the cluster or when you install new one if it wasn't program to your car yet, if that happens your vehicle will start and shut down under 5 seconds and immobilizer will be activate , at that point it will not allow you to start the car until you re-install original cluster that was programmed in the car and if you unable to restart the vehicle you will have to tow your car to Audi Dealer to have them reset the immobilizer with their device

How do I know if I do or don't have immobilizer ?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img213/6017/immobolizerclusterrev2.jpg


ABS & Brake lights + AirBag Light on
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5882/absissueaf.jpg

Can you install color LCD into C5 Cluster
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9774/colorlcdrev1.jpg

Here are wiring pinouts for Audi A6 1998, 1999 and 2000+ clusters
Green highlighted is what matches between the cluster with analog clock and cluster with digital clock
The remaining must be rewired , except of the CANBUS which is not present in clusters with analog clock you might run to some problems
Blue plug
BLUE 1998, 1999
1 - Terminal 15
2 - Right turn signal
3 - Speedometer output 1
4 - Vacant
5 - Fuel gauge sender
6 - Airbag
7 - Terminal 31 sensor Ground (GND)
8 - Coolant temperature
9 - Terminal 31 load Ground (GND)
10 - Oil pressure switch
11 - Engine speed (RPM) signal
12 - Terminal 61
13 - CAT
14 - Self-levelling suspension
15 - Terminal 58d
16 - Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL)
17 - High beams
18 - Left turn signal
19 - ABS
20 - Terminal 58s
21 - Door contact, driver's side
22 - Coolant level low
23 - Terminal 30
24 - Terminal 31 load Ground (GND)
25 - K-wire
26 - Right parking light
27 - Left parking light
28 - Speedometer input
29 - Brake fluid level/pressure
30 - S-contact
31 - Seat belt buckle
32 - Electronic Stability Program (ESP)

Blue 2000,2001 +
1 - Terminal 15
2 - Brake pad wear
3 - Speedometer output 1
4 - Not assigned
5 - Tank sensor
6 - Tank warning OBD 2
7 - Terminal 31 (sensor Ground (GND))
8 - Coolant temperature
9 - Terminal 31 (load Ground (GND))
10 - Oil pressure 2 (high)
11 - RPM signal
12 - A/C shut-off
13 - E-Gas/glow plug control
14 - Level control
15 - Terminal 58d
16 - Trailer turn signal
17 - High beam
18 - Left turn signal
19 - Not assigned
20 - Terminal 58s
21 - Driver door contact
22 - Lack of coolant
23 - Terminal 30
24 - Terminal 31 (load Ground (GND))
25 - Consumption signal
26 - Right parking lamp
27 - Left parking lamp
28 - Tachometer input
29 - Brake
30 - S-contact
31 - Speedometer output 2
32 - ESP/ASR


Green 1998, 1999
1 - Vacant
2 - Transponder 1
3 - Vacant
4 - Immobilizer
5 - W-wire
6 - Vacant
7 - Brake pads
8 - Input for outside buzzer control (currently vacant)
9 - Input for outside gong/chime control (currently vacant)
10 - Fuel tank warning output signal for Engine Control Module (ECM)
11 - Standing time output
12 - Air conditioning shut-off
13 - Parking brake
14 - Electronic throttle
15 - Side marker light
16 - Vacant
17 - Transponder 2
18 - Vacant
19 - Vacant
20 - Vacant
21 - Oil temperature
22 - Vacant
23 - Vacant
24 - Vacant
25 - Vacant
26 - Vacant
27 - Vacant
28 - Vacant
29 - Terminal 58d (outside dimmer potentiometer)
30 - Speedometer output 2
31 - Vacant
32 - Vacant

Green 2000+
1 - Not assigned
2 - Transponder
3 - Not assigned
4 - Not assigned
5 - W-wire
6 - Not assigned
7 - Right turn signal
8 - External buzzer
9 - External gong
10 - Airbag
11 - Stand-still time output
12 - Terminal 61
13 - Parking brake/BRAKE
14 - CHECK
15 - Oil level/oil temperature
16 - Not assigned
17 - Transponder 2
18 - CAN low speed (powertrain) (high +)
19 - CAN low speed (powertrain) (low -)
20 - CAN low speed (powertrain) (screen)
21 - ABS
22 - CAN low speed (comfort) (high +)
23 - CAN low speed (comfort) (low -)
24 - CAN low speed (comfort) (screen)
25 - Hood
26 - Fuel filler cap
27 - Belt buckle
28 - K-wire
29 - Outside temperature -input
30 - Terminal 58d (ext. Dimmer potentiometer)
31 - Selector range display
32 - Automatic vertical headlamp aim control system




RED 1998, 1999
1 - Fuel consumption signal
2 - Vacant
3 - Vacant
4 - Vacant
5 - Outside air temperature
6 - Selector lever position indicator
7 - Vacant
8 - Vacant
9 - Washer fluid
10 - Hydraulic pressure
11 - On-board computer reset
12 - Clock signal for radio frequency display
13 - Data signal for radio frequency display
14 - On-board computer, left
15 - Enable-signal for radio frequency display
16 - Tail lights / dimmed headlights (bulb monitor)
17 - Vacant
18 - On-board computer, right
19 - Brake lights
20 - Vacant


Gray 2000+ clusters
1 - Switch for menu control (Menu)
2 - Switch for menu control (out A)
3 - Switch for menu control (out B)
4 - Switch for menu control (Enter)
5 - CAN high speed Display (high +)
6 - CAN high speed Display (low -)
7 - CAN high speed Display (screen)
8 - not used
9 - not used
10 - not used
11 - Enable
12 - Clock-
13 - Data-
14 - Brake light
15 - Wash water level
16 - Tail light/Low beam (Light control)
17 - On board computer left
18 - On board computer right
19 - On board computer reset
20 - Remote control input for auxiliary heater
21 - Summer /Winter Switch
22 - Auxiliary heater on
23 - Push button branch 1 Navigation
24 - Push button branch 2 Navigation
25 - Push button branch Telematik
26 - not used
27 - not used
28 - not used
29 - not used
30 - not used
31 - not used
32 - not used

Can I install Audi A4, S4, RS4 cluster into Audi A6 ?

Yes you can install cluster from B5 series A4/S4/Rs4 into A6 , however you will run to problems with compatibility .

1) Audi A4/S4/RS4 have different fuel tank size than A6, so your fuel gauge will not be accurate ,
2) Audi A4/S4/RS4 dimmer is control by the knob on cluster, Audi A6 is control by a dimmer switch near headlight , so you will need to remember to control dimming from two switches
3) Software compatibility , each cluster are preloaded with different software versions, so depends on the version one or more gauges (tachometer or speedometer) will not function properly or not at all.
Best recommendation is to stay with the same cluster from the same model series .

Will cluster from 2000+ A6, Allroad, S6 with digital clock work in 1998, 1999 Audi A6 C5 Series ? *updated*

I have build a wiring conversion for 1998/1999 A6 and now I can test every cluster in my 1999 C5 A6 with analog clock. Here is what I have find out
All clusters from C5 /4B series models will partially work in 98/99 Audi A6 like Speedometer, battery, fuel , and coolant temp will function after you do full wiring conversion
Tachometer will function from cluster year 2000 and early 2001 (non-immobilizer version), clusters from late 2001-2005 (immobilizer version) I got only certain clusters working (tachometer and oil temp were not responsive) that all depends on the version of the image the cluster is loaded with at the factory.
What will not function is oil temp gauge , on 2000+ Audi A6/S6/Allroad they have integrated oil level and oil temp into one unit and this sensor is mounted into oil pan, so this sensor has two functions , and it comes under one wire into the cluster, and the cluster digest the signal for oil level and temp and displays on the cluster.
98 and 99 Audi A6 models it is all separate only oil temp is measured and shown on oil temp gauge , there is only one pin wire and only one function which cluster with digital clock do not understand the signal
oil Sensor warning light will be showing on the center LCD screen at all times, (I have no solution for this one, other then retrofit pan and oil sensor from 00+ vehicle and run new wires to cluster)
Second issue is the brake pad wear signal , digital clock cluster doesn't understand this signal only solution is to ground the wire at the cluster.
Check engine light will not work . 2000+ have CANBUS system which is used to communicate with different modules in the car like ECM ,
1998, 1999 don't have CANBUS , and there is no other way around then change wiring and modules and might be expensive to retrofit. (I didn't found solution for this one, I know kufatec use to or still is selling CANBUS module for instrument cluster in Europe, that can digest signal for check engine light and the tachometer signal )


I have 2001-2005 Audi A6/Allorad/S6 with immobilizer , which cluster I can use and is it plug & play ?

If you have Audi A6/Allroad/S6 with immobilizer you can replace with another cluster that has immobilizer from 2001-2005 however it is not plug and play right away .
In order to replace the cluster , you need to have SKC code (5 digit code) from both your original Cluster and your replacement.
And you need to program your keys to new replacement cluster.
here is more information about immobilizers
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer
Audi A6 uses Immobilizer 3 similar to Audi TT, and Vw Jetta/Golf MkIV
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer#Immobilizer_Generation_3







If you have questions please post them here and I will answer them to best of my ability.

[werewolves182]

That's some great information right there, Thanks! I just purchased a 99 2.8 AT A6 Avant after having totaled my 2000 S4 a few days ago, I plan on swapping my 2.7 and 6-speed into the A6 and was curious to know if the S4 instrument cluster will fit and/or work in my 99 A6. Do you know if this is possible? Also you mention wiring in the new middle plug if you are swapping to a digital clock cluster, could you elaborate on this please?

[Mr. Timewise]

Great info. Thanks!

[beemercer]

very nice writeup [up]

[ENDEE666]

Very good write up. I have "Cluster 3" installed in my 01 A6 that came with "Cluster 2". The immobilizer light does flash, but there are no beeps when I start the car..

[dannyn424]

Very good write up. I have "Cluster 3" installed in my 01 A6 that came with "Cluster 2". The immobilizer light does flash, but there are no beeps when I start the car..

does the immobilizer flash when you drive... btw do u have aftermarket an IM... NIce 1/4 time.. I have almost the same mods as you....

[ENDEE666]

does the immobilizer flash when you drive... btw do u have aftermarket an IM... NIce 1/4 time.. I have almost the same mods as you....

Yes it flashes. It was annoying as hell at first but I don't notice it. I might cover it with black tape from behind. The reason I changed was for the newer style rings around each gauge and for a near perfrct LCD display to replace my one with a lot of dead pixels. I may also just swap bezels and LCD's to my old cluster.

Do you mean Intake Manifold by aftermarket IM? If so, no I don't.

[audifirst]

That's some great information right there, Thanks! I just purchased a 99 2.8 AT A6 Avant after having totaled my 2000 S4 a few days ago, I plan on swapping my 2.7 and 6-speed into the A6 and was curious to know if the S4 instrument cluster will fit and/or work in my 99 A6. Do you know if this is possible? Also you mention wiring in the new middle plug if you are swapping to a digital clock cluster, could you elaborate on this please?

The cluster will fit, the difference between A6 cluster and A4/s4 cluster is the dimmer control, A6 cluster dimmer is controlled at switch level, on A4, S4 cluster the dimmer is controlled by cluster knob, problem will be with your illumination lights will not function correctly , if you install S4 cluster you will have to move wires from the dimmer switch to cluster plug I don't have in front of me the pin layout of both clusters ,
the middle plug on cluster 1 is red 20 pin , on Cluster 2/3 is grey plug with 32 pins you need to move wires to new plug otherwise won't be able to connect.
I can post later the part# for new plug

[green a6]

very nice write up

[CALL AAA]

Wow. Nice work.
I see you have a cluster of clusters.

[deucescorner]

awesome!!! I have a 2000 model so cluster #2 and I always thought I had an immobilizer. This will make installing car alarm/starter will make this easier.

[8520]

awesome!!! I have a 2000 model so cluster #2 and I always thought I had an immobilizer. This will make installing car alarm/starter will make this easier.

Yeah. Remote starts in these cars are pretty easy. I just wish my car warmed up quicker.

[rollerton]

I missed this thread when it came up, I've love to know the pinouts on the clusters so i could upgrade our 99' to a later cluster (cheaper) with a working LCD. As for the Immo light: one time on a VW cluster swap I simply de-soldered the L.E.D. light for the Immo. and it worked great, it did have a couple beeps at startup, but no flashing light.

[vtraudt]

Got my car (2002 Allroad manual) a couple weeks ago.
To prepare for eventualities:
a) how can I get my immobilizer code (I assume VAGcom will tell me? How? If not, where do I find it)?
b) Other codes (on our 98, we got stuck with missing radio code, paid stealer $50 to look it up) I should document?

BTW: looking for a spare ECU and spare instrument cluster for my car.

[audifirst]

Got my car (2002 Allroad manual) a couple weeks ago.
To prepare for eventualities:
a) how can I get my immobilizer code (I assume VAGcom will tell me? How? If not, where do I find it)?
b) Other codes (on our 98, we got stuck with missing radio code, paid stealer $50 to look it up) I should document?

BTW: looking for a spare ECU and spare instrument cluster for my car.

a) either you visit a dealer or you can buy chinese tool on ebay, you will need immo code from both clusters yours and the one you plan to install
b) best way to have code handy in case you disconnect the battery or discharge during programming new cluster to your car

if you plan to install used ECU makesure you get the immo code that as well, otherwise you will have problem coding cluster to ecu

[Scotty@Advanced]

Got my car (2002 Allroad manual) a couple weeks ago.
To prepare for eventualities:
a) how can I get my immobilizer code (I assume VAGcom will tell me? How? If not, where do I find it)?
b) Other codes (on our 98, we got stuck with missing radio code, paid stealer $50 to look it up) I should document?

BTW: looking for a spare ECU and spare instrument cluster for my car.

The only way to retrieve the cost is through the aftermarket tools (ECU tool Vag commander, TAG TACHO etc) VAG Com Pro-Diag will not tell you the code, and your dealer cannot tell you the code either.

[vtraudt]

Wow. So I better get my Immo Code. Previous owner still has contact to dealer, so maybe they have it in their file.
Cluster swap: it seems unlikely to get immo of used cluster. Does it mean (in the likely event that code of new/used cluster is not available) that a trip to the dealer is required for any cluster swap?

[audifirst]

. Does it mean (in the likely event that code of new/used cluster is not available) that a trip to the dealer is required for any cluster swap?
most likely, what is the reason for cluster swap ?

[vtraudt]

Want to install 37mm boost gauge in lieu of 12V gauge. Hacking required. Don't want to mess up my cluster.


most likely, what is the reason for cluster swap ?

[audifirst]

Want to install 37mm boost gauge in lieu of 12V gauge. Hacking required. Don't want to mess up my cluster.

if you find used cluster ask seller if they have security immo code for that cluster, as to your original cluster, did you by any chance had extra key with a tag attached (that tag has security code) ?

[Scotty@Advanced]

Wow. So I better get my Immo Code. Previous owner still has contact to dealer, so maybe they have it in their file.
Cluster swap: it seems unlikely to get immo of used cluster. Does it mean (in the likely event that code of new/used cluster is not available) that a trip to the dealer is required for any cluster swap?

Yes Dealers have not had access to immo codes for about 8 years. Used to you would call Audi give them the VIN and the cluster serial number and they would give you the code. Now you just plug in their service equipment and the code is retrieved via the internet from Audi's servers, it is not displayed or otherwise retrievable.

You have to go to the dealer for an ECU swap, cluster swap or key programming. Unless you have the 4 digit SKC.

[teckjoel1320]

Is there any way to get an all red cluster like the 98-99 in my 2000?? I've always liked the all reds.

[audifirst]

Is there any way to get an all red cluster like the 98-99 in my 2000?? I've always liked the all reds.
two options
either you change all the LED's to red or use red film behind the gauge overlay

[giochris]

I have a 1999 audi a6 quattro, if I change the cluster ,do i need program a the cumpater with a code? Iwiil buy a cluster for someone that have the same audi. someone told me that my cluster is bad because the fuel indicator when is fuel mark empty and the oil light is flashing. do you think changing the problem will help? and 1999 car have de immobilizer ?

thanks

[audifirst]

I would first check if you have issues with fuel pump sender , and oil light flashing possible you need to check oil sensor, could be clogged up or defective,
changing cluster might not fix the problems, as far of programming goes if it is the same car, then not need , but mileage that is already programmed can not be changed.

[teckjoel1320]

is it hard to chaange the leds out? soldering? or bulb types?

ive got my eyes on an allroad cluster and i want it all red. i found a way to do speedo correction as well so i'm currious as how hard it will all be.

[audifirst]

it is all soldering , you have to strip the cluster to board and replace all the LED, another option is put red film behind overlay

[hcaudikeed]

Bringing this thread back from the dead. I have a 2000 A6 2.7t 6 spd. I bought an 01 s4 cluster. Dimmer at the cluster works fine without rewiring. However, Tach doesn't work and center lcd only displays "Press clutch pedal to start", even while driving. Also the oil temp gauge works for about a minute before it loses power. Any ideas? Speedo works fine, as well as the remaining gauges and indicators.

[audifirst]

Bringing this thread back from the dead. I have a 2000 A6 2.7t 6 spd. I bought an 01 s4 cluster. Dimmer at the cluster works fine without rewiring. However, Tach doesn't work and center lcd only displays "Press clutch pedal to start", even while driving. Also the oil temp gauge works for about a minute before it loses power. Any ideas? Speedo works fine, as well as the remaining gauges and indicators.

best way to stay with the same model cluster , then you will not run to those issues , some clusters works right out, some have different software which might not be compatible , sell the S4 and get A6 cluster

[arazvan2002]

Hello,

I have an Audi a4 b5 98 1.9 tdi AFN quattro. I want to swap a a6 c5 cluster to my car, the 2001+ model with LCD and with white numbers and I need to know what I need to do, other than programming the imobiliser. My cluster also has immo in it. From what I understand, the single difference is the dimmer control. There is no problem with can-bus because I have a guy who swapped a a4 2001 canbus cluster in a a4 96 without immo and everything works.
I want to do this because the A6 with full FIS are easier to find than a4 facelift with FIS (digital clock, white numbers).
Thanks

[audifirst]

Hello,

I have an Audi a4 b5 98 1.9 tdi AFN quattro. I want to swap a a6 c5 cluster to my car, the 2001+ model with LCD and with white numbers and I need to know what I need to do, other than programming the imobiliser. My cluster also has immo in it. From what I understand, the single difference is the dimmer control. There is no problem with can-bus because I have a guy who swapped a a4 2001 canbus cluster in a a4 96 without immo and everything works.
I want to do this because the A6 with full FIS are easier to find than a4 facelift with FIS (digital clock, white numbers).
Thanks

sell the A6 cluster and buy A4 cluster you will run to issues with A6 cluster in A4, dimming , and software compatibility
here is A4 tdi cluster from germany ebay
Click here (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Audi-A4-B5-8D-Diesel-TDI-FIS-Tacho-KM-H-Kombiinstrument-8D0919881HX-Spedometer-/300652194521?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item4600446ad9#ht_1568wt_952)

or

click here number 2 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Tacho-Kombiinstrument-FIS-Audi-A4-B5-TDI-8D0920931T-/270835709954?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item3f0f10f802#ht_5165wt_1009)

[arazvan2002]

Thanks for quick answer!
I don't have the a6 cluster yet. Is easier for me to find a6 full fis clusters than a4's. I don't want to buy it for nothing.

[audifirst]

Thanks for quick answer!
I don't have the a6 cluster yet. Is easier for me to find a6 full fis clusters than a4's. I don't want to buy it for nothing.

go to german ebay and there are plenty A4 cluster with full FIS, don't waste your money on A6 cluster and try to install into A4 you will run to issues .

[arazvan2002]

Ok, thanks. Now I'm reading the other topic of yours, with a4 B5 clusters. Very useful.

[vtraudt]

the A6 cluster could already have higher IMMO than your B5, causing the issues.

I plan that to my advantage: I have 2002 A6 (with Immo), but tuner flashed by ECU with an S4 tune (no immo). I should now be able to swap clusters (maybe with some VAGcom softcoding?) without running into the insurmountable Immo issues (would need Immo coder from old AND new cluster (which no one has)).



Hello,

I have an Audi a4 b5 98 1.9 tdi AFN quattro. I want to swap a a6 c5 cluster to my car, the 2001+ model with LCD and with white numbers and I need to know what I need to do, other than programming the imobiliser. My cluster also has immo in it. From what I understand, the single difference is the dimmer control. There is no problem with can-bus because I have a guy who swapped a a4 2001 canbus cluster in a a4 96 without immo and everything works.
I want to do this because the A6 with full FIS are easier to find than a4 facelift with FIS (digital clock, white numbers).
Thanks

[audifirst]

the A6 cluster could already have higher IMMO than your B5, causing the issues.

I plan that to my advantage: I have 2002 A6 (with Immo), but tuner flashed by ECU with an S4 tune (no immo). I should now be able to swap clusters (maybe with some VAGcom softcoding?) without running into the insurmountable Immo issues (would need Immo coder from old AND new cluster (which no one has)).

Best is to stay with the same cluster from the same model, mixing two you will run to issues, even if they flash ECU with S4, will not make fix your problems, Audi A6 has bigger tank than A4, software that is loaded into A6 is different then B5 series , which can result from not recognizing different signals like tachometer, speedometer and so on

[ebi718]

Just curious: my '04 A6 doesn't display this "Press Clutch Pedal To Start Engine" message. Is this due to having a 'different' cluster or 'cos it's a 5-speed Automatic?

TIA.

[audifirst]

Just curious: my '04 A6 doesn't display this "Press Clutch Pedal To Start Engine" message. Is this due to having a 'different' cluster or 'cos it's a 5-speed Automatic?

TIA.

that message shows when you have standard transmission , cluster detect which transmission you have and displays appropriate message

[ebi718]

that message shows when you have standard transmission , cluster detect which transmission you have and displays appropriate message

Great... thank you.

[MichaelCaseau]

1) Audi A4/S4/RS4 have different fuel tank size than A6, so your fuel gauge will not be accurate ,
2) Audi A4/S4/RS4 dimmer is control by the knob on cluster, Audi A6 is control by a dimmer switch near headlight , so you will need to remember to control dimming from two switches
3) Software compatibility , each cluster are preloaded with different software versions, so depends on the version one or more gauges (tachometer or speedometer) will not function properly or not at all.
Best recommendation is to stay with the same cluster from the same model series .



If you have questions please post them here and I will answer them to best of my ability.[/Quote/]

I have a 1995 c5 w no immo, which was subsequently realized after removing my cluster and driving my car around, lol. I just bought an Rs4 steering wheel from a 2006, is it possible to get a newer s6 cluster that is plug and play in which multifunction will work with the cluster? I'm trying to update my interior but answered to so scattered to say the least. Thank you so much if you can or cannot help me out! I don't really have savvy when it comes to connecting different pins, so it would be great if you could elborte. Ty again

[audifirst]

1) Audi A4/S4/RS4 have different fuel tank size than A6, so your fuel gauge will not be accurate ,
2) Audi A4/S4/RS4 dimmer is control by the knob on cluster, Audi A6 is control by a dimmer switch near headlight , so you will need to remember to control dimming from two switches
3) Software compatibility , each cluster are preloaded with different software versions, so depends on the version one or more gauges (tachometer or speedometer) will not function properly or not at all.
Best recommendation is to stay with the same cluster from the same model series .





If you have questions please post them here and I will answer them to best of my ability.[/Quote/]

I have a 1995 c5 w no immo, which was subsequently realized after removing my cluster and driving my car around, lol. I just bought an Rs4 steering wheel from a 2006, is it possible to get a newer s6 cluster that is plug and play in which multifunction will work with the cluster? I'm trying to update my interior but answered to so scattered to say the least. Thank you so much if you can or cannot help me out! I don't really have savvy when it comes to connecting different pins, so it would be great if you could elborte. Ty again

It will not function properly, new clusters from C5 after 2000 will not work in 1998, 1999 , because of CANBUS that they require to have , so your tachometer will not work and other function cluster will not recognized the vehicle modules.. if you really want to update the cluster only possibility is to get 2000 non immo version cluster but still you will need to do rewiring at the harness need to move wires around from one plug to another and so on and replace the red connector with gray one to fit into new cluster

[MichaelCaseau]

http://audiforum.us/threads/audi-s6-c5-7-99-navi-plus-where-is-the-canbus.3816/

Is this guy full of crap? He claims to have put an newer cluster on his older car. Andnthankyou for repeating yourself, I've read all of your posts with regard to this matter, however your more technical explanation pictures the situation.

So basically get a 2000 s6 cluster which is the newest you can get that links up with any c5 and in which case, ensure is has the grey wire also referred to by the gentleman above as a "hybrid cluster" And just re arrange the pins within that plug to appropriately match to the configuration of my vehicles factory set up. Same wires? But essentially different placement due to the update and setup of cluster....and in addition creating a harness, if you will-for the digital clock...please with all of your expertise and patience for myself and future forum attendees, could you share some specific detail so we can do it ourself?

Also, do you know anything about hooking up that 2006 s4 wheel I bought? To my knowledge, I have to purchase a multifunction sc lock, rewire the dual stage airbag to the airbag harness in my factory a6 steering wheel; further run 3 wires to pins under the dash to enable the track, vol, and possibly mode button, however Bluetooth is not a functionally accommodated option due to the limitations of the databus system...is that correct? I also am under the assumption the paddle shifters have to be hard wired directly to the shifter lever? Or can this be done another way? Thank you very much for whatever you can help me with!!! If you lived hear I'd just pay you to do this lol

[audifirst]

I read through the post the powertony had 2000 A6 which has CANBUS communication so the NikolasZ has a 1999 but with digital clock he is in Europe, so in europe they got cars year earlier then North America did as far of changes and upgrade... in Europe also they had immobilizers , and here they started late in 2001 , either of them had canbus ready in their cars , so they can use cluster from newer models

I have tested 2000 no immo, 2001 with immo, and 2004 with immo cluster in my 1999 A6 North American version that has analog clock , and 2000 was working fine, 2001, 2004 I couldn't get tachometer to work I believe it requires CANBUS system , plus the immobilizer icon was flashing I can't get this work in 1999, sine doesn't have immobilizer , I have tested all the clusters I had at my disposal , this is what I have tested on my car,
if you want you can try it yourself and see if it works for you, the more people tests the better , then we know what works for who

regards to airbag there was a post on this forum about that upgrade, I didn't went that far with my upgrades..

[arcs1210]

hi everyone. I have an australian a6 (c5) model 1999 2.4 v6 Auto Avant. I have issues with my cluster and wand to change it. Does the vehicle have an immobilizer? Can I replace it with another cluster found on ebay same year and model? Mine has 144K KM while the other one is 133K km. but I don't mind. The previous owner had removed teh label on top of the cluster so I cannot see if it had an immobilizer or not. Myh question is: will I run into problems? Should I go to Audi for reprogramming the immobilizer? I have ONLY one key, I bought this car used a couple of weeks ago and I have neither code, or second key.

Thx

[audifirst]

hi everyone. I have an australian a6 (c5) model 1999 2.4 v6 Auto Avant. I have issues with my cluster and wand to change it. Does the vehicle have an immobilizer? Can I replace it with another cluster found on ebay same year and model? Mine has 144K KM while the other one is 133K km. but I don't mind. The previous owner had removed teh label on top of the cluster so I cannot see if it had an immobilizer or not. Myh question is: will I run into problems? Should I go to Audi for reprogramming the immobilizer? I have ONLY one key, I bought this car used a couple of weeks ago and I have neither code, or second key.

Thx
When you turn the key on, no engine look at your tachometer does icon "car with key" like in my first post shows up for a second or two ? second test is to use VAGCOM/VCDS to access to 17: Instruments and in the middle in the Extra section will show your VIN and 9 digits letter combination, the last resort if you don't have access to vagcom, remove the cluster and try to start the car , if it doesn't run without cluster then you know you have immobilizer if you can drive without cluster then you do not have immobilizer. I believe austrialian A6 do have immobilizer as early as 1998 model so most likely you do have it so , I would do any of the test to determine if you have immobilizer ,
none of the 1998, 1999, 2000 north american models had immobilizer they started them as of 2001..

[teckjoel1320]

so in theory, will a V8 cluster work in a V6??? I've got a buddy in europe who found a KMH S6 cluster for cheap that im pondering picking up....

[vtraudt]

so in theory, will a V8 cluster work in a V6??? I've got a buddy in europe who found a KMH S6 cluster for cheap that im pondering picking up....
Aside from physical size/fit (assume S6 is same as A6?), what Years are you trying to match/swap?
I learned that Immo3 years cannot be swapped unless you have the codes from the old and new cluster (which pretty much eliminates any ebay or junkyard clusters).
Since my 2002 Allroad had immo3, I was able to use another cluster by flashing my Allroad ECU to an S4 ECU (S4 of that generation were still a lesser Immo), but light is on.

If the S6 km/h cluster is still in the car, and if your car and the S6 are immo 3, maybe you can both codes?

[audifirst]

so in theory, will a V8 cluster work in a V6??? I've got a buddy in europe who found a KMH S6 cluster for cheap that im pondering picking up....

it will fit and possibly work, however you need to verify if the tank size is the same between V8 and V6, if not the fuel gauge will not be accurate
second all european models have immobilizer built into the vehicle , they had categorized immo I, II, III we only got immo III as of 2001 so knowing the year of that cluster is important the immo II was changed to immo III in 2000, 2001 in europe so if that cluster is immo II and your vehicle is immoIII it will not let you program it, you can downgrade immo but not upgrade, immo III will work in immo II vehicle but not the other way...

[teckjoel1320]

my main concern is the tach working and other gauges, but i'll try to get part numbers from the cluster and go from there.

[audifirst]

my main concern is the tach working and other gauges, but i'll try to get part numbers from the cluster and go from there.

what car this is going to ?year and engine

[pohsib]

You can use the V8 cluster in a V6. You just have to change teh soft coding in the cluster from the larger tank to smaller. VAG-COM can do it.

[teckjoel1320]

what car this is going to ?year and engine into my 2000 2.7t 6 speed.


You can use the V8 cluster in a V6. You just have to change teh soft coding in the cluster from the larger tank to smaller. VAG-COM can do it.

i'll have to look into it. thanks! any info you have on it would be appreciated.

[audifirst]

into my 2000 2.7t 6 speed.

in theory it should work since your car has CANBUS only thing you will have is annoying immobilizer key car flashing at all times, and beeping for few second once you turn the car on, you can cover the location on the LED with black tape



i'll have to look into it. thanks! any info you have on it would be appreciated.

when you go to 17=>instrument you can go to softCoding and change the code from V8 to V6

here is the coding on ross tech website

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Audi_A6_(4B)_Instrument_Cluster_(from_MY_2000)#Cod ing

[vtraudt]

[QUOTE=audifirst;7802566]in theory it should work since your car has CANBUS only thing you will have is annoying immobilizer key car flashing at all times, and beeping for few second once you turn the car on, you can cover the location on the LED with black tape
/QUOTE]

For test purposes, I swapped a used Immo 3 cluster from another Allroad into my 2002, which is flashed with S4 custom tune (otherwise, Immo 3 would kill it). Start, just above key car flashing.
When time comes and I need to install the cluster permanently (building a modified cluster, with boost gauge in place of voltage gauge), I will located the bulb (like LED) for the car key symbol and see if I can disable it).

[mrchuckz]

i just want to be cleared on the issue.
my lcd is bad in cluster. Can i just swap another a6 1999 cluster in my car without programming. just like swap and use.

chuckz

[vtraudt]

Good chance you can (immo 3 came later). May need VAGcom (I let others to chime in on that).
If you CANNOT: contact [email protected]

I had my cluster send in for repair (aftermarket or VDO LCD optional) and it worked perfect.

[eejimm]

I'd suggest you send the existing cluster in to get it repaired - will probably cost the same or less than a used one on e-bay and there's absolutely nothing to reprogram, also the cluster will retain your mileage, VIN etc. Lots of posts here about repair places, I had mine done for under $150 complete...
Jim

[audifirst]

i just want to be cleared on the issue.
my lcd is bad in cluster. Can i just swap another a6 1999 cluster in my car without programming. just like swap and use.

chuckz

You need to verify if you have immo in your vehicle. turn the ignition on and look at the tachometer side around 6-7 K for car with key icon,
if you do then it won't be easy to swap clusters , require programming immo to match to ECU and car keys.
the easiest way to test, remove the cluster and try to start the vehicle if the car shuts down you have immobilizer, if not you can replace with another cluster.

[2.7guy]

I'd suggest you send the existing cluster in to get it repaired - will probably cost the same or less than a used one on e-bay and there's absolutely nothing to reprogram, also the cluster will retain your mileage, VIN etc. Lots of posts here about repair places, I had mine done for under $150 complete...
Jim

so my cluster went out and wanted to know where you got this done at also I have swapped the cluster the did work fine and the same thing has happened to it so im thinking that it has to be something with the wiring ??

[audifirst]

so my cluster went out and wanted to know where you got this done at also I have swapped the cluster the did work fine and the same thing has happened to it so im thinking that it has to be something with the wiring ??

are you talking about center LCD or the entire cluster not working ? Never mind, found your other post..
You need to check your wiring something was changed or done which cause the cluster to fail..

[8520]

So here's a question,

My 2000 a6 has a cluster that I retrofitted from I believe a 2001 or 2002 and the backlighting for the gauges is a very bright white whereas the backlighting my cluster in my allroad (which appears to be almost exactly the same) are kind of dim or almost grayish. The dimmer switch works properly, but I can't get the needles to be anywhere need as bright as in my a6.

Is there something I can do to fix this? Or is this a difference in clusters?

[aysix]

So here's a question,

My 2000 a6 has a cluster that I retrofitted from I believe a 2001 or 2002 and the backlighting for the gauges is a very bright white whereas the backlighting my cluster in my allroad (which appears to be almost exactly the same) are kind of dim or almost grayish. The dimmer switch works properly, but I can't get the needles to be anywhere need as bright as in my a6.

Is there something I can do to fix this? Or is this a difference in clusters?

My 00 A6 cluster was very dim, swapped it out with a known bright one and its bright again, put the dim one in the other A6, and...well, its dim. Its the cluster.

[8520]

Is there a fix for this? Swapping out backlight LEDs or something?

[rider384]

I have the chrome accent rings around my gauges on my 02, never swapped, never been opened as far as I know. Anyone know what's up?

[aysix]

I have the chrome accent rings around my gauges on my 02, never swapped, never been opened as far as I know. Anyone know what's up?


I'm pretty sure they come stock with late 02's?

[Scotty@Advanced]

I'm pretty sure they come stock with late 02's?

The chrome rings come on the Allroads, and the facelifted C5's. (02-04).

[audifirst]

So here's a question,

My 2000 a6 has a cluster that I retrofitted from I believe a 2001 or 2002 and the backlighting for the gauges is a very bright white whereas the backlighting my cluster in my allroad (which appears to be almost exactly the same) are kind of dim or almost grayish. The dimmer switch works properly, but I can't get the needles to be anywhere need as bright as in my a6.

Is there something I can do to fix this? Or is this a difference in clusters?


dimmer in cluster is control by the dimmer switch, do you have another one to test ? do LCD's are dim as well ?

swap the hazard light switch from other vehicle , all the power to headlight switch goes through the hazard switch

[audifirst]

I have the chrome accent rings around my gauges on my 02, never swapped, never been opened as far as I know. Anyone know what's up?

standard as of 2002 I made an error on the photo

[8520]

dimmer in cluster is control by the dimmer switch, do you have another one to test ? do LCD's are dim as well ?

swap the hazard light switch from other vehicle , all the power to headlight switch goes through the hazard switch

Everything else works fine and dims like it should. Normal interior led's appear to be the right brightness.

I've actually recently put in a new hazard switch and headlight/dimmer switch in, none of which changed anything.

[audifirst]

Everything else works fine and dims like it should. Normal interior led's appear to be the right brightness.

I've actually recently put in a new hazard switch and headlight/dimmer switch in, none of which changed anything.

they are usually two things that will cause issues with dimming
1- external > dimmer switch, hazard switch but you have verify that
2- internal > one of the LED is burn out or weak it will still lit up but will be very dim(but you would notice darker spots comparing to other area on the cluster) , incorrect cluster installed = if your car is non-immo version; A4 cluster was installed perhaps by previous owner took A4 cluster and swapped the board with A6, it will give you that dim effect but then you would notice incorrect fuel readings on the gauge, you can try to turn knob on the mileage side see if illumination changes, or scan with vagcom instrument part and check the part number if starts 4B0 you have correct part if starts with 8D0 it is for A4, or perhaps it is normal for that Special Edition Model, you got used to see cluster in you old A6 brighter but this could be normal cluster for Allroad
other last resort option is to switch clusters around and see if you get the same dimming illumination in A6 or A6 cluster in Allroad..

[jimmyboyd29]

This is a great post...however I do have one question...I took a cluster out of a 2002 Audi A6 and put it into my 2000 A4 (which had the digital message board already)...I knew that the gas gauge was going to be off due to the different fuel tank sizes, but mine actually goes backwards...when I fill up the tank it registers I am on Empty and when I need to fill up it says I have a full tank....any ideas what is causing this???

[audifirst]

This is a great post...however I do have one question...I took a cluster out of a 2002 Audi A6 and put it into my 2000 A4 (which had the digital message board already)...I knew that the gas gauge was going to be off due to the different fuel tank sizes, but mine actually goes backwards...when I fill up the tank it registers I am on Empty and when I need to fill up it says I have a full tank....any ideas what is causing this???

possibly defective cluster or polarity reversed , but 2002 A6 started widely to use CANBUS to communicate with different modules which A4 B5 didn't used until B6 came out..
What happened to your original cluster ?

[01audittvegas]

Disclaimer. The information on this post is for informational purposes only.
This post and all of the information it contains are provided 'as is' without warranty of any kind, whether express or implied.
The wiring information was taken from "Bentley Publishers CD and Hardcover copy", there may be omissions or inaccuracies in information contained in this post. Before making any decision or taking any action based on the information contained in this Post, you should double/triple check information regards to the vehicle you service.
If you found that the information is inaccurate and you have found the solution post it up and I will update the post.
Most information posted is for USA and Canadian Audi C5 from 1998 to 2005 only,

The photos below shows three instrument clusters from Audi A6 C5 Series from 1998 to 2005 with Full size Center LCD,

Audi Allroad had some additional difference, some had thicker needle pointers based on engine 2.7T had thinner, 4.2 had thicker needles.
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9049/audia6clusters.jpg

Here is the back of the instrument clusters.
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8987/audia6clustersback.jpg

You can see the difference between all the clusters .

Cluster 1 was installed in 1998 and 1999 Audi A6 models, the most visible difference it had analog clock
Cluster 2 was installed in 2000 to 2003 Audi A6 models, the most visible difference it had digital clock comparing to cluster 1
Cluster 3 was installed in 2003 to 2005 Audi A6/Allroad from 2001 models, the most visible difference it had rings added comparing to cluster 2

NOW COMPATIBILITY
Legend

* Cluster 1 is 1998-1999 (no immobilizer, no Can-Bus)
* Cluster 2 is 2000-2003 (no immobilizer in 2000 model, Immobilizer was added in 2001, Can-Bus was introduced in 2000+ models)
* Cluster 3 is 2003 to 2005 (had immobilizer and Can-Bus) Audi Allroad from 2001 had this cluster


Cluster 2, and cluster 3 can fit directly into cluster 1, except the middle new plug needs to be installed and rewire connection.,
Cluster 3 can be installed into cluster 2 however it all depends if your car came with immobilizer.If your car came without immobilizer,
and you installed cluster that has immobilizer you will have little car key light ON on the tachometer , check the picture below.
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8846/smllimmorev1.jpg
This can not be disable by software, only solution is to cover with black electrical tape the opening for immobilizer light, only you will hear beeps for couple seconds when starting the vehicle.
If your car came with immobilizer , and you want to install another instrument cluster with immobilizer you need VAGCOM software from Ross Tech to program immobilizer to your car or you can have your Audi Dealer perform the service for you.
WARNING for those with immobilizer !!!
Do not start the car when you remove the cluster or when you install new one if it wasn't program to your car yet, if that happens your vehicle will start and shut down under 5 seconds and immobilizer will activate , at that point it will not allow you to start the car and you will have to tow your car to Audi Dealer to have them reset the immobilizer with their device

How do I know if I do or don't have immobilizer ?

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6017/immobolizerclusterrev2.jpg


ABS & Brake lights + AirBag Light on
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5882/absissueaf.jpg

Can you install color LCD into C5 Cluster
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9774/colorlcdrev1.jpg

Here are wiring pinouts for Audi A6 1998, 1999 and 2000+ clusters
Green highlighted is what matches between the cluster with analog clock and cluster with digital clock
The remaining must be rewired , except of the CANBUS which is not present in clusters with analog clock you might run to some problems
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5271/blueplug.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8899/greenplug.jpg

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3870/redgrayplug.jpg


Can I install Audi A4, S4, RS4 cluster into Audi A6 ?

Yes you can install cluster from B5 series A4/S4/Rs4 into A6 , however you will run to problems with compatibility .

1) Audi A4/S4/RS4 have different fuel tank size than A6, so your fuel gauge will not be accurate ,
2) Audi A4/S4/RS4 dimmer is control by the knob on cluster, Audi A6 is control by a dimmer switch near headlight , so you will need to remember to control dimming from two switches
3) Software compatibility , each cluster are preloaded with different software versions, so depends on the version one or more gauges (tachometer or speedometer) will not function properly or not at all.
Best recommendation is to stay with the same cluster from the same model series .

Will cluster from 2000+ A6, Allroad, S6 with digital clock work in 1998, 1999 Audi A6 C5 Series ? *updated*

I have build a wiring conversion for 1998/1999 A6 and now I can test every cluster in my 1999 C5 A6 with analog clock. Here is what I have find out
All clusters from C5 /4B series models will partially work in 98/99 Audi A6 like Speedometer, battery, fuel , and coolant temp will function after you do full wiring conversion
Tachometer will function from cluster year 2000 and early 2001 (non-immobilizer version), clusters from late 2001-2005 (immobilizer version) I got only certain clusters working (tachometer and oil temp were not responsive) that all depends on the version of the image the cluster is loaded with at the factory.
What will not function is oil temp gauge , on 2000+ Audi A6/S6/Allroad they have integrated oil level and oil temp into one unit and this sensor is mounted into oil pan, so this sensor has two functions , and it comes under one wire into the cluster, and the cluster digest the signal for oil level and temp and displays on the cluster.
98 and 99 Audi A6 models it is all separate only oil temp is measured and shown on oil temp gauge , there is only one pin wire and only one function which cluster with digital clock do not understand the signal
oil Sensor warning light will be showing on the center LCD screen at all times, (I have no solution for this one, other then retrofit pan and oil sensor from 00+ vehicle and run new wires to cluster)
Second issue is the brake pad wear signal , digital clock cluster doesn't understand this signal only solution is to ground the wire at the cluster.
Check engine light will not work . 2000+ have CANBUS system which is used to communicate with different modules in the car like ECM ,
1998, 1999 don't have CANBUS , and there is no other way around then change wiring and modules and might be expensive to retrofit. (I didn't found solution for this one, I know kufatec use to or still is selling CANBUS module for instrument cluster in Europe, that can digest signal for check engine light and the tachometer signal )


I have 2001-2005 Audi A6/Allorad/S6 with immobilizer , which cluster I can use and is it plug & play ?

If you have Audi A6/Allroad/S6 with immobilizer you can replace with another cluster that has immobilizer from 2001-2005 however it is not plug and play right away .
In order to replace the cluster , you need to have SKC code (5 digit code) from both your original Cluster and your replacement.
And you need to program your keys to new replacement cluster.
here is more information about immobilizers
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer
Audi A6 uses Immobilizer 3 similar to Audi TT, and Vw Jetta/Golf MkIV
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer#Immobilizer_Generation_3







If you have questions please post them here and I will answer them to best of my ability.


Thank you for that post, I have been plagued with spending stupid money only with disappointment. My check engine light is burnt out, not stuck on, and smog place says its not on, they only need to see it! of all things, and I bought a new (used) cluster but it was not the correct part number after taking it to teh dealer to get programmed.
All I need to do is replace the bulb? but it looks like a LED light? not one that I can simply replace? but now that I am at the end of my rope here, can I just replace that led myself? or at minimum take out one that lights up and replace it? do you have any help suggestions? no one seems to be able to have an answer except dealer and buy a new cluster 1500?
Thanks so much

[audifirst]

Thank you for that post, I have been plagued with spending stupid money only with disappointment. My check engine light is burnt out, not stuck on, and smog place says its not on, they only need to see it! of all things, and I bought a new (used) cluster but it was not the correct part number after taking it to teh dealer to get programmed.
All I need to do is replace the bulb? but it looks like a LED light? not one that I can simply replace? but now that I am at the end of my rope here, can I just replace that led myself? or at minimum take out one that lights up and replace it? do you have any help suggestions? no one seems to be able to have an answer except dealer and buy a new cluster 1500?
Thanks so much

if you have soldering skills you can replace it yourself, you need to pay attention the orientation of the LED , each LED has marked corner, put the same way and you are done..

[BITRBO]

Hey OP, I quick searched through both of your threads but didn't see this question asked: Could an 2003-2005 A6 cluster work in an '01.5 S4? The center cluster is basically 'effed and I was contemplating just swapping it with a cluster from a late C5 series A6/Allroad (if I can find one cheap) cause I kind of like the chrome rings... Or would it just be easier/cheaper to get the pixel display replaced on my cluster and install a set of chrome rings at the same time?

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9049/audia6clusters.jpg

[audifirst]

it would be cheaper to repair your existing,

There are differences between S4 cluster and A6 cluster, dimmer on A6 cluster is separate from the cluster not like on S4 you can control by knob..
Fuel gauge will be not accurate as A6 has larger tank,

[8520]

You can purchase the rings separately on eBay and it costs less than $200 to fix a cluster, so it's probably an easier option to repair/modify yours than to Frankenstein an a6 cluster in.

[Melchizedek]

LED Question. I'd like to swap out the red LED's for the old VW cobalt blue. I have a 98 A6. I know it's a soldering job, but I want to make sure I get the right LED's. What's the wattage that I need? I'm looking at this site to purchase from:

http://www.superbrightleds.com/cat/surface-mount-smd/

[Melchizedek]

Think I found what I need:

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/528496-Blue-LED-instrument-cluster?highlight=LED+cluster

[audifirst]

LED Question. I'd like to swap out the red LED's for the old VW cobalt blue. I have a 98 A6. I know it's a soldering job, but I want to make sure I get the right LED's. What's the wattage that I need? I'm looking at this site to purchase from:

http://www.superbrightleds.com/cat/surface-mount-smd/

none of those LED would work you need 1210 LED series ..
However one thing you need to know, on 98 and 99 clusters , they haven't separate illumination for the needles (oil temp, coolant temp, fuel and battery) meaning that two LEDs are lit up both needles and the gauges face-plates so if you change the led in these it will change the color of the needle as well, the tachometer and speedometer are separate illumination , on the clusters with digital clock they separate that
so you can change the illumination of the face plates and still have the needles in red

[ddillenger]

Audifirst:

I just got an 03 cluster, and the LCD is good, but the backlight (2 rows of LCD's) behind it for the top section is off. When you press the TEST button they illuminate yellow as they should, but when they're supposed to be red they're off. Ever seen this? I'm capable of repairing the circuit, just trying to narrow it down to avoid a lot of unnecessary effort.

[audifirst]

one of them is burnout the red part of led , you need to replace with new one,
they are grouped in 4 led's together , usually when you strip to the board you can tell which one is burn out usually when one LED is burned out the other 3 will illuminate very tiny light,

[Kadel]

Disclaimer. The information on this post is for informational purposes only.
This post and all of the information it contains are provided 'as is' without warranty of any kind, whether express or implied.
The wiring information was taken from "Bentley Publishers CD and Hardcover copy", there may be omissions or inaccuracies in information contained in this post. Before making any decision or taking any action based on the information contained in this Post, you should double/triple check information regards to the vehicle you service.
If you found that the information is inaccurate and you have found the solution post it up and I will update the post.
Most information posted is for USA and Canadian Audi C5 from 1998 to 2005 only,

The photos below shows three instrument clusters from Audi A6 C5 Series from 1998 to 2005 with Full size Center LCD,

Audi Allroad had some additional difference, some had thicker needle pointers based on engine 2.7T had thinner, 4.2 had thicker needles.
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9049/audia6clusters.jpg

Here is the back of the instrument clusters.
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8987/audia6clustersback.jpg

You can see the difference between all the clusters .

Cluster 1 was installed in 1998 and 1999 Audi A6 models, the most visible difference it had analog clock
Cluster 2 was installed in 2000 to 2003 Audi A6 models, the most visible difference it had digital clock comparing to cluster 1
Cluster 3 was installed in 2003 to 2005 Audi A6/Allroad from 2001 models, the most visible difference it had rings added comparing to cluster 2

NOW COMPATIBILITY
Legend

* Cluster 1 is 1998-1999 (no immobilizer, no Can-Bus)
* Cluster 2 is 2000-2003 (no immobilizer in 2000 model, Immobilizer was added in 2001, Can-Bus was introduced in 2000+ models)
* Cluster 3 is 2003 to 2005 (had immobilizer and Can-Bus) Audi Allroad from 2001 had this cluster


Cluster 2, and cluster 3 can fit directly into cluster 1, except the middle new plug needs to be installed and rewire connection.,
Cluster 3 can be installed into cluster 2 however it all depends if your car came with immobilizer.If your car came without immobilizer,
and you installed cluster that has immobilizer you will have little car key light ON on the tachometer , check the picture below.
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8846/smllimmorev1.jpg
This can not be disable by software, only solution is to cover with black electrical tape the opening for immobilizer light, only you will hear beeps for couple seconds when starting the vehicle.
If your car came with immobilizer , and you want to install another instrument cluster with immobilizer you need VAGCOM software from Ross Tech to program immobilizer to your car or you can have your Audi Dealer perform the service for you.
WARNING for those with immobilizer !!!
Do not start the car when you remove the cluster or when you install new one if it wasn't program to your car yet, if that happens your vehicle will start and shut down under 5 seconds and immobilizer will be activate , at that point it will not allow you to start the car until you re-install original cluster that was programmed in the car and if you unable to restart the vehicle you will have to tow your car to Audi Dealer to have them reset the immobilizer with their device

How do I know if I do or don't have immobilizer ?

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6017/immobolizerclusterrev2.jpg


ABS & Brake lights + AirBag Light on
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5882/absissueaf.jpg

Can you install color LCD into C5 Cluster
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9774/colorlcdrev1.jpg

Here are wiring pinouts for Audi A6 1998, 1999 and 2000+ clusters
Green highlighted is what matches between the cluster with analog clock and cluster with digital clock
The remaining must be rewired , except of the CANBUS which is not present in clusters with analog clock you might run to some problems
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5271/blueplug.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8899/greenplug.jpg

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/3870/redgrayplug.jpg


Can I install Audi A4, S4, RS4 cluster into Audi A6 ?

Yes you can install cluster from B5 series A4/S4/Rs4 into A6 , however you will run to problems with compatibility .

1) Audi A4/S4/RS4 have different fuel tank size than A6, so your fuel gauge will not be accurate ,
2) Audi A4/S4/RS4 dimmer is control by the knob on cluster, Audi A6 is control by a dimmer switch near headlight , so you will need to remember to control dimming from two switches
3) Software compatibility , each cluster are preloaded with different software versions, so depends on the version one or more gauges (tachometer or speedometer) will not function properly or not at all.
Best recommendation is to stay with the same cluster from the same model series .

Will cluster from 2000+ A6, Allroad, S6 with digital clock work in 1998, 1999 Audi A6 C5 Series ? *updated*

I have build a wiring conversion for 1998/1999 A6 and now I can test every cluster in my 1999 C5 A6 with analog clock. Here is what I have find out
All clusters from C5 /4B series models will partially work in 98/99 Audi A6 like Speedometer, battery, fuel , and coolant temp will function after you do full wiring conversion
Tachometer will function from cluster year 2000 and early 2001 (non-immobilizer version), clusters from late 2001-2005 (immobilizer version) I got only certain clusters working (tachometer and oil temp were not responsive) that all depends on the version of the image the cluster is loaded with at the factory.
What will not function is oil temp gauge , on 2000+ Audi A6/S6/Allroad they have integrated oil level and oil temp into one unit and this sensor is mounted into oil pan, so this sensor has two functions , and it comes under one wire into the cluster, and the cluster digest the signal for oil level and temp and displays on the cluster.
98 and 99 Audi A6 models it is all separate only oil temp is measured and shown on oil temp gauge , there is only one pin wire and only one function which cluster with digital clock do not understand the signal
oil Sensor warning light will be showing on the center LCD screen at all times, (I have no solution for this one, other then retrofit pan and oil sensor from 00+ vehicle and run new wires to cluster)
Second issue is the brake pad wear signal , digital clock cluster doesn't understand this signal only solution is to ground the wire at the cluster.
Check engine light will not work . 2000+ have CANBUS system which is used to communicate with different modules in the car like ECM ,
1998, 1999 don't have CANBUS , and there is no other way around then change wiring and modules and might be expensive to retrofit. (I didn't found solution for this one, I know kufatec use to or still is selling CANBUS module for instrument cluster in Europe, that can digest signal for check engine light and the tachometer signal )


I have 2001-2005 Audi A6/Allorad/S6 with immobilizer , which cluster I can use and is it plug & play ?

If you have Audi A6/Allroad/S6 with immobilizer you can replace with another cluster that has immobilizer from 2001-2005 however it is not plug and play right away .
In order to replace the cluster , you need to have SKC code (5 digit code) from both your original Cluster and your replacement.
And you need to program your keys to new replacement cluster.
here is more information about immobilizers
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer
Audi A6 uses Immobilizer 3 similar to Audi TT, and Vw Jetta/Golf MkIV
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Immobilizer#Immobilizer_Generation_3







If you have questions please post them here and I will answer them to best of my ability.

Hello Guys,
I am totally new here, I found this forum yesterday, because I am solving some issues after RNS-E retrofitting into my 2001 Allroad. My RNS-E won't take pin, when CAN+ and CAN- is connected to pin 5 and 6 on grey connector and ignition is ON. Than it play approx. 1/2 sec. and returns back to pin entry screen. When ignition is OFF, pin is accepted and radio works almost as should, except buttons illuminating and the unit doesn't go off, when I remove the key. Another issue is, that my VAG-COM can't find RNS-E at all (the same result on 37 and 56), the radio just stop to play, when I try to connect and seems to be frozen, but no message on screen saying that the unit is being diagnosed (like my old RNS-D did).

I was yesterday partially successful, when I unplugged blue connector (by mistake), while ignition was ON and then plug it in again, suddenly the radio acts as should, buttons illuminating works, radio went off by removing the key, and again ON with ignition ON, no more pin entry screen, until I disconnect the radio from power, than it acts again as before and only helps the "trick" with blue connector.

I wanted to print the pin outs out, but it was quite late in the evening, so I decided to send the web link to my work email and print it in the morning at work, but today I've realized, that one of the pin out table is missing (green). Tried it on Firefox, IE and another computer with the same result. Seems like imageshack has deleted the drawing from the server. I probably don't need the green connector pin out at the moment, but I want to print it out completely for future use (hope ovner doesn't bother).
So I would like to ask audifirst if you still have that image on your PC and can upload it again? Even if not, I would like to say THANKS for this detail info about audi clusters.

....and if anybody have any idea about my issue, I appreciate any advice. Some people I discussed with, said it's due to my cluster can't communicate in CAN BUS language and I need to replace it with ones from 2002+ model.

Cheers from Norway
Kadel

PS: sorry for my bad English [facepalm]

[Kadel]

small update: I went down to my car to try another trick I found on other site and it suddenly works as should again.

This was the trick I wanted to try (steps 5 and 6).
1.Turn on the ignition. Turn on the RNS-E if it does not start with the ignition.
2.Press the “SETUP” and “RADIO” (or FM|AM) buttons for a few seconds until the unit reboots.
3.Input the PIN code. The unit will likely immediately return to the PIN entry screen.
4.If the unit accepts the PIN code, skip ahead to Section 1.4 to code the control module.
5.With the ignition still on, input the PIN code a few more times and wait 15 minutes.
6.Turn the ignition off and wait 30 minutes.
7.Repeat steps 1 through 4

It seems I did it unwillingli when I drove to work with radio on (it took more than 15 minute) and then it was parked more the 30 mins with ignition off and now it works and cross my fingers it remain working :-) Maybe it helps to somebody else.
But I am afraid that the VAG-COM problem hasn't disappeared, I will check when I will be home.

Kadel

[A62TURBO]

Bought a nice RS6 cluster for my 03' A6, what am I looking at in terms of retrofit?

[pohsib]

1. Plug it in
2. Change soft coding in RS6 cluster to your cluster's soft code
3. Change mileage to yours via Vag-Tacho (need to change it and pull the cluster connectors off for 15min and it will change when you plug it back in)
4. Enjoy

[A62TURBO]

1. Plug it in
2. Change soft coding in RS6 cluster to your cluster's soft code
3. Change mileage to yours via Vag-Tacho (need to change it and pull the cluster connectors off for 15min and it will change when you plug it back in)
4. Enjoy

After doing a bit of research I found that it is necessary to get a hold of the Immo security pin which is usually only available through the dealer. I dug around a bit and purchased a pin reader and mileage editor on ebay for 120 bucks, not a bad deal as even a professional locksmith charges about 100-150 bucks to retrieve the pin. I can't wait to see how it turns out.

[4rings2turbos]

After doing a bit of research I found that it is necessary to get a hold of the Immo security pin which is usually only available through the dealer. I dug around a bit and purchased a pin reader and mileage editor on ebay for 120 bucks, not a bad deal as even a professional locksmith charges about 100-150 bucks to retrieve the pin. I can't wait to see how it turns out.

Nice mod, you're gonna love it.

[pohsib]

After doing a bit of research I found that it is necessary to get a hold of the Immo security pin which is usually only available through the dealer. I dug around a bit and purchased a pin reader and mileage editor on ebay for 120 bucks, not a bad deal as even a professional locksmith charges about 100-150 bucks to retrieve the pin. I can't wait to see how it turns out.

Right. You have an '03 which has immo3. I take it your ECU tuning retained immobilizer?

[A62TURBO]

Right. You have an '03 which has immo3. I take it your ECU tuning retained immobilizer?

Yeah, Tony at EPL de soldered the eprom from my ECU to flash base file.

[A62TURBO]

Having some issues, I read the pin from me original cluster just fine but now that I plug in the rs6 cluster and try to read the pin it gives me the same pin as my a6 cluster. Any advice here?

[Toomer]

I found an A6 cluster with a perfect lcd display, installed it in my 01 A4, and it worked perfectly except for one BIG problem, the fuel guage reads empty when it's full, and vice versa. Thias happend to me before;I had a 98 A4, and found a cluster at the local junk yard for $5 bucks. The same thing happened! Is there a way to get the fuel guage to read the opposite way?

[mangov]

Hello i need to change my audi a6 2001 2.4 petrol cluster because it stopped working so i want to ask with what kind of cluster i can change it. Mine is 4B0920900R, it is with little display , immobilizaer and have long live service, without bord computer so i want you to ask what to search for any ideas. What is izportant to be from the same gearbox, engine, year or what. I prefer to take some with big display and bord computer can you say what number to search or from what engine and car type i can take it?

[Anders1984]

I have an allroad 03 with 2,7t. I have the european version with the half screen, showing me outside temp and if its time to fill washer fluid and in how many kilometers its time for service.

I want the full screen cluster. I need the new cluster and the wiper switch with the side button. I have vag tacho so i can get my immo pin. do i need to rewire anything?

[jcasseus]

Hello

I just read this and I have the same problem with my cluster. I replaced it by buying a used one but now the vehicle wont start. I live in Albany GA and the closest Audi dealer is in Atlanta 2hours plus away. Is there any other way to program the cluster other then the dealer. Please help

[audifirst]

Hello

I just read this and I have the same problem with my cluster. I replaced it by buying a used one but now the vehicle wont start. I live in Albany GA and the closest Audi dealer is in Atlanta 2hours plus away. Is there any other way to program the cluster other then the dealer. Please help


If you read my first post it is not easy to replace cluster in cars that have immobilizer in their car,
you have three options
a) get it done at dealer however if your used cluster have mileage over 60 miles it can not be changed, and dealer doesn't have that capability to change mileage on used cluster
b) find someone in your state that have tool to program and change mileage and can program the cluster to your car
c) buy your own tools , search around and you will find out what you need to buy

if your original cluster had bad lcd , search around you can find someone can do it for cheap, saving you other costs

[audifirst]

I have an allroad 03 with 2,7t. I have the european version with the half screen, showing me outside temp and if its time to fill washer fluid and in how many kilometers its time for service.

I want the full screen cluster. I need the new cluster and the wiper switch with the side button. I have vag tacho so i can get my immo pin. do i need to rewire anything?

yes you need to rewire the pins, however there is one issue none of the diagrams have pin layout for half screen cluster only full size , you might use pin layout from Vw passat it is possible they are identical

[hexadict]

Damn


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[Niebelheim]

I have now successfully changed the cluster in my MY2000 S6 to a MY2003 S6 cluster.
(My old cluster did have the grey contact, just for the record.)
Everything is working, and all the coding and service info has been transfered from old to new cluster.
However there is one small issue that needs fixing. The fuel consumption in the DIS isn't working. Have tried different coding on different channels, but nothing is working.
Do anyone have any good advice?
Is it possible to "trick" the signal to belive it is a can signal?

[TheAvgBear]

Do any of you know the procedure for converting from Miles to Kilometers? I have an 04 allroad with a MPH gauge cluster. I just purchased a KPH gauge cluster and would like to get it installed

[simmo490]

Hi Guys

I have an Audi A6 2003 that had Jager low line clocks in. the one with the HALF lcd display and only 2 plugs on the back. The instruments went tits up so i replaced for a set of clocks from a 2001. identical apart from FULL LCD but with 3 plugs on back and these are VDO. so anyway plugged in and coded for that car no problem.

The ECU was already immo killed so thats ok. starts and displays ok:

Problem is the display now shows low washer fluid which is ok as i will ground out that pin. it also shows bulb warning. this car has no bulb warning modual. is there anyway to disable this.

Also is there a reliable tool to change mileage as its a VDO D12 and vagdash cannot do this. i may pull 34c86

Thanks

[audifirst]

I have now successfully changed the cluster in my MY2000 S6 to a MY2003 S6 cluster.
(My old cluster did have the grey contact, just for the record.)
Everything is working, and all the coding and service info has been transfered from old to new cluster.
However there is one small issue that needs fixing. The fuel consumption in the DIS isn't working. Have tried different coding on different channels, but nothing is working.
Do anyone have any good advice?
Is it possible to "trick" the signal to belive it is a can signal?


There is no possibility I far I know to get CAN working in no-CAN vehicle

[audifirst]

Hi Guys

I have an Audi A6 2003 that had Jager low line clocks in. the one with the HALF lcd display and only 2 plugs on the back. The instruments went tits up so i replaced for a set of clocks from a 2001. identical apart from FULL LCD but with 3 plugs on back and these are VDO. so anyway plugged in and coded for that car no problem.

The ECU was already immo killed so thats ok. starts and displays ok:

Problem is the display now shows low washer fluid which is ok as i will ground out that pin. it also shows bulb warning. this car has no bulb warning modual. is there anyway to disable this.

Also is there a reliable tool to change mileage as its a VDO D12 and vagdash cannot do this. i may pull 34c86

Thanks


Ground those wires ... and those error should be gone..

[pohsib]

Anyone know how to get all of the LED's to illuminate as if the headlights were on? I made a bench harness and the units powers up but trying to get all of the LED's to light up as well.

Thanks

[audifirst]

Anyone know how to get all of the LED's to illuminate as if the headlights were on? I made a bench harness and the units powers up but trying to get all of the LED's to light up as well.

Thanks

try it and you will figure this out...

[pohsib]

try it and you will figure this out...

Try what? I'm trying to figure it out. I thought that maybe it had something to do with pin 30 on the green connector (dimmer potentiometer) but it doesn't do anything when 12V is applied. Tried pin 16 on the grey connector and added 12V to that, nothing. Anyone have any insights?

Thanks

[SteveKen]

Try what? I'm trying to figure it out. I thought that maybe it had something to do with pin 30 on the green connector (dimmer potentiometer) but it doesn't do anything when 12V is applied. Tried pin 16 on the grey connector and added 12V to that, nothing. Anyone have any insights?

Thanks

I recall that the purple wires that run to all the illuminated interior devices are the 'dimmable' power supply.

[audifirst]

Try what? I'm trying to figure it out. I thought that maybe it had something to do with pin 30 on the green connector (dimmer potentiometer) but it doesn't do anything when 12V is applied. Tried pin 16 on the grey connector and added 12V to that, nothing. Anyone have any insights?

Thanks


I wish I could give out all information but this section was more created for issues of the clusters in the car not how wire them outside of the car

[pohsib]

I recall that the purple wires that run to all the illuminated interior devices are the 'dimmable' power supply.

I've tried applying 12V to the dimmer wire and to the light control wire and nothing.


I wish I could give out all information but this section was more created for issues of the clusters in the car not how wire them outside of the car

You have PM.

[pohsib]

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss257/pohsib/Photo2014-07-3161424PM_zpsf00b1e85.jpg

I figured it out.

[2.7guy]

Hey, when you are looking at the blue connector how does the pin count go?

[2.7guy]

Hey, when you are looking at the blue connector how does the pin count go? is there a place to buy the pin connectors?

[Wayland]

(tachometer and oil temp were not responsive)

At first I would thank you for your research job!

I had solved tachometer problem and successfully installed Cluster 3 into Cluster 2, and even into Cluster 1 (after rewire) in 2 different cars. It's became available after Cluster VAG-COM adaptation in Channel 61 (Powertrain CAN-Bus). Since I removed "engine" from them, tachometer became to work!

[adejuwon]

Hello,

First I’ll like to say very detailed assessment of C5 instrument Clusters (thanks OP)

Am currently looking to change my Cluster, my car currently uses the Cluster 1 already picked up a replacement but I need to know, if it will work plug and play or if I need to get someone to reprogram the cars software.

regards

[arjun90]

How does Audi have the audacity "Not" to Recall the defective digital display clusters across the Audi A6 C5's? There is vital information on the center panel; pertaining to Oil Level, Oil Pump, Window Washing Fluid, Headlight / Taillight Status; Seriously, you'll be driving down the road one day wanting to know the error (beep) that appears on the console. This is rather absurd. Can't Audi resolve this face-to-face with the customer without charging fees?

The typical owner doesn't even have a scan tool; probably doesn't even know they have On Board Diagnostics on their vehicle after all these years, lol.

[Brandon002]

Not only that, they make it almost impossible to swap in a replacement cluster.

Good thing there are numerous places you can take your cluster to ha e the center LCD replaced for around 150.

[arjun90]

Not only that, they make it almost impossible to swap in a replacement cluster.

Good thing there are numerous places you can take your cluster to ha e the center LCD replaced for around 150.
You can pay $150 or convince Audi to initiate a recall/campaign. After replacing my valve cover gaskets, I test drove the car up to 120 miles the following day. I heard beeps from the cluster, but the top portion of the central part of the cluster was completely faded. My first thought was low oil pressure or low oil level. Good thing I had a spare quart handy. However, I was able to park under a tree and could make out the low windshield wiper fluid warning. It could have been worse.

I couldn't find the option in VCDS, but did find a setting in VAG401 for setting the odometer. I believe it's compatible with models other than the C5.

[Brandon002]

There is no way they issue a recall on this. They would have my now as 5h8s issue has been going on since Audi started using LCDs.

[arjun90]

There is no way they issue a recall on this. They would have my now as 5h8s issue has been going on since Audi started using LCDs.
I don't think the newer clusters in the latest models have this issue, correct me if I'm wrong.

Thank goodness they didn't employ OLED's, would have been far worse.

[Brandon002]

I've seen newer cars with wonky LCD's as well.

Obviously more problems with older ones, since they are, well, older.

[batman2.7]

So just to be clear...I read all three pages so far...I have 2000 2.7t..if I swap a 2004 3.0 cluster..the only issue I will have is car key light flashing and possible gas gauge being slightly off?

[batman2.7]

Ok help anyone....I installed the 04 a6 cluster into my 00 a6 although the 04 had the non turbo v6 whereas I have the 2.7...tach doesn't work and was displaying flashing oil symbol on lcd screen...now says press clutch to start....I plugged in my vag 401 xtool and got into the dash which had 8 fault codes...no connection to ecu,gearbox,or radio and acouple other little codes...anyway I can use my xtool to get in dash and fix these issues...or should I just sell the whole thing....I was so happy because the display is like PERFECT but idk what to do...someone please give some pointers on what I should do

[ChicagosPhantom]

Ok help anyone....I installed the 04 a6 cluster into my 00 a6 although the 04 had the non turbo v6 whereas I have the 2.7...tach doesn't work and was displaying flashing oil symbol on lcd screen...now says press clutch to start....I plugged in my vag 401 xtool and got into the dash which had 8 fault codes...no connection to ecu,gearbox,or radio and acouple other little codes...anyway I can use my xtool to get in dash and fix these issues...or should I just sell the whole thing....I was so happy because the display is like PERFECT but idk what to do...someone please give some pointers on what I should do
You have to do soft coding in the cluster.Go to Ross tech and find section and do adaptation.

[audifirst]

Ok help anyone....I installed the 04 a6 cluster into my 00 a6 although the 04 had the non turbo v6 whereas I have the 2.7...tach doesn't work and was displaying flashing oil symbol on lcd screen...now says press clutch to start....I plugged in my vag 401 xtool and got into the dash which had 8 fault codes...no connection to ecu,gearbox,or radio and acouple other little codes...anyway I can use my xtool to get in dash and fix these issues...or should I just sell the whole thing....I was so happy because the display is like PERFECT but idk what to do...someone please give some pointers on what I should do

You can try like other guy said try to soft coding, however from personal experience you might have not have fully functional cluster, 2004 cluster is using partially CAN bus communication system between ECU and radio which 2000 model didn;t have it , so you might not see radio channels in the cluster , and tachometer might not be functional as well, best bet I would try to stick to 2000 and 2001 year model but might have hard time getting in good condition, or if your original cluster suffers from defective LCD, you can have it serviced under $200 or cheaper there are number of people who can do it for you..

[mbagge01]

Soft coding should fix the problem. I have a 2000 2.7t a6 and put a 2004 cluster in with no problem, given the 2000 a6 has no immobilzer. I also just currently installed an rs6 cluster in the car which works perfectly. I just had to soft code it for being in a V6 instead of the V8 it came from.

[batman2.7]

Soft coding should fix the problem. I have a 2000 2.7t a6 and put a 2004 cluster in with no problem, given the 2000 a6 has no immobilzer. I also just currently installed an rs6 cluster in the car which works perfectly. I just had to soft code it for being in a V6 instead of the V8 it came from.

And I am able to soft code with the xtool vag 401?

[batman2.7]

I just tried with my xtool it said coding was finished but I exited out of everything then started the car and still no tach and oil warning on LCD display....fml...

[mbagge01]

And I am able to soft code with the xtool vag 401?

I do not know personally about the xtool but I have no problems doing it with the vagcom software.

[batman2.7]

I do not know personally about the xtool but I have no problems doing it with the vagcom software.

I mean I went into coding and entered in the numbers 00264 for the USA V6turbo engine? At first I entered 00064 and it changed odo to km and the clock to military time then I realized I needed to put 00264 the 2 being USA... but no tach reading and oil display is showing on LCD....

[Blau_RS2]

I have a European 2000 S4 with an immobilizer. Something happened to my cluster and I can no longer communicate with the ECU. Vag Com can't access it. I picked up a cluster from a 2000 A6 from Canada so it does not have the immobilizer. I also had a shop remove the immo check from the ECU so I would not have to deal with any issues. Will the A6 cluster work with this setup? I have some other issues so I haven't been able to test it yet.

[Niebelheim]

I have a 2000 S6 with a retrofit RNS-E, and the radio info in the display is gone. It shows radio info when I start the car, but only for a couple of seconds while the RNS-E is "loading". I tried a cluster from a 03 S6, and the radio info is shown on that. I think all the coding is the same, but maybe I have overlooked something. Can't use the 03 cluster, because the fuel consumption is not working on my 00 model.
Any tips on how to get the radio display working?

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[AFAndrew]

So quick question. My Cluster in my 01 Audi A6 stopped working. The needles don't move and the displays arent coming up. I replaced some leds and when i plugged it back in all of the things started happening? any advise? checked all fuses bought new battery.

[rollerton]

So quick question. My Cluster in my 01 Audi A6 stopped working. The needles don't move and the displays arent coming up. I replaced some leds and when i plugged it back in all of the things started happening? any advise? checked all fuses bought new battery.

Sounds FAMILIAR!!

You got the SKC...just need a to get that used cluster and you should be set [:D]

[nagz]

I do not know personally about the xtool but I have no problems doing it with the vagcom software.

Possibly you could help me out mbagge01? I'm in Portland too, I bought an 05 Allroad 4.2L AT with a replaced dash, it has been programmed to work with the keys, but thinks it's still a MT and says to press the clutch. I believe it's 3rd gen (has silver rings) cluster but the shop guy i brought it to was unable to get it to work (said he sent the correct codes but it wasn't changing anything, and when reading back, it was saying it was correctly programmed?)

I sent a PM but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to since my account is fairly new and they aren't showing up in my 'sent box'.

[hail]

[mbagge01]

Possibly you could help me out mbagge01? I'm in Portland too, I bought an 05 Allroad 4.2L AT with a replaced dash, it has been programmed to work with the keys, but thinks it's still a MT and says to press the clutch. I believe it's 3rd gen (has silver rings) cluster but the shop guy i brought it to was unable to get it to work (said he sent the correct codes but it wasn't changing anything, and when reading back, it was saying it was correctly programmed?)

I sent a PM but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to since my account is fairly new and they aren't showing up in my 'sent box'.

[hail]


Do you have the vagcom tool. I would check what is coded under the engine coding section.

[nagz]

Do you have the vagcom tool. I would check what is coded under the engine coding section.

Ney, I was under the impression they were on expensive side.

EDIT: yeah, confirmed, i thought they were ~350$. I brought mine to a shop here in town hoping to just pay 100-150$ and have it re-programmed but as i stated above that didn't work [headbang]

[NOS]

I hope someone can help me.
I have 2002 S6, which has cluster speedometer is in MPH:
http://nos.planet.ee/Oliver/cluster-UK.jpg
Now i bought a cluster with speedometer in KMH:
http://nos.planet.ee/Oliver/cluster-EU.jpg
Firend tried to adapt the immo code, but new cluster wont let to save it, comes up w. error.
Any ideas?
Maybe Facelift vs preFacelift wont swap?
Thanks

[Niebelheim]

I hope someone can help me.
I have 2002 S6, which has cluster speedometer is in MPH:
http://nos.planet.ee/Oliver/cluster-UK.jpg
Now i bought a cluster with speedometer in KMH:
http://nos.planet.ee/Oliver/cluster-EU.jpg
Firend tried to adapt the immo code, but new cluster wont let to save it, comes up w. error.
Any ideas?
Maybe Facelift vs preFacelift wont swap?
Thanks
I have a 2000 S6, and I changed to a 2003 cluster. However I could not get the fuel consumption to work, other than that it worked fine. So there must something else. I programmed my new immo 3 cluster for immo 2 and it worked fine. Can't understand why it wouldn't work the other way around.

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[NOS]

Strange.
Maybe the KMH cluster is defective then?
Also entering Key adaptation channel end up w. error.
Any ideas? Thanks

[Niebelheim]

Ok, I will try to ask once again because I can't figure it out.
The car is a 00 S6 with retrofit rns-e.
The top of display in the cluster will not show any info from my rns-e. However: when I start my car it will briefly display the track info or radio info and then it will dissappear again. But when I use the oem bluetooth telephone it will say "calling" and the name of rhe person I'm calling.
Why is this the case? The wiring seems to be ok since it's working during calling and when I start the car. Please any help is gratefully appreciated.
I have the latest SW version. Should I downgrade it?
It works fine with a newer cluster..

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[Niebelheim]

I downgraded the rns-e today, and the radio info is shown in the cluster again. But now the software is 360 and i had 650.
Why is there an issue with the new software on the older clusters? Is there a way to fix it?

[Marchell]

There is a way to play with the firmwares of the dashes, that could do the trick, BUT! Always read and save the original firmware before making any changes, otherwise you will trash the dash. I saw a thread on nefmoto with dash firmwares but you need to do the research on the forum there.

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[JMURiz]

Question on my LED center display:

Mine fades to nothing as the car gets warm. In the winter it's good for 30 min or so, in the summer it's about 2 min before I can't see anything.
No pixels are out, but the whole thing just slowly fades to nothing as I drive.

Where does one buy a new center LED cluster, and will that fix the issue?

[Muthe]

Question on my LED center display:

Mine fades to nothing as the car gets warm. In the winter it's good for 30 min or so, in the summer it's about 2 min before I can't see anything.
No pixels are out, but the whole thing just slowly fades to nothing as I drive.

Where does one buy a new center LED cluster, and will that fix the issue?


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I installed 5 of these already, and i didnt had a problem. And for this price....even if 1 or 2 is bad, its not a big deal.

[JUANMIMI]

hello companions please I am a sea full of doubts and I don't know how to continue, I want to change the cluster of my car an A6 DEL 2002 130 CV 6 speeds.
the reference of my cluster is 4B0 920 900 Q (I don't upload photos, I put this link) https://i.imgur.com/1973szx.png[/img[[/IMG].
according to all the information I have is that my car has cluster cambus,
the new cluster 4B0920935D the donor is an A6 sline,
well my question is about the green and blue connector pins, do you have to modify any pin to try the new cluster?
thanks

[Sammyg98]

I have a manual 2000 Audi A6 2.7t and need a new instrument cluster. I found a replacement that was on the same make, model and everything, the only difference is that the replacement was on an Automatic. Would they still be compatible?

[audifirst]

I have a manual 2000 Audi A6 2.7t and need a new instrument cluster. I found a replacement that was on the same make, model and everything, the only difference is that the replacement was on an Automatic. Would they still be compatible?
yes

[JUANMIMI]

hoy he intentado montar mi nuevo cuadro de mandos , pero no a habido suerte. he sacado el pin del cuadro viejo el que esta puesto ahora mismo ,
con el vag k commander 1.4 . en linea k , canal 7 kombi.
le doy a instrumens/ movilizador y no entra, si le doy a ecu meda XXXX. bien he probado con vag com en canal 17 , login pongo 0XXXX y funciona.

bien ahora cambio el cuadro de mandos , vag-k commander 1.4 , linea k , canal 7 kombi.
en instrumens/mobilizador da 19424 y en ecu XXXX.

cambio de cable vag com canal 17 , 11 login meto 19424 y meda error no entra , meto 0XXXX y tampoco entra.
de momento estoy bloqueado , he comprado un cable vag tacho para leer la eepron , pero asta el mes que viene no me llega.
se aceptan sugerencias gracias

[1975audi]

just purchased a 2000 a6, I have a windshield low washer warning, rear and front light bulb warning and brake pad warning.
I've tried fixing and replacing all these issues with zero success.

I know that the brake pad wear is #2 on the blue wire harness
#15 is the wash water level on the gray harness.
but which one number for the front and rear bulb out warning?

Also how exactly do you ground one of these wires to get rid of the warning light?
do i cut and run a wire to # 31? (#31 I believe is a known ground)
or do I just tap the wire ?

[1975audi]

just purchased a 2000 a6, I have a windshield low washer warning, rear and front light bulb warning and brake pad warning.
I've tried fixing and replacing all these issues with zero success.

I know that the brake pad wear is #2 on the blue wire harness
#15 is the wash water level on the gray harness.
but which one number for the front and rear bulb out warning?

Also how exactly do you ground one of these wires to get rid of the warning light?
do i cut and run a wire to # 31? (#31 I believe is a known ground)
or do I just tap the wire ?Anyone??

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