winters on the B8 S4

[L0U]

At first tirerack listed the new S4 as being able to fit a 17" wheel....like the B8 A4. However the site now has delisted the winter rim selections for the S4. I question whether the 17s really fit.

I run 16s on my A3 and they just barely fit over the caliper.
The A4 has 320mm rotors, and needs 17s.
The S4 has 345mm rotors. That is an inch larger. At this point we need clarification, or go ahead with the 18s, at a minimum.

225s on 18x8 is likely the path I will take. on dunlop sport 3ds...for the performance in the cold dry, as well as the snow/ice.

Lou

[GrnMtnS4]

Lou
Don't have an answer for your 17in clearance question but i was going to go cheap this winter with snows on the stock 18s - ie not purchase new wheels. What size would you recommend for 18's - stock is 245/40 and you mentioned 225 which makes sense b/c a narrower tire does better in snow but what sidewall ht are you going to choose to get the same rolling diamter. By my calculation the stock 18 245/40 has a ht of 3.85 inches and a 225/50 is 4.43 inches. Is there a certain range which you can use and not screw up the speedo etc? I am also going with the Dunlop WinterSport 3d. Thanks for your help with this

Brad

[L0U]

the close to stock would be a 225x45 -18, at 803 revs per mile, however, with the inherant spedometer error that reads too fast...a slightly larger wheel can make it more accurate.

235x45 -18 is 791 revs per mile, and work nicely on an 8" rim. I went up one size on my wifes a3 and it almost was enough to get rid of the spedo error. 225s fit better if the rim is 7.5.

your stockers are 810 revs per mile.

So for now, I am putting the 235x45 at the top of my list on an 18x8. I like the light weight of the michelin winter too. pa3s

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Alpin+PA3&partnum=345VR8PA3XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

[GrnMtnS4]

Lou
thanks for getting back to me - appreciate your help!

Cheers,
Brad

[CaymanS4]

At first tirerack listed the new S4 as being able to fit a 17" wheel....like the B8 A4. However the site now has delisted the winter rim selections for the S4. I question whether the 17s really fit.

I run 16s on my A3 and they just barely fit over the caliper.
The A4 has 320mm rotors, and needs 17s.
The S4 has 345mm rotors. That is an inch larger. At this point we need clarification, or go ahead with the 18s, at a minimum.

225s on 18x8 is likely the path I will take. on dunlop sport 3ds...for the performance in the cold dry, as well as the snow/ice.

Lou

My local dealer's tech guys said a 17" wheel will fit the B8 S4. You may want to confirm this with your dealer and let us know what they say.
225/50/17 would be the ideal setup for winters.

[Nutdotnet]

the close to stock would be a 225x45 -18, at 803 revs per mile, however, with the inherant spedometer error that reads too fast...a slightly larger wheel can make it more accurate.

235x45 -18 is 791 revs per mile, and work nicely on an 8" rim. I went up one size on my wifes a3 and it almost was enough to get rid of the spedo error. 225s fit better if the rim is 7.5.

your stockers are 810 revs per mile.

So for now, I am putting the 235x45 at the top of my list on an 18x8. I like the light weight of the michelin winter too. pa3s

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Alpin+PA3&partnum=345VR8PA3XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

225x45 seems like a nice price-point too for winter tires. My fiance just purchased as A4 avant w/ the sports package (18" wheels). Stock is 245/40...I'd assume that 225/45 would work just as well on hers and it will on my future S4?

[GrnMtnS4]

anybody else get confirmation on 17s for winter - i am checking with my dealer now and will let you know

[ChrisC]

Just confirmed with my Dealer that 17" will fit the S4. The winter wheel/tire package they will be selling for the S4 is a 17" wheel with Pirelli Sottozero tires. I have those on my wife's Gti and have had a good experience with them thus far. I had Michelin Pilot Alpin's on my B7 and they blew! Never again. All that being said, I'm thinking I'll go with an 18" wheel for winter, purely for aesthetics. Is there a huge difference btwn 245/40/18 and 235/45/18?

[GrnMtnS4]

Chris
Thanks for your help - i may stick with 18s as well don't know yet

Did you have pilot alpin pa2 or pa3s? looks like quite a bit of change and the pa3s are getting good reviews on tire rack (not a lot of miles yet...)

anybody else comment on pilot alpin PA3s?

[L0U]

Just confirmed with my Dealer that 17" will fit the S4. The winter wheel/tire package they will be selling for the S4 is a 17" wheel with Pirelli Sottozero tires. I have those on my wife's Gti and have had a good experience with them thus far. I had Michelin Pilot Alpin's on my B7 and they blew! Never again. All that being said, I'm thinking I'll go with an 18" wheel for winter, purely for aesthetics. Is there a huge difference btwn 245/40/18 and 235/45/18?

go to tire rack, and when you see the tire click on it. Then click specs, and it will give the information you need to compare to stock sizes. Like recomended rim size, width, diameter, revs per mile. You want to be 803 revs per mile, or smaller. If you go more revs, it addsto an allready fast spedo, and gives your car more mileage than it really has. I think 780 revs makes the spedo error actually zero. vs stock reading fast.

[adbender]

Hartmann 126s 17x8.0" ET 35 will fit the B8 S4, we have 3 sets remaining and are closing them out for $699-set!

http://gallery.hartmannwheels.com/download/14313-10/Hartmann_1000x1000_MB_126_Angle.jpg

good deal...but u might be bothered for 4 months a year.

[awhk82]

There are better offerings from Tirerack at a lower price without the look of AMG.

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/results.jsp?filterSize=17&filterFinish=All&filterBrand=All&filterSpecial=false&filterNew=All&autoMake=Audi&autoModel=A4+2.0+Quattro&autoYear=2010&autoModClar=Premium&sort=Brand

[ChrisC]

the close to stock would be a 225x45 -18, at 803 revs per mile, however, with the inherant spedometer error that reads too fast...a slightly larger wheel can make it more accurate.

235x45 -18 is 791 revs per mile, and work nicely on an 8" rim. I went up one size on my wifes a3 and it almost was enough to get rid of the spedo error. 225s fit better if the rim is 7.5.

your stockers are 810 revs per mile.

So for now, I am putting the 235x45 at the top of my list on an 18x8. I like the light weight of the michelin winter too. pa3s

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Alpin+PA3&partnum=345VR8PA3XL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

Lou - Audi recommends 225/45/18 and I understand your comment regarding the affect on the speedo. Presumably Audi knows this, so why wouldn't they recommend 234/45/18? What am I missing here?

GrnMtnS4 - The tires I had were not pa2's or pa3's. Maybe there is a huge difference with the new tires and design, but past experience makes me very reluctant to go w/Michelin again. Pirellis seem to be not very highly rated, but I have always been pleased with them.

[Skyler@Achtuning]

From that list there are only a few below the price that we are offering these at, most of those being a Chinese made wheel. Also that list is for the A4, the S4 has larger rotors and very few 17" wheels are going to fit.
The Hartmanns I posted are Italian made, fit the B8 S4 directly and will be easy to clean. I'll also bring the pricing down to $649-set which makes them a pretty competitively priced winter wheel offering.

[L0U]

Lou - Audi recommends 225/45/18 and I understand your comment regarding the affect on the speedo. Presumably Audi knows this, so why wouldn't they recommend 234/45/18? What am I missing here?

GrnMtnS4 - The tires I had were not pa2's or pa3's. Maybe there is a huge difference with the new tires and design, but past experience makes me very reluctant to go w/Michelin again. Pirellis seem to be not very highly rated, but I have always been pleased with them.

Audi has about 3 different size tires to put on the car, and yet only 1 spedo. Thus some will be closer to correct, while others are further from correct. Your lease, warrenty, all run out sooner if the spedo error is in their favour. I know a fellow here at work that has a mini van...honda that has a spedo error of 5%...talk about extreme. His warrenty ran out, and his tranny blew...doing the math of the dumb speedo error he was still under warrenty...yet he is hung out to dry. He claims there is a class action suit about leased milage and warenty mileage.

I plan on gps testing my S4 with the 255 19s setup and then buying winters that get me closest to accurate. Anything from 225 to 255 is fine, just get whatever works best for the rim you pick and the asepct ratio to give you the best diameter.

It appears that 17s...well some 17s will fit the S4. Tire rack had a list out a week ago that was delisted, as it had a huge list of 17s to pick from, and some may not have actually worked. They pulled the list. last night the list is back up, but the 17s to pick from is about 25% as big as before. At least now it should be a sure thing.

I am likely going 18x8 with 235x45 -18 in michelin PA3. decent price, good rating, and LIGHT weight. Combined with a light rim...all the better for winter gas mileage.

[borutp]

What about a tire pressure monitoring system.

What happens when you change the tires ? Is the a sensor in every tire?

System will blink like hell without it? Or am I wrong?

[borutp]

Taken from the manual...I guess that we have an indirect system based on the ABS - Which is great !

"The tyre pressure monitoring system makes use of the ABS sensors to compare the rolling circumference and the vibration of the wheels. The display in the instrument cluster alerts the driver if changes are detected on one or more wheels. If only one tyre is affected, the display will indicate its position.
Each time you change a tyre or the tyre pressures on your vehicle, you must store the new tyre pressures via the sound system or MMI "

So there are not any sensors in the tires - right?

[adbender]

225x45 seems like a nice price-point too for winter tires. My fiance just purchased as A4 avant w/ the sports package (18" wheels). Stock is 245/40...I'd assume that 225/45 would work just as well on hers and it will on my future S4?

this is what im going to be doing....225/45/r18. its actually within 0.2% of stock 245s

probably dunlops 3ds on some vmr v810s in gunmetal.

i was hesitant to do 245 as there is just way too much snow in my neck of the woods.

[L0U]

this is what im going to be doing....225/45/r18. its actually within 0.2% of stock 245s

probably dunlops 3ds on some vmr v810s in gunmetal.

i was hesitant to do 245 as there is just way too much snow in my neck of the woods.

as long as the rim is 8", I thought 810s were 8.5, bit stretched for a snow tire in 225.

[adbender]

as long as the rim is 8", I thought 810s were 8.5, bit stretched for a snow tire in 225.

good point...i have seen the same rims with summers tires of the same size, but not winters.

i heard the michelin pa3s are a nice tire to mount. damn this is getting tricky.

i might be safer to go with 235s then or change wheels...really like the 810s though.

[L0U]

good point...i have seen the same rims with summers tires of the same size, but not winters.

i heard the michelin pa3s are a nice tire to mount. damn this is getting tricky.

i might be safer to go with 235s then or change wheels...really like the 810s though.

18x8.5 with 245x40-18 is stock for the regular 18" S4 pacage. but it has et43 vs. 35. no biggy, just more slush down the side of the car.

I am liking hartman 18x8 43et or anything nice looking in 18x8 et 38 to 48

I am going to go 1 size bigger in height though. the A8 size 245x45-18 it is 2.5% taller, but my speedo is 2.5% slower...should be exact aftwards. Fits, unless you drop the car on coilovers. bout 8mm more into the wheelweels.

[borutp]

Is this a good choice??

Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D RO1 225/45R18 95V


Thanks

[GrnMtnS4]

Hey guys - what do you think about this set up

Wheels - OZ Ultraleggera Black Painted (17lbs in 17x8) - my car will be Daytona Grey with Black optic package so no chrome. Thought these would be a nice change for winter

On Car - used quartz grey since daytona isn't a choice

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/MiniWheelSearchServlet?nonWinter=true&partNum=W0171020253B&autoMake=Audi&autoModel=S4+Sedan&autoYear=2010&autoModClar=Premium+Plus&wIndex=0&grid=true&sw=1280

Wheel pics

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/WheelCloseUpServlet?target=runWheelSearch&autoMake=Audi&autoModel=S4+Sedan&autoYear=2010&autoModClar=Premium+Plus&initialPartNumber=W0171020253B&i1_Qty=4&wheelMake=O.Z.&wheelModel=Ultraleggera&wheelFinish=Black+Painted&showRear=no

then either pilot alpin pa3 225x50x17 or the same size in Dunlop Winter Sport 3d

[ChrisC]

I think I have to decide on a wheel choice and then figure out the semantics of tire brand and size. What do you guys think of of VMR's V710 wheel? I like h/silver and gunmetal, although each would give quite a different look to the car. Thoughts?

http://www.velocitymotoring.com/links/gallery/VMR_Wheels_Audi_A5_Silver_V710_18_Hyper-Silver_361.php

http://www.velocitymotoring.com/links/gallery/VMR_Wheels_VW_R32_Black_V710_18_Gunmetal_333.php

[ChrisC]

Hey guys - what do you think about this set up

Wheels - OZ Ultraleggera Black Painted (17lbs in 17x8) - my car will be Daytona Grey with Black optic package so no chrome. Thought these would be a nice change for winter

On Car - used quartz grey since daytona isn't a choice

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/MiniWheelSearchServlet?nonWinter=true&partNum=W0171020253B&autoMake=Audi&autoModel=S4+Sedan&autoYear=2010&autoModClar=Premium+Plus&wIndex=0&grid=true&sw=1280

Wheel pics

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/WheelCloseUpServlet?target=runWheelSearch&autoMake=Audi&autoModel=S4+Sedan&autoYear=2010&autoModClar=Premium+Plus&initialPartNumber=W0171020253B&i1_Qty=4&wheelMake=O.Z.&wheelModel=Ultraleggera&wheelFinish=Black+Painted&showRear=no

then either pilot alpin pa3 225x50x17 or the same size in Dunlop Winter Sport 3d

I think the set-up will do well in the snow. Personally I'm not a big fan of the OZ wheel on the B8 and I'm not big on black wheels. Gunmetal, yes. 17" will look tiny, IMHO.

[GrnMtnS4]

Thanks - all good points to consider. I am not set on anything at this point so any input helps.

Brad

[Skyler@Achtuning]

I am going to go 1 size bigger in height though. the A8 size 245x45-18 it is 2.5% taller, but my speedo is 2.5% slower...should be exact aftwards. Fits, unless you drop the car on coilovers. bout 8mm more into the wheelweels.

Careful, there is really tight clearance between the tread and the suspension 40s vs 45 series would be about 12mm radius difference (3.5%), I think there is only about 5mm of room to go taller.

[Skyler@Achtuning]

Our HRS6-172 HC in 17x8.0" ET35 will be back in stock towards the end of the month with sale pricing of $198-ea. These are 66.56 centerbore for a perfect B8 fitment and use OEM lug bolts and can use OEM Audi centercaps as well.

http://shop.achtuning.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1245

http://shop.achtuning.com/ProductImages/images/product_images_hartmann/Hartmann_RS6_172_HC_A.jpg

[CaymanS4]

Hey guys - what do you think about this set up

Wheels - OZ Ultraleggera Black Painted (17lbs in 17x8) - my car will be Daytona Grey with Black optic package so no chrome. Thought these would be a nice change for winter

On Car - used quartz grey since daytona isn't a choice

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/MiniWheelSearchServlet?nonWinter=true&partNum=W0171020253B&autoMake=Audi&autoModel=S4+Sedan&autoYear=2010&autoModClar=Premium+Plus&wIndex=0&grid=true&sw=1280

Wheel pics

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/WheelCloseUpServlet?target=runWheelSearch&autoMake=Audi&autoModel=S4+Sedan&autoYear=2010&autoModClar=Premium+Plus&initialPartNumber=W0171020253B&i1_Qty=4&wheelMake=O.Z.&wheelModel=Ultraleggera&wheelFinish=Black+Painted&showRear=no

then either pilot alpin pa3 225x50x17 or the same size in Dunlop Winter Sport 3d

I decided against the 17" and bought 18x8 on Pirelli Sottozero 240, 225/45/18.

[GrnMtnS4]

Thanks Cayman - were you concerned with the amt of sidewall and look ie went for more dry road performance over snow capability?

[L0U]

Careful, there is really tight clearance between the tread and the suspension 40s vs 45 series would be about 12mm radius difference (3.5%), I think there is only about 5mm of room to go taller.

12mm from the 18", but only 8mm bigger than the stock 19s. I hope 8mm is not a problem, I know it fits the wheelwell, but the shock mount, could be trouble. This wheel is 8x18 et48, vs the stock 8x18 et47. Same width, so the 1 series up could rub? Anyone ever fit a 245x45-18 on a b8? yes the picture is a different fit...4 bolt.

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/oz_allerghlt_mgs_ci3_l.jpg


thanks for the heads up.

[adbender]

I think I have to decide on a wheel choice and then figure out the semantics of tire brand and size. What do you guys think of of VMR's V710 wheel? I like h/silver and gunmetal, although each would give quite a different look to the car. Thoughts?

http://www.velocitymotoring.com/links/gallery/VMR_Wheels_Audi_A5_Silver_V710_18_Hyper-Silver_361.php

http://www.velocitymotoring.com/links/gallery/VMR_Wheels_VW_R32_Black_V710_18_Gunmetal_333.php

I have been himmin and hawwin over setups.

Bottom line...love the 810s in gunmetal, and should be a little more forgiving as far as dirt.

I was hesitant about running 245s, but 225s are not gonna fit that nice on a 8.5 rim. I want dunlop 3ds and they dont come in 225/45/18 as well

[Skyler@Achtuning]

We'll have a B8 in on Monday with some 245-40-18s going on, I'll try to take a look at the clearance with that size.

[L0U]

that would be great. 12mm bigger than those. hope there is room. (if there isn't I need to change my tire order)

[CaymanS4]

Thanks Cayman - were you concerned with the amt of sidewall and look ie went for more dry road performance over snow capability?

Yes, too much sidewall on the 50 series tire = less performance and figured it wouldn't look that good. Also, the 225/45/18 is only 0.2% off the stock 19s in size and is the same width as the 17 which is great for snow conditions.

[L0U]

Careful, there is really tight clearance between the tread and the suspension 40s vs 45 series would be about 12mm radius difference (3.5%), I think there is only about 5mm of room to go taller.

Good call, the warning sunk in, switched the order today. [race]

The 235 will still fit the 8" rim nicely, and yet is only 4mm closer to the strut than the 255 stockers. It was not worth taking the chance over.

(plus they were $150 less)

my winter setup for the S4 now, 235x45-18 Michelin alpin pa3 on 8x18 et48 OZ hlt Aleg rims. comes in at 41 pounds per corner. (60 pounds off the summer cars weight) this set in 17s would save 450 dollars and weigh 38 pound each corner, or 72!! less pounds total than stock. I'll take pictures later.

Lou

[blrs25]

Slightly off topic but was hoping someone might be able to answer this...Is there any hazard with getting a rim with an offset that moves the inside of the rim further away from the car than the stock rim? In other words shifts the entire rim further away from the car than the stock rim would sit. I can think of the benifits, just curious if there is any downside to doing this.

Ryan

[ChrisC]

I have been himmin and hawwin over setups.

Bottom line...love the 810s in gunmetal, and should be a little more forgiving as far as dirt.

I was hesitant about running 245s, but 225s are not gonna fit that nice on a 8.5 rim. I want dunlop 3ds and they dont come in 225/45/18 as well

Gunmetal is my first choice a) Easier to keep/appear clean. We all know it's a full time job keeping the wheels clean on this car the cold weather means less frequent cleaning b) Want a more distinctiver summer vs. winter set-up c) Was considering V708's but then it would look like an S-Line d) They're awesome looking wheels. I guess I'm looking at 235/45/18 or 245/4018.

Haven't chosen brand as yet.

Skyler - Can't wait to hear your input on Monday.

[Leo]

Hi Everyone. I am new to Audizine and this is my first post.

I have just received my winter set-up for my 2010 S4 and would like to share a few thoughts with you.

Put them on, test drove them and am happy to say that 17" fits well. No rubbing (turn to turn) and no clearance issues.

Summer set-up:
Original Audi tri-five 19" with Dunlop Sport Maxx GT 255/35/19

Winter set-up (purchased from Tirerack): Sport Edition F10 17x8 5-112 ET35 with Bridgestone Blizzak WS60 225/50/17.


According to Miata Tire calculator summers have 775revs/mile vs winters at 780 revs/mile, which means speedometer reading with winters will be 0.7% too fast (negligent).

The winter set-up sticks out of the wheel well about 2mm more than stock (again negligent and good news, since I do not want to sand blast the side of my car this winter).

The winter set-up vs stock are 10lbs lighter at each corner (46lb vs 56lb).

The ride height (with the winter set-up) drops about 3/4" to approximately 7 and 3/4" measured right in front (fender - not bumper) of the front tires

As for the WS 60, I can say that they are great tires. I have them on my A6 and drove them through deep snow, slush, ice, little snow, and the dry conditions last winter. With the Audi ESP they were great. Tire use was less than 2/32" for approximately 8000KM driven (my wife mostly drives the A6).

The WS 60's are great and are quite comparable to the Nokian Hakka 5 (studded) that I had on my STI. The studs in dry conditions (especially in fast corners were downright scary - unless you like to drift).

Sorry.....forgot to take photos[:(]


Leo

[GrnMtnS4]

Sounds great - please post a pic when you get a chance. Thanks for taking the time to bring some good info to the thread! Welcome to AZ!

Brad

[ChrisC]

Please post pics. I have read very good things about Nokian Hakka (unstudded). You didn't consider them this time around?

[L0U]

Careful, there is really tight clearance between the tread and the suspension 40s vs 45 series would be about 12mm radius difference (3.5%), I think there is only about 5mm of room to go taller.

Just back from the dealership, and checked out a S4 with 19s, and the A4 with 18s. The room behind the rim to the strut is enough to fit my fingers so 15mm at least from stock offsets....that is a ton since we usually push the wheels the other direction.

As for height............you could fit 30mm taller radius in there and not rub. My hands are small, but i could fit 3 fingers between the top of the tire and the strut brace. It is huge, usually struts have much, much less space...like my a3. But the B8s use a linkage front end.

So moving forward, if it doesn't rub the bodywork, it won't rub the suspension, on a B8.

My canceled 245x45s would have easily fit, but the 235s saved me money anyway.


Lou

[haulin oats]

I have a set of Work VS-XX in 18x8 ET45. Will those work for winter?

[L0U]

yes, I have the same rims. Perfect fit. for tires, 225x45 for slightly smaller than stock, or 235x45 for a bit bigger than stock.

[CaymanS4]

Here's my winter setup... Pirelli Sottozero W240 225/45/18, TSW Asan5 18x8 ET32.
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/Pirelli-Asan.jpg

[L0U]

we will have to do a photo compare once installed for november. my winters are coming soon, but the car is not...gotta wait 6.5 more weeks. Your tires will be a bit more flush to the fenders, about 11mm. Advans come in a 45et as well as the 32s. stock is 47.

[CaymanS4]

Sounds good, my Quartz Grey is due to arrive in 3 weeks, almost 4 weeks ahead of original schedule.

[Leo]

Here's the mags/tires. Once installed (sometime in November), I'll take a picture of them on the car.


http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/DSC04983.jpeg
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/DSC04984.jpeg

[iceboss23]

Am I missing something or is anybody putting 19" winters on their car? It seems like a lot of extra money to buy another set of rims unless there is something I dont know about 19" winter tires.

[CaymanS4]

Several reasons not going with 19" tires are:
1. 19" tires 255/35 are too wide and low profile for getting decent grip in winter/snow driving conditions.
2. 19" winter tires are more expensive, in my case $150/tire more.
3. Your tires are prone to damage every time you change your tires from your wheels and there's a cost each time you do this.
4. Overall, for a small incremental cost of buying 4 extra winter wheels, you get much better winter performance/safety on 18" or 17" with less hassle.

[iceboss23]

ok so what tire wheel combo will have the same profile as the prestige 19" setup? Is there a specific package on tirerack that people on here recommend? Im definitely looking to spend less than or as close to $1000 if possible.

[speedydragon]

^ there's no specific combo as long as the offset of the wheels are correct so you can clear the brakes. Also, the tires' load rating must be able to support the weight of the B8.

If you want to keep it OEM, you can probably go into the classifieds and look for an oem 18 set up. Or Look into some VMR wheels.

[equ]

Just for clarity, the tire calculators can be misleading. You can't beat clicking on 'specs' on tirerack and seeing the revs per mile of that specific tire.

FYI, the 19" dunlops are at 799. Most 245/40-18's are at 810. So you'll want to be in the 795-810 range for your winter setup. While it's understandable to want more rubber or to correct the speedo, don't forget that it makes it harder to match the donut spare in your car that's for use with 800-810 revs/mile. I consider the latter mismatch more important than a slight speedo overstatement.

[L0U]

yeah the ole doughnut a spastic. I am replacing my doughnut with a full size, whichever season it is will get one of the offseason set. Canadian cars have been coming with dunlops, michelins, or pirellis. Slight differences in them.

my winters are 791, fairly close to the 799 summers.

[Leo]

Just for clarity, the tire calculators can be misleading. You can't beat clicking on 'specs' on tirerack and seeing the revs per mile of that specific tire.

FYI, the 19" dunlops are at 799. Most 245/40-18's are at 810. So you'll want to be in the 795-810 range for your winter setup. While it's understandable to want more rubber or to correct the speedo, don't forget that it makes it harder to match the donut spare in your car that's for use with 800-810 revs/mile. I consider the latter mismatch more important than a slight speedo overstatement.

Yup you are right. Tirerack, gives 799 on the Dunlop 19" and 804 on the Blizzak WS-60 17".

[Sandy S]

Winter is approaching, I may do some traveling, and I didn't want to fool around so I just got the Audi Winter Wheel Deal. They are 18" Dunlop Winter Sport 3D on what I think is a A4 5-spoke wheel. I like the look and it runs fine.

[toppernh]

Sandy S, if possible can you post a picture of the winter wheels?

On the website http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en/offers/winter_wheel_tire_program.html, the Audi S4 2010 18" alloy wheel with Dunlop Winter Sport 3D are listed for $3,995!?! Is that what it cost? That seems outragous, epecially considering the 2010 A5/S5 package are listed for $2,595. The RS4 package with 19" wheels is listed right below it for $3,995 so it must be a website error.

[adbender]

Sandy S, if possible can you post a picture of the winter wheels?

On the website http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en/offers/winter_wheel_tire_program.html, the Audi S4 2010 18" alloy wheel with Dunlop Winter Sport 3D are listed for $3,995!?! Is that what it cost? That seems outragous, epecially considering the 2010 A5/S5 package are listed for $2,595. The RS4 package with 19" wheels is listed right below it for $3,995 so it must be a website error.

that's a misprint...on the pdf they are quoted as $2595, which makes sense.

what size rubber are they packaging on the 18s? 225/45 or 245/40?

[borutp]

I am planning to buy these for winters....what is your opinion?

18" 225-45-18 Dunlop Wintersport 3D

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/562652970.jpg


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[iceboss23]

looked at those myself. Im thinking of going with the elbrus I06. Why the Dunlop? Anybody have experience with the Bridgestone Blizzaks?

[ChrisC]

Hmmm. Wonder if Audi Canada is doing anything like this? A couple fo weeks ago my Dealer said they would build a package, but no special Offer meant approx. $3500 incl. tax for 18" set up.

[ChrisC]

Winter is approaching, I may do some traveling, and I didn't want to fool around so I just got the Audi Winter Wheel Deal. They are 18" Dunlop Winter Sport 3D on what I think is a A4 5-spoke wheel. I like the look and it runs fine.

What size tire? Is it an 8" or 8.5" wheel?

[L0U]

Hmmm. Wonder if Audi Canada is doing anything like this? A couple fo weeks ago my Dealer said they would build a package, but no special Offer meant approx. $3500 incl. tax for 18" set up.

you can get a nice set in canada from a toronto tire dealer for 3k all in for 18"

[celts17]

My dealer says the current winter wheel package is only available with the A4 five spoke 18 inch rims. Does anyone know if it will be offered with the S4 18 inch rims, and if not where one can get them?

[adbender]

looked at those myself. Im thinking of going with the elbrus I06. Why the Dunlop? Anybody have experience with the Bridgestone Blizzaks?

I really like the elbrus I06...a little dark and a little sinister.

Was even throwing around putting on some 18" ASA GT1 blacks with the machined lip. they are a 45 offset on 8" rims which more tucked in than stock 19".

Would prefer 35 offset on 8" rims to keep it aggressive looking...slush or no slush!

Partial to the dunlops as they seem pretty well rounded but they are not available in 225/45/r18...only can get pirelli sottozero 240...which are new but a good tire as well.

[Sandy S]

Sandy S, if possible can you post a picture of the winter wheels?

On the website http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en/offers/winter_wheel_tire_program.html, the Audi S4 2010 18" alloy wheel with Dunlop Winter Sport 3D are listed for $3,995!?! Is that what it cost? That seems outragous, epecially considering the 2010 A5/S5 package are listed for $2,595. The RS4 package with 19" wheels is listed right below it for $3,995 so it must be a website error.

I will try and get a picture tomorrow. The web site is wrong as the price was $2,595 plus $40 for mounting and balancing. My local dealer offered to store my summer tire for the winter but I have a place for them already.

[Sandy S]

What size tire? Is it an 8" or 8.5" wheel?

Sorry but I didn't see them without tires so I'm not sure what the actual width is.

It looks like they are A4 prestige five-spoke wheels so perhaps someone knows what the width should be. The tires are 245/40-18.

[borutp]

What do you all think of this winter tire?

http://eu.goodyear.com/home_en/tires/repository/ugp2/index.jsp



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[Nickyracer]

I bought 19" wheels for my S4 for the summer, and left stock 18x8" with 245/40R18 Nokian Hakkapeliitta R for the winter.
Here, in Russia, real winter (snow time) is about 5-6 month a year, roads are icy and very slippery, the majority of people prefer studded tyres, but happy AWD owners including myself may opt for unstudded.

[ChrisC]

Sorry but I didn't see them without tires so I'm not sure what the actual width is.

It looks like they are A4 prestige five-spoke wheels so perhaps someone knows what the width should be. The tires are 245/40-18.

That would be great if you can. I'd feel a lot better seeing the set up on the car before ploughing ahead.

[ChrisC]

you can get a nice set in canada from a toronto tire dealer for 3k all in for 18"

I thought I'd explore Audi OEM wheel options as well.

[sworksone]

OEM Audi rims are $$$$. Check out Achtuning. They'll ship replica wheels to Canada. With customs/shipping included it's less than OEM.

[KReddy05]

How do 19" winter tires work? I'm thinking of just keeping the 19" S4 rims and changing out the tires...

[ChrisC]

Sorry but I didn't see them without tires so I'm not sure what the actual width is.

It looks like they are A4 prestige five-spoke wheels so perhaps someone knows what the width should be. The tires are 245/40-18.

Are you sure about the tire and size? Tire Rack/Dunlop indicate that size is not available. Could they be 225/40/18 or 235/40/18?

[Sandy S]

Are you sure about the tire and size? Tire Rack/Dunlop indicate that size is not available. Could they be 225/40/18 or 235/40/18?

Just went out and double checked them. They are 245/40-18. Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D. Pics in the next post.

[Sandy S]

Here are some pictures of the Audi Winter Wheel package. It's been raining so the car is a bit dirty. These are 245/40-18 Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D tires on 18" Audi Wheels.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=3351&pictureid=9584

http://www.audizine.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=3351&pictureid=9583

http://www.audizine.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=3351&pictureid=9582

[ChrisC]

Here are some pictures of the Audi Winter Wheel package. It's been raining so the car is a bit dirty. These are 245/40-18 Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D tires on 18" Audi Wheels.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=3351&pictureid=9584

http://www.audizine.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=3351&pictureid=9583

http://www.audizine.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=3351&pictureid=9582

That's a huge help! I appreciate the pix and the effort.

[L0U]

Sorry but I didn't see them without tires so I'm not sure what the actual width is.

It looks like they are A4 prestige five-spoke wheels so perhaps someone knows what the width should be. The tires are 245/40-18.

those are 18x8 et47 from a b8 a4.

[jdphog]

Hi All,

I've been reading this thread with interest since I placed my order last Saturday. I'm very excited to trade my 10 year old 540i for a new S4 (Brilliant Black, Black Leather, Prestige, S-tronic, and Sport Diff).

For my winter setup, I plan to mount 225/50s on a set of 17" wheels, and I don't want to deal with centering rings. I'm hoping that these A4 wheels will fit the bill: http://audiexchange.oemdealer.com/a4-alloy-wheel-prod1151_2472_29310.php.

Should I expect these to clear the brakes and have the proper offset?

Thanks,
Jeff

[S4mat]

I MOVED THIS TO ITS OWN THREAD. NEED AN ANSWER QUICK.....OLD MAN WINTER IS ON THE DOOR STEP.
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4384509#post4384509



Bridgestone Blizzak LM-60 question:

When I add the 245/40 18" LM-60 to my tirerack cart and checkout I get the following message:

The following tire you have selected has a higher load rating than the vehicle's Original Equipment (O.E.) tires. This typically results in increased ride harshness, which some customers may find undesirable.

THE QUESTION: Will a 93 (O.E.) vs. a 97 (Winters) load rating be that noticable? Will I need a 200 pounder riding shotgun to smooth it out? Any of you using these tires now...how's she ride?

WINTERS
Bridgestone Blizzak LM-60
Size: 245/40R18
Sidewall Style: Blackwall
Serv. Desc: 97H
Load Range: XL
UTQG: Pending

O.E. TIRE
Pirelli Cinturato P7
Size: 245/40R18
Sidewall Style: Blackwall
Serv. Desc: 93Y
UTQG: 260 AA A

Load Pounds Kilograms
93 1433 650
VS.
97 1609 730

H 130 mph 210 km/h Sport Sedans & Coupes
Y 186 mph 300 km/h Exotic Sports Cars

[L0U]

Hi All,

I've been reading this thread with interest since I placed my order last Saturday. I'm very excited to trade my 10 year old 540i for a new S4 (Brilliant Black, Black Leather, Prestige, S-tronic, and Sport Diff).

For my winter setup, I plan to mount 225/50s on a set of 17" wheels, and I don't want to deal with centering rings. I'm hoping that these A4 wheels will fit the bill: http://audiexchange.oemdealer.com/a4-alloy-wheel-prod1151_2472_29310.php.

Should I expect these to clear the brakes and have the proper offset?

Thanks,
Jeff

The S4s brakes are an 1" bigger than the A4s. About half of the 17" rims will rub the caliper, noton the front face, but on the inner circumference.

The picture is of an A4, and it looks tight with those brakes even. As for offset, theyt would be fine. Those are oem spec wheels, but they are not oem. They just meet the standard. For 300 a rim, I'd do aftermarket 18"s, or audi replikas.

[jdphog]

Thanks for the input. They are sold by Audi dealers and are listed on the Audi Collection website, so I thought that they were Audi OEM wheels. How do you tell the difference?

I found them for as little as $250 on several web sites, so the price didn't seem too bad.

I'd really rather have a little more sidewall for winter, not to mention paying less for 17" tires. Unfortunately, all of the 17" options listed at Tire Rack say that a centering ring is required. It doesn't look like VMR has any 17" wheels, and the 17" pickings are pretty slim from Hartmann.

Unless I can find someone who has successfully used the Audi 17s on the S4, I guess my only option is to buy from my local dealer with the understanding that I'll return them if they don't fit.

[L0U]

they are sold as accesories for audis, so perhaps oem is kinda correct. They just don't come standard on any of there cars yet. maybe a dealer can test fit one on an S4, like you said.
http://audi.bernardiparts.com/Products/Audi-17-Winter-Wheel-(A5--S5)__8T0-071-497-A-8Z8.aspx

they fit the S5, so this is a good sign for circumference.

[sworksone]

Thanks for the input. They are sold by Audi dealers and are listed on the Audi Collection website, so I thought that they were Audi OEM wheels. How do you tell the difference?

I found them for as little as $250 on several web sites, so the price didn't seem too bad.

I'd really rather have a little more sidewall for winter, not to mention paying less for 17" tires. Unfortunately, all of the 17" options listed at Tire Rack say that a centering ring is required. It doesn't look like VMR has any 17" wheels, and the 17" pickings are pretty slim from Hartmann.

Unless I can find someone who has successfully used the Audi 17s on the S4, I guess my only option is to buy from my local dealer with the understanding that I'll return them if they don't fit.

I spent a lot of time looking into this and eventually settled on 225/45/18's on 18X8 Hartmann rims. Rim selection for 18" is good plus 225 width is better in the snow (narrower), 18" rims look better on S4 than 17" with no concern with clearance, and tire diameter is pretty much spot on with OEM 255/35/19's.

[Leo]

What kind of tire pressures are recommended on winter tires? Will they be different for 17", 18" or 19" configurations? Door sticker only has summer tire pressures of 41 psi for the 19" that I got.

[L0U]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=3129&pictureid=9849

I just need the car to put them on, 25 more days

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/MiniWheelSearchServlet?nonWinter=true&partNum=W0183020366A&autoMake=Audi&autoModel=S4+Sedan&autoYear=2010&autoModClar=Prestige&grid=true&winterIndex=77&sw=1024

[L0U]

here is a shot of freestanding winter next to the rear wheel.

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/s4winters.jpg

[GrnMtnS4]

oz looks good lou

[S4-Tommy]

Mine, with Original 19" painted in Titan black

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/Bild033.jpg

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/Bild031.jpg

[L0U]

I installed the winters today. They are 41lbs each, and the stock 19s with michelins were 54lbs each. (car just got 52 lbs lighter...maybe sub 4000 now)

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/IMG_1732.JPG


http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/IMG_17271.JPG


http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/IMG_17261.JPG


http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/IMG_1725.JPG


http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/oz.jpg

[CaymanS4]

Nice, lookin mean and ready for winter.

[MMIXR8]

L0U -- Looks very nice. No fitment issues?

I was looking at the same wheel and want to be sure that it fits the S4 perfectly. Picking up my S4 in about two hours.

Phantom Black 2009 R8 in the garage, where it will spend most of the winter I'm afraid.

[L0U]

you can get this rim in 35et or 48et. The 48et weighs a bit less, and puts the wheels under the car more for winter. The 35ets would look better no doubt. As for fitment, the car can fit a lot of tire. I have about an inch more to rub on the suspension for vertical direction. Maybe 3/4" bihind the tire....although 235s, so 255s would eat up space. There is at least .75 an inch in front of the wheel to be flush....I could run 20mm spacers if they were summers. Overall they are working well. I sometimes forget the winters are on, but when pushed you can tell it is not the sporty summer rubber.

[CaymanS4]

Winters are on.
TSW Asan5 18x8 et32 Pirelli Sottozero240 225x45x18
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/S4Winter2.JPG
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/S4Winter1.JPG
http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/S4Winter3.JPG

[L0U]

they sit nice and flush. hey man, you are leaking oil like there is no tommorrow, or are those slicks from the trade in?

[CaymanS4]

Just a wet spot, these cars are so hot.
It's water drainage off the car and since it's 5 degC, takes a long time to dry.

[L0U]

it really is dejavu every 12 months...lol

[Seinsmeld13]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7038/6786723186_3d01eb6f61.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64800495@N07/6786723186/)
2010 Audi S4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64800495@N07/6786723186/) by Seinsmeld (http://www.flickr.com/people/64800495@N07/), on Flickr
my winter rims with Yokohama Wdrive, great tires

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7186/6932841109_7af47ce3ca.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64800495@N07/6932841109/)
2010 Audi S4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64800495@N07/6932841109/) by Seinsmeld (http://www.flickr.com/people/64800495@N07/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/8066509465_2b17caf3e5.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64800495@N07/8066509465/)
2010 S4 with AWE PSS10 powder coated (http://www.flickr.com/photos/64800495@N07/8066509465/) by Seinsmeld (http://www.flickr.com/people/64800495@N07/), on Flickr

[SASKCHAUCH]

Sparco asseto gara 18 x 8 +35 offset, blizzak lm60 245/40/18 should have them mounted in a week or so depending on the temp

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t86/SASKCHAUCH/Winterwheels_zps7ad5eb74.jpg

[Snikt21]

Picking up my 2013 today with 19 inch titanium. I live in Ottawa so we get a lot of snow. Can I use 19 inch snows ?