View Full Version : ok. just curious. s4 or 09 ctsv/m3 for same price?
m123456
10-18-2009, 12:07 AM
any strong opinions? I'm just curious. it's an interesting situation b/c you can get 5-8k off an 09 m3/ctsv which can bring the proce of a decently optioned one to about 57-58, the same a 2010 prestige. btw. I hate that they took the auto dim mirrors out of prem. this is something I always hated about BMW. they make you pay for the prem pack something like 2200 just to make sure people don't blind you from behind.
happy football day!
uh oh, dealer called and offered a pretty loaded 2010 isf for 57 (sticker 63.5)
vtracer20
10-18-2009, 03:34 AM
even tho i really like the new s4, price for price i would get the new m3.
Okan509
10-18-2009, 04:24 AM
The m3 is gorgeous, and if you are looking at the same price get the m3, get white with the black top, those look so good.
KReddy05
10-18-2009, 04:35 AM
it all depends on if you want the awd.
If I was 19, the M3- if I was retired, the caddy- if I was 40 the S4, aka family car all year round. Problem with being 19...I had no money. At retirement...I may not put the priority on a nice car. S4 is the only logical choice for me, being 40 with a wife and 2 kids, and being a car nut.
m123456
10-18-2009, 05:36 AM
I'm 42 so I guess I have to get the s4. or some botox and then the m3.
and yes s4 best all rounder. awd, big trunk, spare, decent gas mileage etc. def over a 335 in a second.
chris23
10-18-2009, 06:43 AM
Best all around, I would go w/ the cts-v. It'll cost you less in the long run & is very nice.
Okan509
10-18-2009, 06:50 AM
M3>S4>335>cts-v
I don't think the M3 is a young people car at all, and the caddy is too old, The S4 is more fuel efficient and plenty fast, while the M3 has an unnecessary V8. If you want to get people to be like "holyshit" when they see your car- M3, if you want something more elegant- S4, I personally wouldn't even consider a caddy.
TayTay
10-18-2009, 07:55 AM
i have to say the cts-v i mean it is the fastest four door production car to lap the nurburgring.
Buy a year old one for half price. Caddys = depreciation. If I was buying used, it might sway me.
carchrism5
10-18-2009, 10:42 AM
Buy a year old one for half price. Caddys = depreciation. If I was buying used, it might sway me.
CTS-V's are not your typical caddy, look at used prices on the previous generation and they are selling for similar prices to S4's with similar mileage and age. As much as I love the S4's I might sway towards the CTS-V because of the raw power. I don't know where you live, but if AWD is not a necessity I would say CTS-V
riegeraudi
10-18-2009, 11:00 AM
Depends on where you live, if there is snow then S4 if not then M3. If you have kids S4 also otherwise M3.Reasons obviously the S4 with AWD for foul weather and all around best car. M3 why because best handling car of the bunch. Why not CTS-V because looks good today but what will you think about the design in a couple of years? Also gas guzzler. May be fast but doesn't handle like the M3 in my opinion. If you need the big engine of the CTS-V, I rather buy a C63.
M3
S4
C63
CTS-V
no 335i because visit e90post.com and read all the problems they are having with that car and engine.
carchrism5
10-18-2009, 11:40 AM
OP I highly recommend going out and test driving all the cars before making any decisions.
S4, CTS-V, IS-F and M3 (I'm assuming you have already driven them) and make sure it was a real drive, backroads and all
Also try the C63
M3 is nowhere near the fastest of those cars, probably the 2nd slowest if not the slowest. But it for sure has the looks and fun factor which is amazing on backroads.
IS-F is very fast, the 8 spd tranny makes it so when driving aggresively every time it shifts you are still in peak power range due to short ratios, only downside to motor is on the low end of RPMs there isnt much power, feels like someone fused 2 or 3 vtech engines together. However IMO it doesn't have the pure fun of an M3
C63 is deathly fast, looks good and four doors. Very very fun to drive everywhere, makes you giggle like a little kid when driving it. But the front seats give you the death grip, getting in and out is annoying and the bolsters wear quickly. Also the gas aspect could drive anyone crazy, You will literally watch the gas gauge drop in front of your eyes if you are getting on it.
CTS-V and B8 S4 I have not driven so I will not even attempt to comment on driving them.
Thats just my $0.02, and no it wasn't from 5 mile test drives they were from extensive drives multiple times in friend's cars. I hope that helps you and best of luck with your choice, with those cars you really can't go wrong with any choice.
aaron1085
10-18-2009, 01:59 PM
i think if i was getting an M3, it would be more of a fun car rather than year round daily driver.. It has the wow factor you want to portray on weekends and such and the S4 has the wow/elegance factor of everyday life.
A4Ber
10-18-2009, 02:44 PM
I was making the same decision you are making right now. I went with the s4 since it's design is more and the interior is way better than the m3. The m3 interior are 90% same as the 335. Also the m3 is a common car in sf, so I went with the s4 even though the m3 has more power! I am happy that I did not went with the m3
Ynnekdude
10-18-2009, 02:54 PM
CTS-V in stick.... I'm not a Cadillac fan but I would choose that car in a heartbeat.
Only in America....
A M3 same price as a S4? It cost about another US$20,000 over here. Plus it has no WOW factor at all. You see a M3 drive past and people won't even know it. A R8 would for that matter but that's another league.
BMW_135i
10-18-2009, 07:33 PM
I've gotta say...I'm impressed with you Audi guys. Yes I drive a BMW but I love Audis as well. So much so that I'm torn between keeping my 08 135i and trading it in to get a 10 S4 or TTS. You guys are all right in my book.
FWIW, I would go:
M3
S4
ISF
CTS-V
Just my personal preference. I think the previous year S4 is a little prettier than the current. Now if Audi would just hurry up and put the supercharged 6 in the S5 we would have the perfect coupe.
dvandentop
10-18-2009, 08:32 PM
cts-v with recaros, then s4 then m3. the m3 is not very rare. there is 1 2010 s4 in town here and it is amazing every time i see it. never have seen a cts-v new body style in town driving around yet.
zillmc
10-18-2009, 09:09 PM
As far as the ISF goes, you couldn't pay me to drive a car with fake quad tipped stacked exhaust tips! =)
Okan509
10-18-2009, 09:26 PM
So much so that I'm torn between keeping my 08 135i and trading it in to get a 10 S4 or TTS. The 135 was the car I wanted, I ended up with an audi. Those cars are so beautiful, something about them that makes me go nuts when I see one
As far as the ISF goes, you couldn't pay me to drive a car with fake quad tipped stacked exhaust tips! =)
Actually, Audi is as guilty as Lexus in this regard. The R8 also gets fake exhaust tips but at least they are all functional. The ISF are just 1 exhaust pretending to be 2 tips. Anyway my friend has an ISF which I get to drive and ride regularly. Sounds nice and that's about it. No way I will get that over S4/M3/C63...
Infra
10-19-2009, 06:37 AM
IS-F is very fast, the 8 spd tranny makes it so when driving aggresively every time it shifts you are still in peak power range due to short ratios, only downside to motor is on the low end of RPMs there isnt much power, feels like someone fused 2 or 3 vtech engines together.
That's the way I felt when driving the M3... the thing has no torque, and it feels like you're participating in a launch countdown until it gets into the high end of the engine band.
Anyways, FWIW, reviews have stated that the IS-F is the better track car, but not as good of a daily driver.
However, if you are looking for a daily driver, you really shouldn't be considering the IS-F or M3. The C63 is still pretty soft compared to the suspension on those two.
I don't get all the hate on the CTS-V. It really is a phenomenal car - and faster than anything else on that list.
First you need to decide if you want something fast and harsh, or quick and comfortable. Then, test drive appropriately.
boombastic
10-19-2009, 06:56 AM
i also have M3 and C63 (wifes car) besides my new S4 in the garage. i got the C63 when it had 8k off, i totally got 13500 off 67k MSRP for that car, which is is cheaper than my fully loaded S4 MSRP 59k (i paid 7% off at the end). but what kind of M3 you can have about that price, i dont get that neither.
sinned
10-19-2009, 07:56 AM
i also have M3 and C63 (wifes car) besides my new S4 in the garage. i got the C63 when it had 8k off, i totally got 13500 off 67k MSRP for that car, which is is cheaper than my fully loaded S4 MSRP 59k (i paid 7% off at the end). but what kind of M3 you can have about that price, i dont get that neither.
Carchrism5 mentioned that M3 is 2nd slowest or if not the slowest of the bunch. I find that hard to believe whether the torque is lower or not. Different cars have different power bands and you gotta utilize the full powerband to get maximal acceleration whether it develops early on and drops down or whether it builds slowly but can be wicked fast towards the top end.
What is your opinion of this since you seem to have a lot of experience owning 3 of the 4 cars, and you seem like a performance oriented driver, willing to spend money to get the unique cars. Have you put them through a good pace? Let us know...
legbend
10-19-2009, 08:14 AM
I was making the same decision you are making right now. I went with the s4 since it's design is more and the interior is way better than the m3. The m3 interior are 90% same as the 335. Also the m3 is a common car in sf, so I went with the s4 even though the m3 has more power! I am happy that I did not went with the m3
Ditto. I would be too afraid of the depreciation of the CTS-V, plus, it looks molested compared to the clean design of the regular CTS. The S4 just felt better to be in, was more pleasing to look at on the outside, and drove just the same at 85% as the other cars. If I were planning on taking the car to the track regularly, it'd be a different story. The S4 was the better all-around car, the others were more impressive to the internet ;)
boombastic
10-19-2009, 08:38 AM
city driving, it is very normal to feel M3 is slower than S4 or 335i, dont even mention C63, straight line, it is a wild beast (i got it tuned to 520 hp by powerchip) . M3 does lack on low end torque. but M3 has long power band, and flat torque curve, once you hit 5krpm to the red line, the car is fast and will pick up really quick at high speed. handling wise, no doubt M3 is the leader no matter how you try it. my C63 doesnt have Performance package, b/c wife wants a softer ride, S4 in fact performs equally or better than the C63, thanks to LSD and dynamic function, believe me or not. S4 is very fast at its level. DSG shifts better than M3 DCT, smoother and feels quicker, coz M3 software has lag issue at this moment. if i rank all my 3 cars it will go like this:
power/straight line performance c63>m3(but it requires a space to do that)>s4
handling, cornering, steering response m3>s4>c63
interior quality and style, entertainment functions, leathers S4=M3>c63 (cant believe why MB sucks so much at this)
ext look M3(sharpe look)=C63(nice and big calipers)>S4 the break is too small for a 4000lb car, but well it performs ok.
comfort level: S4>M3>C63
fun factors M3=S4 >C63(no double clutch, no manual), has great auto, but not very fun. but it sounds too good !
Carchrism5 mentioned that M3 is 2nd slowest or if not the slowest of the bunch. I find that hard to believe whether the torque is lower or not. Different cars have different power bands and you gotta utilize the full powerband to get maximal acceleration whether it develops early on and drops down or whether it builds slowly but can be wicked fast towards the top end.
What is your opinion of this since you seem to have a lot of experience owning 3 of the 4 cars, and you seem like a performance oriented drivers, willing to spend money to get the unique cars. Have you put them through a good pace? Let us know...
sinned
10-19-2009, 09:54 AM
city driving, it is very normal to feel M3 is slower than S4 or 335i, dont even mention C63, straight line, it is a wild beast (i got it tuned to 520 hp by powerchip) . M3 does lack on low end torque. but M3 has long power band, and flat torque curve, once you hit 5krpm to the red line, the car is fast and will pick up really quick at high speed. handling wise, no doubt M3 is the leader no matter how you try it. my C63 doesnt have Performance package, b/c wife wants a softer ride, S4 in fact performs equally or better than the C63, thanks to LSD and dynamic function, believe me or not. S4 is very fast at its level. DSG shifts better than M3 DCT, smoother and feels quicker, coz M3 software has lag issue at this moment. if i rank all my 3 cars it will go like this:
power/straight line performance c63>m3(but it requires a space to do that)>s4
handling, cornering, steering response m3>s4>c63
interior quality and style, entertainment functions, leathers S4=M3>c63 (cant believe why MB sucks so much at this)
ext look M3(sharpe look)=C63(nice and big calipers)>S4 the break is too small for a 4000lb car, but well it performs ok.
comfort level: S4>M3>C63
fun factors M3=S4 >C63(no double clutch, no manual), has great auto, but not very fun. but it sounds too good !
Thanks for the explanation!
Seems like overall the M3 is where it is at, of course I would take the S4 over the 335i but comparing the S4 to do the job of overcoming the M3 is a challenging feat. Things do change as mods are brought into the equation since the S4 has an FI engine, but don't forget that real performance cars don't just go straight and the only thing that the M3 needs is a BBK to be almost perfectly balanced performance wise in it's own respective class.
Sorry to do this to you, but I have to ask. If you were to keep only one, which one would it be? :D
boombastic
10-19-2009, 11:27 AM
lol thats a tough question, my M3 is a coupe, S4 and C63 are sedans. so let me change the assumption to M3 e90 which is a sedan also. that will be fair ( but the thing is e90 not as nice as E92). but anyway, if i end up to keep one only, that will be M3. and yes M3 needs BBK, so does S4 lol. my answer is not not for everyone of course, coz all my 3 cars serve different purposes. when im just with my wife e92 is the way to go, but when it comes out to bring friends around, e92 has trouble of doing it. then we targeted c63 (was not planning to get it, but cant resist the 13500 off MSRP. now winter comes, i had bad experience in winter with M3, so C63 will be at the same page or worse, b/c i dont have Performance package, therefore, no LSD. then this all new and nice S4 showed up.
Thanks for the explanation!
Seems like overall the M3 is where it is at, of course I would take the S4 over the 335i but comparing the S4 to do the job of overcoming the M3 is a challenging feat. Things do change as mods are brought into the equation since the S4 has an FI engine, but don't forget that real performance cars don't just go straight and the only thing that the M3 needs is a BBK to be almost perfectly balanced performance wise in it's own respective class.
Sorry to do this to you, but I have to ask. If you were to keep only one, which one would it be? :D
m123456
10-19-2009, 08:07 PM
i also have M3 and C63 (wifes car) besides my new S4 in the garage. i got the C63 when it had 8k off, i totally got 13500 off 67k MSRP for that car, which is is cheaper than my fully loaded S4 MSRP 59k (i paid 7% off at the end). but what kind of M3 you can have about that price, i dont get that neither.
you got 4k off a 2010 s4? how the heck did u do that? kudos!
Okan509
10-19-2009, 09:51 PM
I got 3k off my A4!
m123456
10-19-2009, 09:56 PM
I got 3k off my A4!
a4 yes but s4?
boombastic
10-20-2009, 04:39 AM
coz i paid full in cash, they need money. at first they offer 5% off but financing the car. i said what abt i paid full in cash, and u gave me 7% off. pretty much tax free. that was the first S4 sold by the sale lady at the dealership.
you got 4k off a 2010 s4? how the heck did u do that? kudos!
SeattleBum
10-20-2009, 08:48 AM
Here's a bone stock (including tires) '09 CTS-V breaking into the 11's...
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/182757-stock-09-cts-v-versus-shelby.html
boombastic
10-20-2009, 08:51 AM
we all know that CTS-V is fast, the car is nice w/o doubt but i do think american cars lack of soul comparing to german cars. there are many people talking abt buying M3 or cts-v in the e90post.com. well, at least i am not a fan of its look. even though we all admit the CTS-V is a great car, but around my area at least NY/NNJ, i have not seen any. very ironic right? but tons of M3 M5 M6, C63. etc. i am the only S4 so far i see on the street.
Here's a bone stock (including tires) '09 CTS-V breaking into the 11's...
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-cts-v-series-forum-2009/182757-stock-09-cts-v-versus-shelby.html
Saracen
10-20-2009, 09:52 AM
I've driven most of those cars (M3, RS4, C63).
I've also driven a Ferrari 360 Spyder, which was the experience of a life time. And the best car I've ever driven.
I felt of those cars, the M3 was the second most enjoyable. It felt like a four door Ferrari.
AlexSupertramp
10-20-2009, 09:55 AM
i have to say the cts-v i mean it is the fastest four door production car to lap the nurburgring.
nopee.
51. Porsche Panamera Sport Chrono Turbo 7:56 156 ´09 500 / 1974 Walter Roehrl (AutoBild 2
52. Porsche Panamera Turbo 7:56.0 156 ´09 500 / 1870 Walter Röhrl 53. Porsche 996 GT3 early 7:56.33 156 ´99 360 / 1350 Walter Rohl
54. Honda NSX-R 7:56.733 156 ´02 280 / 1270 Motoharu "Gan-san" Kurosa
55. Honda NSX-R 7:56.733 156 ´02 280 / 1270 Gan San Kurosawa time att
56. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 7:57.46 (full lap) 155 ´08 560 / 1530 AutoBild sportscars 08/08
57. Audi RS4 (B7) 7:58 155 ´05 420 / 1720 Frank Stippler 5
58. Chevrolet Corvette C6 7:59 155 ´04 400 / 1470 Motortrend
59. Cadillac CTS-V 7:59.32 (Pre production) 155 ´09 556 / 1908 john heinricy
SeattleBum
10-20-2009, 10:30 AM
nopee.
51. Porsche Panamera Sport Chrono Turbo 7:56 156 ´09 500 / 1974 Walter Roehrl (AutoBild 2
52. Porsche Panamera Turbo 7:56.0 156 ´09 500 / 1870 Walter Röhrl 53. Porsche 996 GT3 early 7:56.33 156 ´99 360 / 1350 Walter Rohl
54. Honda NSX-R 7:56.733 156 ´02 280 / 1270 Motoharu "Gan-san" Kurosa
55. Honda NSX-R 7:56.733 156 ´02 280 / 1270 Gan San Kurosawa time att
56. Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 7:57.46 (full lap) 155 ´08 560 / 1530 AutoBild sportscars 08/08
57. Audi RS4 (B7) 7:58 155 ´05 420 / 1720 Frank Stippler 5
58. Chevrolet Corvette C6 7:59 155 ´04 400 / 1470 Motortrend
59. Cadillac CTS-V 7:59.32 (Pre production) 155 ´09 556 / 1908 john heinricy
The RS4 listed above is a European spec car which weighs much less than the US version...so if you live in the US you really can't count it. As far as the $140k Panamera Turbo...well.
SeattleBum
10-20-2009, 10:39 AM
we all know that CTS-V is fast, the car is nice w/o doubt but i do think american cars lack of soul comparing to german cars. there are many people talking abt buying M3 or cts-v in the e90post.com. well, at least i am not a fan of its look. even though we all admit the CTS-V is a great car, but around my area at least NY/NNJ, i have not seen any. very ironic right? but tons of M3 M5 M6, C63. etc. i am the only S4 so far i see on the street.
I know I'm starting to sound like a CTS-V fanboy but I just can't agree with this 'lack of soul' thing you're describing. Have you actually driven the '09 CTS-V? The damn thing is a beast on a track. I've driven the new M3, M5, M6, C63, RS4, B7 S4 and CTS-V (not on a track). They are all kick-ass cars and if you were blindfolded as a passenger I guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell which of the cars above lacked 'soul'. The 'soul' is just the image of yourself in a 'superior' German car. Also, the CTS-V has only been out 1 year, whereas the M5/M5 have been out since '06, the M3 in '08? and the C63 since '08. The biggest hurdle for the CTS-V is shedding the Cadillac old-man reputation.
BTW, I'm going to be dumping my German Cayenne Turbo for a 2010 S4. This will be my first Audi. Can't wait to become a part of the Audi community!
NWS4Guy
10-20-2009, 11:22 AM
I'll agree that the Caddie is a monster, though no AWD and even worse bundling of crap rather than ala-carte than Audi has.
fun to watch it go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59fybrrUGEw
boombastic
10-20-2009, 11:57 AM
I have not only driven one, but also almost bought it. But at the end I went with the c63. One thing I can't agree more is when sitting inside the caddy, even tho it is faster Stonger than my m3 and s4. But I also feel I grow old for another 20 years. Lol
I know I'm starting to sound like a CTS-V fanboy but I just can't agree with this 'lack of soul' thing you're describing. Have you actually driven the '09 CTS-V? The damn thing is a beast on a track. I've driven the new M3, M5, M6, C63, RS4, B7 S4 and CTS-V (not on a track). They are all kick-ass cars and if you were blindfolded as a passenger I guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell which of the cars above lacked 'soul'. The 'soul' is just the image of yourself in a 'superior' German car. Also, the CTS-V has only been out 1 year, whereas the M5/M5 have been out since '06, the M3 in '08? and the C63 since '08. The biggest hurdle for the CTS-V is shedding the Cadillac old-man reputation.
BTW, I'm going to be dumping my German Cayenne Turbo for a 2010 S4. This will be my first Audi. Can't wait to become a part of the Audi community!
cohenfive
10-26-2009, 11:02 AM
a bit off topic, but that xfr sure seems nice next to the ctsv...but it's way overpriced, isn't worth any more then the caddy imo.
back on topic...if it were my money, i'd probably get the ctsv in this comparison..but then again i'm older. i love the s4, and am considering it to replace my e39 m5 some day (i just can't bring myself to get rid of that car!), but i'd prefer to see what people can do to it to speed it up a bit more....:)
NWS4Guy
10-26-2009, 11:29 AM
a bit off topic, but that xfr sure seems nice next to the ctsv...but it's way overpriced, isn't worth any more then the caddy imo.
back on topic...if it were my money, i'd probably get the ctsv in this comparison..but then again i'm older. i love the s4, and am considering it to replace my e39 m5 some day (i just can't bring myself to get rid of that car!), but i'd prefer to see what people can do to it to speed it up a bit more....:)
I drove the XF (not the XFS) since we have a Land Rover, and they are the same dealership. VERY well appointed car, the interior oozes style and quality, the lovely ballet where the shifter knob rises from flush with the center console and dash vents spin open is pretty cool - not sure I could live with it all the time though. My problems with it were:
As you said cost for what you get
Lack of AWD
Poor overall performance considering the size engine
MacTiki
10-26-2009, 01:43 PM
The RS4 listed above is a European spec car which weighs much less than the US version...so if you live in the US you really can't count it. As far as the $140k Panamera Turbo...well.
Also this Euro Spec RS4 came with "street legal" racing tire, not knocking the RS4 but those times are not apples to apples,
Tiki
Monizzle
10-27-2009, 11:17 PM
cts-v. american muscle = drool.
Dimcorner
10-28-2009, 10:59 AM
Man... I would so get the CTS-V. I mean 550hp.... yum...
Plus, you know aftermarket is going to be plentiful and reasonably priced for that.
It doesn't snow here in FL so I would get it, heck even all the way up to NC I would get the car. North of NC probably go for a AWD car.
If I was 19, the M3- if I was retired, the caddy- if I was 40 the S4, aka family car all year round. Problem with being 19...I had no money. At retirement...I may not put the priority on a nice car. S4 is the only logical choice for me, being 40 with a wife and 2 kids, and being a car nut.
Great quick analysis! I am looking at the S4 tommorow morning. I am 38 with wife and 2 young boys, the S4 is perfect on paper. I hope it drives as well as it looks.
naveen
10-29-2009, 08:52 PM
same price for all three---cts v or the m3!
riegeraudi
10-29-2009, 09:30 PM
M3 unless you like drag racing. On the track the M3 will still walk just like it walked the C63 on the track, I believe it was on top gear. On the street again M3 more appealing design IMO, also a little nicer design inside, and definitely less gass guzzling. If you want big engine that I would rather have the C63. Otherwise I totally agree with Lou that is the reason I have an S4 on order.
LODOSS
10-30-2009, 11:38 PM
BTW, you should be able to get more off the ISF... I know a year ago while I was looking around the dealer offered me 10k off msrp and that was without any negotiation.
A dealer also offerend me 9k off a 2009 C350 4-5 months ago. I am sure there was incentives with that though. I would think the AMG C63 would have a even more aggresive discount like mentioned earlier.
I have a 335 and the M3s interior is not much different. I have to say that I am bored of the interior and would much prefer the audis interior over it.
Okan509
10-31-2009, 05:01 AM
Audi interior is amazing, the craftsmanship of it is astounding, truly amazing
sleeperwagon
11-02-2009, 03:00 PM
Boombastic summed it up best, lets just end the thread. Kudos to you.
As a 39 yr old making the same decision and past BMW/Audi nut, I might go 2010 S4 also BUT I love the v-8 sounds of the others.
I don't think I could get away with a C63 being in sales and "asking" for business. I will get a Benz when I am 50
CTS-V: love it but don't trust it. may wait 2 yrs and grab one for $35K
Lexus: Don't like rice, I am meat and potatoes guy.
M3: Love it but I need a sedan and I am not a fan of the rear. Not beefy enough.
S4 looks like it wins by default.
Just to throw in a curve ball: Why not a used S6? They are starting to pop up but you need some luck........and yes let me state "they have no personality or style"
Driving to work today, a pedestrian nearly twisted their neck off when I drove past. Yes, it was a dude, but the women seem to love it as well. Ibis wins.
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/wallpaper11.JPG
adam.smith
11-10-2009, 04:38 PM
The CTS-V is a fantastic car, but I just went through the same process myself. Initially the C63 was the frontrunner, but after much research and debate, I ended up going with an S4. I wanted something that would be a lot of fun to drive but was also an every day car - with the winters we get here in Canada, having a "fun" car and a daily driver has a lot less appeal because you'll only get to use that hot little thing for a few months a year.
IS-F: Nice little car, but literally not big enough for me - I'm 6'3" and my head touched the roof, no way to get a really comfortable driving position.
M3: Is it just me or does this thing feel cheap inside? I felt like I was sitting in a Toyota or something when looking at the dash, console, etc. I also find it to be rather ugly. For the massive price difference between that and the competition (up here in Canada there's a big gap), it didn't seem worth it.
B7 RS4: Lots of power, great-sounding V8, but it's a small car. The other big thing for me is that I would prefer not to buy a used car, partly because it's used and more importantly because if I'm going to blow big money on a car, I want exactly the colour, options etc that I want and not what somebody else picked.
CTS-V: Amazing power and I love the sound of the engine, but a lot of the stuff felt low-quality to me. It also felt like a much bigger car and somewhat sluggish around the corners. Maybe it was just too much body roll.
C63: Again, the V8 is nice. My big problem with the C63 was the seats, which felt very cramped to a tall guy like me - too much bolstering. The whole car in general had a bit of that feeling too.
S4: Yes, it's not a V8. Sure, it may be more comparable in performance to a 335i than an M3. But ultimately those things were less of a concern. The AWD and ADS are nice things to have up here in Canada. The interior feels the best to me. All around it just seemed like the best car to own.
yes! the S4 comes up again. On paper it might not seem to measure up, but the test drive seems to hook the shoppers. Congrats man.
adam.smith
11-11-2009, 08:57 AM
yes! the S4 comes up again. On paper it might not seem to measure up, but the test drive seems to hook the shoppers. Congrats man.
Yeah, it's hard to put my finger on it, just a lot of things seemed to be... right. Obviously to each his own and I won't denigrate any of those other cars, the S4 just seemed to be the complete package. That's probably it more than anything else - a CTS-V has more power, an M3 might be faster around the track, etc, but overall I'd give it to the Audi.
It's too bad that there's no B8 RS4 because I probably would have bought that, but seeing as how it doesn't seem in the cards in the near future, I decided not to hold my breath.
Can't wait for the damned thing to get here though. I put my order in in September and it's supposed to arrive at the beginning of January. They tell me it should be getting on the boat in about 10 days.
NWS4Guy
11-11-2009, 08:59 AM
Can't wait for the damned thing to get here though. I put my order in in September and it's supposed to arrive at the beginning of January. They tell me it should be getting on the boat in about 10 days.
Nice, sounds like yours and mine will be sharing the same boat with another guy over on AW. When it loads I've asked for the ship name, see if you can get that as well, there is a nice public site were you can track the ship whenever it's within 40-50 miles of a coastline.
trigoe
11-11-2009, 10:15 AM
Yeah, it's hard to put my finger on it, just a lot of things seemed to be... right. Obviously to each his own and I won't denigrate any of those other cars, the S4 just seemed to be the complete package. That's probably it more than anything else - a CTS-V has more power, an M3 might be faster around the track, etc, but overall I'd give it to the Audi.
It's too bad that there's no B8 RS4 because I probably would have bought that, but seeing as how it doesn't seem in the cards in the near future, I decided not to hold my breath.
Can't wait for the damned thing to get here though. I put my order in in September and it's supposed to arrive at the beginning of January. They tell me it should be getting on the boat in about 10 days.
whoa... that is a long time. I put mine in Mid october and it's expected end of december. I hope it gets here early for you!
NWS4Guy
11-11-2009, 10:27 AM
whoa... that is a long time. I put mine in Mid october and it's expected end of december. I hope it gets here early for you!
Actually your's is QUITE fast, ours are pretty normal, mine went into the system on 9/7 and was allocated almost immediately. Your order likely replaced an already filed allocation for that dealership which was not a custom order, so they just changed it to your order before it his Production. You got lucky :)