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notjoefromnh
09-03-2009, 07:40 AM
APR, GIAC, REVO, UNITRONIC... How long do you think it will take until there is a chip and a exhaust released stateside. I love the car but it could always be faster. [evilsmile]
StratPete
09-03-2009, 08:16 AM
Exhaust very, very soon. Chip...a while. Could be a long while.
Ynnekdude
09-03-2009, 01:50 PM
Anything in the works for the A6 3.0T?
Calabria
09-03-2009, 02:03 PM
MTM I think already has a chip and possibly an exhaust...
Keith@APR
09-03-2009, 02:50 PM
Chip...a while. Could be a long while.
nah, we aren't dependent upon what everyone else must wait for.[cool]
Stone825
09-03-2009, 02:54 PM
nah, we aren't dependent upon what everyone else must wait for.[cool]
Yikes [>_<]
Keith@APR
09-03-2009, 02:55 PM
MTM I think already has a chip and possibly an exhaust...
Is it a flash? I think its a signal conditioner, no?
orlandosk2
09-03-2009, 03:01 PM
Is it a flash? I think its a signal conditioner, no?
The tuners at MTM have begun tweaking the all-new 2010 Audi S4 (B8) in Europe, and as expected, Audi's new supercharged 333-hp 3.0-liter V6 is rife with potential. With only a revised ECU and an underdrive pulley - no intake or exhaust mods - MTM was able to coax 430 crank horsepower out of the blown six - 97 hp more than stock.
Keith@APR
09-03-2009, 03:16 PM
The tuners at MTM have begun tweaking the all-new 2010 Audi S4 (B8) in Europe, and as expected, Audi's new supercharged 333-hp 3.0-liter V6 is rife with potential. With only a revised ECU and an underdrive pulley - no intake or exhaust mods - MTM was able to coax 430 crank horsepower out of the blown six - 97 hp more than stock.
Its available as either v-cantronic or m-cantronic which both are signal conditioners and not ecu flashes or ecu chips.
http://www.mtm-online.de/en/products?FZID=S4B8245Q&KIT=m3s4333430qmv
orlandosk2
09-03-2009, 03:23 PM
Its available as either v-cantronic or m-cantronic which both are signal conditioners and not ecu flashes or ecu chips.
http://www.mtm-online.de/en/products?FZID=S4B8245Q&KIT=m3s4333430qmv
so when are u guys releasing anything?
Keith@APR
09-03-2009, 03:36 PM
so when are u guys releasing anything?
No release dates as of yet but we are deep off in the ecu and don't see any issues with releasing a flash in a timely fashion.
Think BMW 335i if you follow how SIMOS ecu's or aftermarket ecu calibrations work in general and the challenges associated with them.
MTM has taken the Vishnu or Juice Box route thus far.
no pulley was required for the 430hp. maybe for a stage 2 500?
A4Ber
09-03-2009, 06:10 PM
Its available as either v-cantronic or m-cantronic which both are signal conditioners and not ecu flashes or ecu chips.
http://www.mtm-online.de/en/products?FZID=S4B8245Q&KIT=m3s4333430qmv
3,075.00 EUR?? lol..fuck that
UmIsThisThingOn
09-03-2009, 06:40 PM
No release dates as of yet but we are deep off in the ecu and don't see any issues with releasing a flash in a timely fashion.
Think BMW 335i if you follow how SIMOS ecu's or aftermarket ecu calibrations work in general and the challenges associated with them.
MTM has taken the Vishnu or Juice Box route thus far.
This is the new ECU from Siemens right? Was it in any other Audi prior to the S4? Are you guys having to start 'from scratch' or do you have a head start with prior work on other makes/models?
I look forward to seeing what you guys are working on. [wrench]
switchface
09-03-2009, 09:17 PM
Keith (or anyone) can you shed some more light on this? How does MTM or Sportec (or even APR to come) get such gains from just a tune and intake? http://www.sportec.ch/page7496.html
I know the gains in my b5 s4 were large because its easier to increase boost in turbocharged setups, but I *thought* you couldn't realize the same gains with a supercharger unless you swapped pulleys?
If this is the case, are we really looking at near 500hp levels for a pulley, tunes, intake and exhaust?
thewusman
09-03-2009, 11:58 PM
So far as I know, the new S4 ECU introduces a brand spanking new set of encryption protocols.
That's why MTM decided to take the shortcut route and go with a piggyback system. Cheap skates. And at their price they can just GF.A
I can't wait for APR and Revo to release their OBDII maps.
Perhaps we could even see some drive-select tweaked "launch control" ..... mmmmm that would be wicked.
Good times !
thewusman
09-04-2009, 12:01 AM
Keith (or anyone) can you shed some more light on this? How does MTM or Sportec (or even APR to come) get such gains from just a tune and intake? http://www.sportec.ch/page7496.html
I know the gains in my b5 s4 were large because its easier to increase boost in turbocharged setups, but I *thought* you couldn't realize the same gains with a supercharger unless you swapped pulleys?
If this is the case, are we really looking at near 500hp levels for a pulley, tunes, intake and exhaust?
"Variable" boost.
The eaton supercharger on the B8 S4 dumps a shite load of boost from around 2,700rpm and keeps on dumping it through to the red line. That's why the stock torque curve is artificially flat.
If you control the "dumping" of the boost (I suspect an electro-hydraulic valve of some sorts is regulating this) then you increase boost into the engine as a whole, and bobs your uncle, you get >300kw.
It's a wicked engine, and audi will be releasing it in future models in various states of tune. They deliberately designed it like this. Should compensate for altitude losses quite nicely as well.
Keith@APR
09-04-2009, 09:00 AM
"Variable" boost.
The eaton supercharger on the B8 S4 dumps a shite load of boost from around 2,700rpm and keeps on dumping it through to the red line. That's why the stock torque curve is artificially flat.
If you control the "dumping" of the boost (I suspect an electro-hydraulic valve of some sorts is regulating this) then you increase boost into the engine as a whole, and bobs your uncle, you get >300kw.
It's a wicked engine, and audi will be releasing it in future models in various states of tune. They deliberately designed it like this. Should compensate for altitude losses quite nicely as well.
Someone pays attention to the technology under their hood!
Yes, its an electronically controlled solenoid much like a wastegate duty regulation solenoid on a turbocharged engine that bypasses unrequested boost away from the combustion chamber.
Preliminary testing has shown that the Eaton on the 3.0T stays continually spooled to near 21 psi which all excess boost not requested by the ecu is then bypassed.
By asking for more boost, you ask for less bypass and therefore can get more of that 21'ish psi that is constantly being produced. Voila, instant 100hp. Thanks Audi and Eaton!
Keith@APR
09-04-2009, 09:03 AM
This is the new ECU from Siemens right? Was it in any other Audi prior to the S4? Are you guys having to start 'from scratch' or do you have a head start with prior work on other makes/models?
I look forward to seeing what you guys are working on. [wrench]
Simos was used in the 3.2 but not this version. The new Simos is only used in BMW GDI that I am aware of prior to the 3.0T.
The old Simos in the 3.2 is like ME5 or B5 S4 ecu's vs. MED17 or B8 A4 ecu's. Damn near completely different and light years of advancement in control strategies.
thewusman
09-04-2009, 11:56 AM
Someone pays attention to the technology under their hood!
Yes, its an electronically controlled solenoid much like a wastegate duty regulation solenoid on a turbocharged engine that bypasses unrequested boost away from the combustion chamber.
Preliminary testing has shown that the Eaton on the 3.0T stays continually spooled to near 21 psi which all excess boost not requested by the ecu is then bypassed.
By asking for more boost, you ask for less bypass and therefore can get more of that 21'ish psi that is constantly being produced. Voila, instant 100hp. Thanks Audi and Eaton!
Sounds most awesome !
I can't wait for the map to be released .... PM me if you need a guinea pig in South Africa towards the end of the year lol.
leviathan18
09-06-2009, 11:56 AM
Simos was used in the 3.2 but not this version. The new Simos is only used in BMW GDI that I am aware of prior to the 3.0T.
The old Simos in the 3.2 is like ME5 or B5 S4 ecu's vs. MED17 or B8 A4 ecu's. Damn near completely different and light years of advancement in control strategies.
i dont get what you mean, mind you my english is far from perfect.
the 3.0T ecu is light years more advanced than the MED17 in the A4B8 ?
i dont get what you mean, mind you my english is far from perfect.
the 3.0T ecu is light years more advanced than the MED17 in the A4B8 ?
no, the comparison in Simos 3.2 vs the b8 s4 is like comparing the ME5 (in the b5 s4) to ME17 (which is in the b8 a4. the b8 s4 is light years ahead of the technology in the 3.2
vagra4nt
09-08-2009, 08:38 AM
dear audi/vw,
please put this engine in your s3 and r32 (and make sure they get to America)
sincerely,
audi/vw community
Ynnekdude
09-08-2009, 03:31 PM
Someone pays attention to the technology under their hood!
Yes, its an electronically controlled solenoid much like a wastegate duty regulation solenoid on a turbocharged engine that bypasses unrequested boost away from the combustion chamber.
Preliminary testing has shown that the Eaton on the 3.0T stays continually spooled to near 21 psi which all excess boost not requested by the ecu is then bypassed.
By asking for more boost, you ask for less bypass and therefore can get more of that 21'ish psi that is constantly being produced. Voila, instant 100hp. Thanks Audi and Eaton!
From what I understand, the A6 3.0T and S4 have virtually the same engine. In that case, if an ECU tune were released for the S4 would a similar tune show virtually the same gains in the A6?
Also, please tell me you guys are working on upgrades for the A6 3.0T!!! [:D]
mtm has the same kit for the a6, and it puts out the same numbers as the s4 tuned 3.0
notjoefromnh
09-09-2009, 07:38 AM
mtm has the same kit for the a6, and it puts out the same numbers as the s4 tuned 3.0
The only downside to owning these cars is how new they are. Really no real engine modifications available stateside. Seems like it might stay like that for awhile...
Time to toss in a KN and hope to hear a bit more supercharger...
Keith@APR
09-09-2009, 02:34 PM
i dont get what you mean, mind you my english is far from perfect.
the 3.0T ecu is light years more advanced than the MED17 in the A4B8 ?
sorry, what I meant is that the version of SIMOS in the B8 S4 is light years more advanced than the SIMOS version used in the 3.2 Audi engine.
Keith@APR
09-09-2009, 02:36 PM
From what I understand, the A6 3.0T and S4 have virtually the same engine. In that case, if an ECU tune were released for the S4 would a similar tune show virtually the same gains in the A6?
Also, please tell me you guys are working on upgrades for the A6 3.0T!!! [:D]
yes, yes, yes, yes! So far it looks like the only diff between the S4 and the A6 is the OEM calibration. That means you'll get the S4 ECU Upgrade for your A6 and get the APR power plus the difference in Audi power between the two.