VCDS coding of Audi Drive Select default setting

[rlarsen]

Thanks to schneidfried (http://www.motor-talk.de/mitglieder/aktion/UserDetails.html?userId=976414) @ motortalk.de for showing us how to change the default setting of Audi Drive Select.

http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/endlich-codierungen-drive-select-t2593674.html

All 4 Channels below need to be changed:

[09 – Cent. Elect.]
[Security Access - 16]
[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 63
change to XX

[09 – Cent. Elect.]
[Security Access - 16]
[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 64
change to XX

[09 – Cent. Elect.]
[Security Access - 16]
[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 65
change to XX

[09 – Cent. Elect.]
[Security Access - 16]
[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 66
change to XXWhere XX can be:

1 = Comfort
2 = Auto (default)
3 = Dynamik
4 = Individual

[JSitthi]

Wow this will be very useful - no more switching to Indiv every time I start up the car :D

[Ryan_T]

Can I adjust the default for each element (suspension, steering, tranny) independently? Effectively, creating my own default Individual Drive Select setting without the actual Individual button..??

[B_Boy]

is there a way to change default settings on the A/C system??

[rlarsen]

Can I adjust the default for each element (suspension, steering, tranny) independently? Effectively, creating my own default Individual Drive Select setting without the actual Individual button..??

With this coding you only get a little help each time you start your car, so you don't need to push the switch away from "Auto" to your preferred setting.

It is not possible to change - or get the individual option - without having the MMI menu item, where this is set up (for now - I think - until proven otherwise).

[scottyuk]

BRILLIANT!!!! Thanks so much !!!!

[eboosted]

wow awesome, I wonder if it'll work on no MMI high versions where there's no option for individual setting

[ACowabunga]

I just did this in my car and it works. Ditto on enjoying not having to change to the Individual setting every time I start the car.

[Tifosi]

What about cars with just the Sports Differentials and not the full Audi Driver Select system ? TIA.

[ChrisMT79]

Mine wouldnt let me into the security access I tried the code from this helper
http://trick77.com/tools/mmi2g_vimcode.php#bottom
and still wouldnt work

I was able to enable the menu in my MMI from the hidden menu and its there but I cant select the options :(

[JSitthi]

Mine wouldnt let me into the security access I tried the code from this helper
http://trick77.com/tools/mmi2g_vimcode.php#bottom
and still wouldnt work

I was able to enable the menu in my MMI from the hidden menu and its there but I cant select the options :(

Same, can't get past the Security Access.

[zee007]

If you have 3G, use this code generator and see if you can get poast security: http://trick77.com/tools/mmi3g_vimcode.php

[JSitthi]

I have 2G :(

[zee007]

try a couple of times - some folks need to try a couple of times to get a code that works...

[Nvius]

I just performed this on my car. Both passwords from the Video in Motion site did not work. However, when I started typing in a password within the VCDS prompt, a "bubble" popped up which gave me the security code access #. Odd...but I got it to work!

[DeMOROlized]

I just performed this on my car. Both passwords from the Video in Motion site did not work. However, when I started typing in a password within the VCDS prompt, a "bubble" popped up which gave me the security code access #. Odd...but I got it to work!

VCDS will give you the passcode for most modules in the bubble. The only one I'm aware of that requires a separate code generator is the one for VIM.

[zee007]

You're changing the wrong bit. Byte 17, bit 7, change 0 to 1 coding

My coding in byte 17 is 00011100

switch it to 10011100

NOT 00011110

[ChrisMT79]

I thought I was doing something wrong! Let me go check it and Ill report back.. Thanks Zee!!

[zee007]

I thought I was doing something wrong! Let me go check it and Ill report back.. Thanks Zee!!


No worries - once you're done, call me... I want to ask you about your other settings...

[Nght&Day-B8]

I wish i had Audi drive select :(

[c99]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/Chrisalano22/photo2-1.jpg


Steering = Servotronic (???), does it mean you can have this option for Servotronic ?

How did you get to this, or what Byte/bit is for enabling just Steering ?

[ChrisMT79]

My original coding for byte 7 was 00000001 and byte 8 was 00000000
what should they be changed to based
on this?
Byte 7, bit 5, change 0 to 1
Byte 8, bit 2, change 0 to 1
Byte 17, bit 7, change 0 to 1

[zee007]

Sent you a PM

[c99]

My original coding for byte 7 was 00000001 and byte 8 was 00000000
what should they be changed to based
on this?
Byte 7, bit 5, change 0 to 1
Byte 8, bit 2, change 0 to 1
Byte 17, bit 7, change 0 to 1

I have found the right bit for Steering, but if you change these bits and all of these possibilities in picture are enabled, you did it wrong !!!

[capvag]

I tried to enable ADS in concert radio. I first changed bits that need to be changed...and then channels 63,64,65 and 66. At that point i have to mention that i do not have Audi drive select, so i choose to set value 3 on all four channels. Coding accepted, but no menu appears in concert radio. Is that normal? (maybe it is, i don't know). Then fault scanning shows 2 faults, one is at centr electr (9) and the other is at 56 (radio).

1 Fault Found
03207 - Charisma Switch Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 212
Mileage: 20793 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2010.03.11
Time: 18:19:00



1 Fault Found
03157 - Functionality limited due to Communications Disruption
000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 247
Mileage: 20764 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2010.03.08
Time: 17:00:14

Freeze Frame:
Bin. Bits: 00000000
Bin. Bits: 00000001
Bin. Bits: 00000000
Bin. Bits: 00000000
Bin. Bits: 00000000
Bin. Bits: 00000000
Bin. Bits: 00000000
Bin. Bits: 00000000


Ok i think Address 09 normally pops-up fault due to no carisma. What about Address 56 (radio) ? Can someone recommend how to fix this?

Overall i can not understand if there is any improvement...I could say i only saw a marginal difference in throttle response (even though ECU is chipped) and some improvement in handling? i really have to drive it more to be completely sure. i am confused...

[c99]

It is intermittent error, so erase it.

[ChrisMT79]

I posted this over on S4 but for those that dont frequent.
Well after working with the codes with Zee (thanks again man, your great!) We were able to unlock engine, steering, suspension and sport diff all selectable!
Your coding should look like this, well I have an S4 so hopefully it works for everyone
Byte 7- 00100001
Byte 8- 00111100
Byte 17-10011101
And the result!
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/Chrisalano22/photo-2.jpg

[zee007]

Good chatting to you too Chris - glad we got iot sorted! Here's the (additional) coding:

Byte 8, bit 2, change 0 to 1 (Display Engine in MMI)
Byte 8, bit 3, change 0 to 1 (Display Steering in MMI)
Byte 8, bit 4, change 0 to 1 (Display Suspension in MMI)
Byte 8, bit 5, change 0 to 1 (Display Sports Diff in MMI)

This enables you to modify each of these seetings independently via MMI.

Enjoy!

[Ryan_T]

I'm confused. So you're doing this on a car that has 3G Nav and no Drive Select and/or no sport diff (cause normally they come together)? So what does the Suspension and Sport Diff setting do? nothing?

[ChrisMT79]

No but for those with it they can keep the setting in the MMI and not change it all the time


I'm confused. So you're doing this on a car that has 3G Nav and no Drive Select and/or no sport diff (cause normally they come together)? So what does the Suspension and Sport Diff setting do? nothing?

[zee007]

I'm confused. So you're doing this on a car that has 3G Nav and no Drive Select and/or no sport diff (cause normally they come together)? So what does the Suspension and Sport Diff setting do? nothing?

They don't normally come together. A lot of folks have Premium + specs with just the Sport Diff. For me (with a tiptronic), I quite like having the option now for improved throttle response, and shift changes/points as well as steering firmness. Fact is - this give me an option I didn't have. And it may well do the same for others...

[Ryan_T]

Ok, so even when you don't have the hardware, it will still show up on MMI. I see.

I wonder if it'll show up on my 2009 MMI low. I do have Drive Select. It'd be nice to be able to hack an Individual into my car.

[zee007]

Ok, so even when you don't have the hardware, it will still show up on MMI. I see.

I wonder if it'll show up on my 2009 MMI low. I do have Drive Select. It'd be nice to be able to hack an Individual into my car.

See post 9 - has options for 2g also...

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?349092-VCDS-coding-of-Audi-Drive-Select-default-setting&p=5027374&viewfull=1#post5027374

[ddun]

I have enable this feature but ran into some differences, maybe its just my car or need to update the thread


http://www.sportmotor.cz/a5/07032010224-2.jpg

Activate Audi drive select individual in MMI :
for MMI 2G go to secret menu and in Diag settings, Car menus maske, check Carisma and go down to Accept changes.
(I don't know how it is for MMI 3G and non nav cars)
Restart MMI.


under car menus maske charisma was already checked, in Diag settings, had to go to the first APK (forgot exactly x01, x0B, x0C?) checked charisma in here, save changes then I finally got the ADS Individual menu.


Good chatting to you too Chris - glad we got iot sorted! Here's the (additional) coding:

Byte 8, bit 2, change 0 to 1 (Display Engine in MMI)
Byte 8, bit 3, change 0 to 1 (Display Steering in MMI)
Byte 8, bit 4, change 0 to 1 (Display Suspension in MMI)
Byte 8, bit 5, change 0 to 1 (Display Sports Diff in MMI)

This enables you to modify each of these seetings independently via MMI.

Enjoy!

for me, bit 3 was for suspension, and bit 4 was for steering.

[Ryan_T]

That's the problem, it's for 2G MMI, not 2G non-Nav MMI Low. We are missing the hidden menu, which suggests lacking some more complicated gadgetry inside which may make this all possible. But I'll give it a try anyway as soon as I can.

[ddun]

http://www.sportmotor.cz/a5/07032010224-2.jpg

After this coding channels 63 - 66 are enabled (before this they are not available)

[09 – Cent. Elect.]
[Security Access - 16]
[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 63
change to 04

[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 64
change to 04

[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 65
change to 04

[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 66
change to 04

4 = Individual

Is each channel associated with engine, suspension, steering, and differential? it probably doesnt hurt to have it all on 4 but I only want engine and steering active. I know I know I can choose what is visibly adjustable through byte 8 and bits 2-5 but i'm just being anal


I unlocked everything but its still grey and not selectable. Ive changed 63-66 all to 4 as well

I think it has something to do with the Byte 17, bit 7, change 0 to 1 coding
When I do this it turns off my control lights off. My coding in byte 17 is 00011100 if I switch it to 00011110 it turns the consel control lights off.
Any ideas?
Heres what I have
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/Chrisalano22/photo3.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/Chrisalano22/photo2-1.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/Chrisalano22/photo-1.jpg

also how did you get engine/gearbox? I know you didn't end up with that option in the end but is it possible to activate that one separately too?

[ddun]

That's the problem, it's for 2G MMI, not 2G non-Nav MMI Low. We are missing the hidden menu, which suggests lacking some more complicated gadgetry inside which may make this all possible. But I'll give it a try anyway as soon as I can.

probably gotta snoop around the 56 - radio, and find the right byte and bit to activate it in your menu. like how it was done with DavidB8's ambience lighting find.

[DavidB8]

Sorry I don't think any of this is useful to my car but just wondering if I follow this correctly.

If you have ADS you can preset it so the default is different and if you don't it allows access to certain modules that can be altered because they are the same as ADS cars?

[c99]

All moduls are the same, only cars with ADS have the ADS switch connected to 09-Central Electric.
I have activated engine and steering, it works there are noticable difference between Comfort and Dynamic.

I have found another ADS related channels 67 default is 0, 68 difault is 2 (I have changed it to 4) and 69 which is 600.
I am not sure what is the function of these.

Can someone with ADS try to investigate what channels 63-66 and 68 means, I mean 63 - engine, 64 - steering etc. I don't know.

[Ryan_T]

I tried this last night but failed to get anything to show up. Worse yet, I may have switched an extra bit to 0 when I restored the old values, and now my ADS switch panel is dead. Gotta go bit hunting tonight.

I noticed last night that some bits tht you guys said would be 0 are 1. But I didn't write them down. Doh.

[rlarsen]

I tried this last night but failed to get anything to show up. Worse yet, I may have switched an extra bit to 0 when I restored the old values, and now my ADS switch panel is dead. Gotta go bit hunting tonight.

I noticed last night that some bits tht you guys said would be 0 are 1. But I didn't write them down. Doh.

You can always see your changes in the debug or logs folder in your VCDS installation.

[mgm]

There are 2 things going on on this thread so not sure if we should start another, with ADS or without ADS.

I don't have ADS and have a 6MT with sport package. Would there be any settings for me to change? Only thing I could think of is steering which already has the sport pkg firmer feel and engine maybe increased throttle response?

[Ryan_T]

I can tell you that in my case, 2009 MMI Low (non-nav) WITH ADS, I don't have a hidden menu, and I've been unable to activate any Individual settings. So I fail to see the point of locking the default to Individual. It's funny that people without ADS but with NAV can actually see all the settings just because their internal car computer is more quipped. lol.

[capvag]

Those of you have not ADS (like me) just put value 3 (dynamic) and not individual (4). Do not worry, you can not see ADS menu in concert (only MMI 2g & 3G), but settings are there (inside ECU - stored as default value of 3 - dynamic). Just do it, and if you don't see any difference just go back to stock settings.

[capvag]

All moduls are the same, only cars with ADS have the ADS switch connected to 09-Central Electric.
I have activated engine and steering, it works there are noticable difference between Comfort and Dynamic.

I have found another ADS related channels 67 default is 0, 68 difault is 2 (I have changed it to 4) and 69 which is 600.
I am not sure what is the function of these.

Can someone with ADS try to investigate what channels 63-66 and 68 means, I mean 63 - engine, 64 - steering etc. I don't know.

How do we know that 67, 68, 69 are related to ADS?

[ddun]

Ok finally got to drive the car to and from work. I don't have ADS, but I do have a tiptronic with plenty of mods.

Steering on dynamic feels firm, which is a plus, and I mean a nice firm not like a I just turned my power steering off type of firm. It feels nice and tight now.

Engine/Drivetrain: couldn't really tell a difference. the shifts may have been crisper but its hard to tell if its placebo or not. I never had a complaint about throttle response/lag with current mods so this wasn't a night and day difference.

Conclusion, do it. It's not gonna hurt to have the engine on dynamic, mileage didnt seem to suffer i avg'd 26.7mpg on the way home, and the feel of the dynamic steering is a must have.

[ChrisMT79]

You have the same package as me. It increases your throttle response much and firmness in the steering wheel. I ended up turning off the sport diff and suspension because I dont have a need for it. I think there is a lot of potential in these bytes though and hope it helps some others out there.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/Chrisalano22/photo-3.jpg

[Ryan_T]

Managed to get my ADS back, but still no individual.

[B8_Jim]

Just tried this - thanks to those who posted this info - thought I'd share my findings.

I have a '09 A4, 2.0T, 6MT, Prem+, sport pkg - so Symphony radio, No nav - i.e. MMI-2G Low.

Tried just going straight to the adaption channels - they reported "not available"
Did the mods to Bytes 7,8,17 (only tried to enable engine and steering in byte 8). After this adaption 63-66 were now available and all had values of "2". But I didn't get any menus (not surprising for MMI-2G low from what I'd gathered from above)

I tried changing all 4 to "3" as suggested above for "dynamic". Test drove the car.

"Oh noooooooo..... , what the heck did I do to my car?" Throttle seemed the same, but the steering was very loose. NOT good. Remember I've got the sport pkg which many have said has firmer steering than normal cars. I've not driven a non-sport B8 enough to say.

Came back and changed adaption values from "3" to "1". Steering was back to what I was used to. Phew! Throttle seemed the same as always.

Changed from "1" to "2" - no or only very slight difference - the throttle was perhaps a very slight bit more responsive, but you would be hard pressed to tell - my experience with the 3.2 ADS cars a the audi driving experience showed much larger differences - so I don't think it was different to be honest.

After I got back this time - I logged channels 64,88,89,99 - throttle and accelerator positions/voltages - from the engine ECU in both "3" and "2" adaptation values for 63-66 while I slowly pressed the accelerator down from fully up to fully down. Plotting the results, I can't see any significant difference which seems to agree with my test drives.

So : for my non-nav, non-ads car the only difference I noticed was the steering. The "default" level I had before starting the mods was the best - setting everything to "3" in adaption 63-66 made the steering effort much lighter and was not to my liking at all. I did not try "0" or "4" (individual).

I returned everything to it's pre-mod stage...

BTW - I did have the error codes in 09 for "no charisma module" and "no adjustable dampers" or similar wording.

[ACowabunga]

Good write up Jim and kudos on the whole testing of the system. I know there are a couple variations of the B8 car here in this thread and yours definitely helps those with your particular set-up.

[c99]

After I got back this time - I logged channels 64,88,89,99 - throttle and accelerator positions/voltages - from the engine ECU in both "3" and "2" adaptation values for 63-66 while I slowly pressed the accelerator down from fully up to fully down. Plotting the results, I can't see any significant difference which seems to agree with my test drives.


Of course you see no changes in position and voltage of accelerator, changing 63-66 channels select different maps in the ECU, it doesn't change physical characteristics of accelerator's potentiometer !!! [headbang]

If you don't like it, don't do it.

[audi_s5]

subscribed, great find!

[capvag]

Just tried this - thanks to those who posted this info - thought I'd share my findings.

I have a '09 A4, 2.0T, 6MT, Prem+, sport pkg - so Symphony radio, No nav - i.e. MMI-2G Low.

Tried just going straight to the adaption channels - they reported "not available"
Did the mods to Bytes 7,8,17 (only tried to enable engine and steering in byte 8). After this adaption 63-66 were now available and all had values of "2". But I didn't get any menus (not surprising for MMI-2G low from what I'd gathered from above)

I tried changing all 4 to "3" as suggested above for "dynamic". Test drove the car.

"Oh noooooooo..... , what the heck did I do to my car?" Throttle seemed the same, but the steering was very loose. NOT good. Remember I've got the sport pkg which many have said has firmer steering than normal cars. I've not driven a non-sport B8 enough to say.

Came back and changed adaption values from "3" to "1". Steering was back to what I was used to. Phew! Throttle seemed the same as always.

Changed from "1" to "2" - no or only very slight difference - the throttle was perhaps a very slight bit more responsive, but you would be hard pressed to tell - my experience with the 3.2 ADS cars a the audi driving experience showed much larger differences - so I don't think it was different to be honest.

After I got back this time - I logged channels 64,88,89,99 - throttle and accelerator positions/voltages - from the engine ECU in both "3" and "2" adaptation values for 63-66 while I slowly pressed the accelerator down from fully up to fully down. Plotting the results, I can't see any significant difference which seems to agree with my test drives.

So : for my non-nav, non-ads car the only difference I noticed was the steering. The "default" level I had before starting the mods was the best - setting everything to "3" in adaption 63-66 made the steering effort much lighter and was not to my liking at all. I did not try "0" or "4" (individual).

I returned everything to it's pre-mod stage...

BTW - I did have the error codes in 09 for "no charisma module" and "no adjustable dampers" or similar wording.

Conclusion is you tried but you didn't see any difference. That's good to know for you. I think i must try to find which bit maybe enables menu option for us with symphony. I have two questions for you, You didn't tell us if you see any improvement to gearbox, because i see, as mentioned some people to other forums with 6MT gearbox there is smoother feeling, which is good to have. Also when you say sport package, you are probably referring to servotronic + s-line suspension? I have servotronic but no s-line suspension, now i have KW. steering feels more tight.

[B8_Jim]

Of course you see no changes in position and voltage of accelerator, changing 63-66 channels select different maps in the ECU, it doesn't change physical characteristics of accelerator's potentiometer !!! [headbang]

If you don't like it, don't do it.

I realize what this mod should do, I was looking for accelerator potentiometer voltages vs. throttle position reading : the "input" to the ECU vs. the throttle "output" that different ECU maps would change.

I'm not that familiar with the ECU, so I may not have logged the right channels. If you know the exact ECU channels to log, let me know and I'll try again. I did log both "accelerator potentiometer" value voltages (88,89) and "throttle" values from the ECU.

But, this was more of a confirmation of my test drives - there was no difference in throttle feel. At least nothing anywhere near what I felt when driving an actual ADS equipped 3.2.

And for the last sent - extremely obvious - thanks.

[B8_Jim]

Conclusion is you tried but you didn't see any difference. That's good to know for you. I think i must try to find which bit maybe enables menu option for us with symphony. I have two questions for you, You didn't tell us if you see any improvement to gearbox, because i see, as mentioned some people to other forums with 6MT gearbox there is smoother feeling, which is good to have. Also when you say sport package, you are probably referring to servotronic + s-line suspension? I have servotronic but no s-line suspension, now i have KW. steering feels more tight.

The only difference I felt was the steering effort - setting adaptation values to "3" made it very light, "1" and "2" were normal for my sport pkg car. So don't misunderstand me, when I say "loose" and "tight" relative to the steering, I'm referring to the level of hydraulic power-assist provided. - I don't think there is any hardware that could change anything else on the car.

I don't believe there is anything electronic in the 6MT gearbox to alter - but no, I felt no discernible difference there.

My car only has the sport pkg, not S-line (although I believe the suspension is the same here in the US). It has servotronic (power steering) but not the variable ratio steering input the ADS cars have.

Sorry about not being clear before.

[c99]

I realize what this mod should do, I was looking for accelerator potentiometer voltages vs. throttle position reading : the "input" to the ECU vs. the throttle "output" that different ECU maps would change.

I'm not that familiar with the ECU, so I may not have logged the right channels. If you know the exact ECU channels to log, let me know and I'll try again. I did log both "accelerator potentiometer" value voltages (88,89) and "throttle" values from the ECU.

But, this was more of a confirmation of my test drives - there was no difference in throttle feel. At least nothing anywhere near what I felt when driving an actual ADS equipped 3.2.

And for the last sent - extremely obvious - thanks.

I am not sure you can see it in VCDS, only difference is injection timing (msec.) in the same rpm and the same accelerator angle (voltage), probably. [:)]

[capvag]

I have tried to discover some other options at byte 7, 8, 17. So, at byte7 changing also bit 4 from 0 to 1 did show fault concerning active steering:

03110 - Active Steering Control Module (J792)
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 216
Mileage: 20812 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2010.03.14
Time: 02:23:00

Probably this refers to ADS active steering?

Also at byte 8, bit 4 is the one for dampers and i put it back to 0 since i have not such hardware at the vehicle. I also tried to set back to 0 bit 3 because in my ECU, steering setting appears to be (as described above) at byte 7 bit4. - concert radio Also disabled sports diff. bit 5 back to 0.


I played with 56 -radio and discovered that in byte 12, if someone set 1 at bit0, then startup screen logo changes to S5 logo! If someone sets 1 at bit 1, then startup logo screen appears RS logo!!! And if you set both 0 and 1 bits at value of 1, then you have a logo of S.

[c99]

I have tried to discover some other options at byte 7, 8, 17. So, at byte7 changing also bit 4 from 0 to 1 did show fault concerning active steering:

03110 - Active Steering Control Module (J792)
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 216
Mileage: 20812 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2010.03.14
Time: 02:23:00

Probably this refers to ADS active steering?.

You just have checked the car is equiped with Dynamic steering = Active steering and the Central electric module is looking for Active steering module, which is not there.
It has nothing to do with ADS.

[capvag]

Then, when we enable at byte8 bit3 from 0 to 1, apart from displaying the option in MMI, what is being enabled? Sorry for asking, but now i am totally confused.

Same happens with charisma module, which is also absent...to all of us without ADS.

[DavidB8]

I played with 56 -radio and discovered that in byte 12, if someone set 1 at bit0, then startup screen logo changes to S5 logo! If someone sets 1 at bit 1, then startup logo screen appears RS logo!!! And if you set both 0 and 1 bits at value of 1, then you have a logo of S.

Careful playing in 56. I have an almost complete label file for that module and there are a few things you can mess up in there. Like loading the incorrect maps in the unit or changing your DVD region. The region setting only allows you to change it a few times before it locks.

Other than some screen tests in the adaptation there isn't anything of real interest in that module to report. That's why I never posted anything on it. You can only enable half of any of the MMI menus through coding 56 which is why I didn't post them. I figured they were pretty useless since you still had to go into the hidden menu to enable the other half.

I also located most of the modules being discussed here a little while ago and the coding to enable them but there are a lot missing from the non ADS cars which is why I didn't think anyone would care about them. There is the sports diff, side stability, charmisa, active steering and suspension mag module.

If you guys are turning stuff on during your testing making sure you run an Auto scan when your done. Most of these modules will not through a CEL or code that will trigger a dash light. But they will trigger DCT's. So when your done run an Auto scan and disable any of the modules you've turned on that aren't being used.

Looks like you've discovered anything I could contribute but at least some safe practices to check when your done.

[capvag]

So you say that you found some stuff and you didn't post at all. That's bad. This place is to contribute our findings and not keeping them for ourselves.

Ohhh! no fault at auto scan 56 - Radio. Otherwise i would mention about it...

modules you referring are already mentioned some days ago.... If you can please discover hidden menu in radio concert (if there is one), it would be nice.

Modules that threw out DCT's have been mentioned. Charisma & active steering.

[DavidB8]

So you say that you found some stuff and you didn't post at all. That's bad. This place is to contribute our findings and not keeping them for ourselves.

Your lecturing me about sharing? LOL

Oh boy......

[NPuter]

Your lecturing me about sharing? LOL

Oh boy......

I was about to say the same thing...
I really hope that capvag's comment was sarcastic...

DavidB8 has been BY FAR the biggest finder/contributor of VAG_Com findings on this form....

[capvag]

Had nothing to do with you. I know you have post a lot of things, i just meant that even some codes that we find and are not directly do something useful, is good to know them for further development if that is possible. Sorry if it sounded like i ignore you.

[horchamol]

Hi,

first of all a hello from Germany to you guys. I got an A4 8K 2.0 TDI with no navi (just Concert), no ADS but Servotronic. I tried couple of combinations of the coding but none of them showed any (valuable) result. As I neither have a navi nor an ADS-switch installed I tried to do the required adaptations via channels 63 to 66 (either 1 for Comfort or 3 for Dynamic). I did the coding as suggested by C99 in post #9 plus some additional bits in byte 8. However, I could not recognize any changes in the car's behaviour except one: The steering became a little firmer indepentently of the settings in channels 63 to 66. No changes in acceleration or throttle performance. Then I became curious an tried to find out how ADS works....

I found out, that I receive the "Charisma" DTC as soon as I set byte 7 bit 5 alone (without any other change). If do not change byte 17 bit 7 I do not have the firmer steering. Now I am completely confused. Does anyone of you know what the single bits which have to be changed mean in detail?

@C99: How did you find out what the relevant bytes/bits are?

[capvag]

Did you see this? The say different bits at byte8.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=el&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.audi4ever.at/phpbb3/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D8%26t%3D57407&rurl=translate.google.gr&usg=ALkJrhjUM2nODahDfTnltOtWQK39ButYOQ

Found it at: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=el&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/endlich-codierungen-drive-select-t2593674.html&rurl=translate.google.gr&usg=ALkJrhgoejZyfgv-yDWq7KhPsRCZq-Wlww

[horchamol]

Did you see this? The say different bits at byte8.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=el&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.audi4ever.at/phpbb3/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D8%26t%3D57407&rurl=translate.google.gr&usg=ALkJrhjUM2nODahDfTnltOtWQK39ButYOQ

Found it at: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=el&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/endlich-codierungen-drive-select-t2593674.html&rurl=translate.google.gr&usg=ALkJrhgoejZyfgv-yDWq7KhPsRCZq-Wlww

Yes I did - this is where I came from... ;)
But I am still wondering what the changes in byte 7 and byte 17 are for? As far as I understood the functionality of byte 8 it is just for displaying the menu items in MMI. Nevertheless I can provoke a DTC when setting the bit for suspension (which is missing in my car) in byte 8.

[capvag]

Just tested these bytes at German forums. I enabled at byte 8 -> bits 0,1,2,4. It works (disabled 3 which is dampeners). Only fault is charisma (normal) from byte 7. Now i have to deselect 2 of these 4 bits, because the other two do not needed. Because it says use this bit if the other do not work for engine and steering... Later i ll play again.

Fact is that it works. I have tighter steering now and much more response from engine. I have no ADS, neither MMI!!![:)]

[capvag]

Does anyone already know what channel 68 represents? It has default value 2, such like 63-64-65-66 channels.

[horchamol]

Just tested these bytes at German forums. I enabled at byte 8 -> bits 0,1,2,4. It works (disabled 3 which is dampeners). Only fault is charisma (normal) from byte 7. Now i have to deselect 2 of these 4 bits, because the other two do not needed. Because it says use this bit if the other do not work for engine and steering... Later i ll play again.

Fact is that it works. I have tighter steering now and much more response from engine. I have no ADS, neither MMI!!![:)]

Did you recognize any changes dependent from the values in channel 63 to 66? Especially for steering? Mine is tighter in all cases - and to be honest, the basic setup (w/o ADS-Coding) was IMO the best.

[capvag]

I just have set all channels at 3. I do not know if it depends on channels only, because i have enabled channels and bits all together. Result is perfect for me, steering is tight just like as i wanted. Engine is more alive + ECU tuning makes it really powerful feeling.

If you feel that is too tight for you, just enable only engine bit.

[mgm]

I just have set all channels at 3. I do not know if it depends on channels only, because i have enabled channels and bits all together. Result is perfect for me, steering is tight just like as i wanted. Engine is more alive + ECU tuning makes it really powerful feeling.

If you feel that is too tight for you, just enable only engine bit.

What setup was your car previously? Non-sport, tip? I don't believe it changes anything if you already have sport pkg or manual trans.

[capvag]

No sport package (only servotronic) and 6MT.

[c99]

I don't believe it changes anything if you already have sport pkg or manual trans.

Test first
Write then

[jpbb03]

Hey guys, I've been fooling around with this over the weekend... This is a X-post from another website to try and get more feedback:

Still no luck. Although, I managed to unlock channels 63-66.

Current settings:

Byte 7: 00100001
Byte 8: 01111000
Byte 9: 10011100

Channels 63-66: set at 4

Charisma is checked in hidden menu.

Three Fault Codes were thrown:
03110 Active Steering
00471 Dampner
03207 Charisma

I drove the car for twenty minutes after playing around with the vag-com cable and things DID feel different. Suspension seemed much stiffer, noticeable over any bump I hit. Throtle was more responsive and steering felt tighter. All seemed to be acting in the 'dynamic' mode. But, I still have no options in the MMI menu


Other info: 2009 S5, MMI 2G with nav, No dampners installed

Thoughts?

[B8_Jim]

I drove the car for twenty minutes after playing around with the vag-com cable and things DID feel different. Suspension seemed much stiffer, noticeable over any bump I hit. Throtle was more responsive and steering felt tighter. All seemed to be acting in the 'dynamic' mode. But, I still have no options in the MMI menu


Other info: 2009 S5, MMI 2G with nav, No dampners installed


I did more testing as well over the weekend - Mine is a '09 A4 6MT no nav, sports pkg. Steering can be altered between "very low" and "low" :) effort, and the throttle does seem to be a little bit different, but ultimately I liked the "standard sports pkg" setup the best and I returned everything to what it was. Your opinion may vary...

When I enabled the bits for dampers or steering I did get codes related to those HW parts not being installed.

As for your situation, I'm very surprised you noticed a difference in suspension if you don't have active dampers installed. I noticed no difference and didn't expect to.

[capvag]

Could you explain what you have changed and you have the option of very low and low effort for steering? Also, what did you change and throttle seems different than it was?

[horchamol]

I got some news regarding ADS coding for cars without Navi:
Today I installed the ADS switch and I recognized that Byte 17 Bit 7 is obviously responsible for the Indiviual Mode. If this bit is set my switch has four options: Comfort - Auto - Dynamic and "blackout" (i.e. no illumination of anything). I did not test what happens if I select the "black"-position, but I believe this must be "Individual". However, if the bit is not set, the switch works as expected and the car behaves as expected: 3 positions.

As I do not have the dynamic suspension I coded byte 8 like this: 0x07

[DavidB8]

so if you don't have suspension what are you changing really.. Steering hardness and??

And if I understand this you get extra error codes in Vag from doing this because of missing modules correct?

[horchamol]

...and throttle response. :-)

If you have the Charisma switch (i.e. ADS switch) installed you won't receive any error. Except if you also code bit 3 in byte 8 (which is for dynamic suspension) you will receive a DTC for a missing electronic module for dynamic suspension.

[audi_s5]

Thanks to guys who found this mod and those who have contributed towards it.

Ok i just managed to get it activated on my S5. No standard ADS and MT. Took a few attempts to get it showing up on the MMI. You not only need to activate 'Charisma' in the hidden menu car menus maske Diag settings but i also had to enable it in APK 0x1.
This part i got from the AZ site:
Byte 8, bit 2, change 0 to 1 (Display Engine in MMI)
Byte 8, bit 3, change 0 to 1 (Display Steering in MMI)
Byte 8, bit 4, change 0 to 1 (Display Suspension in MMI)
Byte 8, bit 5, change 0 to 1 (Display Sports Diff in MMI)

Mine was slightly different; to enable the steering in Byte 8 i had to change Bit 4. Bit 3 was for suspension.

Make sure you keep a very close eye on what changes you make as you can screw up settings very quickly and very easily.
Not been out for a test drive yet but will tomorrow to see how it feels

Morski,

Mine was the same

Byte 8 Bit 4 was for steering,, Bit 3 is for suspension

I only changed engine and steering since I have Ohlins suspension(always dynamic):)

Step 1

Secret Menu: ensure charisma checked in Diag Setting, Car Maske, Charisma Checked.

Step 2

Secret Menu: APK Ox1..... select - ensure Charisma is selected. Accept changes.

Reset MMI - Drive Select Menu should show in MMI grayed out

Step 3

09 Central Elec - Long Coding Helper (Note** Bits are 0 to 7 right to left example 1000000 Bit 7 = 0)

Byte 7, Bit 5 Change 0 to 1

Byte 8, Bit 2 Change 0 to 1 Engine in MMI

Byte 8, Bit 4 Change 0 to 1 Steering in MMI

Byte 17, Bit 7 Change 0 to 1

Step 4

09 Central Electronic

16 Security Access

Type in code in pop up ( for me it was 20113 )

Click "Do It!"

Step 5

09 Central Electronic

10 Adaptation

Channels 63, 64, 65, 66

Change Value to 4 for each channel (OEM coding for my car in all channels was value of 2)

Click Save for each channel

Ensure setting of 4 for all channels again

Done!

Hopefully this helps someone as I was confused with all the different posts. Some one should make a chart based on 2G MMI / 3G MMI and options that are available for each car.

[scottyuk]

Well volunteered ;)

[DavidB8]

Ok think I may get in here now. I'm going to order the switch I think, I don't care for having the error sitting in VCDS if I can avoid it. I was going to get the front parking sensors and eventually do the sun shade anyways. May as well get all the switches at once.

[horchamol]

Well, in Germany a new switch and the matching insert are around 75€. At e**** you can find them much cheaper: Klick (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370293806326&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

And the wiring is not a big deal...

[DavidB8]

Well, in Germany a new switch and the matching insert are around 75€. At e**** you can find them much cheaper: Klick (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370293806326&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

And the wiring is not a big deal...

I have NAV so I need the different switches. To bad though that's a good deal for those parts.

So is it the same plug but with just the wires missing for that option? i had a hard time understand the translated german thread.

[horchamol]

Both switches (Nav and non Nav) have exactly the same pinout, they just require a permanent voltage supply, ground connection and a connection to the LIN bus. The only difference (besides form factor / housing) is the additional LED and printing for the Individual mode.

Pinout Charisma switch:
T3m/1 to (OMG how shall I translate these technical terms...) fuse carrier #2 (brown) fuse #2 (5 Amps) located at the passenger site of the dashboard/cockpit. If you have a look at the fuse listing you will find that fuse #2 in carrier #2 is intended for Audi Drive Select.
T3m/2 to Central Electronic Control Unit connector C pin T16b/4 located in the drivers footwell. This pin is already used by other devices (e.g. A/C [air quality sensor, refrigerant pressure and temperature sender], garage door opener control unit, etc.). Therefore you have to split the existing wire somehow.
T3m/3 to ground. For non Nav it is the left ground terminal in the center console (<- right term?), for Nav I don't know by heart. But a ground connection shouldn't be a big prob...

The connectors part number is "1C0 973 119 B", matching wires (including a crimped connector) 3x "000 979 009 E"

[DavidB8]

Both switches (Nav and non Nav) have exactly the same pinout, they just require a permanent voltage supply, ground connection and a connection to the LIN bus. The only difference (besides form factor / housing) is the additional LED and printing for the Individual mode.

Pinout Charisma switch:
T3m/1 to (OMG how shall I translate these technical terms...) fuse carrier #2 (brown) fuse #2 (5 Amps) located at the passenger site of the dashboard/cockpit. If you have a look at the fuse listing you will find that fuse #2 in carrier #2 is intended for Audi Drive Select.
T3m/2 to Central Electronic Control Unit connector C pin T16b/4 located in the drivers footwell. This pin is already used by other devices (e.g. A/C [air quality sensor, refrigerant pressure and temperature sender], garage door opener control unit, etc.). Therefore you have to split the existing wire somehow.
T3m/3 to ground. For non Nav it is the left ground terminal in the center console (<** right term?), for Nav I don't know by heart. But a ground connection shouldn't be a big prob...

The connectors part number is "1C0 973 119 B", matching wires (including a crimped connector) 3x "000 979 009 E"

Thanks for the additional information. I do actually have the wiring and work shop manual for the car and parts access but it's nice when you don't have to go research everything.

Thanks again.

[audi_s5]

Has anyone answered what channels 63,64,65, 66 each do? If you only want to activate steering and engine to individual, would you still change all of these to "4" from the factory "2" setting?

Thanks again, and look forward to seeing the install on the switch.

[DavidB8]

Been looking into this a bit more and still skeptical. I coded everything and can't feel anything different. Given the only 2 things that I could do was throttle and sterring. I do have APR programing so the throttle may be a wash but still feel no difference in the steering.

I was looking into the ADS and active/Dynamic steering and it shows having to have a control module for this function. SO all those claiming their steering has changed, do you have the Active/dynamic control module? From what I can see it's module 1B.

[horchamol]

I don't have anything installed except Servotronic which is not Dynamic Steering. The latter requires an additional control module, maybe "1B". I retrofitted the Charisma switch as I don't have a Navi for the Individual setting. I can confirm that there is a diffrnence in the steering behaviour. In position "Comfort" you can park your car very easily using only one finger. In position "Dynamic" the steering is really stiff. I also can confirm a different throttle response for position "Dynamic" - more or less a "Placebo Chip Tuning" as you got the impression that your car has much more power (which it does not have).... ;-p

ADS is usually sold in combination with either Dynamic Suspension and/or Dynamic Steering. However, if you choose ADS with Suspension it is required to have at least Servotronic. Therefore, I believe you should have at least Servotronic installed in order to feel any differences in steering stiffness.

Regarding the question what the single channles do: Well, up to now I couldn't find out anything, however, "schneidfried" from German Motor-Talk-Forum confirmed that it is required to set all four channels the same value, otherwise it wouldn't work:
Motor-Talk Post (http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/endlich-codierungen-drive-select-t2593674.html?page=1#post23629826).

Here'S the Google translation: "Yes, all are interconnected, and depend on each other .... and not again .... ;) This has indeed made the search difficult and expensive ... Until I finally found out. Each channel controls a gear (ie: Comfort, Auto, Dynamic and Individual) I also had tried out different combinations, but not the desired result, namely, that the setting was saved permanently. If you ride during the last modes had then, that was true then, but after a restart on car ... because in other channels are still the 2 (Default = Auto) store was the yes. Therefore, all channels to be equal, to achieve the desired result. but I'll stay tuned further in order to make transparent the relationship ... Now I rejoice in the outcome first. I hope I can explain to some extent understandable... ;)"

[DavidB8]

So how do you know if you have Servotronic steering? I know, I can look it up but I'm allowed to be lazy sometimes to...

[Il Signor Zetec]

Well, in Germany a new switch and the matching insert are around 75€. At e**** you can find them much cheaper: Klick (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370293806326&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

And the wiring is not a big deal...

Hello to everyone, this is my first post here!

So, with this switch on a manual A4 2.0 TDI, is it a good mod? Are you satisfied from the throttle response and steering hardness regolation?
bye
luca
Italy

[rlarsen]

So how do you know if you have Servotronic steering? I know, I can look it up but I'm allowed to be lazy sometimes to...

Here in Europe you can order Servotronic (standard in Germany from 140 kW) or Dynamic steering with Servotronic as an option.

[DavidB8]

But is there a module or PR code or something I can look for? I'm not so sure I have anything that adjusts my steering because I really don't feel a difference but I would like to look for evidence of the unit one way or another.

[rlarsen]

But is there a module or PR code or something I can look for? I'm not so sure I have anything that adjusts my steering because I really don't feel a difference but I would like to look for evidence of the unit one way or another.

Servotronic should have the code 1N3

[DavidB8]

Never mind, supposedly I have Servotronic. I ran all my PR codes: 1N3 speed-related variable steering assist (Servotronic).

Hmm still not sure why I can't feel a difference when changing it.

EDIT: LOL beat me to it I guess :)

[jpbb03]

My thoughts on this..... I wish I left everything alone and didn't screw around with the stock codes.

I have servotronic steering. I have done the changes as mentioned in this thread. Currently, it feels like I have no power steering. There is no question that something has changed. The real question is, HOW THE HELL DO I GET MY STEERING BACK TO STOCK?. I have changed byte 8, bits 3 and 4 back to zero and the steering is still stiff as hell. I used to be able to turn the wheel with my pinky, now I need both hands to make a tight turn. Since byte 8 wont' change the steering back to normal, it must be the value 4 in channels 63-66. What exactly does value 4 indicate? Individual right? What does that mean in English? It appears my steering is stuck in dynamic and the options in the MMI do nothing. Anyone have any imput on this? I'm starting to get nervous that I permanetly screwed up the steering.

FYI, my current settings:
Byte7: 00100100
Byte8: 00111100
Byte 17:10011100
channels 63-66 set at 4

No Fault Codes Either

Thanks.

[DavidB8]

My thoughts on this..... I wish I left everything alone and didn't screw around with the stock codes.

I have servotronic steering. I have done the changes as mentioned in this thread. Currently, it feels like I have no power steering. There is no question that something has changed. The real question is, HOW THE HELL DO I GET MY STEERING BACK TO STOCK?. I have changed byte 8, bits 3 and 4 back to zero and the steering is still stiff as hell. I used to be able to turn the wheel with my pinky, now I need both hands to make a tight turn. Since byte 8 wont' change the steering back to normal, it must be the value 4 in channels 63-66. What exactly does value 4 indicate? Individual right? What does that mean in English? It appears my steering is stuck in dynamic and the options in the MMI do nothing. Anyone have any imput on this? I'm starting to get nervous that I permanetly screwed up the steering.

FYI, my current settings:
Byte7: 00100100
Byte8: 00111100
Byte 17:10011100
channels 63-66 set at 4

No Fault Codes Either

Thanks.
Byte 8 is strictly for the MMI.
If you want to reverse set channels 63-66 back to 2 in module 9 then
Byte 7, Bit 5 Change 1 to 0
Byte 17, bit 7 1 to 0

So your coding should be
byte 7: 00000100
Byte 17:00011100

[audi_s5]

Servotronic should have the code 1N3

where is this code shown?

[jpbb03]

Byte 8 is strictly for the MMI.
If you want to reverse set channels 63-66 back to 2 in module 9 then
Byte 7, Bit 5 Change 1 to 0
Byte 17, bit 7 1 to 0

So your coding should be
byte 7: 00000100
Byte 17:00011100

Well, thanks for the stock codes as I will probably be heading in that direction. Is there a reason that the MMI will not change the steering? I have three options. Dynamic, Auto, and Comfort, but none of them make any difference. Wasn't this half the reason for this vag-com mod? What exactly would setting those channels to value 3 accomplish? Would that make a difference? Thanks.

[DavidB8]

Well, thanks for the stock codes as I will probably be heading in that direction. Is there a reason that the MMI will not change the steering? I have three options. Dynamic, Auto, and Comfort, but none of them make any difference. Wasn't this half the reason for this vag-com mod? What exactly would setting those channels to value 3 accomplish? Would that make a difference? Thanks.

Yes changing them to 3 should change them. Those channels are supposed to set the default for the ADS.

1 = Comfort
2 = Auto (default)
3 = Dynamik
4 = Individual

My guess is that you are stuck on 3 though or it wouldn't be stiff. 1 is soft and 2 is stock that just leaves 3 for firm.

Audi_S5 that is a PR code that can be found in either the sticker in the front of your maintenance manual or the sticker in the spare tire well in the trunk.

[jpbb03]

I did check the coding for channels 63-66 numerous times and the value 4 is present. Seems weird since it is acting like value 3. Is there any special way (any sequence) to change the settings in the MMI? Does the car need to be off? Can you do it while driving? Does the e-brake need to be set? Do you need to restart the MMI after changing? Sorry for sounding clueless.

[DavidB8]

I did check the coding for channels 63-66 numerous times and the value 4 is present. Seems weird since it is acting like value 3. Is there any special way (any sequence) to change the settings in the MMI? Does the car need to be off? Can you do it while driving? Does the e-brake need to be set? Do you need to restart the MMI after changing? Sorry for sounding clueless.

No idea, my steering doesn't seem to change no matter what I do so we are on opposite sides here.

[rlarsen]

where is this code shown?

I don't have this code my self - I've the code 1N7 which is for dynamic steering.

If you try to build an A4 in the German configurator, you can see which code the servotronic alone has.

I haven't checked my own sticker, but it should also be there.

[B8_Jim]

The real question is, HOW THE HELL DO I GET MY STEERING BACK TO STOCK?.

One thing I can think - you might look here :

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?341174-Macuser-s-post-on-tightening-steering&p=4853587&viewfull=1#post4853587

The changes I got when I changed the "drive select" coding made the steering lighter than my standard sport pkg effort. This change (above link) however made it feel almost like a car without power steering. Kind of sounds like what you are describing. Worth a look.

[horchamol]

Oooppss. Wrong post... deleted

[jpbb03]

No idea, my steering doesn't seem to change no matter what I do so we are on opposite sides here.

Well, I figured out the problem. My steering is back to normal.

If you would like to change your steering, Byte 7, bit 0, change it from a 1 to a 0. That will do it.


B8_Jim, nice find. Thank you. I figured it out myself, but you were completely correct.

[DavidB8]

No I'm not interested in having to use vag to change my steering back and forth. Need to figure out why ADS settings aren't working.

[Il Signor Zetec]

...and throttle response. :-)

If you have the Charisma switch (i.e. ADS switch) installed you won't receive any error. Except if you also code bit 3 in byte 8 (which is for dynamic suspension) you will receive a DTC for a missing electronic module for dynamic suspension.

So, putting the switch, which VAG settings must be modified?
I want to change them before buy the switch, to see if my car modules are all prepared for the ADS switch: I have a A4 b8 2.0 TDI 143cv MY2009 with servotronic and manual transmission

[audi_s5]

All moduls are the same, only cars with ADS have the ADS switch connected to 09-Central Electric.
I have activated engine and steering, it works there are noticable difference between Comfort and Dynamic.

I have found another ADS related channels 67 default is 0, 68 difault is 2 (I have changed it to 4) and 69 which is 600.
I am not sure what is the function of these.

Can someone with ADS try to investigate what channels 63-66 and 68 means, I mean 63 - engine, 64 - steering etc. I don't know.


c99

what does your coding in byte 7 look like? 00100001?
what does your coding in byte 8 look like? 00010100?
what does your coding in byte17 look like? 10011100?

also did your steering work with noticable difference with channel 68 set at 2? I see you changed it to 4

My steering has become noticably lighter with 63-66 set to 4, and bytes changed in 09 as listed above, even with dynamic selected in mmi.

I have also read others changing byte 7 bit 2?? Does anyone know what this does?

I have servotronic steerng PR code 1N3

Thanks!

[DavidB8]

OK Gang, need some help on this one. I and a few others have discovered we are not getting the results that some of you are getting with this change. Most noticeably the steering. All I can think of is there is a setting somewhere that some cars have set and others don't. This would explain why some are feeling the changes and others not.

So to the help. I could really use some long codes from 09 and channel maps of the adaptations. It would be preferable from 6MT cars but the more the merrier as even a mix may help isolate the steering.

The long coding is easy enough you just have to copy it from the long code screen. If you haven't done an adaptation map now is a good time to learn. It's key in finding settings to features from one car to another. You need to 2 things to run an adaptation map. One is the module number in this case it's 9, the other is a security code if one is required to access the adaptions of the module. Module 9 does require a code and I think for the most part it's 20113. However you can get the code simply by going to the security tab of the module and place your cursor in the entry field. The security code usually pops up as most here will already know.

To run a channel map:
Go to start of VCDS
Choose "Applications"
Choose "Controller channel Map"
Enter 09 in the module number and the security code in the next field (20113)
The select "adaptation" and click CSV and GO

Once it's complete you'll save the file and the program will place it in the Ross Tech directory on your C drive in the Logs folder.

Now if you could send me that file and your coding to [email protected] I may be able to figure out how the rest of us can get this working properly.

Thanks in advance to everyone's help and enjoy the lesson on channel map creations ;)

[horchamol]

So, putting the switch, which VAG settings must be modified?
I want to change them before buy the switch, to see if my car modules are all prepared for the ADS switch: I have a A4 b8 2.0 TDI 143cv MY2009 with servotronic and manual transmission

Do you have Navi? I found out that byte 17 bit 7 must be responsible for the ADS-Switch. If you set it to 1 the switch believes to have four positions although the non navi switch just has three. Therefore I think it is sufficient to set in byte 7 bit 5 and in byte 8 I currently have 0x07 and it works. If you don't have installed the switch yet, the only way to change your cars bevaviour is via the adaptations channels 63 to 66. But keep in mind, that changes will in the channels will only take effect when switching on and off your ignition!

[DavidB8]

I have Navi. So I should be fine switching it in the MMI shouldn't I? I was looking at adding the switch but I don't want to add it if I can't get the changes to work.

[Il Signor Zetec]

Do you have Navi? I found out that byte 17 bit 7 must be responsible for the ADS-Switch. If you set it to 1 the switch believes to have four positions although the non navi switch just has three. Therefore I think it is sufficient to set in byte 7 bit 5 and in byte 8 I currently have 0x07 and it works. If you don't have installed the switch yet, the only way to change your cars bevaviour is via the adaptations channels 63 to 66. But keep in mind, that changes will in the channels will only take effect when switching on and off your ignition!

Excuse me, I have symphony radio, NO NAVY, so I think that our cars are two twins[:D]
So, I must buy the switch to have some permanent effects: reading your posts, it's a good choice to buy the switch, right?
So, after buy the switch, I must set:

byte 17 bit 7 (in 09 module?) =1

or

byte 7 bit 5 and bit 8=1 (always in 09 module)?

Or both?
thank you
bye from Italy

[jpbb03]

David, I posted your request on a5oc also. Hope you don't mind, but I figured the more information you get, the better off you would be.

[DavidB8]

David, I posted your request on a5oc also. Hope you don't mind, but I figured the more information you get, the better off you would be.

Not at all since the A4's are having he same problem as the A5's on this one. It will be a common solution I'm sure.

The hardest part about these requests are we are looking for people who have it working to help out which is normally the harder part. Most that have completed the change and have it working don't follow along as much.

[horchamol]

I have Navi. So I should be fine switching it in the MMI shouldn't I? I was looking at adding the switch but I don't want to add it if I can't get the changes to work.

Yes that's correct. With navi just set byte 7,8, and 17 as described and the adaptation channels 63...66 to '4' and you are fine. You should be able to select you desired setting within MMI.

[horchamol]

Excuse me, I have symphony radio, NO NAVY, so I think that our cars are two twins[:D]
So, I must buy the switch to have some permanent effects: reading your posts, it's a good choice to buy the switch, right?
So, after buy the switch, I must set:

byte 17 bit 7 (in 09 module?) =1

or

byte 7 bit 5 and bit 8=1 (always in 09 module)?

Or both?
thank you
bye from Italy

You don't have to buy the switch for testing this mod. However, without it, it will become a pain in the a.. to switch between the different modes. Each time connect VCDS, change all four the adapations channels and "restart" your car. But for testing purposes in order to find out wether a difference in steering and throttle response can be noticed it might be sufficient.

From my point of view it is a nice gadget to have the switch. Especially when considering the cost: ~50€ plus a couple of hours of work (i.e. fun) in the garage. I never would spend 300€ for ADS (which Audi asks in Germany). Another problem of ADS: You will not get it without combining it with either dynamic suspension (835€) or dynamic steering (1215€). **> If you are a geek like me, it will be a lot fun to install the switch, although the "added value" is not that much...

I currently coded the following:

Byte 7 Bit 5 to '1'
Byte 8 Bit 0,1,2 to '1'

[audi_s5]

You don't have to buy the switch for testing this mod. However, without it, it will become a pain in the a.. to switch between the different modes. Each time connect VCDS, change all four the adapations channels and "restart" your car. But for testing purposes in order to find out wether a difference in steering and throttle response can be noticed it might be sufficient.

From my point of view it is a nice gadget to have the switch. Especially when considering the cost: ~50€ plus a couple of hours of work (i.e. fun) in the garage. I never would spend 300€ for ADS (which Audi asks in Germany). Another problem of ADS: You will not get it without combining it with either dynamic suspension (835€) or dynamic steering (1215€). **> If you are a geek like me, it will be a lot fun to install the switch, although the "added value" is not that much...

I currently coded the following:

Byte 7 Bit 5 to '1'
Byte 8 Bit 0,1,2 to '1'

What does bit 0, 1 Byte 8 do?

[audi_s5]

OK Gang, need some help on this one. I and a few others have discovered we are not getting the results that some of you are getting with this change. Most noticeably the steering. All I can think of is there is a setting somewhere that some cars have set and others don't. This would explain why some are feeling the changes and others not.

So to the help. I could really use some long codes from 09 and channel maps of the adaptations. It would be preferable from 6MT cars but the more the merrier as even a mix may help isolate the steering.

The long coding is easy enough you just have to copy it from the long code screen. If you haven't done an adaptation map now is a good time to learn. It's key in finding settings to features from one car to another. You need to 2 things to run an adaptation map. One is the module number in this case it's 9, the other is a security code if one is required to access the adaptions of the module. Module 9 does require a code and I think for the most part it's 20113. However you can get the code simply by going to the security tab of the module and place your cursor in the entry field. The security code usually pops up as most here will already know.

To run a channel map:
Go to start of VCDS
Choose "Applications"
Choose "Controller channel Map"
Enter 09 in the module number and the security code in the next field (20113)
The select "adaptation" and click CSV and GO

Once it's complete you'll save the file and the program will place it in the Ross Tech directory on your C drive in the Logs folder.

Now if you could send me that file and your coding to [email protected] I may be able to figure out how the rest of us can get this working properly.

Thanks in advance to everyone's help and enjoy the lesson on channel map creations ;)

David, I sent log to your email address. I know we need logs from 6MT cars with ADS from the factory and any cars that successfully have mod with engine and servotronic steering working.

[horchamol]

What does bit 0, 1 Byte 8 do?

Well, to be honest, I don't know. I just had two scans of the coding of control unit 09 of an A4 and an A5 equipped with Navi, dynamic suspension, servortronic and automatic gear. They both had 0x0F in byte 8. Bit 3 must be for the dynamic suspension, because I receive an error when set. I assume that bit 0 and bit 2 are for throttle and gear (if automatic) and bit 1 is for steering. However, I did not test this in detail. But I can confirm the same behaviour with byte 8 @ 0x06.

[DavidB8]

David, I sent log to your email address. I know we need logs from 6MT cars with ADS from the factory and any cars that successfully have mod with engine and servotronic steering working.

Thanks Josh, unfortunately we aren't getting any help so far on this one. I have your coding and have it ready to start comparing if we can get some people to provide it.

[c99]

You don't need it if you will exactly follow what has been written. It has already been investigated, my investigation started year ago, so it is not overnight bussiness.

You can only enable ADS (Carisma) for equipment you already have in your car. First you must know if your car has Servotronic or Dynamic steering.

My car has succesfull mod with engine and steering. (Servotronic)

[Il Signor Zetec]

Hello, I copied Horchamol and I added the audi drive select switch on my B8 143 ps TDI: the difference, expecially on the throttle response, is sensible! On the steering wheel the difference seems to be lighter, but I think because the stiffness change is gradual.
I have three questions:
- when I push the switch, after comfort, auto and dynamic there is a empty position (for individual in the MMI cars): in this case, which setting is there in this position in my case (without NAV)?
- Is it possible to set the dynamic position as standard?
- why, when I check the channel 63-66, in the different switch positions the value is always 2?

[horchamol]

1. This is because you also coded Byte 17 Bit 7 which is, as you guessed correctly, useless for non-NAV cars. I did not test what will happen, sry.
2. Yes it is possible, change channels 63 to 66 to '3'
3. I have no idea why all four channels have to have the same value, however this is just the default and not the current selection.

[Il Signor Zetec]

1. This is because you also coded Byte 17 Bit 7 which is, as you guessed correctly, useless for non-NAV cars. I did not test what will happen, sry.
2. Yes it is possible, change channels 63 to 66 to '3'
3. I have no idea why all four channels have to have the same value, however this is just the default and not the current selection.

thank you very much!
I will try to mod this settings tomorrow!
bye

[DavidB8]

So do non nav cars have to have buttons to change settings then as where NAV cars can use the MMI?

[NPuter]

So do non nav cars have to have buttons to change settings then as where NAV cars can use the MMI?

With MMI (and w/o buttons) you set the default ADS to Individual and then configure it through MMI

Without MMI (and w/o buttons) you can only set the default ADS to Comfort Auto or Dynamic and then its stuck there - you cant change it to individual because the radio MMI does not support it

However, if you install buttons on non-nav - you can change the mode that way (the buttons are below the gear selector where the MMI controls would otherwise be...

[horchamol]

EDIT: NPuter was faster.....

More or less.... If you want to change settings without connecting VCDS every time, you either must have the switch installed in non nav cars or you can use Individual as default setting in nav cars. The latter of course provides much more comfort, because you are able to configure your - as the name says - indivdiual settings. E.g. steering set to Comfort and throttle response to Dynamic. Non nav cars with switch installed can only select between Comfort, Auto and Dynamic which has influence on all functions (steering, throttle response and if installed dampers and automatic gear will have the same setting).

Additional information on the settings and their behaviour can be found in the car manual under Audi Drive Select.

[DavidB8]

Well that sucks for non MMI cars but not the end of the world.

Looks like my DIY will need a bit of tweaking for non Nav cars.

Horchamol, you can tell me specifically what you cahnged on your car. I know you don't have Nav so this will help me get the differences between the two straight in mind before I complete my write up. Obviously non of the menu items need to be selected since you can't access them.

[horchamol]

Well, I am not pretty sure of the meaning of the specific bits that have to be changed. Although I might have stated differently in this thread, today I believe the following:

Byte 7, bit 5 is for activating the charisma switch in general - if you do not have installed the switch, you will receive a fault / an error
Byte 8, bit 0 to 5(?) will activate both, the functionality itself and the menu items in nav cars; i.e. you have to set some bits otherwise you won't have any effect - I have set bit 1 and bit 2 for steering and throttle and they work perfectly ;-)
Byte 17, bit 7 is IMO for "telling" the switch that it has not just three positions (Comfort-Auto-Dynamic). If this bit is not activated and you have the switch installed it is not possible to "rotate" the selection; i.e. if you have for instance selected Dynamic (which is the most right position) you cannot press again the right button in order to switch to Comfort (which is the most left position) **> no changes occur. However, if this bit is activated and you have the non nav switch installed the following happens: Selected mode shall be again Dynamic **> press the right button **> switch illumination turns off as there is no Individual LED or bulb mounted **> pressing right button again **> Comfort is selected. This led me to the assumption that Byte 17 bit 7 is only necessary in nav cars.

[Il Signor Zetec]

well, I putted the channels 63-66 to 3 to make dynamic as default and I selected the byte 17 bit 7=0, to cancel the empty position on the switch.
Thank you Horchamol!!

[NPuter]

horchamol: is your car non-nav?
and you have installed the ADS switch, correct?

Would you mind explaining the install process?

[horchamol]

Yes it non nav with retrofitted ADS switch, but - OMG - this will be a tough task explaining in English what to do....

I already posted something about that topic in the German Motor-Talk Forum. I tried to translate my post with Google, but in my opinion a native English speaker will have problems with this trasnlation, especially because some words will not be translated. If you want to give it a try: http://translate.google.de/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motor-talk.de%2Fforum%2Fendlich-codierungen-drive-select-t2593674.html%3Fpage%3D12%23post24150831&sl=de&tl=en

Otherwise please let me know how experienced you are. I mean is it enough to write "remove the glove box" or would you need a PDF explaining step by step where you find the relevant screws for removing it?
However, it is not a big deal to retrofit the switch.

[NPuter]

Yes it non nav with retrofitted ADS switch, but - OMG - this will be a tough task explaining in English what to do....

I already posted something about that topic in the German Motor-Talk Forum. I tried to translate my post with Google, but in my opinion a native English speaker will have problems with this trasnlation, especially because some words will not be translated. If you want to give it a try: http://translate.google.de/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motor-talk.de%2Fforum%2Fendlich-codierungen-drive-select-t2593674.html%3Fpage%3D12%23post24150831&sl=de&tl=en

Otherwise please let me know how experienced you are. I mean is it enough to write "remove the glove box" or would you need a PDF explaining step by step where you find the relevant screws for removing it?
However, it is not a big deal to retrofit the switch.

Yea - It is kinda hard to understand...
I believe David is creating a DIY for this...

One question - do you have to remove the whole center console?

[horchamol]

No that's not necessary. You just have to remove cover around the gear stick. Have look at this PDF **> http://www.gsbg-tuning.de/mittelkonsoleaudib8.pdf The pictures show that is quite easy to remove the cover, although their goal is to retrofit a 230V-power plug in the back of the car. Additionally you have to remove the ashtray in order to install the wires more easily. In the linked PDF you'll find this under "5. Schritt", the two red arrows show the screws. But that's not all, because you have to connect the ADS-switch somehow with the car's electronic.
The ADs switch has three pins. Ground, LIN-Bus and 12V power. Ground can be found close to the ADS-switch, there a some screws connecting the gear-stick-stuff with the autobody. The LIN-Bus is located at ECU #9 Central Electronic in the driver's footwell. In order to get there you have to remove the cover under the steering wheel (3 screws, one hiding behind the left side fuse carrier cover). Unfortunately the pin for connecting the LIN-bus is already used by the airconditioning but my primary goal was to do the retrofit completely removeable without leaving any mark. I.e. I did not want to cut any existing wires. Therefore I built my own adaptors for the connectors of the ECU **> "make two pins out of one". The original ADS-switch receives power from the passenger side fuse carrier which I chose as well. **> Remove glove box, install wire from fuse carrier and you are ready to go.

[guy013]

i recently installed coilovers KW V3 on my ADS-equipped A4B8. KW has a canceller kit to get rid of the CEL (which is probably just a resistor kit) which i also bought and installed. All was fine for the 1st few days until today when i got a SUSPENSION FAULT on my DIS. Scanned with vagcom and extracted this:


Friday,04,June,2010,15:39:15:13314
VCDS Version: Release 908.0

Address 14: Susp. Elect. Labels: None
Control Module Part Number: 8R0 907 364 B HW: 8K0 907 364
Component and/or Version: DAEMPFUNGS-SG H09 0053
Software Coding: 010181
Work Shop Code: WSC 06325 000 00000
2 Faults Found:

00142 - Left Front Dampening Adjustment Valve (N336)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 11
Mileage: 6518 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2010.06.04
Time: 15:38:25

Freeze Frame:
Bin. Bits: 00000000 10000000

03264 - Functionalty Shut Off
000 - - - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 11100000
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 11
Mileage: 6518 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2010.06.04
Time: 15:38:25

Freeze Frame:
Error Code: 8
Bin. Bits: 00000000



i could probably email KW germany but i doubt that i would get help as fast as if i post here.

my question is would it be possible to disable susp-elecs via VAGCOM so that i dont get the error code anymore. It reappears as soon as I clear the codes.

There is no long coding available under SUSP-ELEC. so i didn't want to click around just in case i damaged something else.

[DavidB8]

You can't just disable something in VCDS. You can uncode it but it will still give you an error. The error just changes to improperly coded module. If it were me I would be unplugging the module and then removing the codes from the other modules. Kind of the reverse of a retrofit.

[awhk82]

No that's not necessary. You just have to remove cover around the gear stick. Have look at this PDF **> http://www.gsbg-tuning.de/mittelkonsoleaudib8.pdf The pictures show that is quite easy to remove the cover, although their goal is to retrofit a 230V-power plug in the back of the car. Additionally you have to remove the ashtray in order to install the wires more easily. In the linked PDF you'll find this under "5. Schritt", the two red arrows show the screws. But that's not all, because you have to connect the ADS-switch somehow with the car's electronic.
The ADs switch has three pins. Ground, LIN-Bus and 12V power. Ground can be found close to the ADS-switch, there a some screws connecting the gear-stick-stuff with the autobody. The LIN-Bus is located at ECU #9 Central Electronic in the driver's footwell. In order to get there you have to remove the cover under the steering wheel (3 screws, one hiding behind the left side fuse carrier cover). Unfortunately the pin for connecting the LIN-bus is already used by the airconditioning but my primary goal was to do the retrofit completely removeable without leaving any mark. I.e. I did not want to cut any existing wires. Therefore I built my own adaptors for the connectors of the ECU **> "make two pins out of one". The original ADS-switch receives power from the passenger side fuse carrier which I chose as well. **> Remove glove box, install wire from fuse carrier and you are ready to go.

In this case, would it be easier to connect the LIN-Bus wire of the ADS switch to the back of the air con switch instead of wiring it all the way to module 09?

[jabicho]

My car has no sevotronic, MMI or adjustable suspension, just basic trim.I assume that the only thing I could do about this one is change engine response...could someone post the coding for changing engine to dynamic mode in basic trim cars like mine?? I´d be glad to try if it works..thanxx

[NPuter]

In this case, would it be easier to connect the LIN-Bus wire of the ADS switch to the back of the air con switch instead of wiring it all the way to module 09?

that makes more sense... - Isn't that where xcarlink gets its LIN-Bus connection?

[DavidB8]

Depends on how you want to install it. You can splice all three wires there if you want. But if your going to go to the drivers side kick panel (or passenger side) for power then why not make a small harness and take all three wires there and splice at the source.

I will be showing more than one method of installation during the DIY. Which is well under way but much larger than I ever thought it would be with the wiring options. I'm not into the quick splice and run but I do try to show all options. I'm already up to 3 pages for this DIY and only a small portion is required depending on your installation method.

I have hooked my switch up on temp basis just to confirm it works and all I can say is Audi really needs to cut back the brightness on the selected option. Boy do those things throw some light.

This was with my exposure turned down two Full stops.

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy205/DavidB8/IMG_1131.jpg

Oh and for those with MMI I have figured out a way that you can order just one button set instead of both saving you some money. More to come...

[horchamol]

Yep, you just have to buy the ADS switch for right hand drive cars... ;)

[DavidB8]

Wouldn't have saved me any money since I was adding the front parking sensors and trying to add the roller blind but for everone else it will. Only thing is, the only place I know you can get the switch in North America will be ECS tuning. They are the only people that have a proper direct Euro parts line right now.

8K2 959 674 E V10

http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_A4-Quattro-2.0T/Search/8K2_959_674_E_V10/

Your not going to save a lot over someone like genuine for both switches but every little bit helps I guess. The only thing to note is your buttons will be on the wrong side to a regular NA car.

[NPuter]

Nice work David! I hope you are keeping us non-mmi people in mind [;)]

It looks like I will be doing this - I have found the part I need, and it does not involve pulling the whole console, so it should not be too hard...

[DavidB8]

Nope, ignoring the non MMI people.

Actually the non MMI people are the ones that will benifit the most. I can't address the non MMI directly since I am MMI but it's all the same and the install is easier.

[NPuter]

Nope, ignoring the non MMI people.

Actually the non MMI people are the ones that will benifit the most. I can't address the non MMI directly since I am MMI but it's all the same and the install is easier.

awesome! can't wait!

[awhk82]

You are just super, David!!

[pmunger]

OK Gang, need some help on this one. I and a few others have discovered we are not getting the results that some of you are getting with this change. Most noticeably the steering. All I can think of is there is a setting somewhere that some cars have set and others don't. This would explain why some are feeling the changes and others not.

So to the help. I could really use some long codes from 09 and channel maps of the adaptations. It would be preferable from 6MT cars but the more the merrier as even a mix may help isolate the steering. ...



David,

I emailed this to you earlier this week, let me know if you didn't get it, or need more info.

[jabicho]

Can anybody tell me if this coding is correct for changing engine mode to "dynamic" on a non-MMI , no sevotronic car? I just want to be sure I understood this after reading all posts, everything is quite confusing here with so many combinations of cars...any help is welcomed:

STEP 1

Coding 09-Central electric:

Byte 7 Bit 5 to '1' (charisma enabled)
Byte 8 Bit 0,1,2 to '1'(engine enabled)

STEP 2

[09 – Cent. Elect.]
[Security Access - 16]
[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 63
change to 03

[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 64
change to 03

[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 65
change to 03

[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 66
change to 03

3 = Dynamic mode

[jabicho]

anybody there? Am I right?

[horchamol]

I already told you in a PM that I don't know by heart, but it is only one bit! It's either bit 1 or bit 2 in byte 8. Those bits are responsible for engine and steering. Just try bit 1 and test, afterwards bit 2. For engine it is only necessary to flip ONE bit! Please note: If you didn't retrofit the ADS switch, changes will take effect not before switching off and on ignition!
SCHLAND!!!!

[miscio]

Hello Horchamol
I read your post about ADS, I bought a new switch, I connect wires ... black nut on the mass near the gear lever .. good standing in the fuse box on No. 2 prepared by Audi ... other wire to pin 09 on the central wire 4sull 16t / 4, there was already a thread of purple as you and I did a bypass. Tried with test test electrical current are OK. Encoded Central 09 byte 07 bit 5 **-> 0-1
Byte 08 Bit 0 1 2 0-1 ****-> byte 17 by default. Modified channel 63-64-65-66 to 3 (dynamic).
Change on the steering feel and engine response but the button does not light and does not work like I error Vag of NO SWITCH MODULE INSTALLED CHARISMA.
From this error it is clear the unit does not detect the button (switch)
You can help me many many thanks ??????????''
I already disassembled and rebuilt many times throughout, I tried another swith but nothing works .... no ,.... I can not sleep at night ::::)))))
My car A4 TDI 2.0 143 cv multitronic servotronic, NO nav, model my2010

[miscio]

I repeat encoding : 09......byte 7 bit 5 0-****>1 byte 8 bit 012 0 ****> 1 byte 17 default channel 63 64 65 66 to 3 ( dynamic )

[horchamol]

Well, your coding seems to be correct, however I am not sure regarding bit 0 in byte 8 because I have a manual gear. Are you sure your wiring is correct (T3m/1 red/purple > passenger side, fuse carrier 2, fuse 2; T3m/2 purple > Central electronic J519, T16b/4 - LIN bus; T3m/3 brown > Ground)? Did you insert a fuse? Do you have a 12V signal at the switch? Is your ground connection ok?

[miscio]

Many thanks for your reply.
I tried the switch wires with a tester
Ground- brown is OK
Purple wire central J519 is current with the car off and no key .... OK
Purple-red thread is running .... OK
I do not know where mistake ::::((((((

[horchamol]

So if you have power (i.e. 12V and ground connection) then the problem might be at the LIN-bus. How did you test the LIN-bus?

[eboosted]

Has anyone been succesful trying to recode the DIS from liter/100 kilometers to MPG???

[rlarsen]

Has anyone been succesful trying to recode the DIS from liter/100 kilometers to MPG???
It has been answered in the coding thread - this thread is about the ADS....

But, it has been done from l/100 km -> km/l: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/278256-Cool-VAG-COM-codes?p=5303972&viewfull=1#post5303972 and here is how to reset MMI after the change: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/278256-Cool-VAG-COM-codes?p=5315644&viewfull=1#post5315644

[jabicho]

Can anybody tell me if this coding is correct for changing engine mode to "dynamic" on a non-MMI , no sevotronic car? I just want to be sure I understood this after reading all posts, everything is quite confusing here with so many combinations of cars...any help is welcomed:

STEP 1

Coding 09-Central electric:

Byte 7 Bit 5 to '1' (charisma enabled)
Byte 8 Bit 0,1,2 to '1'(engine enabled)

STEP 2

[09 – Cent. Elect.]
[Security Access - 16]
[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 63
change to 03

[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 64
change to 03

[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 65
change to 03

[Adaptation - 10] -> Channel 66
change to 03

3 = Dynamic mode



well, I can tell you that some of my collegues at audisportiberica.com have tried this coding and after adaptations in channels 63-66 you can revert original coding in byte 7 and 8 to avoid "charisma " fault, it works!!

[miscio]

I have made with current meters.
Current is OK
motor cars on or off 12 volts is OK
This is a good thing?

[horchamol]

OMG please don't mix up current and voltage....

As far as the LIN bus is concerned you should know that it is a serial bus with data rates up to 19,2 kBd. A regular multimeter is not suited for measuring or displaying digital signals...

You wrote that you also had to build an adaptor in order to connect the ADS switch to J519. I mean, in your car there was already a wire connected to pin 4 of connector C of J519 before you retrofitted the switch, right? Assuming that your installation causes "trouble" now (whatever the reason may be), you should also have communication problems with the other devices conneted to the LIN bus. According to my documentation of J519 the 4th pin of connector C may be used by following devices (independent of your configuration):

Pin 4: LIN 2 (Charisma switch module -E592, air quality sensor -G238, refrigerant pressure and temperature sender -G395, garage door opener control unit -J530, front left seat ventilation control unit -J799, front right seat ventilation control unit -J800)

This means if there is a problem with your LIN bus, the other devices should generate error-messages as well or at least they should not work as expected. Did you check if there are any other error messages e.g. in ECU 8 (air condition)?

[jabicho]

well, I can tell you that some of my collegues at audisportiberica.com have tried this coding and after adaptations in channels 63-66 you can revert original coding in byte 7 and 8 to avoid "charisma " fault, it works!!

Bad news again...it doesn´t work, the fact that adaptation channels remain with "3" value even if you set bytes 7 and 8 to default led us to believe that ADS was still on, but the fact is that the car behaves as usual...we´ll keep trying to find a way to avoid this nagging fault, sorry for this

[miscio]

I did not know on this tension.
I did scan with VAG ...... no errors on climate
But every time I hear a noise coming from the climate .... is a clonc clonc it stops if I remove the loop automatically. But not always does, then conclude that the ADS would alternate running with malfunctioning climate, but it never works.
It could be video module XCARLINK that interferes on it??

[c99]

You can avoid "the Carisma error" only by adding the Carisma switch, no other way, that's it.

[c99]

I did not know on this tension.
I did scan with VAG ...... no errors on climate
But every time I hear a noise coming from the climate .... is a clonc clonc it stops if I remove the loop automatically. But not always does, then conclude that the ADS would alternate running with malfunctioning climate, but it never works.
It could be video module XCARLINK that interferes on it??

Activation of ADS has nothing to do with Climate control module.

[jabicho]

Depends on how you want to install it. You can splice all three wires there if you want. But if your going to go to the drivers side kick panel (or passenger side) for power then why not make a small harness and take all three wires there and splice at the source.

I will be showing more than one method of installation during the DIY. Which is well under way but much larger than I ever thought it would be with the wiring options. I'm not into the quick splice and run but I do try to show all options. I'm already up to 3 pages for this DIY and only a small portion is required depending on your installation method.

I have hooked my switch up on temp basis just to confirm it works and all I can say is Audi really needs to cut back the brightness on the selected option. Boy do those things throw some light.

This was with my exposure turned down two Full stops.

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy205/DavidB8/IMG_1131.jpg

Oh and for those with MMI I have figured out a way that you can order just one button set instead of both saving you some money. More to come...


One of my collegues at audisportiberica.com (javiii) claims that he´s found the way for the buttons of the ADS switch to glow correctly, he´s found the coding on MODULE 9, BYTE 19.This is the way it looks like now, all ADS options glowing but the chosen one is highlighted:
http://www.audisport-iberica.com/foro/uploads/monthly_07_2010/post-10366-1280577944.jpg

And this is the result:

http://www.audisport-iberica.com/foro/uploads/monthly_07_2010/post-10366-1280578058.jpg

hope it helps, cheers[:D]

[cjc81]

Hey Guys,

My car has ADS, but on non-MMI (symphony radio). Would it make sense for me to default to "Individual", and set the rest of the settings via VAGCOM? (Since i cannot access them via the ADS MMI menu.)

Cheers.

[2005guidorosso]

Hello, someone can tell me where i can buy the switch and cover for ads retrofit???
Thanks all

[NPuter]

Hello, someone can rell me where i can buy the switch and cover for ads retrofit???
Thanks all

Is your car MMI or non MMI... Let me know, I can get the part numbers for you

[2005guidorosso]

My car is non MMI....and i don't know where buy the component..
Thanks

[FrankTheTank]

They don't normally come together. A lot of folks have Premium + specs with just the Sport Diff. For me (with a tiptronic), I quite like having the option now for improved throttle response, and shift changes/points as well as steering firmness. Fact is - this give me an option I didn't have. And it may well do the same for others...

Ok so i have a question. I have a 2011 Audi S4, premium plus with 3G Nav, no sports diff. or ADS. So is this mod of activating ADS possible on my car? Also is sports rear diff just a setting that can be activated too with the Vag-Com/VCDS codes or do i actually have to have sports rear diff hardware installed on my car? Thanks for your help on this guys.

[NPuter]

Ok so i have a question. I have a 2011 Audi S4, premium plus with 3G Nav, no sports diff. or ADS. So is this mod of activating ADS possible on my car? Also is sports rear diff just a setting that can be activated too with the Vag-Com/VCDS codes or do i actually have to have sports rear diff hardware installed on my car? Thanks for your help on this guys.

For rear diff. I believe you have to have it - it is not just a coding thing...

Things like steering and throttle can be adjusted with coding...

[FrankTheTank]

For rear diff. I believe you have to have it - it is not just a coding thing...

Things like steering and throttle can be adjusted with coding...

Gotcha, so i cant just activate the Sports rear diff. because i didnt have that option installed on my car, but i can at least activate the Audi Drive Select using the vag-com/vcds coding , correct? Thanks in advance for you reply NPuter!

[hawc1506]

Hey is there an update on this post? A DIY document perhaps? Really looking forward to this!

[NPuter]

Hey is there an update on this post? A DIY document perhaps? Really looking forward to this!

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/433578-Compiled-Drive-Select-VAG-COM-codes

[DavidB8]

I have a DIY about 75% done. I'll complete it sooner or later. However I think between here and the other post you can probably get most of the information you need if your impatient.

[mike1983]

Hello,

Can someone tell me if I could enable ADS on my car (Audi A8 3.0 TDI, 2006, MMI 2G HIGH, NAV)?

I managed to activate in the hidden menu the option Charisma and in my MMI menu appear ADS, but is inactive (gray).

It remains to do and the other encodings, but there are too many options change and I would be very helpful guidance to those who have succeeded.

Thank you,

[EvilBunny]

ok, so i have a B8 A4 avant Sline with Nav.

when i coded the extrerior and interior lights steering went to shit. reading through here, everyone seems to want the heavier steering. i can not get channels 63-66 to work, says NA.

how can i code the steering back to stock and keep the lighting changes?? plain and straight please lol

[rlarsen]

ok, so i have a B8 A4 avant Sline with Nav.

when i coded the extrerior and interior lights steering went to shit. reading through here, everyone seems to want the heavier steering. i can not get channels 63-66 to work, says NA.

how can i code the steering back to stock and keep the lighting changes?? plain and straight please lol
Just reverse what you have coded - but keep the coding for the lighting.

If you can't remember what you have coded, then have a look in the <ROSS_TECH_INSTALL_PATH>/Logs or <ROSS_TECH_INSTALL_PATH>/Debug folder - where you'll find the old codings.

[horchamol]

Accessing channels 63 to 66 requires a "security access" - VCDS offers this functionality. Instead of clicking "Adaptation - 10" click "Security Access 16" first. You have to enter the pin which will appear when moving your mouse over the edit box. I don't know by heart, but it must be around 20113. Afterwards click "Adaptation - 10" and you'll be able to change the settings.
However, these channels will only show up when you coded the ECU accordingly. I.e. first code Drive Select and then try to access channels 63 to 66.

[Greg4os]

I am double posting this as the other thread on the subject seems dead. I have done this to my car and can change the Audi Drive Select Individual in the MMI.

I have done the coding (along with the necessary Cent Elect and Adaptation Channels):
Byte 7, bit 5. 0 > 1
Byte 8, bit1 0 > 1
Byte 8, bit 2 0 > 1
Byte 17, bit 7, 0 > 1

While the steering is noticeably stiffer under Dynamic, there is absolutely no difference to Engine / Gearbox when set to Dyamic. No sharper throttle response, nothing. Seems no one has actually got this to work with any reasonable benefit. Some say they think there might be a slight change to the engine performance, throttle response. I say "bollocks"- either there is a noticeable difference or it's imagined...

2012 Q5 Stronic 2.0T with MMI 3G, Any ideas, much appreciated!

[Frinkferta]

I had a friend activate ADS for my nav 2011 b8. When I drove off, I noticed the car was in S mode when I was in fact in D. I switched to S, car stayed in S. switched back to D, car stayed in S. switched to M, car stayed in M. Switched back to D, car was in S mode.

We must have hit a wrong button somewhere when coding. What could have caused this?

Thanks in advance!


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[ed@mtl]

I had a friend activate ADS for my nav 2011 b8. When I drove off, I noticed the car was in S mode when I was in fact in D. I switched to S, car stayed in S. switched back to D, car stayed in S. switched to M, car stayed in M. Switched back to D, car was in S mode.

We must have hit a wrong button somewhere when coding. What could have caused this?

Thanks in advance!


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It could be that you did this:

[09 - Cent Elect.]
Byte 8 Bit 0 Change 0 to 1 - Enable Engine/Gearbox (Improved throttle response and puts tranny into "S" mode when "D" is selected).

[Gunnark100]

Finaly installed buttons as well, noticed - if i change settings in mmi, lets say comfort to dynamic the button will not change from compfort to dynamic or opposite way changing setting with button, mmi remains as it was before, is this for everybody like this?

[Gunnark100]

Finaly installed buttons as well, noticed - if i change settings in mmi, lets say comfort to dynamic the button will not change from compfort to dynamic or opposite way changing setting with button, mmi remains as it was before, is this for everybody like this?


Just ignore my question - they should not work in sync.

[rlarsen]

Just ignore my question - they should not work in sync.

Yeah, the setting in MMI is the setup of the INDIVIDUAL option on the switch (buttons)

[Gunnark100]

Yeah, the setting in MMI is the setup of the INDIVIDUAL option on the switch (buttons)

Thanks Rene, figured out after 20min play:)

[podlbo]

OK i have "STRANGE" problem vith VCDS coding of Drive select.... There is NO problem with activation of "carisma" function in hidden menu... But after i tray CODING via VCDS i dont see any ob BYTE 8 option BITS (only Bit 5)!!! I have Audi A4 2009 sedan with retrofited MMI 3g high...
At this point i manage to do this:
1. Hidden Menü -> car -> cardevicelist -> Charisma aktivieren
2. Hidden Menü -> car -> carmenuoperation -> Charisma von 0 auf 5 stellen
3. MMI reset
4. Stg 09 Zentralelektrik -> Codierung 07 -> Lange Codierung -> Byte 7, bit 5, von 0 auf 1

After this i go to Byte 8 BUT i cannot check ANY of bits (with exception of bit 5) - bits ARE NOT VISIBLE, so i cannot check them


So i dont know what is wrong, at this point i cannot finish coding of drive select ;(

[Gunnark100]

OK i have "STRANGE" problem vith VCDS coding of Drive select.... There is NO problem with activation of "carisma" function in hidden menu... But after i tray CODING via VCDS i dont see any ob BYTE 8 option BITS (only Bit 5)!!! I have Audi A4 2009 sedan with retrofited MMI 3g high...
At this point i manage to do this:
1. Hidden Menü -> car -> cardevicelist -> Charisma aktivieren
2. Hidden Menü -> car -> carmenuoperation -> Charisma von 0 auf 5 stellen
3. MMI reset
4. Stg 09 Zentralelektrik -> Codierung 07 -> Lange Codierung -> Byte 7, bit 5, von 0 auf 1

After this i go to Byte 8 BUT i cannot check ANY of bits (with exception of bit 5) - bits ARE NOT VISIBLE, so i cannot check them


So i dont know what is wrong, at this point i cannot finish coding of drive select ;(


Very strange...did you : http://www.audienthusiasts.com/Project_ADS.html

If only bit 5 is available, you can try Lcode2 from top of the window it should make available all bits, not sure if module will accept changes after maybe module is wrong - cant belive

[Gunnark100]

Enable drive select installed first!!! I did step by step by the link and all ok, 2008 avant.

[rlarsen]

OK i have "STRANGE" problem vith VCDS coding of Drive select.... There is NO problem with activation of "carisma" function in hidden menu... But after i tray CODING via VCDS i dont see any ob BYTE 8 option BITS (only Bit 5)!!! I have Audi A4 2009 sedan with retrofited MMI 3g high...
At this point i manage to do this:
1. Hidden Menü -> car -> cardevicelist -> Charisma aktivieren
2. Hidden Menü -> car -> carmenuoperation -> Charisma von 0 auf 5 stellen
3. MMI reset
4. Stg 09 Zentralelektrik -> Codierung 07 -> Lange Codierung -> Byte 7, bit 5, von 0 auf 1

After this i go to Byte 8 BUT i cannot check ANY of bits (with exception of bit 5) - bits ARE NOT VISIBLE, so i cannot check them


So i dont know what is wrong, at this point i cannot finish coding of drive select ;(
If the bit isn't available as a check box, then you need to change it manually in the binary field xx1xxxxx - after you've changed it to 1, then move the focus away from the field (eg. with the TAB-key), and close the window - as you would have done normally.

But why do you want to change bit 5 ?? - you don't have "Sports Differential" ??

[podlbo]

Yes i follow this DIY STEP by STEP (for VCDS coding part)... so i dont know where to look for the problem... Retrofit was done by my car electritian (but i give him exact same DIY manual) so i dont know if the instalation prosess was done correct. Can this be problem if installing wires???
Drive select is ENABLED and done OK via Stg 09 Zentralelektrik -> Codierung 07 -> Lange Codierung -> Byte 7, bit 5, von 0 auf 1

[podlbo]

But why do you want to change bit 5 ?? - you don't have "Sports Differential" ??

Bit 5 IS only VISIBLE bit i can check ;)... I can tray with binary field 00010110 -> this code will enable bit 1 (i have 1n3), 2 and 4?

[rlarsen]

Bit 5 IS only VISIBLE bit i can check ;)... I can tray with binary field 00010110 -> this code will enable bit 1 (i have 1n3), 2 and 4?
The binary you have is bit 1, 2 and 4

[podlbo]

OK, will tray this and i need to check wiring if it is done correct... :) Thanks

[Gunnark100]

OK, will tray this and i need to check wiring if it is done correct... :) Thanks


Wiring cant be the issue with coding, as same coding process without switch(ground,12V and linbus)-but always good to double check.

[podlbo]

OK :) Will check wiring and option to add direct binary code (i dont have VCDS so it takes some time...). Which BITS i need to enable in 6 speed manual? There are so many infos -> in guide is sugestert to enable 0,1,2,4... there are some guides theat sugesst only enable 2 and 4 (if not possible use 0 and 1).... Im thinking to use 1,2 and 4, will this be OK -> or i need to add 0?
I dont have Sports diferencial and Magnetic susspension ;)

Thanks guys

[Gunnark100]

OK :) Will check wiring and option to add direct binary code (i dont have VCDS so it takes some time...). Which BITS i need to enable in 6 speed manual? There are so many infos -> in guide is sugestert to enable 0,1,2,4... there are some guides theat sugesst only enable 2 and 4 (if not possible use 0 and 1).... Im thinking to use 1,2 and 4, will this be OK -> or i need to add 0?
I dont have Sports diferencial and Magnetic susspension ;)

Thanks guys

Enable what you have and can and want(pointless add things you do not have 3,5)...you can test :0,1,2,4...you can play with settings later via mmi anyway a bit etc... bit 0 - up to you...

Byte 8 Bit 0 Change 0 to 1 - Enable Engine/Gearbox (This bit will also enable S mode even when D is selected For Autos- This bit was determined to be optional)
Byte 8 Bit 1 Change 0 to 1 - Enable Dynamic Steering (This bit enables steering response control)
Byte 8 Bit 2 Change 0 to 1 - Enable Engine (Reported for better throttle response)
Byte 8 Bit 4 Change 0 to 1 - Enable Steering (If equipped)

You will never need to enable the following unless you install the equipment. From Factory these will be enabled if the equipment is installed in your car.
Byte 8 Bit 3 Change 0 to 1 - Enable Suspension On MMI Menu (Magnetic Suspension)
Byte 8 Bit 5 Change 0 to 1 - Enable Sports Differential On MMI Menu (If equipped)

[podlbo]

Ok i have Servotronic (PR-1N3) -> so i will tray to enable bits 1,2,4.

[podlbo]

OK, coding for Drive select is done - i dont have VCDS so i need to make an appointment with car mechanic.

So i did enable bits 0,1,2,4 - like on DIY for 6 speed manual -> ALL work 100% ok via MMI screen :) But my drive select swich dont work, any changes on swich are not visible on mmi ---- so i think there is problem with wiring.... :(

[Gunnark100]

OK, coding for Drive select is done - i dont have VCDS so i need to make an appointment with car mechanic.

So i did enable bits 0,1,2,4 - like on DIY for 6 speed manual -> ALL work 100% ok via MMI screen :) But my drive select swich dont work, any changes on swich are not visible on mmi ---- so i think there is problem with wiring.... :(

With a switch you cant see changes on mmi as mmi shows individual mode - my quess, will check later.

In real driving changing dynamic/comfort you feel differents?

Its a bit silly if really "electric" connected wires wrong - are button brightness ok, activated mode is brighter then others?


Yes nothing will change in mmi if you push the switch, my went off from ADS menu if i pushed the button. MMI ADS only is individual mode.

[podlbo]

So this is NORMAL - I did The adaptation coding and sets the individual mode (4) setting for the ADS system -> with this i always have AUDI drive select individual menu in MMI. If i swich individual mode to any other mode on Button i still see "AUDI drive select individual" menu in MMI... Is this normal - or is this becouse i did addapt starting setting to individual?

I did check the wiring again and all seems OK -> Button brightness is ok and activated mode is brighter then others. When driving i did not test buttun menu swich but in MMI all works ;)

[Gunnark100]

So this is NORMAL - I did The adaptation coding and sets the individual mode (4) setting for the ADS system -> with this i always have AUDI drive select individual menu in MMI. If i swich individual mode to any other mode on Button i still see "AUDI drive select individual" menu in MMI... Is this normal - or is this becouse i did addapt starting setting to individual?

I did check the wiring again and all seems OK -> Button brightness is ok and activated mode is brighter then others. When driving i did not test buttun menu swich but in MMI all works ;)


I belive its normal and ok, at least i have the same and have done it by David site. I belive you mean why mmi its not showing separate modeS, probably its because 3G, other picture is 3G+

http://ankk-vagcom.com/wp-content/uploads/ankk-vagcom_audi_mmi_2g_ads_menu.png

http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy205/DavidB8/ADS.png

[podlbo]

OK i get it ;) This shoud be normal for MMI 3g. You can only set INDIVIDUAL setting in MMI 3g, for other modes i need to use swich. When i select individual on swich, ADS will check preselected setting in MMI. OK ALL clear now - Finaly ADS works 100% OK ;) I did enable 0,1,2,4 bits (6 MT)... there are manny reporrts wich bits to activate so i follow David DIY.

Now i only need to sort problem with MMI 3g commponents cannot be reached via VCDS scan ---> i need to check CAN wires ;)

[podlbo]

Ok is this normal theat audi drive select button light is alway on??? Usualy all the buttuns ligts up when is too dark, but in case of drive select light on button is always lit....?

[Gunnark100]

Ok is this normal theat audi drive select button light is alway on??? Usualy all the buttuns ligts up when is too dark, but in case of drive select light on button is always lit....?

No idea is this normal, my one is the same!! Maybe its because daytime you should be able to see which mode is active:)

[podlbo]

Good point ;)

[greyfox1995]

Hi guys.
I know this is an old thread, but I'm seeking for an answer... I have a B8 prefacelift. So, ADS goes through LIN bus here (BCM pin 4 on brown/beige connector T16b if I'm correct).
However, I know that on facelift you use the "ordinary" switch (button) to communicate to BCM (BCM pin 16 on gray T32a).
Now, I updated the FW on BCM to 0410, and I wanted to stay with one row of buttons (have PDC, ESP OFF and rollo buttons), but I wanted to change the rollo button to do the drive select switching. On facelift, I know this would be possible. However, I want to do it on prefacelift. So, what are my options, considering my BCM doesn't have pin 16 soledered on the board. Could I solder a new one, or is the BCM missing internal HW components to do the switching? Anyone familiar with this?

[Smac770]

Why do you assume a B8.0 J519 should be able to function like a B8.5 J519? The B8.0 E592 is a LIN bus component and comprises the E593 and E594 switches for mode selection. The B8.5 E592 is just a toggle button, as the selection mechanism is either integrated into the B8.5 J519 or it knows to invoke the interface elsewhere. A B8.0 J519 would have none of that understanding.

I assume Audi decided customers wanted a common place for ADS management rather than the split interface of the screen based individual mode configuration and the switch based active mode selection, and they finally got off their asses and implemented an integrated solution for the facelift.

B8.0 non-MMI ADS switch, goes below the shifter and no individual option, https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-volkswagen-audi-parts/switch/8k0959673ev10/
B8.0 MMI ADS switch, goes in the dash and has individual option, https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-volkswagen-audi-parts/esp-multi-switch-nero-black-left/8k1959673ev10/
B8.5 ADS switch for a stop/start equipped car, https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-volkswagen-audi-parts/switch/8k1959673kv10/
B8.5 ADS switch for a non-stop/start car, https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-volkswagen-audi-parts/switch/8k1959673mv10/ (wtf, so just imagine the same switch but without the stop/start button; see how cheap it is)
(as normal Audi, 8K1 is LHD, so for RHD, then it's 8K2...)

[greyfox1995]

Hi Smac770,

as I said, I'm asking a question, I'm not making any prepositions or conclusions. Just my way of thinking, and wanted someone with more experience to confirm...
It's not about the money, if I really wanted ADS, I would have bought the switch. I can live with an error in the VCDS log, but this idea emerged, and I was thinking about doing that, since it is almost "costless" for me, and I have all the necessary parts available. Also, I don't have AT, Servotronic nor a sport differential. So, it's not really a big deal for me to have the switch. More to complete the look and feel of my 3 button switch, since I don't have the rolling sunshade.