cayenne brake upgrade ???? what rotors????

[bergtho]

So I'm confused.

I ordered lines, went with the StopTech RS4 950.33005. They came and they don't appear to be the correct style, however, they are the same ones pictured at Achtuning and the same part number listed from StopTech itself.

They look like this...


But from what I've gathered they should look like this...


That one comes up under kit 950.33006.


I'm rather confused.


When fitting the 18z caliper it uses the Stoptech 950.33006 brake lines.

17z caliper uses Stoptech 950.33006 brake lines also.

[Greedo]

I dug through this thread a little more and it seems like you can run either/or on both the 17z and 18z.

I have the 18z, so to confirm; will I be able to run the 950.33005 on the 18z?

[mholme]

Some kits use flare fittings, some use banjo. I run flare lines on my 18Z set up. As long they are for front calipers, they will work.

[Greedo]

Appreciate the info. Glad to know I can run what I ordered.

[bergtho]

Good to know that both the StopTech 950.33006 and StopTech 950.33005 lines work with both the 17z and 18z calipers.

Does one model of these brake lines, either banjo or flare, have an advantage, such as being longer to allow for more suspension travel?

[udcc11]

Good to know that both the StopTech 950.33006 and StopTech 950.33005 lines work with both the 17z and 18z calipers.

Does one model of these brake lines, either banjo or flare, have an advantage, such as being longer to allow for more suspension travel?

You can get 034s. They are quite long.

[Greedo]

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/Insurgent561/8ECEFBF8-391E-406C-B091-BFF4FB593D25-2327-000001DAC32F9032-1.jpg

http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab30/Insurgent561/2F9A2000-DA73-466D-8794-074F2A8275BB-660-0000003B39C9F5BE_zps3122dff2.jpg

[zatch_303]

^ drooooool

[uponone nogaro]

Nice looking good ^^^^

[Greedo]

^ drooooool

If you're here in Colorado, you should check the link posted in my signature. We've got a good event coming up in October.

And thanks guys.

[EvilllEmpirE]

If you're here in Colorado, you should check the link posted in my signature. We've got a good event coming up in October.

And thanks guys.

18Z or 17Z and which rotors?

[Greedo]

18z with ML55 Zimmermans.

[S4 00 2.7]

18z with ML55 Zimmermans.

Looks great!

[udcc11]

Anyone stripped the bleeder on the Brembo 17Z or 18Zs? It seems to be common with Brembos on other cars and has been fixed. Has anyone had this problems with these and fixed them?

[Austonwerner4]

Would the 330mm rear cayenne brakes along with the 17z mess up the braking bias.

[coolgraymemo]

Yes

[udcc11]

Would the 330mm rear cayenne brakes along with the 17z mess up the braking bias.

The cayenne rear calipers do not have a parking brake either.

[Austonwerner4]

The cayenne rear calipers do not have a parking brake either.

Seems people are using a viper brake for that

[udcc11]

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e72/udcc11/Nogaro%20S4/IMG_20130903_174605_827_zps8f5aeccd.jpg

If any of you have the problem of a stripped bleeder they make a kit to fix it. This one used 1/8" pipe threads and you have to cut the tap as you go.

[Greedo]

So I have a random issue/question.

I installed the brakes a few weeks ago and have put literally 15 miles on them. That night I noticed a weird noise that sounds like that of a cricket; at the time I didn't think it had anything to do with the brakes as I did two axle rebuilds the same night.

Tonight I took the car to my buddy's shop so we could take a look. I noticed that under hard braking the noise stops, under moderate braking its more faint in sound, but under no braking it's consistent (and annoying). The noise is only coming from the passenger side only.

We looked and one of the mounting bolts (caliper to spindle) was just lightly touching the rotor so I added a washer. That has not solved my problem. The only other difference I could find was the retainer clip was flipped 180 degrees in comparison to the other side.

I also have a vibration which I assumed was due to not enough torque on the axle to transmission bolts, but I checked and they won't get any tighter.

I'm at a loss for the noise and vibration. I am running ML55 rotors and they seem properly bored to accommodate the hub. There's no play in the caliper (solid and no movement or slop), the pads are even contact to the rotor on both sides, etc.

Any thoughts?

[s vier]

Could a pad be slipping slightly on first contact? Like it is moving a fraction of an inch until it re-seats into the notches? Anti squeak applied?

[Austonwerner4]

I've got a set of 18z silver Porsche and 17z calipers for sale. Check the classifieds.

[AudiSportB5S4]

I have the 18zs up front along with a 300mm rotor in the back with the stock caliper.. What can be done to tighten up the brake pedal? It's got a good amount of moosh before they bite. They've been bleeded by a buddy of mine who is a VW tech using their super dooper equipment, so there is definitely no air in the lines. Just wondering if because the stock system obviously wasn't designed to run the real big caliper up front if something has to be done to make it feel more natural.

[Korben007]

I have the 18zs up front along with a 300mm rotor in the back with the stock caliper.. What can be done to tighten up the brake pedal? It's got a good amount of moosh before they bite. They've been bleeded by a buddy of mine who is a VW tech using their super dooper equipment, so there is definitely no air in the lines. Just wondering if because the stock system obviously wasn't designed to run the real big caliper up front if something has to be done to make it feel more natural.

Bigger master cylinder. How many miles on the setup?

[AudiSportB5S4]

Bigger master cylinder. How many miles on the setup?

Ah gotcha.. Has anyone changed that up on the B5 yet and noticed a difference? I have maybe 20k on the fronts, 3k on the rear. The problem has been there since going with the bigger fronts though for sure.

[disrepos]

Ah gotcha.. Has anyone changed that up on the B5 yet and noticed a difference? I have maybe 20k on the fronts, 3k on the rear. The problem has been there since going with the bigger fronts though for sure.

Running the full ABS test cycle in VCDS helps a lot. After a few months of normal driving, the car starts to feel like the rears grab earlier than the fronts, and the pedal has more travel overall.

I run the test every 3 months and it tightens up the pedal and produces more front end bite. 17z fronts, B6/7 300mm with 034 caliper spacer rears.

[PinoyS4]

Running the full ABS test cycle in VCDS helps a lot. After a few months of normal driving, the car starts to feel like the rears grab earlier than the fronts, and the pedal has more travel overall.

I run the test every 3 months and it tightens up the pedal and produces more front end bite. 17z fronts, B6/7 300mm with 034 caliper spacer rears.
Good to know thanks[;)]

[01nogaro]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/17/dasurega.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/17/uhajepej.jpg

A few pics of my 18z's that I recently put on. Love them.

[zatch_303]

looks fantastic

[S4 00 2.7]

Nice!

[01nogaro]

^ thanks guys, here's anotherhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/18/y9uqavug.jpg

[uponone nogaro]

nice

[dcc236]

Yellow calipers, BBS CH's & Noggy - Just beautiful!

[udcc11]

I like the black crossovers. Should of done that.

[PinoyS4]

Beautiful! Waiting for my yellow calipers to arrive from the shop tomorrow also. Ended up going with the giro discs for rotors. Ill take pics when it's all together

[Korben007]

Beautiful! Waiting for my yellow calipers to arrive from the shop tomorrow also. Ended up going with the giro discs for rotors. Ill take pics when it's all together

Where did you get yours done?

[PinoyS4]

Where did you get yours done?

Just got them painted and not powder coated. Some shop that does all our powder coating on our customers wheels called "wheel techniques"
http://m.wheeltechniques.com/?task=get&ihash=c582dee5bb&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wheeltechniques.com%2Fcustom-painted-wheels%2F

[nefkntym]

Wasn't there someone that said they were using B6/B7 rotors with 18Z calipers? Is that even possible? I have 17z calipers with v70r rotors, 18z would be nice for the better pad choices.

[disrepos]

Wasn't there someone that said they were using B6/B7 rotors with 18Z calipers? Is that even possible? I have 17z calipers with v70r rotors, 18z would be nice for the better pad choices.

18Z pads fit perfectly on V70R Rotors/17Z Calipers. OD and ID...... unless Centric sent me the wrong pads.

[udcc11]

I'm running 17Z pads in my 18Z calipers with the Mercedes rotor. Fits on there perfect.

[AudiSportB5S4]

Running the full ABS test cycle in VCDS helps a lot. After a few months of normal driving, the car starts to feel like the rears grab earlier than the fronts, and the pedal has more travel overall.

I run the test every 3 months and it tightens up the pedal and produces more front end bite. 17z fronts, B6/7 300mm with 034 caliper spacer rears.

Oh very good info.. I can just give this a run right? There is no bleeding to take place? Thanks!


^ thanks guys, here's anotherhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/18/y9uqavug.jpg

We're BBK bruddas.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3751/9690449839_675b882a42_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/47800376@N08/9690449839/)
2000 Audi S4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/47800376@N08/9690449839/) by AudiSportB5S4 (http://www.flickr.com/people/47800376@N08/), on Flickr

[01nogaro]

Sick pick and good choice of color!!

[AudiSportB5S4]

Sick pick and good choice of color!!

Thanks man.. Seems like we both have the right idea with the calipers.. haha. [up]

I want to give that ABS cycle a shot though so long as I'm not popping any bleeders.

[PinoyS4]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x187/Jeocap74/image_zpsb3901f7c.jpg (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/Jeocap74/media/image_zpsb3901f7c.jpg.html)

[01nogaro]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x187/Jeocap74/image_zpsb3901f7c.jpg (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/Jeocap74/media/image_zpsb3901f7c.jpg.html)


Niiiiccceeee! [hail]

[Militant-Grunt]

Has anyone actually tried running SRT6 rotors instead of the C230s? I don't like how the benz rotors are directional, but both are left sided. (Initially I thought it was a after market mess up, but after going to a benz dealership, this is how they come from the factory.) Not to mention the SRT6 rotor is 32mm.

SRT6 rotor


http://bremboaftermarket.com/Data/Images/5e314fa2-491b-4ff7-86d4-3898cd2bc227V1-600F800.jpg



C230 Sport rotor

http://bremboaftermarket.com/Data/Images/31d25fe8-46cf-42c8-8e5e-90ce7390afd8V1-600F800.jpg




I don't see any reason why the srt rotor wouldn't work, its the same height. Just thicker.

[s4avant87]

I guess great minds think alike....

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/sb04wrx/caliper1.jpg (http://s785.photobucket.com/user/sb04wrx/media/caliper1.jpg.html)
http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/sb04wrx/caliper2.jpg (http://s785.photobucket.com/user/sb04wrx/media/caliper2.jpg.html)

[PinoyS4]

I guess great minds think alike....

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/sb04wrx/caliper1.jpg (http://s785.photobucket.com/user/sb04wrx/media/caliper1.jpg.html)
http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/sb04wrx/caliper2.jpg (http://s785.photobucket.com/user/sb04wrx/media/caliper2.jpg.html)
Yup, nice!!

[udcc11]

I'm getting a strange rubbing sound when I turn the wheel past half of a rotation and am going more than 5-10 mph. I checked the inner fender well and there aren't any marks there. I checked the back side of the rotor and there were a few small scratches so I ground the uprights clearance from about 1/16" to 1/8" and it improved but it's still there. If I am on the brakes while cornering it doesn't do it. I can't imagine the rotor flexing that much naturally. Any ideas?

Edit: They are 18Z.

[michael66899]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x187/Jeocap74/image_zpsb3901f7c.jpg (http://s182.photobucket.com/user/Jeocap74/media/image_zpsb3901f7c.jpg.html)

Nice rotors [;)]

[PinoyS4]

Nice rotors [;)]

Thanks, I love em!

[Timtheguru]

I just ordered a set of these. They will switch you to USPS shipping if you ask, not sure if they have fixed the drop down yet or not. Looks much better than what I currently have.

http://www.racingbrake.com/Caliper-Mounting-Bolts-4-each-17Z-18Z-Calipe-p/m14x2.0x50.htmhttp://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/ofeb6.fdp3x/v/vspfiles/photos/M14x2.0x50-2.jpg?1362131089

[Austonwerner4]

I just ordered a set of these. They will switch you to USPS shipping if you ask, not sure if they have fixed the drop down yet or not. Looks much better than what I currently have.

http://www.racingbrake.com/Caliper-Mounting-Bolts-4-each-17Z-18Z-Calipe-p/m14x2.0x50.htmhttp://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/ofeb6.fdp3x/v/vspfiles/photos/M14x2.0x50-2.jpg?1362131089

There's better prices out there.

[EvilSmurf]

This thread is full of the win

[Timtheguru]

There's better prices out there.

Cool, why not share?

[AudiSportB5S4]

Has anyone who doesn't really DD the car considered the Wilwood rear caliper upgrade from 034? (parking brake removed)

They work with 300mm rotors.

[Austonwerner4]

Has anyone who doesn't really DD the car considered the Wilwood rear caliper upgrade from 034? (parking brake removed)

They work with 300mm rotors.

Im working on designing a rear bracket for the rear cayenne calipers, 330mm so the 350mm 18z will need to up front.
I am having a hard time finding rear parking brakes for cheap, I have been talking with a guy in the UK who has a CAD file for a billet parking brake.

[Austonwerner4]

Cool, why not share?

http://www.girodisc.com/Audi-S4A6Allroad-Brembo-18Z-Caliper-Hardware-Kit_p_6436.html

[Timtheguru]

http://www.girodisc.com/Audi-S4A6Allroad-Brembo-18Z-Caliper-Hardware-Kit_p_6436.html

Yeah, have those too, not what I'm looking for. I wanted ones that didn't have a spacer and also had a flange on the nut and bolt. You'd need to run washers with those girodisc ones not to damage the calipers and uprights. I thought you meant you could get the hardware I posted for cheaper.

[Austonwerner4]

Yeah, have those too, not what I'm looking for. I wanted ones that didn't have a spacer and also had a flange on the nut and bolt. You'd need to run washers with those girodisc ones not to damage the calipers and uprights. I thought you meant you could get the hardware I posted for cheaper.

Now I see the difference!

[BMW Alpina]

Hello Everybody,

I just register on this forum today.
This Thread is what made me decide to join this forum.
I don't have an Audi right now, hopefully someday :)
Preferably RS6 or RS7 :)

anyway,
I am interested in getting a Big Brake Kit for my car,
a cheap Honda Fit hahaha...
so this thread is pretty inspiring and gave me many ideas.

Now,
I do want to inform you guys that there is one rotor that I am sure will be one if not the best performing rotor
for you guys to use in your Audi (if cost is NOT an object).

That is this rotor:
Brembo Type 3 rotor:
Left Rotor Part Number: 09.9306.10
Right Rotor Part Number: 09.9306.20


The Spec of this rotor are
Overall Diameter: 350mm,
Thickness: 34mm, take note this rotor had the correct thickness for 18z caliper and 18z pads
Mounting Bolt PCD: 10 X 197mm
Cooling Vent: 72 Vanes (they also came in 48 vanes (different part number) that is cheaper if you guys want to save cost)


The Price of the above rotors are around $1,000 per pair just for the rotor.
You still had to make a custom Hat,
and also buy the mounting bolt preferably floating design if you already gone this far :)

But as you can see the spec of the rotor are PERFECT,
and the looks well,
you will see on some pictures of this rotor mounted on other car that I am going to post below,
I think it looks much better compare to other rotor out there.
and remember the shape of the slot on this type 3 is not just fashion but also functional.
The Type 3 brembo is the shape that you got if you specify for the "club sport" Brembo kit,
and also used in real racing.

at first I was going to buy a Brembo Gran Turismo Kit for my custom application,
but then the 6 piston Brembo "M" type monoblock bridge design is a bit too high and might not fit some 18in wheel.

The Cayenne (by Brembo) 18z Caliper looks shorter
because it do not utilize monoblock bridge but use the "brake hardware bolt kit"...
and this should fit my (Honda Fit) application better.

Oh,
I do want to ask THREE questions to you guys:

a. If you buy a Brand New Porsche 18z caliper from Porsche dealer,
did it came with the "brake hardware kit" ?
or
I still need to buy the "brake hardware kit" SEPARATELY?
I am talking about this brake hardware kit:
http://c1552172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/144659_x600.jpg
I am planning to buy a caliper brand new from Porsche dealer, and was wondering
whether I need to order the "brake hardware kit" separately or not...



b. For you guys that have the 17z brake pads,
could you please kindly give me the EXACT measurement of the Height of the Pads Friction Surface ?
I read somewhere here that the height is 60mm, but it might not be the exact number,
so could you please kindly tell me the exact height measurement of this 17z pads?
(just the height of the Friction Surface that will came in contact/swept the rotor
and NOT the total height of the backing plate/pads)


c. And if you guys can help further,
can you please give the the total height from the lowest/edge part of the 17z brake pads FRICTION Surface
to the Top/highest part of the caliper ?
I need this measurement so I can measure whether this 18z caliper with 17z pads using a 355mm rotor
can fit my 18in wheel,
This is because I plan to use the 355mm rotor (instead of 350mm rotor) for my car, and since my car is NOT an Audi,
I can have larger 355mm rotor because I am going to fabricate a custom bracket for mounting my caliper, while
you guys stuck with 350mm rotor cause you utilize the factory mounting position for the 18z/17z.
Oh, I also going to use 17z pads on 18z caliper since the 355mm rotor is not as tall compare to the 350mm in term of the friction ring surface.
oh, the 355mm is thinner at 32mm thickness so it will be lighter for my application (my Honda Fit is a very light car :))

so can anybody please kindly help me with my 3 questions above (including the 2 measurement)?

(I did consider the RS6 8 piston caliper, but they are not "leading" design, and I had to swept the brake fluid pipe on the caliper, while the Cayenne 18z caliper is "trailing" design, so it suit my car perfectly).

ok,
here is more pictures for you guys for the Brembo type 3 rotor,
they use this rotor for Porsche PCCB replacement rotor on 997 GT3 RS rear brake (350mm x 34mm)
please enjoy :


http://porterfield-brakes.com/images/productImages/099306102009_01_05_01_26_32.JPG

http://sharkwerks.com/images/products/Porsche_2-Piece_brembo_roto.jpg

http://www.sharkwerks.com/forum_photos/_997/2011_Porsche_997_GT3RS_SharkWerks_Exhaust_Guard_LS D_SharkWerks_coolantfix_brembo_typeIII_rotors/2011_Porsche_997_GT3RS_SharkWerks_Exhaust_Guard_LS D_Brembo_Type_III_rotors_coolantfix_29.JPG

http://www.sharkwerks.com/forum_photos/_997/2011_Porsche_997_GT3RS_SharkWerks_Exhaust_Guard_LS D_SharkWerks_coolantfix_brembo_typeIII_rotors/2011_Porsche_997_GT3RS_SharkWerks_Exhaust_Guard_LS D_Brembo_Type_III_rotors_coolantfix_45.JPG

http://www.sharkwerks.com/forum_photos/2011_Porsche_997_GT3RS_SharkWerks_Exhaust_RSS_Susp ension_TechArt_Noselif_Kit/2011_Porsche_997_GT3RS_RSS_Suspension_SharkWerks_E xhaust&TechArt_Noselift_20.JPG

http://www.sharkwerks.com/forum_photos/brembo_white_997GT2/2008_997GT2_brembo_upgrade_18.JPG

http://www.sharkwerks.com/forum_photos/Porche_997gt2_sharkwerks_new_moton_suspension_doub le_adjustable_kit/2008_997GT2_Suspension_overhaul_RSS_moton_22.JPG

http://www.sharkwerks.com/forum_photos/Porche_997gt2_sharkwerks_new_moton_suspension_doub le_adjustable_kit/2008_997GT2_Suspension_overhaul_RSS_moton_23.JPG

[Austonwerner4]

Sent you a PM BMW

[Hyphy]

I guess great minds think alike....

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/sb04wrx/caliper1.jpg (http://s785.photobucket.com/user/sb04wrx/media/caliper1.jpg.html)
http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/sb04wrx/caliper2.jpg (http://s785.photobucket.com/user/sb04wrx/media/caliper2.jpg.html)

Did you need spacers?

Anyone have a template of the 18z?

[nefkntym]

Did you need spacers?

Anyone have a template of the 18z?

X2 to for this.

[coolgraymemo]

Swapping out C230 rotors to V70R rotors.

3/4" bit stopped cutting.

Managed to get one rotor on. Centered well on 993 calipers, but rotor would not spin when caliper was torqued on.

Caliper - carrier bolts are a few mm too long. Jams into the back of the rotor.

Will shorten bolts a few mm. Should work fine.

[Timtheguru]

Swapping out C230 rotors to V70R rotors.

3/4" bit stopped cutting.

Managed to get one rotor on. Centered well on 993 calipers, but rotor would not spin when caliper was torqued on.

Caliper - carrier bolts are a few mm too long. Jams into the back of the rotor.

Will shorten bolts a few mm. Should work fine.

What part numbers for the rotors?

[coolgraymemo]

Not off-hand.

Google says "C-TEK Standard Rotor 121.39035."


I ordered rotors for a '04 Volvo V70R (equipped with 330mm brakes).

They look more massive than C230 rotors. Most likely due to the added with and because my old rotors were worn/turned.

[1sadavant]

RAYBESTOS 980521R, best price shipped you will find anywhere, only two left (http://www.ebay.com/itm/370857936013?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

[1sadavant]

Swapping out C230 rotors to V70R rotors.

3/4" bit stopped cutting.

Managed to get one rotor on. Centered well on 993 calipers, but rotor would not spin when caliper was torqued on.

Caliper - carrier bolts are a few mm too long. Jams into the back of the rotor.

Will shorten bolts a few mm. Should work fine.


What length carrier bolts are you using?

The easiest way to drill out the v70r rotors is to use a burr mounted to a drill or press, bolt one of the rear S4 rotor face to face with the V70r rotor (matching the hub shoulders because they’re the same size) and grind off the 2mm per hole to match the Audi bolt pattern.

[nefkntym]

What length carrier bolts are you using?

The easiest way to drill out the v70r rotors is to use a burr mounted to a drill or press, bolt one of the rear S4 rotor face to face with the V70r rotor (matching the hub shoulders because they’re the same size) and grind off the 2mm per hole to match the Audi bolt pattern.

The easiest way I found for drilling out V70R rotors.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-aGKLk2sJ9so/T8g6bZFzEPI/AAAAAAAABfk/vks0E57oBx0/w976-h732-no/CIMG3600.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WXe9JjTwaMY/T8g6awmNdyI/AAAAAAAABfc/-F9lNKjm898/w976-h732-no/CIMG3603.JPG

Put the rotor in a vice like so, and drill out the holes with a 3/4" drill bit and you are done. Took a couple minutes per rotor for all 5 holes.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f_jSIb0zEyE/UCsxS_zyTpI/AAAAAAAABuQ/h-wPSa2nn0Q/w976-h732-no/CIMG3706.JPG

[coolgraymemo]

How do you center the rotor once you are done?

My rotors have a few millimeters of rotational play.

[Timtheguru]

Rotational play? Would be locked down by the 90 ft/lbs of torque you apply to the lugs.

[coolgraymemo]

Just finished.

2Bennett Stage2 caliper brackets (bolts shortened ~ 2-3mm) + 993 Calipers + Volvo V70R rotors work.

You can probably get away with drilling the lug holes out with a 11/16" bit, but it will be a tight fit.

3/4" bit was nice and loose.

V70R rotors fit the caliper much better.

I was getting a slight rubbing/grinding sound when turning. Found light marks around the rotor, but didn't see anything that was rubbing. Drove it for around a mile and the rubbing is mostly gone.

[mec]

I love reading as much as the next guy, but 27 pages is a bit obscene. Is there any chance that the OP can update the original post with a list of rotors that fit the 18z kit for 350mm?

So far what I've heard is

Unobtainum rotors from ECS
JHM
Mercedez bens ML500
and extremely overpriced Brembo rotors

Does anyone have a rotor that fits perfectly? Or can we get a group buy going toward making a custom set?

[Mikse]

Yeah, have those too, not what I'm looking for. I wanted ones that didn't have a spacer and also had a flange on the nut and bolt. You'd need to run washers with those girodisc ones not to damage the calipers and uprights. I thought you meant you could get the hardware I posted for cheaper.
Are the Girodisc bolts long enough to fit washers on both sides?

[1sadavant]

Are the Girodisc bolts long enough to fit washers on both sides?

Probably not, if I understand correctly they are 50mm. Which might be too tight to run a washer.

[gmdiluca]

Oh very good info.. I can just give this a run right? There is no bleeding to take place? Thanks!



We're BBK bruddas.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3751/9690449839_675b882a42_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/47800376@N08/9690449839/)
2000 Audi S4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/47800376@N08/9690449839/) by AudiSportB5S4 (http://www.flickr.com/people/47800376@N08/), on Flickr

what slotted rotors are you using?

[Cadiburns]

what slotted rotors are you using?

Those are the JHM slotted rotors.

[AudiSportB5S4]

Yep, their version 1 rotors.

When I have to replace them, I'm most likely going down this route: http://www.girodisc.com/Girodisc-Front-2-piece-rotors-for-Audi-S4A6Allroad-with-Brembo-6-Piston-Caliper_p_6416.html

Also, great thread here on QW: http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4/msgs/190346.phtml

[gmdiluca]

will these work? http://www.buybrakes.com/p-627-power-slot-slotted-brake-rotors.aspx

anyone tried them?

[blubalz]

I wanted to have my brembo 18z calipers painted/powdercoated sprint blue pearl to match my b7. I live in nj and would prefer a place that I can drive to, but I wouldn't mind shipping as long as the work is top notch. Please let me know if anybody has any experience or recommendations. Thank you

[J.Owen]

Where in NJ?

[Timtheguru]

Let's keep on topic.. google powdercoating, look at reviews.

[Austonwerner4]

I have a set of 17z's if anyone is interested.

[udcc11]

I wanted to have my brembo 18z calipers painted/powdercoated sprint blue pearl to match my b7. I live in nj and would prefer a place that I can drive to, but I wouldn't mind shipping as long as the work is top notch. Please let me know if anybody has any experience or recommendations. Thank you

They would be shipped, but he did mine.
http://thepowdercoater.com/ Just make sure you tell him that the crossovers are flipped.

[dcc236]

I wanted to have my brembo 18z calipers painted/powdercoated sprint blue pearl to match my b7. I live in nj and would prefer a place that I can drive to, but I wouldn't mind shipping as long as the work is top notch. Please let me know if anybody has any experience or recommendations. Thank you

Do it yourself using the G2 caliper paint kit. It is surprising the quality of the finish you get. Have them sandblasted and rebuilt first.

[blubalz]

Let's keep on topic.. google powdercoating, look at reviews.

Sorry, I figured since it had to do with my Porsche bbk it was on topick. I will post pics once complete.[s4]

[blubalz]

Where in NJ?

North Jersey near the Lincoln Tunnel

[AudiSportB5S4]

Here's a good place in CT (http://shorelinepowdercoating.com/home/)

[james 408]

not to throw a wrench in the works here, but I would be very cautious in frankensteining a braking setup. There was an old article in like eurotuner or something that did a shootout on a b5 s4 with like 8 different brake kits. several of the brake kits did WORSE THAN STOCK in terms of stopping distance (although i imagine fade was still better with the bigger setups). this was explained that the front/rear proportioning and relationship with the abs system caused several of the setups to fail miserably.

I believe the best bang for the buck at the time was stoptech (although they used to be a lot cheaper).

[gmdiluca]

will these work? http://www.buybrakes.com/p-627-power-slot-slotted-brake-rotors.aspx

anyone tried them?

Bump, need rotors soon

[udcc11]

A week ago or so I noticed some rubbing noises on the way to work. Dove it home and parked it and decided to look into it today. Both rotors have scrape marks from the uprights. I have driven about 2,000 miles on them with no issue until this happened. Any idea what would cause this all of a sudden?

[Korben007]

Wheels bearings most likely getting sloppy

[Timtheguru]

Wheel bearings, or heat making the rotors expand.

[bobkatkat]

Bump, need rotors soon

These are a Stoptech 1 piece rotor. I don't think that vain pattern is available for too many fittings. I have one of their cryo slotted and drilled. Seem to be good rotors but heavy, heavy, heavy. (29 lbs)

here is a link to the rotors and the Power Slot (now called Sport).
http://www.stoptech.com/products/rotors/stoptech-sport-rotors

[oppositelock]

Wheels bearings most likely getting sloppy

Intersecting. This must be what causes the metal-on-metal sound I hear when cornering hard to the right. Wheel bearing isn't making noise yet, strangely.

[udcc11]

Wheels bearings most likely getting sloppy


Wheel bearings, or heat making the rotors expand.

Simultaneous wheel bearing issues on both sides though? The groves were roughly the same depth were able to be turned out. There were not any bearing noises before it happened. The bearings and control arms were looked over not too long ago and were ok.

The car wasn't driven hard and I wasn't hard on them to cause them to heat up beyond normal. It was rather cold that day as well.

[TEXAS TWIN T]

I had to remove material from the upper and lower area on the uprights to keep my ML55 AMG rotors from hitting. How big is your gap between rotor and upright?

[udcc11]

I'd guess about an 1/8 to 3/16".

[Timtheguru]

How about some pics?

[coolgraymemo]

My rotor hit the upright when making tight left turns. It did it for a few days and then just stopped.

[PinoyS4]

just buy the girodisk rotors. done!

[udcc11]

How about some pics?

Not much to take a picture of since the rotors have been turned and I've reground the uprights flat. The aluminium of the upright did melt a bit and leave a few small melted pieces on the back side of the upright.


My rotor hit the upright when making tight left turns. It did it for a few days and then just stopped.

Mine did this a bit at first and it was the edge of the bolts rubbing on the inside of the rotor. I took those out and took a grinder to make the tip angled. It stopped as soon as I did that.



just buy the girodisk rotors. done!

I plan on it eventually, but I'd rather find issues with $200 rotors than $750.

[1sadavant]

If anyone is interested , pm me as I can get a very good price on a pair of 345x32 mm brembo rotors for the 18z kit...best price out there on one piece rotors shipped.

[Flad.Solo.View]

hi everyone
finally i bought 17Z : )

i need an advice!
also i bought C230 Sport rotors but several persons have told me that it was a wrong choise because they are 330x28mm
and adviced me to change them with ML 330x32mm rotors (as stock 17Z uses 32mm)
can someone told me what to do: keep C230S rotors or sell them and buy ML ones?
thanks

https://h-a.d-cd.net/3eeb438s-960.jpg

https://d-a.d-cd.net/456b438s-960.jpg

[Dr.d]

I doubt 2mm per side is going to make much of a difference. From what I understand, c230 rotors are commonly used with 17z and ml55 rotors are used with 18z.

[gmdiluca]

Has anyone thought of running b7 S4 rotors? I'm sure its been discussed somewhere in this 28 page thread. I was wondering if i could run them with the 18z calipers. I read on QW that someone shimmed S5 rotors to work(i believe they are the same dimension). any thoughts?

[rtl5009]

Fatttttt pattttttt

[gottaBdope]

Has anyone thought of running b7 S4 rotors? I'm sure its been discussed somewhere in this 28 page thread. I was wondering if i could run them with the 18z calipers. I read on QW that someone shimmed S5 rotors to work(i believe they are the same dimension). any thoughts?

Uhh, my understanding that 17z runs 330mm and 18z can run either 330mm or 350/360mm. B7 S4s would be 300mm. Now, you could probably make the combo work, but I wouldn't do it. I got 350mm with my 18z and they work perfect. Running 18in wheels too.

[gmdiluca]

Uhh, my understanding that 17z runs 330mm and 18z can run either 330mm or 350/360mm. B7 S4s would be 300mm. Now, you could probably make the combo work, but I wouldn't do it. I got 350mm with my 18z and they work perfect. Running 18in wheels too.

I'm pretty sure they are 345x30 mm actually

[gottaBdope]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=423267

This is the thread I'm working off of...

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/26/subezaja.jpg

And these are the rotors I'm running. My brake and caliper set up is straight from the Cayenne.

[Dr.d]

You have to take into account the offset of the rotors. Just because the diameter and thickness is correct, or a rotor work with the caliper on another car, it doesn't mean that same combo will work on another platform. IMHO there's no need to reinvent the wheel. 17zs = c230 & 18zs = ml55, they're cheap and proven. You can also get two piece rotors from jhm, girodisk etc if you want to get fancy...

[Timtheguru]

You have to take into account the offset of the rotors. Just because the diameter and thickness is correct, or a rotor work with the caliper on another car, it doesn't mean that same combo will work on another platform. IMHO there's no need to reinvent the wheel. 17zs = c230 & 18zs = ml55, they're cheap and proven. You can also get two piece rotors from jhm, girodisk etc if you want to get fancy...

C230 are not proven, and are incorrect for 17z calipers as they are 28mm thickness instead of the required 32mm for the 17z caliper. Volvo V70R are the new standard.

[Dr.d]

C230 are not proven, and are incorrect for 17z calipers as they are 28mm thickness instead of the required 32mm for the 17z caliper. Volvo V70R are the new standard.

Thanks for pointing that out. I'm putting together an 18z setup right now so I guess I'm not up to date on the 17zs. But there are a lot of people who have ran them so if they're proven or not would be a matter of how you define the word. 32mm is definitely optimal though.

[Timtheguru]

I ran two different C230 setups, all had the incorrect vein direction. Always, one rotor would expel gasses outward, and one would push them inward (while going forward). Big flaw in Mercedes brake engineering.

[Flad.Solo.View]

C230 are not proven, and are incorrect for 17z calipers as they are 28mm thickness instead of the required 32mm for the 17z caliper. Volvo V70R are the new standard.

thanks for reply
can you provide a correct V70R rotors part number?

[Timtheguru]

thanks for reply
can you provide a correct V70R rotors part number?

Centric 125.39035 for both sides, these rotors have a pillar vein design so they are bi-directional (for lack of a better word).

Only minor updates need to be made to the upright and the dust shield. Offset is pretty good, but you may hit a pad post, if you do you need to either press in your wheel bearing more (or hub inside bearing), or grind the post a little bit, doesn't matter if you grind the post as the pad can never slip out.

http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4/msgs/190778.phtml

Content copied here for those in Ukraine who can't view QW..


"V70R rotors on now, what a difference from the C230 rotors. No more noise from the passenger side from overheating, I'm guessing is what happened with the C230 rotors.

I can confirm now that you do need to grind a little bit off of the steel uprights, top and bottom. The dust shield also needs to be mutilated a little to keep it. My passenger side outboard pad retainer pins on the 17z caliper also needed to be ground down a little. Not sure why, I'm thinking the wheel bearing has moved out a little bit. Wish there was something that holds those in..

The small amount of grinding here shouldn't cause any structural integrity issues, unlike some of those big L cuts I've seen people do, that just seems unsafe. Please correct me if I'm wrong in my line of thinking.

Also, the holes for the lug bolts on the V70R rotors only need a little bit trimmed outward, I didn't have a 3/4" drill bit so I used a round file and filed it down, after C-Clamping (x2) the rotor to one of the C230 rotors and using the 9/16" drill bit through the C230 rotor.. worked like a charm. :)"


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https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-NClctbDMAbE/UohNR7Cm5hI/AAAAAAAACf0/ZBBdFFgbYKI/s800/IMG_20131116_160123_035.jpg

[Flad.Solo.View]

Centric 125.39035 for both sides, these rotors have a pillar vein design so they are bi-directional (for lack of a better word).

Only minor updates need to be made to the upright and the dust shield. Offset is pretty good, but you may hit a pad post, if you do you need to either press in your wheel bearing more (or hub inside bearing), or grind the post a little bit, doesn't matter if you grind the post as the pad can never slip out.

http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4/msgs/190778.phtml

"page not found"
do you have volvo part number? because we dondt have Cenric here in Ukraine

thanks

[Timtheguru]

"page not found"
do you have volvo part number? because we dondt have Cenric here in Ukraine

thanks

Updated my post with the content of my post on the other site, Ukraine must block QW or something...

Anyway, the make and model is: 2005 Volvo V70R or V60R, 330x32mm rotor.

[Flad.Solo.View]

Updated my post with the content of my post on the other site, Ukraine must block QW or something...

Anyway, the make and model is: 2005 Volvo V70R or V60R, 330x32mm rotor.

thanks for the info!
if i right Centric 125.39035 is Volvo 30645222
they are 5x108, but audi reqires 5x112
any suggestions how to fix it?

here is my small chart of 330 rotors for 17Z

2005 Volvo V70R/S60R 2.5T 30645222
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/flatkiev/Cars/Pagid54781PROVolvoV70R.png

2005 Mercedes C230 Sport A 203 421 13 12
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/flatkiev/Cars/Pagid54198PROMercedesC230S.png

2010 Mercedes W164 ML 500 4MATIC A 164 421 04 12
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a196/flatkiev/Cars/OttoZimmermann400364820MercedesML500.jpg

[Timtheguru]

Center bore is perfect, and what to do about the bolt patern? Just drill them with a 3/4" bit. Just be sure to apply 90ft/lbs of torque to the lug bolts/nuts when you mount the wheels (depending on if you have studs or not).

From my post:

"Also, the holes for the lug bolts on the V70R rotors only need a little bit trimmed outward, I didn't have a 3/4" drill bit so I used a round file and filed it down, after C-Clamping (x2) the rotor to one of the C230 rotors and using the 9/16" drill bit through the C230 rotor.. worked like a charm. :)""

[canadianA4B7]

i have been sourcing all these parts over the last little while. Most is in the mail i only need to buy stainless lines as i bought rubber and want stainless. An im still looking into pads. Likely i should get the smaller 330 ebc pads on my 18z calipers but i just have not decided. Great informative thread. You have done everything to explain every aspect verywell. Im from the B7 section yet all the stuff used on my car was sourced as per suggestions from you all.

And 1515 complete. Minus a few 100 for my stock B7 brakes and the extra set of S4 rear calipers. I hope to be all in complete at around $1100 all said and done


Heres what ive got so far

Completely rebuild and powder coated 18Z calipers $600 i think
Mercedes ML55 AMG rotors 345x32. $130 shipped
Pads undecidedlikely EBC RED OR YELLOW size not sure which ill decide. $200 is my guess
Hardware front brake lines rubber $85 will change all to stainless so likely another $100 but may just do front stainless
Complete rear S4 calipers, new rotors, new pads, dust shields $450 shipped ill have a set of S4 rear calipers up for sale soon as i get them delivered contact if theres interest
So running total fronts and rears. $1515!!!!

May have missed something. But im thinking this isnt too bad for complete fronts and rears.

[canadianA4B7]

Can someone confirm this is the RED STUFF 330mm/touareg brake pad part number DP3997C? Im going to lookthrough this thread again but i just cannot remeber which thread had posted the part number for pads.

[bobkatkat]

I am not sure if anybody has put one of these up here before but here it is anyway. These rotors all will work with some tweaking. Please add your experience with all of thes

I personally know that:

1. the ML55 work with on a 18z with 18z pads just have to grind the pins in the caliper as it does not run perfectly in the center and open up the center bore a bit.

2. I also have tried both the GL versions and both the 17z and the 18z can use the 17z pads, you have to grind the uprights more but the caliper will center on the rotor perfectly. Once again you have to open the bore.

Of the three I have tried the 350 mm GL look the best, look the biggest & run the centered on the caliper and the 17z pads fit the surface perfectly but are very heavy!!! 29lbs!!!!!!!.

I am going to be switching over to the girodisk ones as they are light and fit perfectly.

http://www.intocco.com/images/rotors.JPG

[Austonwerner4]

Google audibbkparts.
That's the best price on hardware that I found.

[GT3_BBK]

Google audibbkparts.
That's the best price on hardware that I found.

Is this the right one I need? http://audibbkparts.bigcartel.com/product/brembo-17z-18z-caliper-mounting-hardware-for-audi

[S4 00 2.7]

I am not sure if anybody has put one of these up here before but here it is anyway. These rotors all will work with some tweaking. Please add your experience with all of thes

I personally know that:

1. the ML55 work with on a 18z with 18z pads just have to grind the pins in the caliper as it does not run perfectly in the center and open up the center bore a bit.

2. I also have tried both the GL versions and both the 17z and the 18z can use the 17z pads, you have to grind the uprights more but the caliper will center on the rotor perfectly. Once again you have to open the bore.

Of the three I have tried the 350 mm GL look the best, look the biggest & run the centered on the caliper and the 17z pads fit the surface perfectly but are very heavy!!! 29lbs!!!!!!!.

I am going to be switching over to the girodisk ones as they are light and fit perfectly.

http://www.intocco.com/images/rotors.JPG

+1 on girodisc

[udcc11]

I am not sure if anybody has put one of these up here before but here it is anyway. These rotors all will work with some tweaking. Please add your experience with all of thes

I personally know that:

1. the ML55 work with on a 18z with 18z pads just have to grind the pins in the caliper as it does not run perfectly in the center and open up the center bore a bit.

2. I also have tried both the GL versions and both the 17z and the 18z can use the 17z pads, you have to grind the uprights more but the caliper will center on the rotor perfectly. Once again you have to open the bore.

Of the three I have tried the 350 mm GL look the best, look the biggest & run the centered on the caliper and the 17z pads fit the surface perfectly but are very heavy!!! 29lbs!!!!!!!.

I am going to be switching over to the girodisk ones as they are light and fit perfectly.

http://www.intocco.com/images/rotors.JPG

The Audi rotors are too thin I believe.

[LINDW4LL]

Best Rotor Choices (Single Piece):

18Z
ML55 AMG

17Z
C230 Sport
Volvo V70R

[Austonwerner4]

Is this the right one I need? http://audibbkparts.bigcartel.com/product/brembo-17z-18z-caliper-mounting-hardware-for-audi

Yes thats it


Best Rotor Choices (Single Piece):

18Z
ML55 AMG

17Z
C230 Sport
Volvo V70R

I agree with this

[Hyphy]

What about two piece? Girodisk or racing brake? Who has run these?

[Timtheguru]

Yes thats it



I agree with this

C230 rotor needs to be killed, it "Works" but it is the wrong spec thickness for the caliper, actually it's at the bare minimum.

[gmdiluca]

I am not sure if anybody has put one of these up here before but here it is anyway. These rotors all will work with some tweaking. Please add your experience with all of thes

I personally know that:

1. the ML55 work with on a 18z with 18z pads just have to grind the pins in the caliper as it does not run perfectly in the center and open up the center bore a bit.

2. I also have tried both the GL versions and both the 17z and the 18z can use the 17z pads, you have to grind the uprights more but the caliper will center on the rotor perfectly. Once again you have to open the bore.

Of the three I have tried the 350 mm GL look the best, look the biggest & run the centered on the caliper and the 17z pads fit the surface perfectly but are very heavy!!! 29lbs!!!!!!!.

I am going to be switching over to the girodisk ones as they are light and fit perfectly.

http://www.intocco.com/images/rotors.JPG

I'm about to install 18z pads with ML55 rotors… haven't heard about this modification of the calliper pins before? I've heard other people bolt them up just fine? the over hang seems minuscule.

[Timtheguru]

I believe the pins become an interference item with the rotor when the wheel bearing and hub have either A) worked their way outward or B) not pressed in all the way.

There is no retainer on the front wheel bearings, like a circlip, so these are prone to movement. Even the axle bolt will not hold the bearing into the upright. This is probably only applicable to steel uprights, though.

[canadianA4B7]

Ive also got the front and rear bbks going onto my B7 using 18z calipers and ml55 rotors. Ive read this thread 2x now. And it was recently i read about the pins. Im going to take pics of what i can when i install. Ill do my best to measure this clearence. But its good to know prior to install. And after about 12 hours of pad searching it seems the the hawk pads have the least amount of overhang...... So i bought them today. Minimal track use so im not to concerned about pads.

Glad this info was all posted.

[gmdiluca]

What part if Ontario are you from? And I got the hawk Hps in the 350mm size. Which did you order? I did some more research and asked another guy on this forum who is running my exact set up and he never modified the clips. A year later and no issues.

[LoonyBoyo]

just wack on merc ml 350mm discs and ferodo premier pads

[gmdiluca]

just wack on merc ml 350mm discs and ferodo premier pads

Thats my plan but with the Hawks. idk where this clip mod came from. while were on the discussion of pads though, whats the best track pads for the porsche calliper setups?

[LINDW4LL]

Thats my plan but with the Hawks. idk where this clip mod came from. while were on the discussion of pads though, whats the best track pads for the porsche calliper setups?
EBC YellowStuf

And I haven't heard of anyone having to modify the caliper pins with the ML55 rotors... It should be centered.

[canadianA4B7]

What part if Ontario are you from? And I got the hawk Hps in the 350mm size. Which did you order? I did some more research and asked another guy on this forum who is running my exact set up and he never modified the clips. A year later and no issues.

Niagara on the lake. Bout an hour or so to Vaughan. Thanx for the info! Good to hear from a moderately local member. Bought same pads you got. For the 350mm 18Z setup. I'll. File a bit off them if it's required. Otherwise just gonna install and enjoy

http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r541/canadianA4B7/IMG_20140404_134322_zps34dc3dfd.jpg (http://s1171.photobucket.com/user/canadianA4B7/media/IMG_20140404_134322_zps34dc3dfd.jpg.html)
heres what ill be working with

[gmdiluca]

Too bad you weren't any closer. A lot of good meets around here. I picked up the rotors and pads today. They don't seem to overhang very much, at least not enough to cause an issue. good luck with the kit.

[canadianA4B7]

So i have a problem. How do i trick the car into thinking the pads are in good condition/ not worn down. The pads i bought DO NOT have the sensors built into them. Now i assume a resistor might solve this? Anyone that can help please do! Cars torn down and need to get it back together b4 subday!

[Timtheguru]

So i have a problem. How do i trick the car into thinking the pads are in good condition/ not worn down. The pads i bought DO NOT have the sensors built into them. Now i assume a resistor might solve this? Anyone that can help please do! Cars torn down and need to get it back together b4 subday!

All you need is to connect the two wires together, aka bridge the connection.

I used the old sensor connectors from a set of worn out pads and twisted the wires together and heat shrunk the connection with weatherproof heatshrink stuff.

[canadianA4B7]

All you need is to connect the two wires together, aka bridge the connection.

I used the old sensor connectors from a set of worn out pads and twisted the wires together and heat shrunk the connection with weatherproof heatshrink stuff.

I had just considered this! Was going to just use a stake on connector that fits into the plug in and tape/heat shrink it. Thanx ill post up some pics later. Quite the job!

[canadianA4B7]

Whats everybody doing w the new brake lnes? Theres no longer the metal mounting bracket? Im worried the line may come n contact with the axle? Ty-wrap it to the wheel speed sensor?

[TEXAS TWIN T]

I made a bracket something like the B7 RS4 uses...

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/571756-I-finally-got-my-18z-BBk-installed…

[GT3_BBK]

I have a hardware bolt set for sale.

[gmdiluca]

Just had my setup installed todayhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/28/ga3abame.jpg!


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[zatch_303]

Looks good! Love the ch's too!

[PenTico]

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/medium/bbk_audi_sport_2.jpg
just got done with powdercoating 18z in gold!

[Flad.Solo.View]

give me an advice
will 17Z fit Avus R18" with ET45 (Audi A6 C5 1.8T FWD)?
my stock ET is 35 for J8" wheels + wide calipers...
also what about the weight of Avus wheels?

[LINDW4LL]

They'll fit but you may need spacers

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[Flad.Solo.View]

They'll fit but you may need spacers

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thanks for reply!
i found that they are to heavy for me.. will look for lighter ones

[julex]

How about Audi S5 rotors on 18z calipers. On paper they are pretty much good enough size wise and no mods required to them whatsoever?. They can be gotten in 2-piece design (18.45lb) at ECS for $499 shipped for pair...:

http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/SiteSearch/000690ECS01AKT/ES2602983/

[LINDW4LL]

Only 30mm thick. ML55 is a great option since you only need to open the center bore.

Has anyone tried the A7 rotor? It's 356x34mm and the height/offset is 1mm taller than the ML55. The center bore is also 68mm already and you get 2mm extra thickness.

[julex]

Only 30mm thick. ML55 is a great option since you only need to open the center bore.

Has anyone tried the A7 rotor? It's 356x34mm and the height/offset is 1mm taller than the ML55. The center bore is also 68mm already and you get 2mm extra thickness.

People are running 28mm C230 rotors without issues so I doubt 30mm will be that detrimental... Brembo pistons extend a long way before there are problems with over extension.

$500 for a two piece rotor set (Shipped) is phenomenal price wise.


can you find 2-piece rotor set for A7 for $500?
356 might be to tall and cause rubbing at caliper (can't fix that)
34mm might be too wide to fit into rotor (you can always shave the pad I guess, and pins if they rub)
A7 are awfully heavy at 30lb each

[LINDW4LL]

@julex Ahh yes, if you are going two piece then those may be a good option as affordable 2pc are difficult to find. I was just saying I would rather have 32mm than 30mm thick. 2pc will obviously provide more benefit.

I don't believe 355mm is an issue but will confirm. Also the OEM Cayenne rotors are 34mm thick so no issues there.

[julex]

@julex Ahh yes, if you are going two piece then those may be a good option as affordable 2pc are difficult to find. I was just saying I would rather have 32mm than 30mm thick. 2pc will obviously provide more benefit.

I don't believe 355mm is an issue but will confirm. Also the OEM Cayenne rotors are 34mm thick so no issues there.

Cool! I will simmer on that ECS S5 option for a bit. Girodisc in 32mm is "only" 1.5x more.....

[Austonwerner4]

Has anyone used the 345x30mm A7 rotors?

[Austonwerner4]

Or S5 since they look to be the same.

[canadianA4B7]

So these have been on for a few months now, also got a set of S4 300mm rears installed onto my car. Bed them in as per most of the suggested bed in procedures. Im using the HPS pads and now they squeel like crazy but only under light braking. 20km/h or less im assuming i need that alternate brake pad squeel goop (red stuff dont know the name). Any thing else or buy some alternate pads and just see what make less noise?

Ive also tried doing a number of hard stops. Odly enough hard stops make no noise at all what so ever. I guess ill just have to live w it?

Last thing. Sometimes when i release the brakes it sounds like you can kinda hear them opening? Is that my brake cylinder on its way out?

[Timtheguru]

So these have been on for a few months now, also got a set of S4 300mm rears installed onto my car. Bed them in as per most of the suggested bed in procedures. Im using the HPS pads and now they squeel like crazy but only under light braking. 20km/h or less im assuming i need that alternate brake pad squeel goop (red stuff dont know the name). Any thing else or buy some alternate pads and just see what make less noise?

Ive also tried doing a number of hard stops. Odly enough hard stops make no noise at all what so ever. I guess ill just have to live w it?

Last thing. Sometimes when i release the brakes it sounds like you can kinda hear them opening? Is that my brake cylinder on its way out?

You need goop, and that's it. The squealing that is heard from brakes is typically a metal on metal vibration, so the goop or brake lube will most likely fix your issue. Light braking would cause more of the vibrations that cause this kind of noise than hard braking where a lot of force is pushing on the pads.

[canadianA4B7]

You need goop, and that's it. The squealing that is heard from brakes is typically a metal on metal vibration, so the goop or brake lube will most likely fix your issue. Light braking would cause more of the vibrations that cause this kind of noise than hard braking where a lot of force is pushing on the pads.

Ok thanx. It seems to only be front right side. But i hear you on getting the goop. Ive called hawk in the mean time as a few performance shops have said i may have got a set that was "off the back of a truck" thanx random online retailer selling for cheap. But im gonna buy the goop and see how that goes first. If hawk wants to send me a free set im up for that aswell.

[Austonwerner4]

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[jbain2]

^ are those the A7 rotors?

[Austonwerner4]

^ are those the A7 rotors?

ML55 AMG

[jbain2]

^ you mentioned in a previous post about trying the A7 or S5. Just wondering if those were them. Thanks.

[Austonwerner4]

^ you mentioned in a previous post about trying the A7 or S5. Just wondering if those were them. Thanks.

I was planning on it, and still might
But I just wanted to get something that I know fit so I can worry about one less thing when trying to finish my car.

[gmdiluca]

What pads are you running?

[Austonwerner4]

Ebc yellow.

[LINDW4LL]

I've been doing some research on the TT-RS brakes and found something interesting.

The TTRS has a 25.4mm master cylinder, the same as the B5 S4, B6/B7 A4. It' has 4-piston Brembo F40 calipers, and the total piston area is ~5554mm. The total area for the 18Z caliper is ~5497mm.

I know that in the past some Brembo/AP/Stoptech fanboys have made a big deal about the piston area of the Cayenne caliper area being "way too large" for the S4s stock master cylinder. Obviously the rest of us know these work perfectly fine, just thought it was interesting to see that the piston area is actually less less than the OEM has on their cars with the same MC size.

[gmdiluca]

So I went to track the other day to do some lapping…. get home and wash my car and I notice the brake dust is BAKED into my freshly Powder coated 18Z!!!! Very disappointed. any idea if this can be cleaned off or not and how? figured id post here since this is the most visited Cayenne bbk thread and most are powder coated.

[Timtheguru]

So I went to track the other day to do some lapping…. get home and wash my car and I notice the brake dust is BAKED into my freshly Powder coated 18Z!!!! Very disappointed. any idea if this can be cleaned off or not and how? figured id post here since this is the most visited Cayenne bbk thread and most are powder coated.

Soak with simple green. Switch to ceramic pads.

[gmdiluca]

Soak with simple green. Switch to ceramic pads.

I was under the impression most race pad compounds are metallic based though?

[gmdiluca]

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Ok so this is what I have to deal with. I've tried Sonax and Grime Off to little effect. Any suggestions for a harsher solvent? I'm gonna pull off the wheels and start scrubbing with a tooth brush.

Anyone experience this before?

[bobkatkat]

So I went to track the other day to do some lapping…. get home and wash my car and I notice the brake dust is BAKED into my freshly Powder coated 18Z!!!! Very disappointed. any idea if this can be cleaned off or not and how? figured id post here since this is the most visited Cayenne bbk thread and most are powder coated.

Most powder coating has a softening temp of 80C and a melting temp of 150C. High heat paint for calipers are good for at least 500C even in a rattle can. None of the 18z are powder coated at the factory. Very few OEM calipers have PC. Hard Baked Painted any day over PC. Brembo calipers come painted, not powder coated, from the factory.

[Audimilo]

Most powder coating has a softening temp of 80C and a melting temp of 150C. High heat paint for calipers are good for at least 500C even in a rattle can. None of the 18z are powder coated at the factory. Very few OEM calipers have PC. Hard Baked Painted any day over PC. Brembo calipers come painted, not powder coated, from the factory.

^ Good insight right there for those deciding btw PC and Paint.

[LINDW4LL]

Very few OEM calipers have PC. Hard Baked Painted any day over PC. Brembo calipers come painted, not powder coated, from the factory.
Yep. All high end Brembos are painted. I believe powder coating also traps more heat inside the caliper compared to paint, leading to higher fluid temps.

Of course, for people who just want a durable finish for street driving, powder coating is a good choice.

[gmdiluca]

Most powder coating has a softening temp of 80C and a melting temp of 150C. High heat paint for calipers are good for at least 500C even in a rattle can. None of the 18z are powder coated at the factory. Very few OEM calipers have PC. Hard Baked Painted any day over PC. Brembo calipers come painted, not powder coated, from the factory.

Great advice! but I was trying to say a lot of people rebuilding these callipers are PC them not saying they come PC from the factory.
Looks like they are gonna have to come off to be painted properly that way I can look good at shows and track her now and then. (wish I knew this earlier)

Thanks for the help! I'm still open to suggestions for cleanings these things because they aren't coming off to be painted until the winter...

[bobkatkat]

Great advice! but I was trying to say a lot of people rebuilding these callipers are PC them not saying they come PC from the factory.
Looks like they are gonna have to come off to be painted properly that way I can look good at shows and track her now and then. (wish I knew this earlier)

Thanks for the help! I'm still open to suggestions for cleanings these things because they aren't coming off to be painted until the winter...

Most likely the brake dust has fixed itself to the PC. You could try rubbing compound or scratch remover and buff. Maybe hit it with some clear caliper paint after you get it cleaned up to keep it from happening again until you can remove the PC and paint.

[Austonwerner4]

Can someone take a picture the brake pad sensor plig thats on the car?

[jeffreyk]

Has one run or test fitted the S5 brake rotors with 18z calipers?

I'm thinking of the ECS 2-piece S5 rotors, but don't want to spend $500 to find out they don't fit… By the numbers they should be a bolt on upgrade with the 18z. No grinding or cutting anywhere. Just 30mm wide instead of 32.

Jeff

[LINDW4LL]

Has one run or test fitted the S5 brake rotors with 18z calipers?

I'm thinking of the ECS 2-piece S5 rotors, but don't want to spend $500 to find out they don't fit… By the numbers they should be a bolt on upgrade with the 18z. No grinding or cutting anywhere. Just 30mm wide instead of 32.

Jeff

They should work fine, my friend was going to confirm but he was rushed and just bought ML55. But if anything they'd only be off by a millimeter or two (offset). They should be good.

Are the ECS rotors not returnable? You could always buy a cheap S4/S5 rotor on RockAuto and test fit that, and then return it.


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[JTown77]

So I am late to the bb upgrade party, I have read many of the threads but have found little con consensus...

With 17z I am better off with the volvo v70r rotors? No track use, longevity and warp are the greatest concern.

[LINDW4LL]

Yes, the Volvo rotors are the best choice.


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[ajax1976]

Been running 18zs for 18mths and still love them but my only issue is the offset of the wheel required to clear them. Does anybody know if the RS4 set up is a little bit slimmer??

I've searched and searched but found no conclusive answers, I only really need an extra few mm clearance.

[bobkatkat]

Been running 18zs for 18mths and still love them but my only issue is the offset of the wheel required to clear them. Does anybody know if the RS4 set up is a little bit slimmer??

I've searched and searched but found no conclusive answers, I only really need an extra few mm clearance.

Take a look at this graphic from my earlier post. It all depends on the rotor. I had much more clearance on the GL550 rotors than with my current AMG ml55 rotors. GL were 4 mm further inboard that MLs. That translated to about 7 mm more of wheel spoke clearance. Next rotors i will look for a taller hat again. I used high quality large stainless steel washers as shims to move caliper in with the rotor.

http://www.intocco.com/images/rotors.JPG

[ElementR]

FWIW - I intended to go with an 18Z setup, but after checking sizing with the template from ECS, I learned that the 18Z calipers would interfere with not only the spokes (which a small 3-5mm spacer would fix) but also the inner barrel of the wheel. I have B7 ('06-'08) style 18x8" RS4 reps on my car. For whatever reason, the ID of these wheels must run small for an 18" wheel. The caliper would clearly interfere by 2-3mm with the inner barrel and I'm positive the template was printed to the correct scale (I measured to confirm) and placed accordingly on the wheel (verified with ECS). So, I decided to pick-up a set of 17Z calipers and buy a set of 330mm S60R rotors (ironically, I also own an S60R). This ought to work since the 17Z and 18Z calipers are basically the same aside from the 18Z sitting about 10mm further outboard in order to clear the 350mm rotor. I would have preferred the look of the larger rotor, but it's not worth swapping wheels to me.

[LINDW4LL]

Take a look at this graphic from my earlier post. It all depends on the rotor. I had much more clearance on the GL550 rotors than with my current AMG ml55 rotors. GL were 4 mm further inboard that MLs. That translated to about 7 mm more of wheel spoke clearance. Next rotors i will look for a taller hat again. I used high quality large stainless steel washers as shims to move caliper in with the rotor.
I don't understand what you're getting at. The caliper is fixed to the upright/knuckle. Wheel clearance has nothing to do with the rotor, unless you're modifying the caliper to fit said rotor.

[Austonwerner4]

I would also take the 3.5lbs weight saving from the Ml55

[bobkatkat]

I don't understand what you're getting at. The caliper is fixed to the upright/knuckle. Wheel clearance has nothing to do with the rotor, unless you're modifying the caliper to fit said rotor.

Not sure where zillarobs quote went to?? Yes the caliper is fixed to the upright but just like a lot of aftermarket BBKs like Wilwoods that come with shims to help center the caliper on the rotor for different applications you can use shims (in this case stainless steel washers) to shim between the caliper and the upright. That moves the caliper inboard so you can use a taller hat rotor. You can actually get caliper shims(washers) at most speed shops. http://www.summitracing.com/int/search/part-type/brake-caliper-shims I even have my MLs slightly shimmed but that is just to perfectly center on the rotor.

one thing to note is the taller the hat the more you may have to grind off the upright for clearance of the rotor. I took a significant amount off my aluminum uprights but now I would be able to put a rotor with a 10mm taller hat.

[zillarob]

[:D] Ninjas?

Missed the part about the shims on the first glance.

[ajax1976]

Take a look at this graphic from my earlier post. It all depends on the rotor. I had much more clearance on the GL550 rotors than with my current AMG ml55 rotors. GL were 4 mm further inboard that MLs. That translated to about 7 mm more of wheel spoke clearance. Next rotors i will look for a taller hat again. I used high quality large stainless steel washers as shims to move caliper in with the rotor.

http://www.intocco.com/images/rotors.JPG

Sorry it's taken me a while to update this and thanks for the info. Going from your image I took a gamble and went for the S5 rotors, a shade bit lighter and was only really needing an extra mm clearance. Good news is they fit a treat, no need to open the centre bore, clear the uprights fine and the retaining screw hole even lines up. I used washers to space the caliper inwards making making sure I got the rotor centralised in the caliper and all seems good so fitted a thinner wheel spacer. The rotors are a bit thinner than the MLs so might have to carefull when the pads get to the end of the their life as the pistons might extend out to far. Not sure of the specs of the caliper/pistons so this may or may not be an issue but thought I should make others aware just in case. For me personally it won't be, don't do that many miles and always messing about with the car so can keep an eye on it.

Rotors look just crap in the pictures as I've not quite worn the black protective coating off them yet.

Thanks again for the replies and advice.

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[s4silver1]

Can someone confirm that these are the correct brake lines for the 17z's? This part number was posted earlier but I can't find confirmation anywhere. Too many pages in this thread.

http://www.amazon.com/StopTech-950-33006-Brake-Stainless-Steel/dp/B0049Y9CRK/ref=au_as_r?ie=UTF8&Make=Audi%7C73&Model=RS4%7C2863&Year=2007%7C2007&n=15684181&newVehicle=1&s=automotive&vehicleId=6&vehicleType=automotive

[LINDW4LL]

Can someone confirm that these are the correct brake lines for the 17z's? This part number was posted earlier but I can't find confirmation anywhere. Too many pages in this thread.


YGPM. Those will work fine but I'd personally go with the RS4 ones that use the 90 degree. Really doesn't matter.

[Renga]

My Rotors are wearing thin..
Anyone no where to find rotors 352X32mm that fit´s ECS Tuning Stage 4 S4 BBK bell house?
Any recommendation on other rotors to buy? JHM 350X32mm?

[bobkatkat]

http://www.girodisc.com/Girodisc-Front-2-piece-rotors-for-Audi-B5-S4-with-Brembo-18Z-6-Piston-Caliper_p_6589.html
My Rotors are wearing thin..
Anyone no where to find rotors 352X32mm that fit´s ECS Tuning Stage 4 S4 BBK bell house?
Any recommendation on other rotors to buy? JHM 350X32mm?


Girodisc

http://www.girodisc.com/Girodisc-Front-2-piece-rotors-for-Audi-B5-S4-with-Brembo-18Z-6-Piston-Caliper_p_6589.html

[Renga]

Can get this in Europe, will it fit?

http://www.compbrake.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/CMB0465-BRAKE-DISCS-350MM-X-32MM-12-BOLT-60MM-PAD-8PCD-200x200.jpg

•350mm Diameter
•32mm Thick
•12 Bolts
•60mm Pad
•8 PCD
•Bolt Centre: 203.2mm (8″)
•11lbs


Anyone have measurement from ECS Bellhouse?
And the PCD of the Bolt holes ... eye of the bolt hole straight across?

[ChicagosPhantom]

Bringing this to life...K...
I was in a process of rebuilding 18Z calipers that were sand blasted first.
Now problem that occurred is that the last one,the biggest piston is in two pieces.When I tried to remove it top portion separated,like a hat,from main part the piston itself...is this normal?
I'll include few pics so you know what I'm talking about.Any input would be appreciated.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/16/900517f08cc3e15336a803c9b059bc15.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/16/01ded99ee2f935316ead24546b05976f.jpg
Really didn't try to get other side off to compare,because I didn't want to risk getting dust boots teared as I didn't have extra ones.But I do belive I would notice that others are the same as this one.Literally this one almost doesn't take any effort to get it separated...
Sorry abut my english,it's my second language,I'm doing my best to explain.
Thanks in advance.

[LINDW4LL]

Bringing this to life...K...
I was in a process of rebuilding 18Z calipers that were sand blasted first.
Now problem that occurred is that the last one,the biggest piston is in two pieces.When I tried to remove it top portion separated,like a hat,from main part the piston itself...is this normal?
I've never seen that happen first hand, but I know they are phenolic pistons- the top is a different material which is supposed to prevent heat transfer to the brake fluid. If you Google you can find instances of them coming apart.

A resin is used to hold the phenolic portion to the aluminum body I believe. Not sure if you can repair that yourself or not, or if it would be wise to do so.

Which piston is it that came apart? 18Z are 30 / 34 / 38. Centric stocks some replacements at cheap prices depending on what size it is.

[ChicagosPhantom]

This one is 38,was funny when I saw last one in two pieces,I was like what a hack,for real,this just happened?!

Totally two different materials,I'm thinking that top portion is coated with ceramic or something.I'm also worried to glue this back on or alter it in any kind a way.Really don't want to see brake fluid poring out of caliper after install and test drive and me braking only with handbrake...

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[Pletsch]

So I bolted up my caliper last night and the outboard posts inside the caliper that hold the brake pads are hitting up against the rotor. What can I do to fix this.

[2000s4_m]

So I bolted up my caliper last night and the outboard posts inside the caliper that hold the brake pads are hitting up against the rotor. What can I do to fix this.

Might want to get some pics to explain the problem and details of caliper/rotor setup to bring more interest to your issue


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[Austonwerner4]

So I bolted up my caliper last night and the outboard posts inside the caliper that hold the brake pads are hitting up against the rotor. What can I do to fix this.

Are you sure you have the right rotors?

Is your rotor sitting flush? Did you bore out your center hole?

[redline380]

Yes, we need to know which rotors you got.

However, mine didn't line up at first either. Between grinding the calipers mounts down and cutting done those posts, I almost got it to work. Then I realized I forgot to grind down the upright to fit my s60r rotors. Do the grinding of the upright first!!!!

[bobkatkat]

All of the different OEM derived rotor options have different hat heights so there will be some adjustment needed to get the caliper centered on the rotor. I prefer to use caliper shims ( stainless washers) to properly center. If you read back through this thread and all the other 17z and 18z threads it is discussed a lot.

edit: Oh and yes get the rotor mounted first to make sure that you have clearanced the upright for your particular rotor. Once again some taller hats need more grinding on the upright. I did at one time run Merc GL rotors and they were a full half inch in further than ML or Volvo rotors. It was great for Wheel clearance but took a lot of grinding of my aluminum uprights.

[Pletsch]

They are the v70r rotors. I bored out the lug holes and ground down the two places on the uprights.

[marka4]

Hello im looking for some deals with the front brake pads for ml55 rotors, can anyone help? im doing the 300 rears on my b5 a4 with swapped b6 uprights.

Also after the rear pads if any 1 can do both?
Thank you

[protocol_droid]

Does anyone know of a good place where I can send my 18z's in for a rebuild plus powdercoating?

[Bordom]

Does anyone know of a good place where I can send my 18z's in for a rebuild plus powdercoating?
There's a place in Toronto that does brembo caliper rebuilds and custom powder coating + custom decals. The name escapes me at the moment

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[marka4]

Hello everyone. I have got my front rotors from repco car part dealer.thay were for the ml55 amg I opened them up and realize that the vents in the lhs are going one way and the rhs is going the opposite. 1st what way should thay be going forward to grab the air or backwards. surly its rong hay? Thay are saying there is no other listing in book but what do you think. There is no l and r on the boxes or rotors

[2000s4_m]

Hello everyone. I have got my front rotors from repco car part dealer.thay were for the ml55 amg I opened them up and realize that the vents in the lhs are going one way and the rhs is going the opposite. 1st what way should thay be going forward to grab the air or backwards. surly its rong hay? Thay are saying there is no other listing in book but what do you think. There is no l and r on the boxes or rotors

Rotors are designed to grab air from the center and expell it through the top or outer diameter


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[Sumo337]

I'm running

Front S4 B5 rotor with Porsche 928 GTS caliper.
Rear B6/B7 300x22 rotor with B5 caliper.

[zillarob]

Rotors are designed to grab air from the center and expell it through the top or outer diameter


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Somebody needs to tell MB that!
The ml55 and c230 rotors have vanes that go the same direction, why they didnt just make them straight is beyond me [facepalm]

[mauromj]

Somebody needs to tell MB that!
The ml55 and c230 rotors have vanes that go the same direction, why they didnt just make them straight is beyond me [facepalm]

Right!? I got my c230 sport rotors and they are both right side rotors. [headbang]

[Bordom]

Mercedes sport rotors are all typically one sided. They don't make two different sides

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[zillarob]

V70 rotors are the same on both sides also, but Volvo was smart enough to use straight vanes so it doesnt matter [evilsmile]

[marka4]

Ok so I'll take them back as there is 2x lfs rotors with directional vains only 1 side will work thats just dum. Ill look for straight vain ones Adam's rotors should be of help but sucks as I'd have to post them to nz

[malathion]

Was able to pickup a pair of silver 18z locally for $250 which is just what i was looking for as I'm not into colored calipers personally, just ordered the rest of my parts to finish the kit.

Will be gong on my B7 A4 Avant and I'm fairly sure I got it all figured out, open up the center bore 1mm on ML55 rotors, shave a bit off the knuckle with angle grinder.

Swap the bleeder and crossover tubes to the opposite side, on the same caliper.

I also read about people using the Left caliper on the Right wheel and vise versa ? That's not necessary if I swap the bleeder and crossover tubes, right ?

Am I missing anything ? How can you tell if a caliper needs to be rebuilt or not ?

[zillarob]

The pistons dictate which side they go on, which side they go on dictates the orientation of the bleeders/xover.

[malathion]

It should be smallest to largest piston, right ?

[zillarob]

Yup. Smallest on the bottom, bleeders on the top.

[malathion]

Awesome, thank for the clarification [up]

[marka4]

Yep thanks for that. This has alot of pages to read to find out 1 wee bit of info. Sweeeet im still wating for all my bits to come from Canada so then I can bolt it up. Ill keep the ml rotors then for now but saving for gyro later I think

[malathion]

Just picked these up.

Anyone ever try the Cayanne Turbo S calipers ? I just compared them to the standard Cayenne 18z calipers and the overall dimensions look the same besides the length being about an inch longer and the pistons are larger as well. Mounting holes are the same, pads are larger. Rear calipers are also different than standard Cayenne calipers.

Looks like you would need to run 19" or 20" wheels to clear them.

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[LINDW4LL]

Haven't run them but I've considered it. They are meant to accept a 368mm rotor. You could also add spacers between the bracket/carrier and caliper which would enable you to run a larger rotor. I highly suspect you will need 19" wheels to clear. 370mm TTRS fit with some 18" wheels but the caliper is smaller.

Possible rotor options from Audi would be the 365mm RS5/R8 rotors or 370mm TTRS, but I've got no clue on the offsets.

Otherwise you can likely find an AMG rotor that fits the bill.


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[Bordom]

Are those not the 19z calipers?

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[LINDW4LL]

Are those not the 19z calipers?

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No, 19Z are different and take a 380mm disc.

They look quite a bit different visually.

19Z
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/23/bb4ebafeb19ac427d54ae86ceaab5350.jpg


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[malathion]

Ya these are the exact ones https://www.ecstuning.com/Search/SiteSearch/Porsche_Turbo_Caliper/ES260874/

[malathion]

So just about done with the first side of my 18z swap and noticed that there is a lot of play with the pads and pad keeper, is this normal ? I'm assuming once the system is fully bled and the pistons are applying pressure on the pads that this shouldn't be an issue ? Or am I missing something here..


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[zillarob]

Naw, that aint right.
Maybe give the springy thing some love so it holds them tighter?

[malathion]

Oh almost forgot this.. The keeper screw doesn't line up at all with the AMG ML55 rotors ? Is this safe to run without it ?

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[zillarob]

That screw is so it doesnt fall on somebodies toes on the assembly line.
Once you get the lugs tight, shit aint goin nowhere.

[jaychen]

Lightly sand and clean that hub and put a SHIT load of anti-seize on the back of it.

[malathion]

Naw, that aint right.
Maybe give the springy thing some love so it holds them tighter?

I'll try that out in the morning, bend it toward the pads a bit so there is some tension on them.


Lightly sand and clean that hub and put a SHIT load of anti-seize on the back of it.

Will do, thanks for the advice!

[zillarob]

That thing is just an anti-rattle contraption (well, yours isnt [evilsmile]) and not really a big deal.

We never ran them at the track. They would rattle in the paddock, but no probs otherwise.
You might get away with just bending the little arms over the pads flat again.

These guys look like they sell them if you want a refresher kit.
http://audibbkparts.bigcartel.com/product/brembo-17z-18z-caliper-hardware-kit

[malathion]

Thanks for the link, if I can't bend them back far enough to keep them from working as intended (anti-rattle) then I'll pickup that new refresher parts kit [up]

[Tiluleshpingen]

and necro-threading continues...[:D]. So i am in the process of putting together 350mm(345 C32 rotors) I started reading the thread but i am still on page 14 .. i am posting this just as a heads up to when i am done.
AS it stands of now you all still use C32 AMG rotors 345mm. You enlarge the center bore 1mm. enlarge the lug holes to s4 specification , use 17z porsche cayenne calipers. And switch the bleeder and the hardline location? I am also planning to use the JHM bolts for these. IS that still an option?
And yes i have only recently come back to the forum so i dont know where all the Diy are!

[Bordom]

17z cannot fit 345mm. 332mm at the most.

For 17z you want C230 Sport rotors (bore out the hub center 1mm) OR
Volvo V70R rotors (enlarge lug holes, and grind down the spindle at the top and bottom.

345 rotors are for the 18z. Most people use the ML55 AMG rotors for that

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[Tiluleshpingen]

17z cannot fit 345mm. 332mm at the most.

For 17z you want C230 Sport rotors (bore out the hub center 1mm) OR
Volvo V70R rotors (enlarge lug holes, and grind down the spindle at the top and bottom.

345 rotors are for the 18z. Most people use the ML55 AMG rotors for that

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AHh ok i though i saw somewhere in the thread that it was 17z.. glad that cleared up. And when using 18z calipers the spindles are not touched, just use the JHM bolts?
So next . The C32 rotors they are not used any more or the ml55 amg are a better choice?

[Bordom]

AHh ok i though i saw somewhere in the thread that it was 17z.. glad that cleared up. And when using 18z calipers the spindles are not touched, just use the JHM bolts?
So next . The C32 rotors they are not used any more or the ml55 amg are a better choice?
Not sure for 18z.

You can by the hardware from Eurobraking or JHM.

I would use the ML55 AMG rotors. Not sure on what the C32 is.

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[Tiluleshpingen]

in addition what year ML55 amg or it doesn't matter, also they would require the same type of machinist as the C32 amg?
c32 amg uses 345mmx30mm

[LINDW4LL]

in addition what year ML55 amg or it doesn't matter, also they would require the same type of machinist as the C32 amg?
c32 amg uses 345mmx30mm
ML55 is '00-03. They do require opening the center bore by 1mm.

[Tiluleshpingen]

i know ma bringing this back up.. but just finished reading the whole thread and now i understand what needs to be done. some of my earlier questions sounded so noobish,, but w.e
Also.. anyone know if the 18z with ml55 rotors will clear with B5 rs4 reps wheels?

[Bordom]

i know ma bringing this back up.. but just finished reading the whole thread and now i understand what needs to be done. some of my earlier questions sounded so noobish,, but w.e
Also.. anyone know if the 18z with ml55 rotors will clear with B5 rs4 reps wheels?
You will need spacers. 5mm at least

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[Tiluleshpingen]

You will need spacers. 5mm at least

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darnt itt.. lol.. if i get spacers would i need longer wheel lugs?
Also i been hearing Vmr710 clear these brakes with an offset of 35. Dont the b5 rs4 reps have an offset of 45?
edit offset 35 for vmr 710

[Timtheguru]

darnt itt.. lol.. if i get spacers would i need longer wheel lugs?
Also i been hearing Vmr710 clear these brakes with an offset of 45. Dont the b4 rs4 reps have an offset of 45?

VMR710 18" should fit 18z no problem, I went 17z so that I can use my stockers if I need to (no spacers).

[chain_slappins4]

I have 18z with ml55 rotors, and my B8 S5 peelers do not clear without spacers. .. 5mm to be exact.. and my wheels are 19x8.5 ET 32...

[jaychen]

VMR710 18" should fit 18z no problem, I went 17z so that I can use my stockers if I need to (no spacers).
Stock avus did not fit over my 17z setup. Needed a 5mm spacer.

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[Ephry73]

Stock avus did not fit over my 17z setup. Needed a 5mm spacer.

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Just FYI my 1LE four pod setup barely clears my 17" stockers. The rs4 reps I purchased with 35et don't even clear. Have to use the stock 17 inchers without spacers until I find wheels that fit properly. The 5mm spacers I have will be used but waiting on proper lug bolts
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